Scumleague FF 2018 (First Game 9/6)

Wraith · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:47 am

I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.

Rhinox · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:52 pm

In post 349, Rob14 wrote:Conner was good enough that I don't see Bell reporting before Week 10. He's not going to make significant ground in negotiations.

Kinda feel like its the other way around. If he's got nothing to gain by holding out he'll probably just report. Whereas if conner couldn't hack it he'd think eventually the steelers might cave. Idk just glad I was able to grab conner off waivers after having to miss the draft

ISO · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:35 pm

In post 350, Wraith wrote:I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.

And if I didn't have a toddler, maybe I would have been paying more attention and taken Conner first. Boo hoo. If we had a different roster, our teams would probably be totally different.

(Naturally, I have Bell in the Auction league, and once again am out a third of my budget. At least I didn't voodoo Rodgers yet again and he came back in the second half.)

BROseidon · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:53 am

Bell honestly needs to understand that he probably isn't worth as much as he thinks he is.

Wraith · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:43 am

In post 352, mith wrote:
In post 350, Wraith wrote:I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.
And if I didn't have a toddler, maybe I would have been paying more attention and taken Conner first. Boo hoo. If we had a different roster, our teams would probably be totally different.

(Naturally, I have Bell in the Auction league, and once again am out a third of my budget. At least I didn't voodoo Rodgers yet again and he came back in the second half.)

Missing someone on the waiver wire is nowhere near comparable to being mechanically unable to start what I long knew was my optimal lineup because we run an uncommon setup.

PJ. · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:13 pm

It's not your optimal line up if it doesn't fit in your roster.

ISO · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:21 pm

In post 354, Wraith wrote:
In post 352, mith wrote:
In post 350, Wraith wrote:I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.
And if I didn't have a toddler, maybe I would have been paying more attention and taken Conner first. Boo hoo. If we had a different roster, our teams would probably be totally different.

(Naturally, I have Bell in the Auction league, and once again am out a third of my budget. At least I didn't voodoo Rodgers yet again and he came back in the second half.)
Missing someone on the waiver wire is nowhere near comparable to being mechanically unable to start what I long knew was my optimal lineup because we run an uncommon setup.

It was your optimal lineup in a league with different settings from the league you are in. It was not your optimal lineup in this league. I mean, I would still have a problem with this argument if you hadn't added the "won this matchup hands-down" line, but come on, this is so whiny. Your third WR got 0 points in a 3WR league, and you left your highest scoring player on the bench. It happens.

(And to be clear, this is not me saying my team "deserved" to win or anything like that. It's Fantasy Football. By nature, it's hella random. It's just really weird to complain that you would have done better in a format we are not using, and did not draft for. There would have been different draft decisions in a different format, and if you drafted your team as if you were in a 2-2-1flex league, you made a huge mistake.)

PJ. · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:31 pm

1. Why'd you play Rishard Matthew you dip shit?
2. Why'd you not start Conner over Howard when all the news on that game was how shitty the weather was going to be?
3. WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE RISHARD MATTHEWS ON YOUR TEAM!?.
4. Line up didn't lose you the game, you did.

Wraith · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Oh that's a fucking cop-out argument. I'm literally saying the setup itself is stupid and arbitrarily constrains everyone's options. It forces people to start clearly inferior players simply because it fixes the extra player as a WR rather than wild.

PJ. · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:37 pm

I'd rather have PPR then a flex. Also I'd rather people actually play well and start good players instead of bitch about that they can't win because they don't have a flex(considering it was very easy to tell that Conner should of been in over Howard and you were starting a garbo 3rd wide out.).

ISO · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:12 pm

In post 358, Wraith wrote:Oh that's a fucking cop-out argument. I'm literally saying the setup itself is stupid and arbitrarily constrains everyone's options. It forces people to start clearly inferior players simply because it fixes the extra player as a WR rather than wild.

What you

were

literally saying was that you, personally, were handicapped and that you would have won the matchup hands-down if we had a different roster. That's like complaining that I'm not winning at poker because the table doesn't play with deuces wild.

Preferring the flex roster because you feel 3WR is an arbitrary restraint and less fun is a fine opinion. Other people in this league share that opinion, and we had a whole big discussion about it already in this thread. I happen to disagree, and this is the roster we have used for 15 years now, so at least it shouldn't be coming as a surprise to anyone. (Not that I am opposed to flex positions in general. The local league I ran for a while often had two, and the auction league here is 2-3-1. I don't like 2-2-1, though.)

Rob14 · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:56 pm

In post 351, Rhinox wrote:
In post 349, Rob14 wrote:Conner was good enough that I don't see Bell reporting before Week 10. He's not going to make significant ground in negotiations.
Kinda feel like its the other way around. If he's got nothing to gain by holding out he'll probably just report. Whereas if conner couldn't hack it he'd think eventually the steelers might cave. Idk just glad I was able to grab conner off waivers after having to miss the draft

He's maximizing value next year, not this year. He wants a long-term deal in Pittsburgh. Failing that, he wants to minimize his touches so he's fresh for his next team and can get more $$$.

Rob14 · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Wraith, if we had a different setup, we all would have drafted differently and you'd have a different team. If you have a team that doesn't match the setup, it's because you made a mistake. You constructed the team knowing the setup.

Rob14 · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Also, Agar, I'm one decent Amari Cooper game away from kicking your ass.

PJ. · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:16 pm

it's not even a draft issue. It's a "I lucked out on Waiver Wire to get a Hold-outs back up and it's not fair I don't get to play him AND Jordan Howard" issue.

And it's like...welp...maybe you shouldn't start RISHARD FUCKING MATTHEWS

Nero Cain · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:55 pm

Yahoo standard is 2 RB/2WR/flex. I could understand him doing the mocks and thinking that we ran the same configuration.

Nero Cain · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:00 pm

Who is all on Wraiths team?

I think PPR and Flex are just both ways to make scores bigger and doesn't really add any degree of difficulty.

BROseidon · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:30 pm

The point of PPR isn't to make it harder tho.

Rob14 · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:30 pm

In post 363, Rob14 wrote:Also, Agar, I'm one decent Amari Cooper game away from kicking your ass.

Or Cooper could just spend the whole game jacking off in the corner and not catch a damn thing.

pickemgenius · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:00 pm

In post 368, Rob14 wrote:
In post 363, Rob14 wrote:Also, Agar, I'm one decent Amari Cooper game away from kicking your ass.
Or Cooper could just spend the whole game jacking off in the corner and not catch a damn thing.

woo scared carr and scared playcalling.

feelsgoodman.

Nero Cain · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:43 pm

In post 367, BROseidon wrote:The point of PPR isn't to make it harder tho.

how does it make it harder?

BROseidon · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:13 am

In post 369, pickemgenius wrote:
In post 368, Rob14 wrote:
In post 363, Rob14 wrote:Also, Agar, I'm one decent Amari Cooper game away from kicking your ass.
Or Cooper could just spend the whole game jacking off in the corner and not catch a damn thing.

woo scared carr and scared playcalling.

feelsgoodman.

Cooper and Nelson play solid games and Carr is like "what if I never look downfield"

BROseidon · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:14 am

In post 370, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 367, BROseidon wrote:The point of PPR isn't to make it harder tho.
how does it make it harder?

This post is the most "missing the point" post I've ever seen. Literally:

Me: PPR isn't about making fantasy harder
You: Yeah but how does it make it harder???

BROseidon · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:14 am

Like the point of PPR is to make WRs feel less bad from a design perspective

Rob14 · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:37 am

And to provide more balance to RBs. Pass-catching RBs are suddenly fantasy-relevant.