Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Creature]

Oh nvm

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.21

Almost50 (1):

FrankJaeger

HeWhoSwims (0):

the worst (2):

Gamma Emerald, Creature

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

ceejayvinoya (1):

the worst

Enigma (0):

FrankJaeger (5):

Enigma, skitter30, ruru, Almost50, Vex Vience

(L-2)

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (1):

HeWhoSwims

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, BuJaber

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline paused until FrankJaeger is replaced

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- skitter30 also V/LA Sunday night - Tuesday night (9/11)

[Vex Vience]

sorry for lurking
will be more active later today, just have a few last minute school-things i had to do yesterday + this morning
will reply later today when ive actually gotten my schoolwork done and have a minute to sit down and reply

[Vex Vience]

ok, got a few minutes now

i mean, for d1, what better information do we really have to work off of apart from hanging the scummiest one?
i agree, hanging the scummiest one each day isnt very optimal, but we dont know if sky is traitor.
i think sky is certainly scum, im not sure if shes traitor, but it would make sense on this if she is

my major thing for wanting frank lynch over sky lynch is that if we hang sky (the presumed traitor), we still have two groupscum left alive.
if we hang frank (the presumed groupscum member), we have a presumed traitor, and a groupscum still alive.
id much rather lose a potential vig kill n1 to ensure we get a vig kill n2 versus having two groupscum alive, and getting no vig kill n1/2 if that makes sense

this is the post that made me not on board with the vig plan anymore btw

how so?

okay, I see what you mean about groupscum being a more valuable kill (I'm not sure yet if I agree) but even if that's the case we can lynch sky d2 and vig someone else

shooting someone you think is traitor is like 100% wrong.

this is one that feels off to me, not because of burnout, but just because it doesnt seem right
killing off groupscum is much better to do, because if they didnt recruit traitor, theres two disconnected mafia

Associative tells tend to get scum caught so even if you're right it's not obvious to me: maybe scum would perform better if they didn't know each other's alignments.

either way vigging a traitor is still completely, factually idiotic.

also, vig shot does have investigative utility:
player doesnt die: bp / traitor, meaning 100% of the time, they are scum
player does die: anything else

I'm a math major please just sheep me on this being the wrong way to think about the game

I will allcaps if I have to but I'd really rather not

i concede on the first point actually.
thought about it some more and that's my greatest flaw as scum: knowing

who

my partner is.
so yea, i think groupscum would preform amazingly better if they didn't know traitor
also, eli5 the second point? not sure i follow

quack

bark

@Creature mostly, Gamma slightly
sorry but with 48 hours to go I really am not gonna obvtown hard enough to get you all to settle down. all I can do is ask for a reevaluation d2.

I'm more or less fine with this game/list I'm just not warmed up and don't have that urgent energy yet.

lynch someone who's actually gonna flip red. or if I'm designated d1/n1 death lmk and I'll stop putting effort in.

...
this post is really bad, and i hope you know that
"if im gonna die, let me stop putting in effort"
please read my 646 then explain why saying you're not gonna put forth effort is bad

if I were a serial killer here I'd stab skitter most of the time unless I was already outed/leashed in which case I'd prolly go for cjv

why?

that A50 wagon has always been around but no one talked about it...

yea, im not really sure what to make of it

What do you think about BuJaber?

would have to re-read iso

However. some people don't like me SRing an inactive slot, so... *Shrug*

i just didn't like you sring the v/la slot
if someones not on v/la and they haven't showed up, yea, idm if you sr them because they should be around
if they're v/la though, yea, i do care because we kinda expect them to not be around

I think it's time for frank to claim

^^^ agree

Now this depends on the town assuming this,

but given how everyone's been playing, I have no faith in this town to not go apeshit.

wdym gamma?

VOTE: Frank

at work atm, will post later, also have essay due tonight
all ive written is “MacBeth was written by Shakespear”

(shakespeare has an 'e' at the end of it btw

for humorous mispellings of the name shakespeare, please see the 'thursday next' series of books by jasper fforde)

yea, i realized that after posting
oh well, doesnt really matter too much

Caught up:

Town reads:
Vex & skitter -I like their back and forth on setup spec vex in particular because this kind of effort about something so wifomy and unimportant (to the big picture) is usually not worth it for scum. Notice that it isn't posting

about

setup spec that I'm townreading, but it's all the extra research and actually using that to try and deduce some info.

Premature if you ask me because it's not like we can make any conclusions based on it but it got him townread I guess.

He also is kind of just committing to his scumread of A50 in a way that would be detrimental to him if he's scum and A50 flips town. Seems rather careless if coming from scum so unless they're literally buddies (wow that would be a hell of a performance by both) his play doesn't make sense from scum pov.
I don't like his read change on A50 though. I don't think someone who scumread A50's earlier posts would drop them to a null based on their later posts because there is imo little difference in tone and motivation behind his posts between the two readslists. But 647 that is some serious heart to heart. I think he gets it man. I think he gets it. I swear if vex ends up being scum this game he's just way too good at it. Like policy lynch just in case level of good. Quit the game because it's too easy level of good.

(just to reply to a few points in this)
bolded part, what do you mean by that?
also, im not scum. if i was, i would quit after this game for good because there's no way im doing any better than this, ever

@vex - maybe I misiniterpetted A50's posts.. where does he hardclaim mafia BP? I thought he was just hypothetically speaking from scum perspective to get his point across?

Because you took BP.

GOOD EXPLANATION! BP indeed is unaffected by all TPRs except the Tracker. Well done!

So, with the knowledge that I'm indeed the BP Mafioso

, how about you reread my ISO and find my teammates. I gave you a big head start and you should be thanking me for it.

@ruru/vex - I don't really understand the lynch or vig stuff. Care to explain it again? Which should be done to whom and why does it matter?

ruru started the vote for vig shot.
from what i understand, we're voting on who we should hang (obviously), but in the event of us having a vig, who they should shoot tonight

Ah vex = korina. Yeah korina as scum is not obvtown. He's not an easy lynch but he's not obvtown. Vex is being obvtown.

yea, scum!me is literally the furthest thing you can get from obvtown imo.
my scum-meta is so easy to spot, compared to my town-meta

What has been happening lately?

/shrug
people lurking ig
i was gonna post a link to the new york time's current event page, but, eh

I guess something along these lines:

{Creature, me}
{Vex}
{A50, skitter}
{Ruru, TW}
-----null line----
{Gamma, cjv}
{Enigma}
{HWS, Frank}

Lol who puts themselves in their own readlist

me

What do you think about BuJaber?

I had a SR on Antihero, and BiJ didn't post much to make me change my mind tbh

Yeah I think Bu prolly needs death
Can we CFD Bu?

to hang him or to get him to claim?
im personally more fine with a frank / frank replacement lynch rn rather than a buj lynch

Well when I didn't put creature in my townlist earlier he asked why. I didn't think it needed to be stated. I was wrong. Same thing.

Alsp vex put himself as a townread several times this game. Just you know maybe double check yourself that you aren't applying double standards.

this is true

As of now the scum team is probably Frank+CJV+HWS

A scumteam of lurkers? We can only hope.

id love it if it was that.
easy game

also:

@mod hws needs a prod

[the worst]

it was a hyperbolic AtEish request, I think you know I'm gonna keep spamming

at the same time if everyone's gonna be like OOoooooOOoOo scumducky and ignore any solving I do I'm not really sure what the value of me solving is rofl

Creature gets my alignment right ~most of the time, I can't remember off the top of my head if Gamma can read me or not, I don't think skitter has a great history of correctly townreading me but need to verify. you should be able to read me given our similar quirks I think.

there's like no utility in lynching me d1 when I'm not in sync and this list should be able to sort me d2 lmao

if I were a serial killer

here

I'd stab skitter most of the time

unless I was already outed/leashed in which case I'd prolly go for cjv

why?

answered herein
That'd more quickly enable me to play a lazy friendly sk game lmao

this is a tangent ;p

Vex both of your questions at me have already been answered in my ISO. that is a very quick easy check.

please no epic wall of bad questions, that's just noise

[Vex Vience]

i just missed those posts, sorry
i quickly skimmed thread, and probably missed a few other things

[ruru]

also, eli5 the second point? not sure i follow

Vigging can't generate an inno (if bp were a town role maybe it'd be a different story)

It's already committing to killing someone if they are town and a guilty on a player who everyone agreed should die isn't very useful

Vigging into bp is basically just losing a town-controlled kill; I don't really know how else to explain it

there's probably even a case to be made that for example vigging the third-scummiest could be better than vigging the second-scummiest (with the second-scummiest being tomorrow's lynch) to lower the chances of hitting bp but maybe that's more of a theoretical thing since reads aren't static like that

[Vex Vience]

ohhh ok, yea, that makes a lot more sense now
i get what you're getting at.
and yea, that actually does make sense thinking about it
ok, let me rethink some things then

[the worst]

it's also a soft guilty for what that's worth

[ofrhz]

HeWhoSwims has been prodded

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE COUNT 1.21

Almost50 (1):

FrankJaeger

HeWhoSwims (0):

the worst (2):

Gamma Emerald, Creature

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

ceejayvinoya (1):

the worst

Enigma (0):

FrankJaeger (5):

Enigma, skitter30, ruru, Almost50, Vex Vience

(L-2)

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (1):

HeWhoSwims

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, BuJaber

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline paused until FrankJaeger is replaced

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- skitter30 also V/LA Sunday night - Tuesday night (9/11)

I don't think wagoning someone getting replaced is good with our current plan, they're better as a vig imo

[Gamma Emerald]

ok, got a few minutes now

this is the post that made me not on board with the vig plan anymore btw

how so?

I disliked the level of assumption I perceived in the post and figured that everyone would follow the plan like lemmings

Now this depends on the town assuming this,

but given how everyone's been playing, I have no faith in this town to not go apeshit.

wdym gamma?

The way everyone assumed there was a vig made me think they'd continue making assumption, however someone presented a good counter so I'm fine with the plan now

What do you think about BuJaber?

I had a SR on Antihero, and BiJ didn't post much to make me change my mind tbh

Yeah I think Bu prolly needs death
Can we CFD Bu?

to hang him or to get him to claim?
im personally more fine with a frank / frank replacement lynch rn rather than a buj lynch

to hang, I don't like how in the background he is, his town meta is more active

[Almost50]

I don't think wagoning someone getting replaced is good with our current plan, they're better as a vig imo

I beg to differ. I get the feeling this lurking is due to being wagoned. I don't mind actually hammering someone who flaked after being wagoned. Otherwise, everytime someone gets wagoned they'd lurk or replace out.

This isn't the point though. The point is this post is scummy, and -if you're town- you should learn not to do this especially when you're not exactly globally TR'd.

What is the difference between lynching Frank and vigging him? Because we don't know if scum have a BP and/or a traitor and even if we did we don't know if Frank is/isn't either. The one and only difference is that the lynchee gets the chance to claim (actually FAKE claim in this particular event), while the vig target doesn't. So, you're asking us to NOT give Frank/his replacement a chance to claim? Or you want us to wagon someone else so that -if scum- they may fake claim? What if that "someone else" is a Town PR? We're still on D1 and everything is possible (albeit not too probable), so

what is the difference

between lynching Frank (even without a claim) and vigging him?

[Almost50]

Btw, I've just woke up and I shouldn't be exhausting my delicate mind still, but that suggestion is so weird to me I can't help but consider possibilities:

1- What if Frank is TOWN (I don't see it, but what IF) and Gamma is scum and is counting on there being no Vig to get an almost guaranteed mislynch on D2?

2- What if Frank is BP and Gamma is his P and is going to argue Frank is alive on D2 because there is no Vig, or is using him to out the Vig if existent?

I guess I can stop here for now. The point isn't arguing Frank's alignment. It's trying to figure out why Town!Gamma would come up with the suggestion as I don't see the benefit, so I'll just wait for him to show up and explain what he thought.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was thinking him getting replaced would likely lead to the replacement having to read, which would likely result in deadline lynching. So the only sensible options are lynch without replacement or vig, or leave him for d2

[Almost50]

the only sensible options are lynch without replacement or vig

You suggested the alternative plan and didn't mention the lynch w.o replacement. Furthermore, your vote isn't on him for the first plan to go through. I suggest we lynch anyway and call it a day.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I just realized I also seriously proposed leaving him as an option when I hit submit
I think that idea is good

[ofrhz]

ejjinami replaces FrankJaeger

Day 1 deadline will be 48 hours from this post. I will update this later with countdown tags once I’m not trying to discreetly phonepost from work

[Enigma]

Then who is the alternative for the day? CJ?? Because CJ is also due to be replaced.
That being said, I'm quite over D1 and am becoming somewhat apathetic to who is lynched today (still prefer frank) and rather just want to see a lynch before the deadline.

[Enigma]

pedit: hi ejj

[Gamma Emerald]

meh
VOTE: Frank
HURT: ceejay

[ruru]

UNVOTE:

[ruru]

if frank/tw are t/s maybe he lolhammers and we lose two claims

[BuJaber]

@vex - in the bolded I was saying that your setup spec was premature imo and might lead us to false assumptions by doing without having any additional info via claims/flips. The only thing we know now that we didn't know before the game started is that creature is IC and therefore scum didn't pick 0 powers, they picked at least 1.
In this game the setup spec might not hurt town so much, but it doesn't help town either because it's hypothetical and might encourage some people to jump to early conclusions that end up being false. But there was one good thing that came out of it which is that you became widely townread.

[BuJaber]

if frank/tw are t/s maybe he lolhammers and we lose two claims

Who's 'he'? And which claims? Frank's and cj's?