Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

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VOTE: creature

if he was town he would have posted by now.

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oh look its a sircakez

VOTE: sircakez

it's been a while since i've tried to policy lynch this

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i'm not actually trying to policy lynch this in case it was unclear.

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i'm showing him i mean fucking business or something

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i'm like obvtown

i would instalynch her if she said otherwise tbh

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have u considered you can't read me?

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VOTE: Gammagooey

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this policy lynch just became REAL

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lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

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i think ur all dumbutts

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um

idk

i just like calling people dumbutts

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i agree nos is town ftr

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VOTE: Skitter

Hi do something please

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ftr I still think gammagooey is an acceptable vote but my main goal is forcing all the people that I can read to do stuff that I can read so I can lock in a bunch of reads quickly

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me being L-3 right now isn't a good sign for this game.

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i won't have to die n1 if i get lynched d1

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not helping me policy lynch sircakez, that's for sure.

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Someone l1 me please

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i am not scum this game

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VOTE: NSG

here's a present for those of you who are also town

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that is the wrong question

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ok, what's the right question?

how many times have I misread NSG in any games in site history

the answer is 1, and until after said game I wasn't making a hard effort to get that read to 100%

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i'm really sketched out by skitter following me here, ngl

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it's a bunch of intangible things that are hard to describe in words

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Creature's town. I will never lynch him and I will death tunnel anyone who tries. I do not want him self-destructing this game so please do not start wagoning that player, even suggesting he's scummy is bad for this game.

i really want people to say this about me

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I'd kind of rather have this conversation outside of a game thread because I'm not exactly keen on telling NSG how I read her

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shoshin would it upset you if I said I was already scumreading you

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what if everyone was town so we didn't have to have people be scum?

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do you think I'd be a bad survivor player?

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also, strange. so am I just too good as town to scumread you?

I mean I was once banned for
1) having a discussion with a player on skype before a game
and
2) referencing said discussion

so i'm pretty sure that wouldn't go over well

i also think it is against the spirit of the rules ftr, as is like being in an ongoing game with someone and asking other people who are good at reading them how to read them

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like if someone was in a game with NSG or Titus and asked me for pointers on how to read them I'd consider that pretty outside the spirit of the game

Us actually being in the same game definitely doesn't make that any better, plus our conversation also either has 1) manipulation outside of game thread or 2) the ability to pseudo-red text facts

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Talking about them, yes. Talking about them to get help with an ongoing game, no. Idk there's definitely a line here somewhere and I'm not quite sure where it is and would prefer to stay on the safe side of it

Like I'm not in any games with wisdom so if we talked about how you read wisdom that'd definitely be fine

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but does that mean I wouldn't scumread you? Like your logic basically assumes that I know that you're town and would potentially be scum pushing on you but wouldn't because I wouldn't be able to, not that I couldn't be town misreading you.

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I don't make the rules. If you send the listmods a message and get their exact stance on it I will work with you within the bounds of what they allow.

[quote]I don't care if you misread me now as long as you correctly read me when it matters.[/quote

Aww. Ok. Let's pretend I townread you then, I feel bad now. I do think its pretty decently likely I'm only scumreading you because of the manner of your push on Skitter and I have info that suggests not that AI

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<absence of reasons that I should read you as town> is a reason to scumread you though.

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Not if I think that I know you well enough that I should be townreading you by X point in the game.

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Particularly given NSG is in this game and my read on her is precisely 'yeah she will do something that will hard vibe town for me and if she doesn't I powerlynch her'

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Porkens could be scums

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:squint:

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that gachapon vote has some strange juxtapositions

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listen lynching gamma is always a meme but only if it was done before page 10

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its not actually a meme for the record

but i would be happy to make it one because he voted me

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Porkens is a good scumread

i like it

i award you 20 RCbucks

that should be a currency

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creature is considered one of the top scum players in the world

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i'm gonna policy lynch ur ass craeture

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i haven't decided yet

presumably because I think you don't drink enough milk

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ok nevermind

who should we policy lynch instead as part of the chocolate milk brigade

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all of the above are good, not scumreading skitter though, not exactly sure she's town either in retrospect but definitely worth giving time to prove herself

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why is everyone townreading me

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Damn cakey that was a bad post

Daaamn cakey that is another bad post

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Did I say you were scum?

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Cakes is like the poster child of people who say absolutely absurd and scummy things as town and get hilariously mislynched

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I can also read him or at least could?

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Oh I mean the accuracy thing is irrelevant

No one would discredit my read on her in future games because scum me MLed her

But I would get lynched and for good reasons

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i would assume that there's a doctor to protect the fantasy gazpacho winner or w/e and that makes me want it so i don't get shot

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given that i reviewed the last TAZ I think I have a decent amount of knowledge about how the setup would be... set up

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Hey Varsoon, are you going to vote Shoshin for saying he should get Gacha votes?

'cus Shoshin doesn't strike me as scum, just gullible.

I think Gacha should be me, but if not me, then it should be Radiant. It should not be Kokichi, and it definitely shouldn't be Reck who isn't even reading the game.

Reck's reading--if you think he's not, you've been duped.

reckoner is not a good candidate for the gazpacha regardless of his alignment.

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If your approach to the game is RC wants something therefore it's bad then I'm prolly just gonna sheep Shoshin here.

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Given that my gacha vote isn't even down where do you get the conclusion that what I would want wrt it is bad?

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omfg me and kokichi did the thing where I didn't get a pedit this is great.

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idek lol

this iso is... uh...

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why do you have a hard townread on reck for anything they've done in this game.

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that reck townread feels really terrible and like an attempt to pocket someone that based on your past experiences with Reckoner in his prime would be a threat.

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I think that that's probably the least indicative stuff in his ISO versus the most indicative being the bullshit Reckoner read progression and the 'gullible' comment.

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Shoshin list your townreads for me please.

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i'm amused by the proceedings

@Shoshin I need you to talk about your townreads for me

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ur face is irksome sircakez

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mmm
ok
for me it's

{RC}
{Sircakez, Skitter, Creature, Shoshin}
{Gamma, Nosferatu}
-null line- {Irrelephant, Reckoner}
{Porkens, Kokichi, NSG}
{}
{Varsoon}

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kokichi is the big one I'm assuming I need to actually explain

I think there's a reasonably strong chance that him/varsoon is svs

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i will say I fucking loathe skitter's new method of speaking
I got a lot more out of old Skitter's wallposts

Meh, almost on the same page, except I don't see the Nos townread at all. Can you explain that to me?

I somewhat agree with NSG that it 'feels town how he did it' without agreeing that what he did was necessarily towny

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I do think gamma kind of deserves to be a tier above nosferatu

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it's also rly SPICY to note that of the people I'm not townreading 2 of them are people I should read super consistently

so certain people if they are TOWN

not naming any names

need to do things if they want to be townread and after that they can fuck off and lurk if that's what they want to do but obvsly happier if they stay around

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arguably kokichi should be in the tier below but meh

just want to stress how awful varsoon has been this game

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I am a much cooler person than other people so when in games with me can you wallpost because I find your wallposts a pleasure to read

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also its ridiculously stupid to gapacha, townread, or vote reckoner when he's about to be hit by a hurricane, please like let the dude no content until he's back

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i would scumread cakez if he didn't come in saying things that are (imo) pretty dumb

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i'm not, like, voting cakez

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I don't rly scumread that last post from porkens, definitely potentially scum but not like 'almost too easy' territory imo
i think it's kokichi/varsoon, not quite as sure on the third

we'll know if its NSG for sure soon enough but definitely veering into more likely to be scum territory

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if I'm wrong I'll figure it out
if I'm right it needed to be said.

If Varsoon is my partner no way in hell I let him bring a case on me that bad, I would actually help him construct one that can actually make some sense, and not one that everyone agrees (besides SirCakez????) is awful.

Sometimes you don't 'let' scumpartners do absolutely terrible things, sometimes they just do them, yeah?

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Shoshin, before you commit to that, can you do me a favour and actually read past Porkens games?

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Like don't get me wrong I totally buy Porkens being scum

I just don't think it's as lock as you think it is

I've seen Pork post like this as town. ftr. I don't think I've seen him as scum, though.

yeah basically

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if I were you and I got that case made on me I would point blank ask varsoon if he's intentionally gamethrowing

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So regarding Porkens its worth noting that Varsoon's first person he chose to interact with was Porkens and their communication could pretty easily be cheeky svs

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worth saying that my read on skitter isn't at 100% yet: still needs more time.

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You do realize that every time in this game I've called you awful it was in terms of you being scummy, correct?
I guess the gamethrowing if aligned comment could be seen as otherwise if you two are aligned but meh.

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I don't have any specific moral obligation to 'engage with your play' when engage with your play is here defined as doing things that don't involve trying to get you lynched as cleanly as possible.

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I know what you're trying to do trying to portray yourself as the reasonable dude versus us being horrible assholes and not engaging with your play but you just obvscummed and are getting lynched for it.

I'm reading your posts, I just have nothing to say back to them because they're all scummy.

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We have played a single game together where I was scum and he was town and he locktowned me.

I would Lynch him outright for his play thus far.

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I think it's not impossible that reck/varsoon is just SvS

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Regarding NSG: no I do not want an NSG lynch right this minute.

I have expressed my concerns, she will get lynched later in the day if she is scum. If she's town I don't want to pressure her to be here if she has better things to do.

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I'm talking about reckoner, not you.

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I also don't know what I've done to you, but okay.

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Also varsoon jump over to me was incredibly opportunistic

He calls me town and tries to pocket me, when it doesn't work he comes up with this 'oh I can't townread RC when he's doing x' rationale, then randomly decides to 180 on me while contradicting himself in terms of me going from most active to having done less than kokichi to get himself on a wagon with momentum.

I want to call reckoner scum but this is no worse than I'd expect from town him.

Getting rather tired of games like this

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The amount of votes on me

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Also hey my once infallible memory is kicking in

I incorrectly tunneled him in this game many years ago and his reaction was ridiculously, ridiculously different than here. Varsoon in general knows the way I play, this isn't something he'd scumread me for, and there's a lot of scum motivation for 180ing here.

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All that said I'm just eh about everything right now

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Varsoon there's two ways this can go from here

1) you fuck off and go vote someone else. I do the same. If we're both town this helps everyone

Or

2) I lynch you. You cannot prevent this. If you're town, reck double vote plus scum votes probably kill me tomorrow.

I said what I did regarding Reck because it was better than saying the truth because I don't want to make this game toxic.

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Idrc what you think is an accurate representation.

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replace me

Don't join games with me reckoner.

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Nosferatu as well iff you're town.

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???

There's a double voter openly trying to PL me, Nosferatu has sat there calling me scum from the start of the game, and Varsoon is tunneling me in a fit of narcissistic injury. This game has stoppped being fun for me

If you want me to want to stay in these situations then you should be calling those people out given your claimed 98% certainty that I am town but you've just sat by and let it happen

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I know nsg is scum but i also feel really bad because she was getting away with 0 posting while i wasn't present so i'm gonna lynch her last

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Gammagooey, have you ever had a player who you knew well enough that you could read like any 1-2 of their posts and without actually thinking about anything, automatically know their alignment?

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Shoshin
Creature
RC
Skitter
Sircakez
Nosferatu

all strong townreads

that leaves

Reckoner
Varsoon
Irrel
Gamma
Porkens
Kokichi

and NSG is scum

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she's scum but I don't feel like lynching her right now

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I was gonna like pretend to scumread you or something to keep you alive but I don't think that's a play suitable to this gamestate in hindsight.

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VOTE: Irrelephant
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
VOTE: Gammagooey

i believe this is all 3 scum.

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I was gonna crumb it by saying that I knew you were scum just like our first game (the one where you were doc) but I'd rather just put my cards on the table now and try to mostly close the game out right now

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What's your readslist?

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I'm starting with Irrelephant, sorry. I'll get to it.

Like your only read on me was I was scum with varsoon so?

I kept following the game after I took a break from it.

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I think it is.

I think you'll agree with my case, which is fairly extensive and I'm writing it out now.

Ordinarily I would be telling myself that I need to trust you more but I also think that those people are people that you are systematically likely to be wrong on: do you agree with me that that's the case?

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Ok so

If you think Shoshin is gullible who's tricking her?
Who do you think duped her into thinking Reck isn't reading?

What causes your townread of Reck to be so strong? (sorry if I've missed the answer to this somewhere)

What were you saying about Shoshin in 303?

What made you feel the need to apologize for tone?

It's weird that you're voting me and simultaneously all "Oh, this is where I would see scum jumping on this wagon."

Is it weird? I don't know your alignment, so I have to keep both things in my head. Why is it weird?

Also, damn, apologies for being the first person to drop an ACTUAL CASE on a player this game, it blows my mind that so many people think it's bad but don't spend any fucking time detailing why.

I can see why this would be frustrating you. Does this say something about the alignment of the players scumreading you? Or does it maybe suggest you're just wrong about Kokichi? Or is there any other conclusion you can draw from this frustration?

oh
sure

ummmm but why did you use up your double vote power so early?

What's your read on RC currently?
Also @Reck how good are you at reading RC in general?

yeah, huh. I'll wait for a Porkens explanation before voting there

It's not really a tangible thing that I can put a lot of words to but it just -feels- to me like these questions are meaningless and not going anywhere.
It is worth noting that he never did anything with any of the answers and that backs that up but I just feel like he was scum asking questions for the sake of looking town, not town hunting.
Like these are questions that look very interesting but like I don't think this is actually how Irrelephant scumhunting works if that makes sense.
He talks a lot but he doesn't actually do much in terms of pushing anything or having any spicy reads.

The porkens thing just feels rly rly informed to me. What it feels like to me is that he knows that Porkens is town and doesn't want to seem too eager jumping there, I feel like he should have had more of a reaction to it. Just content to sit and wait for an explanation and not really follow up on it doesn't feel like town who was worried about it.

I think Varsoon was also dead on the money when he said that Irrelephant was playing both sides. (his wording was that he was saying this is where scum jump on while voting)

nsg: sheeping RC's scumlean for now

Prettyy much ready to locktown Shoshin & RC (and by extension probably creature, I guess?)
At least till D2.

So the only way Shoshin is scum is if it's with RC I think but for now neither of them is scum so yeah Shoshin should get gachapon votes

You get really strong reads from small things and while it's impressive it's not 100% accurate and I'd just like to note that here so I remember to measure Varsoon against my own gut/logic and not just your thoughts.
At the same time, I have come to a pretty similar conclusion on his slot so far so this is fine.

VOTE: Varsoon for a variety of pretty good reasons that have already been said, even though the skill of this playerlist makes me feel like this is too obvious. Not sure where else to turn rn, though, so.

Are you talking about me or Reck here
I have a lot of negative feelings about you as a player rn so my short answer for your slot is "let Shoshin figure it out, re-evaluate d2"
Independently I'm slightly scumreading you so far but I can't tell how much of that is my feelings so like I said

Overall this is just a lot of hedging but there's a lot more to this.

1) Irrelephant is well aware that I'm like absolutely fucking god tier at reading NSG. Insta gamesolve level. Yet the best he's willing to do is sheep my scumlean for now?
2) Until D2? Does he trust the reads or not? Why isn't he committing to anything?
3) Again, refuses to commit to anything, creates a world where we can both be scum but sure Shoshin gets votes.
4) This just vibes to me as scum talking to town about an incorrect scumread that that town has, and I'm not sure I can make anyone else see that, but it's very hedgy.
5) Even when he votes he hedges as fuck and acts like he believes its flipping scum without trying to sort beyond that, just shrugs at it.
6) CAN SHOSHIN READ ME OR NOT? If you're independently scumreading me then are you going to do something about it?

Btw NOSFERATU does a similar thing about my NSG read which was one of the draws of the approach I took.

Also

kokichi makes a fair point that "it was for townread" and "it was for discussion", while not directly contradictory, do seem to both be fighting for space in your mind, like you can't decide which it is. not sure I scumread it, but I do scumread you refusing to explain a townread. Unless it gives scum setup info it's always good to explain a townread. It's often even good to explain a nullread, for that matter

Scumreading Varsoon because of stuff that he argues based on it being good or bad, not scummy or not scummy.

I also feel like he has at least potentially SvS interactions with both my other scumreads, Kokichi maybe slightly less so but Gamma I strongly believe is scum with him.
The Nosferatu/Gamma 1/2 scum is a common thing for scum to do with their scum partners, he also overexplains kokichi quite a bit
He then calls Gamma a townlean but his lightest townlean when next brought up, but he was 1/2 scum before

which people?

Reck / Porkens

I barely posted after you left. So why do you scumread me?

PoE, you were always on the shady side and now i have a lot more townreads.

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(I actually outright townread Porkens because of some interactions, BTW)

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VOTE: Irrelephant btw

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This is my current readslist as well.
Going to move on to making my Gammagooey case.

{RC, NSG}
{Shoshin, Creature, Nosferatu}
{Sircakez, Skitter}
{Porkens}
-null line- {Varsoon}
{Reckoner}
{Kokichi Oma}
{Gammagooey}
{Irrelephant}

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PoE, you were always on the shady side and now i have a lot more townreads.

If you really think I'm going to buy this then you have another thing coming.

You can buy whatever you want. You can lynch me and kill one competent player and your team is still fucked.

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"explain NSG"

you know full well that your choices are to call me scum or accept NSG as town.

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I'm accepting that my slot is going to be the lynch because of how much I'm going to call out scum over the next few posts and I won't feel too bad about it.

Maybe next time Reckoner decides to antagonize and policy vote me he'll remember that I wasn't the one who started shit with him this game and the fact that I tried so many fucking times to get Chesskid to rein in TM so that other people could enjoy it and eventually just stopped posting because it wasn't worth ruining the game for everyone.

Funnily enough everyone forgot how terrible Chesskid was in that game because he won. I would have easily won that game. Chesskid can post but he has the emotional outreach of a two year old, I was always going to be able to appeal to more people and in this society of the winner gets lauded, the loser gets blamed, everyone would have just hated Chesskid and blamed him for not being reach outy enough. And even at the time I was aware of that given how much shitty stuff that I've done in mafia has been brushed aside because of how consistently I win. So much of the shit that I am capable of getting away with regularly in terms of what 'playing to your win condition' means would not fly if I wasn't maintaining a super high winrate. And I gave up on that because Hinduragi and Cheekyteeky were hating the game, then suffered through Chesskid getting praised for calling the scumteam and winning it even though him making comments about raping me in another game got him permabanned from the site.

@Kokichi you were in the game where she made her second post and I called her lockscum. you know that you can take me at my word, you're asking for show.

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I have more cases to write, sorry for getting sidetracked.

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VOTE: xreckoner

i'm leaning towards nos as town so far.

20 pages, this ought to be interesting

i copy and pasted the only 2 posts that don't have any specific town!NSG equity in her ISO.

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This is gonna be a lot less detailed because it's mostly gut, but this read is only minimally less certain than the one that preceded it. It's just a lot more gut and a lot less easy to explain.

@koki & RC - why do you think NSG is likely scum here? Cause her reads and posts that she's made so far seem perfectly fine to me, the only real complaint I'd have about her is that she doesn't seem as aggressive about her reads as she was in the one town game I've seen her in but I think that makes sense given that game was a large and this is a mini that just started this week.

not personally I don't think, reck vs pie in face-to-face mafia is pretty magical though

if you're confident enough to basically declare "If I'm wrong about this I'm scum and you should lynch me" then I can mayyybe deal with it but otherwise I'd much rather see you actually try to explain it through whatever combination of gut feeling descriptions and playstyle quirks that you can.

That 'one complaint' thing is textbook scum talking about town that other town are pushing: set yourself up as townreading them but being 'open enough' to being persuaded to justify a transition if the case is good enough to get a lynch through. The second one is full on scum!Gamma hoping that I'm wrong and willing to all in on this and take a mislynch.

Also, I disagree with NSG that Nos feels town (what's "natural" about calling RC scummy and then doubling down with shitposting?), and I don't see where Gamma got the idea that Nos scumread RC for spamposting nor do I see how his logic makes any sense?

he's not scumreading RC for spamposting as far as I can tell

RC was spamposting early on (or at least had the most posts in the game at the time with content that I think was meaningless) and Nos trying to irritate that type of player early just seems dumb to do as scum.

This is a lazy TMI read on town: I've seen scum come up these kinds of reads a ridiculous amount.
Would it possibly be town? Yes- but tonally it feels scum even though I can't do much to substantiate that.

Not going to copy in quotes but I don't think that town!Gamma would be as invested in fighting the Creature townread, I think that it's fairly likely to come from Scum!Gamma who isn't happy about the number of mutual townreads flying around making the lynchpool extremely scarce.

Like his best post so far is #113 which is fine but not amazing and everything else feels between null and bad, and given the amount of people scumreading him to some extent it feels like we can make a real actual wagon happen even though nobody else is actually voting him right now.

The phrasing of this is just really scummy, I think a few other people touched base on it.

so varsoon having a weird-ass read on reck seems well within what he could do as either alignment and I feel like half of the last like 8 pages has just been people spiraling off of that into deeper and deeper quoteholes with him and whoever he's arguing with scumreading each other. varsoon had a pretty good point deep in there about RC playing dishonestly given RC's posts saying that varsoon was townreading him when he never did and this 'reasonable dude vs horrible assholes' thing

This is the holy grail thing that I think is basically scumfirming but fuck if I can explain it to anyone in a viable way.

I guess that's the best I can do here but there's a lot of stuff in this ISO that vibes scum and every mutual interaction with Irrelephant and I feel p confsies this is 2/3.

Kokichi is my best guess for the third.

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Which of my specific read placements do you disagree with

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Like I think I could totally be wrong on you
I don't think i'm wrong on the other two, you're just my best fit for #3

I don't think it's difficult to understand my reads generally

There's, like, Porkens is where I'm wrong and Irrelephant didn't follow up because he was giving his scumbuddy a chance and Gamma is bussing him or something?
There's also Reckoner is actually scum and being antagonistic because he's scum which would make me feel really good but meh

I kinda think it's not varsoon, maybe varsoon should go higher than he currently is on the readslist

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Mostly his interactions with people who are scum

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Regardless, you're still contesting people who are plausibly in the lynchpool

Is there any of my top 7 that you contest because agreeing on that top 7 means autowin

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Go away, please.

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Actually porkens is a decent candidate for third, idk why I put him so high.

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Is there a problem, Porkens?

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Rethought about

{RC, NSG}
{Shoshin, Creature, Nosferatu}
{Sircakez, Skitter}
{Varsoon}
-null line- {Reckoner}
{Kokichi Oma, Porkens}
{Gammagooey}
{Irrelephant}

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The major thing I was basing Porkens off of was oh gamma is voting there and vice versa so probably town right
then I remembered gamma bussed everyone on his scumteam in my game and that porkens iso is still pretty awful

so maybe that's just the third and this game is really easy and we can all go home and drink wine

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I wish I had someone to engage with me about this rn.

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Porkens will eat a lynch if he's scum

I don't trust gamma or Irrelephant to be lynched without me.

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Your problem here is thinking that you would threaten me at all as scum.

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You misunderstood.

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Porkens if you're serious about you we're just trolling and now you're gonna actually play the game then you should unvote me and actually play the game.

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I was survivor in kidney mafia

I tried to claim a guilty on the SK so don't say I didn't help town

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Shoshin do you have any interest in voting Irrelephant

Failing that, I think Reckoner is a strong option since he's never going to help town if he's actually town.

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My lynchpool is irrel gamma reckoner rn

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@Creature, Cakez, NSG, Nosferatu

Can we really not lynch Porkens?

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Thank you

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Ok Shoshin. Where can we agree?

Gamma? Reck?

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If u strongly feel that irrel is town my objections to varsoon vote are gone btw

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You can't say that yet but okay.
If you're like -sure- on varsoon I'll do that but I'd rather do reck or gamma.

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Am I gonna persuade you to reck/gamma or no

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I made a case. It's mostly gut but meh.

If you agree with my top 7 I'll sheep you anywhere in bottom 6.

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Rethought about

{RC, NSG}
{Shoshin, Creature, Nosferatu}
{Sircakez, Skitter}
{Varsoon}
-null line- {Reckoner}
{Kokichi Oma, Porkens}
{Gammagooey}
{Irrelephant}

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Rearranging that bottom order to try to accommodate Irrelephant town

Can you actually read him though?

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Idk that he sits on me as scum

If I see a flip in other people voting me suggesting it was actually the scum play to antagonize me I might reconsider

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I can't believe NSG is more town than me. That's absurd.

I can read NSG better than you

You said yourself I have never seen your scum game

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I think porkens can go either way but is a shit D1 lynch

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Is there a reason not Reck?

I think getting rid of him makes this game a lot easier regardless of alignment

You haven't seen what I have from him, town him with a double vote is a bigger threat to town wincon than I would be if I were scum, and he's openly not attempting to solve the game at all.

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Gamma is a-okay with me though.

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Also 568 strongly strongly vibes scum talking about town

I believe I said that.

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Ok. Gamma or do you want me to sheep on Varsoon

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Also there is a lot of genuine fear of how pro scum Reckoner can be and very little personal feeling towards him one way or the other, regardless of the fact you think I'm doing this out of hatred. At the very least I respect the fact that at one point he was a strong player.

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I can't read varsoon because his push on me is fucking gross and I tried to read him via associatives instead.

I can't give a useful read on him.

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The read I can give on him is that there are a lot of people I don't think are scum and a small pool of people that I think could be scum.

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I've come around on Kokichi town at some point
I believe you on irrel

Even if I put Nosferatu in, and I don't buy him as scum, that leaves

Reck
Gamma
Porkens
Varsoon

Maaaaaaybe skitter/nos if ur right on nos or skitter is doin an amazing job of playing up her paranoia.

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And when you're left with that pool it gives the distinct impression that the person fucking sitting on me all day is scum if the rest of the scumpool is also voting me periodically

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Gamma is highest scum equity though.

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I intend to answer that at some point but not right now.

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Ok then I think I'm seeing things you're not and am probably-ish right.

Gamma or Varsoon your call. I think Gamma higher scum equity.

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Gamma it is unless Shoshin insists on Varsoon and butters me up a lot..
VOTE: gammagooey

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the only game I've seen you play solo town you shat all over the game attempting to policy lynch obvtown NSG then hard townread an LLD who is far past her prime.

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Reck is scum though, this reaction makes me more and more sure

so

Reck
Gamma
?????

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would first guess porkens for third with that set of two and suspect that varsoon is just being bad town.

alright boys and girls, let's shit on gammagooey's parade.

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(presuming that shoshin is still reticent about destroying reckoner. I would actually vote reckoner first and foremost as of now.)

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actually

VOTE: Reckoner

i had forgotten that I had already talked about team mafia this game and more importantly

that I had posted in the aforementioned game in postgame to call out how bad his play was.

so that statement is literally a scumclaim, especially given that mutual interactions elsewhere made it fairly clear to me that there was little love lost between the pair of us.
going beyond that, the pool of potential scumfucks have literally all been trying to wagon me all game which heavily points to it being a strategy which indicts Reck

this is also just his scum play by meta, 0 reactivity, 0 force behind him, just a dull tone with few reads and the only thing he believes in being a policy lynch attempt on me.

he's done enough reading to have better thoughts than this, he just doesn't because he's scum and hiding behind his doublevoter townread lets him get away with that.
also: the doublevoter wouldn't have been nerfed if it was a town doublevoter. it's nerfed for the specific balance reason of allowing town to force him to burn it later in the game.

gammagooey is also scum and I can vote there but the porkens and varsoon wagons really need to go away.

Fantasy Gachapon Shoshin

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and just to call him out for being wrong, in TM he tried to negotiate him hiding behind chesskid because he was so sure I was town.
I didn't go for it because I wanted to lynch chesskid because fuck that guy until literally everyone was hating the game so much that I had to make that decision.

not that, again, I have a particular level of loathing for the guy given that I've seen him be useful in games a long time ago but it's an annoyingly consistent pattern for me with older players who used to be good coming into games with a high degree of confidence and absolutely fucking the game over because their reads are so bad and they are so insistent on them. it's not really a personal thing from my poitn of view, though I don't doubt that reckoner has at least some level of distaste towards me.

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compare him in this game to team mafia or the aforementioned large theme and they are night and day, and don't blame the hurricane because he's engaged with stuff, he's just chosen to engage in the worst possible way.

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last reread of the game has me more and more convinced varsoon is just a bad townie and reckoner is piggybacking on that
scum also seem to have intentionally wagoned me to antagonize me given all their votes were on me at one point.

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Remember what I just said about older players coming into newer games and being trash?
Kokichi and Shoshin are trying to solve the game with me while you flounder and get pissy at people for scumreading you for justifiable reasons.
You are the one who needs to play better, not them.

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The reason I can see that you're town and they can't is that I have lower expectations of you and I hope that that gets into your skull at some point.

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Like sorry: you would prefer if I come here and say fuck all you worthless trash you're sheeping me because I'm god?
I'm in a game with a fuckton of good players and I'm pretty sure we all rolled town, I don't need to play benevolent dictator here to win this game so I'm damn well not going to.

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no can do sorry bud. no hard feelings about you being scum here.

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(also I called him out for the complete lack of personality in his posting so he brings out the go fuck yourself and even says go fuck yourself to the least go fuck yourselfable thing I said regarding him)

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I tried to give you diplomatic immunity: you refused it and attempted to lynch me. when you're voting me you forfeit any right to me not voting you back.

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also its ridiculously stupid to gapacha, townread, or vote reckoner when he's about to be hit by a hurricane, please like let the dude no content until he's back

I gave you the option. you chose not to take it. you can't have your cake and eat it too of being able to push scum wincon and not have it pushed back against.

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You're very welcome to it.

If I said half of that I'd be banned but you bash autistic people and get away with it so I'll assume this will bounce right off you as well.

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Also his post is conflicting on my alignment, he's trying to spew his replace in town. Which I generally applaud but yes this guy is scum.

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Skitter, Reckoner came in this game threatening to policy Lynch me because of another game and replaced out because I had the audacity to call him out for it despite his RL situation. I have been extremely careful with how I have talked to him and it still wasn't good enough to avoid a fight. I don't think it's fair that you act like this is a 2 way problem when I didn't want any of it.

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This entire game all the exchanges with Reckoner made my heart sink but I have a win condition to play to and I won't compromise on that. To the best of my knowledge his slot is scum and the AtE and his role will make him very hard to Lynch later so it's a high priority to me to do it now.

You have to realize at some point Skitter that you systematically scumread me for my playstyle.

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I didn't even hold a grudge against him until this game happened...

Y

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I mean the issue isn't that he's not posting.
The issue is that his posts are horrible and scum motivated.

I know you and the way you are you will always see this as my fault so I won't try to convince you otherwise I guess.

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Like the only reason I brought up the hurricane was to say no it's not a not posting issue it's also that the posts themselves are scummy and.gross

And I went out of my way to be considerate earlier and he used it as an opportunity to mislynch me

If someone shot me skitter you'd say it was my fault for not wearing a bulletproof vest

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That says a lot about your ability to read how I'd approach this lobby.

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I don't agree and I don't trust you guys to Lynch him before endgame.

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Like we can lunch Gamma maybe?

But I want reck slot dead before the day before lylo.

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If you're not gonna agree to Lynch reckslot later that does nothing for me

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last few pages make me pretty transparently town

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stand by porkens/gammagooey/reckoner

reckoner replace out reminds me of several FA replace outs that I've seen, already said why they were scum
porkens voting habits have been absolutely awful and they randomly pleaded that they was gonna do better when they got wagoned then went back to doing exactly the same thing
I also have a second particular read regarding Porkens-Reck that I'll keep to myself for now
gamma is generally scummy, porkens-him reads kinda SvS, etc

the only one of the trio i'm worried about endgaming is reck so they're the major focus for me right now

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i also have a backup scumread on skitter.

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I feel like literally no one else should be scum at this time.
I guess I'm going to have to accept a compromise vote on Porkens or Gamma since I'm fairly sure reck's ate will outplay this lobby at least on D1 and hopefully his replacement is a bad scum player
i'm in too fragile a position to just go holy war on reck, I'll get lynched the moment I try.

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this might seem really unfair to skitter but the fact that she's pushed on all of my scumreads makes me think that she's a lot more likely to be scum bussing
I also haven't gotten any of those ~town vibes~ that I'm supposed to have from her by now.

but I"m not explicitly feeling her as scum either, so that's something?

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i'm pretty happy with

RC, sircakez, creature, nosferatu, shoshin, nsg, kokichi as town which is a gamesolve

i think that varsoon/irrelephant are more likely to be town but could be scum

and yeah the remaining 4 people I don't like

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starting to think porkens especially is just scum, this is getting pretty ridiculous

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reckoner is scum and you need to believe it when my slot flips town.

bye!

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I was in this game for a tiny fraction of it and scumread NSG for most of that fraction

The fact that you collectively decided to blame me for a game that I was barely in falling apart says a lot more about you than it does about me.

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I don't have to give final reads before a Lynch is about to go down.

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???

I literally had nothing to do with your lynch

My final scumpool was reck gamma porkens

Maybe if you helped prevent varsoon reck from putting me in a position where I needed NSGs help to survive I wouldn't have just assumed she was town