A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[NicoRobin]

Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.

[NicoRobin]

Look at the video I made!

[NicoRobin]

Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.

Is your ability getting a big burning hole through your chest because if not it can be arranged

VOTE: NicoRobin

fwiw Katakuri was one of my picks but I didn't get him

Nah, nothing like that. My ability is to set a person on fire. I can do this twice per game. Also, I cannot use this ability before N2.

[NicoRobin]

Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.

Is your ability getting a big burning hole through your chest because if not it can be arranged

VOTE: NicoRobin

fwiw Katakuri was one of my picks but I didn't get him

this was public game knowledge without nicorobin telling us

Where does it say this?

Because I can't find it anywhere.

You are lying. Lying = scum

VOTE: Invisibility

[NicoRobin]

why clai everything now

memeing.

[NicoRobin]

I'm happy enough treating mastina as conftown at least for now unless someone can explain how that has utility as a scum role or fakeclaim outside of being townread for it and never using it

Happy doing the same. A healthy dose of paranoia never hurt anyone.

[NicoRobin]

@mastina Care to explain why you think I am scummy?

[NicoRobin]

There is no healthy dose of paranoia

There is when you are deceived multiple times by the people you trust.

[NicoRobin]

Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.

Why are you doing this now?

Memeing.

Here, have a cool song I found

[NicoRobin]

why clai everything now

memeing.

Are you being serious about the claim though?

Obviously not, since I am memeing. :c

[NicoRobin]

But it's not paranoia if there are people who are actually out to get you

Hence you need to be paranoid of everyone who is an unknown.

p-edit: you still haven't answered my question @mastina

[NicoRobin]

But it's not paranoia if there are people who are actually out to get you

Hence you need to be paranoid of everyone who is an unknown.

p-edit: you still haven't answered my question @mastina

That's not paranoia though

That's scepticism

Well, guess who is the ultimate target whom people want to get?

Ace.

[NicoRobin]

Spoiler: A quick guide to Ace

......

1. He's an orphan
2. Some people want to kill him, for some reason
3. He is a really hot dude.
4. He is like a combination of a porcupine and a puppy in terms of personality
5. He is the only man who is good enough to be with me.
[/spoiler]

[NicoRobin]

@mastina Answer my question or die. >.>

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

I'll remove it if you answer my questions when you come back, cos right now, this is feeling shifty.

[NicoRobin]

Okay

[NicoRobin]

i refuse to put anime gifs in my posts anyone with anime gifs in their post is lockscum

You do remember our first pick for marathon thingy? Yeah, he was from an anime - the same one both my handle and avatar come from, in fact.

You are surrounded by anime nerdz. There is no escape.

[NicoRobin]

As it turns out, did in fact have girlfriend time. (We marathoned through the majority of the Whitebeard War arc, starting a couple of episodes before Luffy and co. crashed into the scene, and ending on the episode where

Whitebeard dies

. If you're a OP buff, you can calculate the approximate starting episode and ending episode to figure out how much time that was. )

But am here now.

Did someone say 'Marineford'?

[NicoRobin]

Oh, boy, I can tell you stories about that. All the stories. Even if it broke my heart in two.

[NicoRobin]

Shoot: mastina

[NicoRobin]

I was refreshing the page like

How did you make that one?

I must have it......

[NicoRobin]

Those who agree that mastina is scummy, say 'aye'. If we have enough, we can lynch her.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, I've given someone plenty of chances to explain themselves, but no dice. It seems that mastina has something to hide, because that's the only explanation why she's not answering my questions. So lynch her.

[NicoRobin]

Furthermore, mastina, as I know her, would go ballistic on me for trying to lol-vig her. The fact she had done no such thing concerns me.

[NicoRobin]

Morning. Also, I noticed some people are scumreading mastina, so why is m push on her ignored? >.>

[NicoRobin]

Morning. Also, I noticed some people are scumreading mastina, so why is m push on her ignored? >.>

you need more upper body strength for a proper push.

Are you saying that she would ignore my vig on her as town, despite having history of doing just the opposite and going postal on lol!vigs?

[NicoRobin]

It clearly wasn't a real vig or she'd be dead thus she has no reason to be mad about getting vigged

Then you don't know this aspect of her well. She will get mad regardless of whether it's fake or not. And she can and will get mad because of lol!vig as she demonstrated twice. It concerns me that she doesn't want my throat.

[NicoRobin]

Why would she exclude you though?

That's precisely it. As town, she wouldn't exclude me.

[NicoRobin]

She already didn't get mad at Nero though


Pretty sure you're off the mark here

Then what's up with this?

viewtopic.php?t=71901

Or are you saying that what happened here wasn't real?

[NicoRobin]

>.>

[NicoRobin]

What Nero did in this game
Also nice the see you read games you flake out of

I never flaked out of that one. I was there till the end, and was endgamed. >.>

[NicoRobin]

do your research before attempting to discredit me. >.>

[NicoRobin]

Baby with power
Baby with power

[NicoRobin]

I am Cornholio. Would you like a spatula? For your bunghole?

Yes, please.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, so I research, and I found this
http://beavisandbutthead.wikia.com/wiki/Cornholio

Maybe this would help some of you?

[NicoRobin]

This is the story of tragedy and heartbreak. Of death that shook the world. Of a child forced to grow up too soon. Of a crybaby who will change everything.



Prepare your tissues.

[NicoRobin]

What Nero did in this game
Also nice the see you read games you flake out of

I never flaked out of that one. I was there till the end, and was endgamed. >.>

Well you lurked, so w/e

Since when does lurking = flaking out?

[NicoRobin]

What Nero did in this game
Also nice the see you read games you flake out of

I never flaked out of that one. I was there till the end, and was endgamed. >.>

Well you lurked, so w/e

Since when does lurking = flaking out?

irrelevant conversation. Come join me in lynching lurker scum.

How about you join me instead?

[NicoRobin]

How about you join me instead?

There's a little nudge in the back of my head that says Mastina could very well be scum. At the very least, she's done a poor job scumhunting. I think Lady is a pretty scummy active lurker that's not contributing to the thread. I'm also kinda bored and just want to kill ppl.

So what exactly is keeping you from joining me? *amused drawl*

[NicoRobin]

b/c there's a healthy wagon on a scummy/useless active lurker who needs to get sorted. What is keeping

YOU

from the Lady Angel wagon?

Also, you don't have the oomph to get a Mastina wagon + lynch.

Priority. Would you rather lynch an active lurker over someone who could lead you in circles if she puts her mind to it?

[NicoRobin]

scum is scum and active scum MIGHT end up leading us to her buddies. I agree that Mastina shoulda live to lylo though.

Well, from where I am standing, a bigger threat should be removed first, but hey, what do I know? :c

[NicoRobin]

Plenty, that's for sure.

[NicoRobin]

Everyone, listen to me, and vote mastina!

[NicoRobin]

I miss Ace.

[NicoRobin]

Why no lynch? It only helps scum control the game.

You could help me lynch my scumread while you're at it. I will reciprocate in the following day.

[NicoRobin]

I think it's obvious that those advocating for no lynch today - like the two above me - should be lynched today.

[NicoRobin]

It's the only move to make.

[NicoRobin]

Why no lynch? It only helps scum control the game.

stop with the blanket statements on how alignments play

you're gonna see town do something you saw on the "how to catch scum" wiki and be like BUT ITS WHAT SCUM DOES

do something better with your time like

explain why pushing a no lynch given the circumstances is scummy

Because most people in the games I've played so far said that no lynch is scummy because it denies town information?

[NicoRobin]

Because most people in the games I've played so far said that no lynch is scummy because it denies town information?

About to hit you with those Big Fax

Old Guard no lynch was a common thing discussed

wasn't viewed as scummy.

If your reads are sheeping the crowd mentality, you'll be easily manipulated fam.

What do you think Lady Angel's motive for no lynching is?

Remember, if you lynch town, that's closer to scum's wincoin of having half the town dead.

So why would Lady Angel, as scum, want to deny the chance to kill a townie and instead prolong the game?

To allow the scum to control the game?

Besides, if she lead a lynch on townie, it would be a death sentence for her as scum. It's easier for scum to organize a no lynch every day and then have free kills each night.

[NicoRobin]

Porkens or mastina.

[NicoRobin]

I told you all along to do it, and you didn't listen to me until now. :c

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

[NicoRobin]

Let me test something

VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens

[NicoRobin]

Can't.

[NicoRobin]

Then you should have chosen the first option. This is a punishment because you didn't. :c

[NicoRobin]

This goes for everyone else too.

[NicoRobin]

I can unvote, but I can't change my vote.

[NicoRobin]

And your reaction is too extreme for what was supposed to just be test vote. :c

[NicoRobin]

UNVOTE:

[NicoRobin]

I am giving you 24 hours to explain why you didn't follow the instructions, or I will re-vote.

[NicoRobin]

@Vecna, Honorable. Seems legit for now. Haven't slept well in about a week. Don't like being mislead but this feels more like the bulletproof vest kinda lie than the fake a guilty kind of lie.

@Nico/Porkens, Clue us in please. Nico are you claiming a guilty check?

No, I just find it scummy that he flipped so much over the second part of my ability.

[NicoRobin]

I am giving you 24 hours to explain why you didn't follow the instructions, or I will re-vote.

I don’t want to trust

Why?

[NicoRobin]

Fuckin OPTIONAL post restrictions

That actually makes sense


We don't know what your ability is, NicoRobin, so it's pretty nonsensical rn

Reading is tech, hmu

[NicoRobin]

Fuckin OPTIONAL post restrictions

That actually makes sense


We don't know what your ability is, NicoRobin, so it's pretty nonsensical rn

Reading is tech, hmu

I tried to read for it, but im also not getting any of this interaction. Some stuff went down during the night between the two of you I guess, but its completely unclear wtf is going on to any innocent bystander.

Really?

Let me test something

VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens

Do I need to spell it out for you?

[NicoRobin]

@Gamma Emerald
This is my role.

Let me test something

VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens

I swear that ya'' are missing the obvious on purpose just to annoy me......

[NicoRobin]

@Gamma Emerald
This is my role.

Let me test something

VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens
VOTE: Porkens

I swear that ya'll are missing the obvious on purpose just to annoy me......>.>

EBWOP

[NicoRobin]

Well, considering that I am a triple voter, plenty.

[NicoRobin]

No but I mean

You said you can only vote porkens now?

And you weren't on the porkens wagon yesterday.

I want to know what your own assessment on your impact on the game is rn

With triple vote, yeah, only them. With normal vote, anyone I'd like.

[NicoRobin]

How come you want to vote Porkens now though?

And is the triple vote some kind of delayed thing that causes issues for the target?

Well, originally it was only a test thing to see if it works. Then he freaked out over that for no reason, so yeah, I scumread him because of that.

[NicoRobin]

But porkens almost immediately knew what it did

And it doesn't seem like a very good test if you can't do it on someone else now

Still, town have no reason to freak out so badly over being voted, even if it's a triple vote. It's not like it's insta-lynch.

Also, my triple vote resets each day, and I can pick a different target for it each day.

[NicoRobin]

Yes, there is something else, something that increases my suspicions even further.

[NicoRobin]

He doesn't need to "confirm"

To those who insist I am evil for not respecting others' pronoun choices, mine aren't respected either, as shown here, so stuff it.

[NicoRobin]

Hi. What's shaking?

[NicoRobin]

I know enough of the history, and if you think after Yume’s performance in that game and the one specifically made to show how she could be a good player she deserves that kind of hate then you are a horribly spiteful person.

You really don't know the history. You know a small glimpse. And I am not spiteful enough to air out dirty laundry in this game. I don't like her and that is enough said.

Good, because I don't like u either. :/

[NicoRobin]

Actually, I believe I unvoted long ago......

[NicoRobin]

I am bored too.

[NicoRobin]

still here.

[NicoRobin]

Tell them what?

[NicoRobin]

@Mod I might not have internet access on Monday and Tuesday, so I am declaring semi - V/LA until Tuesday.

[NicoRobin]

Yes, and mastina changed her read on me later on.

[NicoRobin]

I actually agree with Vecna. Just because a role seems town doesn't mean the alignment is. Read Steven Universe 2 for details, how about that?

VOTE: mastina

[NicoRobin]

Don't read people based on role.

viewtopic.php?p=8840772#p8840772

Don't read people based on role.

>.>
<.<

[NicoRobin]

I wasn't able to make a difference there, but now I damn well can, so I will cut this in the bud.

Don't read people based on role.

[NicoRobin]

Fine , all right, go ahead and lose because of your stupid assumptions again. >.>

[NicoRobin]

@Vecna This wasn't aimed at you. This was aimed at everyone who chose to ignore my warning that roles don't mean a thing alignment-wise and that they shouldn't fall into that trap again. Ignoring my warning must mean everyone wants to lose by making the same mistake they made in SU2.

@Everyone else Don't like what I said? Then do something about it and don't make baseless assumptions. Just because her role SEEMS town, doesn't mean it is? Or do you want a repeat of SU2?!

[NicoRobin]

@Varsoon You were the mod of SU2, and you know what happened. So please back me up. They would actually listen to you as opposed to me..... :/

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

And then this is suspicious as heck too. From what little I know about him, Firebringer would be doing just the opposite of what I wanted, simply because it's me because it's was his MO throughout several games.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, why is everyone ignoring us when both of us say that mastina should be lynched.

@Creature
@Vecna

Put your money where your mouth is and vote there.

[NicoRobin]

If we lose, I am blaming Creature for thinking that role indicates alignment.

[NicoRobin]

in spite of SU2, a game he played, proving otherwise.

[NicoRobin]

Oh, and by the way.

Spoiler: Secret

Firebringer is not a real pirate. Only Ace is. All hail Ace!

[NicoRobin]

Maybe tomorrow I'll case the shit out of NicoRobin because I've just got like 3 separate things pinging me about her play rn

Like what?

[NicoRobin]

Here's something you guys clearly haven't thought about;

wrt the loyal modifier that Mastina claimed, we have 4 possibilities:

1. True claim as town
2. True claim as scum
3. Semi-true claim as scum (Not loyal, but a modifier that allows only the targeting of town)
4. Fakeclaim


I think it would be dumb af to fakeclaim something like that day 1 because it would allow for a rolecop guilty.

Furthermore, the flavour of Ginngie makes perfect sense with only being allowed to target town

, which eliminates the second option and imo the fourth option. Leashing her for clears is optimal play. Scum!Mastina would also have realised this and faked a guilty by not using the ability by now in the third scenario. Therefore we are looking at scenario 1.

This is the exact thing I am advising against: making assumptions based on the role and the flavor. That's not something you do.

[NicoRobin]

If I'm making assumptions that you don't agree with then point them out. Otherwise my logic is fine and your outright "setup spec is never valid" logic falls TOTALLY flat when you recall that I have correctly used setup spec to assist in casing you in an RC game

Go read Steven Universe 2 game mafia, hosted by Varsoon. Focus on Reasonably Rational. Right there is the fault in your assumptions. People read his role as towny and yet he ended up being scum. Hence, reading someone as town on their role alone is a bad idea. Even mastina herself would agree with me on this one.

[NicoRobin]

And you also used setup spec combined with my play to nail me in that game. Here, you are only using one and not the other.

I'll make it easy for you. Forgo setup spec for a moment and tell me how is mastina town by play.

[NicoRobin]

Don't have to forgo setup spec when this has got a much higher accuracy rate in this circumstance than play could ever have

Then your viewpoint is meaningless, considering that you used both to nail me and you refuse to do that here. I hate smartasses who think their analysis is the only valid one in the whole game and that everyone who disagrees is an idiot.

[NicoRobin]

Well, your 100 % certainty that mastina is scum bothers me.

[NicoRobin]

Well, your 100 % certainty that mastina is town here bothers me.

because the only way you can be that certain of it is if you are scum yourself, otherwise there would be some doubt in you, no matter how small.

[NicoRobin]

If there was no gladiate, I'd be voting you right now just for that.

[NicoRobin]

Then, if you are town, go ahead and lose.

[NicoRobin]

Also ayyy you're going in on the 1V1 I like that you should NK me though because you'll lose it

Let me show you something interesting.

Speaking of Nico, I forgot to mention she moved from one of my main scumspects to being among my strongest townreads. The thing I was looking for, she displayed to an extent which I don't think she's capable of faking as scum.

The person you are townreading with such certainty townreads me. What does that tell you?

[NicoRobin]

Also ayyy you're going in on the 1V1 I like that you should NK me though because you'll lose it

Let me show you something interesting.

Speaking of Nico, I forgot to mention she moved from one of my main scumspects to being among my strongest townreads. The thing I was looking for, she displayed to an extent which I don't think she's capable of faking as scum.

The person you are townreading with such certainty townreads me. What does that tell you?

Fuck all

Town don't automatically have good reads

That means that you, if town, don't have good reads either.

[NicoRobin]

So which is it?

Town doesn't automatically have good reads, or town doesn't automatically have bad reads? Cos you've said both.

You are the one flailing, not me.

[NicoRobin]

jjh and mastina are scum together. That's why he townreads her so strongly, she is the endgame player for his team.

[NicoRobin]

Whatever. Since you townread mastina by role alone, I'll have some concrete info proving beyond a shadow of doubt that mastina is scum by the next day, and then you'll lynch her.

[NicoRobin]

@Porkens Still want me to tell 'em?

[NicoRobin]

That awkward moment when someone who claims to townread you wants to shoot you, and the person who you agree with scumreads you.....

This must be the Opposite land.....

[NicoRobin]

You are making a mistake there. What in her play has been towny? Please, do say.......

Even I am more town than she is, despite what others say.

[NicoRobin]

If this is about my ability, why the hell would you want to save someone who possibly lied about their role? Town would let me do my thing and draw their own conclusions from what the results might be, not try to stop my ability altogether.

Also, I am amused you think I have enough sway to run her up, role or no role.

[NicoRobin]

and flattered too.

[NicoRobin]

So I am shady because I reiterate that reading her for her role alone is a mistake.

I call bullshit on that. Do you know how many games were lost because someone had the bright idea of town-clearing someone based on role alone? Too many. And now you are doing that exact thing, which leads me to believe that you want to lose.

I don't normally say this, but get your heads out of your asses.

If you don't believe me, ask mastina herself. :c

[NicoRobin]

And don't ask me damn questions and then fucking ignore me.

You are getting in the way of victory here.

[NicoRobin]

tf lynching conftown

How is NR conftown?

because mastina townreads me and has pretty good accuracy when it comes to townreads?

[NicoRobin]

and considering she is your townread and plenty of you won't budge on that, I find it funny that you refuse to listen to her own damn words. >.>

[NicoRobin]

tf lynching conftown

How is NR conftown?

because mastina townreads me and has pretty good accuracy when it comes to townreads?

Wtf is this? You think Mastina is scum

Can we not gloss over this even if you are glossing over the 1V1 which has caused me to become extremely confident in NicoRobin being scum?

I am just taking your points of view into consideration.

1. You townread her without any reservations
2. She townread me.

Therefore, you should townread me without any reservations.

Make up your damn mind, would you?

[NicoRobin]

and I find it interesting that you singled that one out and didn't even look at the next post I made.....

[NicoRobin]

methinks that you're cherry-picking the things I post that suit your narrative, while ignoring everything else I post.

[NicoRobin]

@Jingle I can only use my triple vote against Porkens atm, though this could be changed each day.

[NicoRobin]

Also, I am not the major problem: you guys are. You are townreading someone without even a sliver of doubt and without any reservations whatsoever. Sorry if my experiences so far lead me to believe that your level of surety would bite your in the ass at the end.

[NicoRobin]

Your arguments don't work from any coherent perspective.

I'm not sheeping Mastina

Why wouldn't you sheep your own town read who has a better understanding of the game than you ever would?

It's because you know she is scum because you two are partners. And everyone who townreads mastina for her role alone is also scum.

[NicoRobin]

There, I've said it. Engage me in the game of wits, ladies and gentlemen, Umineko-style.

On the first twilight, gouge the head and kill.
On the 2nd twilight, gouge the neck and kill
On the 3rd twilight, gouge an arm and kill
On the 4th twilight, gouge jjh and kill.

[NicoRobin]

I have a very good understanding of the game and you shouldn't belittle that, but it's in your scum playbook to do so

Care to explain why you have no doubt whatsoever about mastina being town, then? Are you informed somehow? Cos if you aren't, then you being that certain she is town is icky.

[NicoRobin]

are we lynching mastina

I wanna, but dem idiots are refusing solely because of her role.

[NicoRobin]

And because she's town, but, you know, I probably wouldn't be bargaining for her life without her role being involved so that's a fair assessment.

Nah, you are townreading her solely because of her role. If I am wrong and you're also townreading her because of her play.......well, then it would be a different story entirely.

@Invisibility Yes, I am. Have been since the beginning.

[NicoRobin]

Nah, you are townreading her solely because of her role. If I am wrong and you're also townreading her because of her play.......well, then it would be a different story entirely.

I'm not arguing that she's town because of her play because I shouldn't have to. The role should be more than enough.

With that said, this IS mastina's towngame, and the only real argument to the contrary I've seen is her lack of presence, which has never been an alignment indicative mastina tell.

Let me welcome you to mastina school of thought, then.

See, now, that's not enough and never will be. Role shouldn't be the sole factor in reading someone. mastina will tell you that herself when she gets here, so I will say no more on the matter.

[NicoRobin]

oh i just wanted ot confirm her role

Which is where we get back to policy lynching any kind of cop claim on D2 is terrible.

What if I can prove her cop claim is false with my own role?

You will have no problems with that, right?

[NicoRobin]

Well, I am not only a triple voter, I am also a rolecop. That's what Porkens wanted me to say, and now I have.

[NicoRobin]

You guys refused to listen to me, so you've left me no choice but to do this.

[NicoRobin]

Because she wasn't the one I checked. Porkens was.

[NicoRobin]

Goodnight.

[NicoRobin]

I refuse to say anything to you stubborn peeps. >.>

[NicoRobin]

"Why didn't you check Mastina?"

"Because I checked Porkens"


Does this seem like a reasonable response

Both are my scumreads, go figure.....

[NicoRobin]

If NR had rolecopped mastina, we would have confirmation/denial of the loyal modifier.

If mastina is a loyal scum gladiator, Kuroi AND Chick are also scum. Mastina is not that dumb.
If mastina is not loyal, she is fakeclaiming scum.

NR's role literally solves the mastina problem.

Did it not occur to you that I can do it on the next night?

[NicoRobin]

Nah, you are townreading her solely because of her role. If I am wrong and you're also townreading her because of her play.......well, then it would be a different story entirely.

I'm not arguing that she's town because of her play because I shouldn't have to. The role should be more than enough.

With that said, this IS mastina's towngame, and the only real argument to the contrary I've seen is her lack of presence, which has never been an alignment indicative mastina tell.

Let me welcome you to mastina school of thought, then.

See, now, that's not enough and never will be. Role shouldn't be the sole factor in reading someone. mastina will tell you that herself when she gets here, so I will say no more on the matter.

Yes we get it, role is not indicative of alignment.

Why the fuck is Mastina scum, you silly parrot

Why is she not?

[NicoRobin]

And more importantly, why should she get a free pass for lurking - the thing that's in her actual scum repertoire - when I get scumread for lurking over and over again, despite it being a town trait for me?

[NicoRobin]

And more importantly, why should she get a free pass for lurking - the thing that's in her actual scum repertoire - when I get scumread for lurking over and over again, despite it being a town trait for me?

Maybe it’s because you also try to abuse that meta

If you don't want be to abuse it, then take it into account yourselves when reading me, something that you refuse to do no matter what. *glare*

[NicoRobin]

How many times do ou plan to mislynch me before realizing that lurking is my town trait? 13456?

[NicoRobin]

I might go back to that if you continue being stupid.

[NicoRobin]

Like, you want to vig a rolecop in the name of protecting someone who may be lying about their role. That's sheer stupidity, if you ask me. Oh, and double standards. Can't forget double standards.

[NicoRobin]

One more thing. When I say 'you', I mean in plural.

[NicoRobin]

Everyone who defends mastina solely because of role is stupid.

[NicoRobin]

especially when there is possibility she is lying regarding said role.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, but what if I rc her and prove that she was lying. What then?

[NicoRobin]

And I do not need to attack those reasons. The fact that you townread her because of role when I have proven why that's a bad idea, plus the fact that she is being useless in terms of play now and is generally useful as town is enough.

[NicoRobin]

You have yet to prove it's a bad idea to townread her on role. Doing so would involve attacking the reasons I do so

No, doing so would involve citing a previous game in which such an approach went badly.

But I'll humor you. Why are you 100 % sure that this role can't be a scum role? You said that the flavor matches the role, but have you ever heard about a fakeclaim flavor?

[NicoRobin]

Also, you conveniently neglected to address this

Okay, but what if I rc her and prove that she was lying. What then?

[NicoRobin]

Yeah, but you see, your analysis relies on the supposition she is town. If she is not, then the entire analysis falls apart.

[NicoRobin]

Sorry, I misunderstood.

Well, then, I guess have me onboard.

VOTE: No lynch

She'll be lynched tomorrow, then. Guaranteed. I reiterate: don't vig me until I out my result.

[NicoRobin]

However, there is a part you neglected to include: what if my rolecop says that her entire role is false, not just the loyal part?

[NicoRobin]

vote:JJ

Boo you suck

See this? He says that anyone who votes him sucks.

[NicoRobin]

However, there is a part you neglected to include: what if my rolecop says that her entire role is false, not just the loyal part?

Then you're scum because she literally has gladiated 2 people

So no matter what happens, I am scum and she is town, even if she holds up a big neon sign saying 'I am scum by play', everyone will go 'but she ish townz becuz of the rolez and the flavor fitz da rolez'.

Well, let me share something with you. See this?

viewtopic.php?p=8306310#p8306310

See the role PM on there and the fakeclaim right below it? See how they have DIFFERENT FLAVORS?

It's not impossible for scum to have a fakeclaim with a different flavor like jjh seems to believe......

[NicoRobin]

The way you would claim a guilty on Mastina is saying she is not loyal. At which point, if you were telling the truth, she would still be able to gladiate you, and thus we would lynch Mastina. If you say she's not loyal, and then she fails to gladiate you, then we would lynch you. This is mechanically solved by itself.

If you have claimed a guilty on Mastina, then at least one of you is scum and whether or not she is then able to gladiate you determines which one of you it is.

...barring miller, godfather, roles not working as they've been claimed, and other player/role interference. But yeah, this.

@jjh

[NicoRobin]

However, there is a part you neglected to include: what if my rolecop says that her entire role is false, not just the loyal part?

Then you're scum because she literally has gladiated 2 people

So no matter what happens, I am scum and she is town, even if she holds up a big neon sign saying 'I am scum by play', everyone will go 'but she ish townz becuz of the rolez and the flavor fitz da rolez'.

Well, let me share something with you. See this?

viewtopic.php?p=8306310#p8306310

See the role PM on there and the fakeclaim right below it? See how they have DIFFERENT FLAVORS?

It's not impossible for scum to have a fakeclaim with a different flavor like jjh seems to believe......

I'm saying if you say Mastina is not a gladiator then you must be scum because we have seen objective proof from the moderator that she is a gladiator



Also I'm actually good at seeing through fakeclaims

You are obviously not, because proof of her having that role is enough to declare her as town just because her role fits the flavor. But then again, what do I know? It's not like such an approach ended really badly the last time I saw it used. Go ahead, hang me up for learning from experience and trying to get others to do the same.

[NicoRobin]

Nvm, I give up. Maybe falling flat on your face will do you good.

[NicoRobin]

What im thinking youre trying to say still makes no sense with your actions earlier in the day though. Like were you posturing, or did you really want to vote Porkens?

I was testing my triple vote ability.

[NicoRobin]

Do you have a high confidence that its actually Mastina that is scum, and not Porkens setting you up for the dirty work?

Yes, why?

[NicoRobin]

In which way?

[NicoRobin]

You asking me, or somebody else?

[NicoRobin]

No, and you should see what happened to scum the last time they tried to use a neighborhood to try and manipulate me. (Hint: I got them borked)

[NicoRobin]

@Nico

Why are you so hung up on Mastina, anyways? The role is confirmed to behave a certain way that is useful to town, and Mastina is more or less letting the town use it instead of her. Regardless of alignment, it's a good thing to have around.

also, answer these:
- Who else is scum, besides Mastina to you?
- Why do you have this certainty that Mastina is scum despite targeting Porkens last night? Is it solely because most of the game thinks she's town?
- Why did you fall back to lurking being your town trait as a defence when you aren't lurking this game?

- Jingle and jjh
- I just want the players to consider every possibility. Call it whatever you like, I just don't want another loss to happen because of people townreading some one just because of their role
- Because that wasn't defence. That was highlighting double standards.

[NicoRobin]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

I don't.

[NicoRobin]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

Is it just because of role? If so, don't. Just don't.

[NicoRobin]

No, and you should see what happened to scum the last time they tried to use a neighborhood to try and manipulate me. (Hint: I got them borked)

Which game? *leers intensely*

You answered your own question yourself.

i think ur question is pointless because i would ignore her as either alignment.

No I meant your reaction to me feels different than how you played that out
And why tf are you ignoring Nico? You are aware she kinda broke the last Upick right? So any hate is undeserved imo.

i think ur question is pointless because i would ignore her as either alignment.

No I meant your reaction to me feels different than how you played that out
And why tf are you ignoring Nico? You are aware she kinda broke the last Upick right? So any hate is undeserved imo.

u would be wrong after everything she has done. and since you don't know the history i don't think u can say what she deserves.

but w/e.

I know enough of the history, and if you think after Yume’s performance in that game and the one specifically made to show how she could be a good player she deserves that kind of hate then you are a horribly spiteful person.

I know enough of the history, and if you think after Yume’s performance in that game and the one specifically made to show how she could be a good player she deserves that kind of hate then you are a horribly spiteful person.

You really don't know the history. You know a small glimpse. And I am not spiteful enough to air out dirty laundry in this game. I don't like her and that is enough said.

I’ve been around for when the hate was at its peak and asked questions. I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH.

[NicoRobin]

I reiterate: don't vig me until I out my result.

Not gonna vig you at all. The deal I made with FB was to kill GE in return for a day's reprise on mastina. When I offered to have it be you it was when your only claimed power was triple voter, and I most certainly wouldn't vig a claimed rolecop.

You offered to have it be me after I hinted I had rolecop.....

[NicoRobin]

No, and you should see what happened to scum the last time they tried to use a neighborhood to try and manipulate me. (Hint: I got them borked)

Which game? *leers intensely*

You answered your own question yourself.

i think ur question is pointless because i would ignore her as either alignment.

No I meant your reaction to me feels different than how you played that out
And why tf are you ignoring Nico? You are aware she kinda broke the last Upick right? So any hate is undeserved imo.

i think ur question is pointless because i would ignore her as either alignment.

No I meant your reaction to me feels different than how you played that out
And why tf are you ignoring Nico? You are aware she kinda broke the last Upick right? So any hate is undeserved imo.

u would be wrong after everything she has done. and since you don't know the history i don't think u can say what she deserves.

but w/e.

I know enough of the history, and if you think after Yume’s performance in that game and the one specifically made to show how she could be a good player she deserves that kind of hate then you are a horribly spiteful person.

I know enough of the history, and if you think after Yume’s performance in that game and the one specifically made to show how she could be a good player she deserves that kind of hate then you are a horribly spiteful person.

You really don't know the history. You know a small glimpse. And I am not spiteful enough to air out dirty laundry in this game. I don't like her and that is enough said.

I’ve been around for when the hate was at its peak and asked questions. I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH.

That’s misconstruing the facts you fuck. You only “bonked” them by shooting so much their horribly designed role got them killed. If you had listened to me INSTEAD OF HAMMERING ME we would have lynch that scum Day 3, or Day 4 if you went against me initially. But NOOOO, LET’S ALL IGNORE GAMMA’S COUNTERCLAIM BECAUSE HIS OPINION MEANS JACK SHIT.

That's not what you said earlier?

Also, isn't that the same as what ya'll are doing? Not listening to me because my opinion means jack shit?

[NicoRobin]

Why would I care whether one of my scumreads is supportive regarding my stance on their partner?

[NicoRobin]

Hello. Mastina is not loyal.

[NicoRobin]

I am a rolecop, and I checked her, and she is not loyal.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

p-edit: I told you my results. If you have something else in mind, please tell me what, because I am drawing a blank regarding what more you could possibly want......

[NicoRobin]

Like, walk me through everything step-by-step from your point of view, like I am stupid.

Okay, you shouldn't read mastina as town by role alone, which is endorsed by my ability, proving she lied about said role.

Further proof lies in Varsoon's SU2 mafia.

Both my role and my past experience prove she is more likely to be scum than she is to be town and that you should read her by play; and what aspect of her play is town?

^My POV in a nutshell

[NicoRobin]

I submitted mastina and got that she is a hated disloyal gladiator.

[NicoRobin]

Or maybe scum no killed/targeted you to frame me.

Ever thought about that, genius?

[NicoRobin]

But of course you'd want me gone. You said you can see through the fakeclaims, but my result says otherwise, so you are afraid that I'll have you busted as well.

jjh+Jingle+mastina scumteam?

p-edit: It was a hypothetical statement.....

[NicoRobin]

That's cute.

You are making up stuff as you go just to see me killed on mastina's behalf.

Try being more subtle about it next time.

p-edit: Rolecop and triplevoter.

[NicoRobin]

That's my role.

Do you guys lack reading comprehension or something? Just because you think there is more to my role doesn't mean there is.

I mean sure, in your fantasies I could be a Godfather Miller Vigilante Donkey Kong Superman Supreme Ruler of the World Krakatoa, but reality is different from your fantasies and you shouldn't mix them up.

[NicoRobin]

Also you don't seem to have contested that I'm deathproof yet either

If you mean my role, I can only check one person per night, so there is no way I could have checked both you and mastina at once. Try again.

[NicoRobin]

I'm pretty sure I've only referenced things you actually did

Except that I have no killing ability, so I couldn't have tried to kill you, like you seem to imply.

p-edit: It was a hunch, a hunch that proved to be correct, which either proves that your claim of you being able to see through fakeclaims is an absolute bs, or that you have been - and still are - covering for mastina. You wanting to get rid of me after I revealed that she is not loyal supports that you are scum together. Or did you not see the fact that my role proves she fakeclaimed loyal modifier

I predict that you will continue to attack me and that she will not gladiate me, because she'll fall if it succeeds, and you'll be next.

Good luck. I am not the one in the corner, the three of you are.

[NicoRobin]

I don't entirely believe NicoRobin's claim, in all honesty. Just because of the terrible way it was claimed yesterday + me scumreading her. It just seems like there's a few too many holes in the role for it to be real, like how it's a triplevoting neigbourising rolecop or how Nico essentially only claims stuff when it suits her. I'm honestly more than a little suspicious that it's faked. The holier-than-thou attitude instead of actually backing it up just seals it for me.

@Nico what did you get on Porkens?

It's only a triplevoting rolecop. I never claimed any neighborhood-type role.

And I received no result on Porkens.

[NicoRobin]

You're scum and scum have a nightkill lmao

Exactly what real scum would say.

Someone like you is good enough to know that I am mislynchable as hell due to the fact that I tend to overreact as both alignments, and your partner mastina knows this too, so naturally you'd try to frame me, because I am easier to frame than anyone else because I am deliciously mislynchable.

[NicoRobin]

You're scum and scum have a nightkill lmao

Exactly what real scum would say.

????

Read the rest of my post.

[NicoRobin]

Also, what do you mean "if"

We're 100% lynching in Mastina and NR because there is guaranteed scum in there and also a foolproof way of determining which one it is

Seems mighty convenient that you want to get me lynched as opposed to the person who lied about their role.

Trying to give your partner a window of opportunity to survive by getting the person who guiltied her get lynched instead of her?

p-edit: Okay, so let the possible scum live so they could endgame easier? Seems kosher......

Isn't that just nice? Two of my scumreads are setting things up so that the third could endgame the town easier, and the third is largely AWOL and letting the other two do all the work

[NicoRobin]

Yes but I'd much rather keep the town loyal gladiator

More misinterpretation......

She is disloyal, as my result proves.

So unless you can 100 % prove that my result is a lie, she is not loyal.

[NicoRobin]

I'm also just gonna pretend I didn't see that post because Nico doesn't seem to understand what is going on

I understand that you want to lynch me before your partner so that you can save her.

If this is not the case, then you should have no qualms about flipping her first, so why not flip her first?

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Nico

i dont think mastina's claim comes from a disloyal scum because going around clearing random players and preventing no lynches is rlly suboptimal??

*preventing mislynches

Gaining towncred for it?

[NicoRobin]

Yo NicoRobin, is Mastina faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability

No, she was just lying about being loyal.

Then again, why even ask? You will scumread me no matter what, because that's the only way you can save mastina, and you will ignore any and all posts which don't fit into your narrative.

Get ready to burn when I flip town.

kthxbai

[NicoRobin]

(stop voting Mastina)

Don't do as he says. He is only trying to protect her. Remember that she lied about being loyal. Liars=scum.

[NicoRobin]

No. If she’s scum, a successful disloyal gladiate is still a townclear.

If she’s scum, we don’t have a guaranteed way of lynching scum because she could easily be faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability to setup a fake guilty.

The only solid way we can be sure of their alignments is if the gladiate is successful, in which case nico is town and mastina is scum. If we decide that that is the likely case anyway, then hell yes I want to have an insurance policy in case we chose wrong.

More excuses not to lynch her ever.......

You are suggesting leaving a possible scum alive till endgame just because she could clear people.......

Scumteam of jjh+Jingle+mastina solidifies.....

[NicoRobin]

She literally wouldn't be lynched as town lmao

That's not what I am arguing.

What if she is scum? Would you leave her alive till endgame anyway?

Based on your posts so far and how you already decided that she is town and I am not, I am suspecting you would, because she is your key player.

More reasons why these three are scum......

[NicoRobin]

And there is more. You immediately assumed that scum targeted you when there was a no kill, when there are other options, like scum no killing on purpose.

p-edit: So you plan to lynch her if she refuses or gladiates someone else?

[NicoRobin]

Scum no killing on purpose is dumber than the one where they kill me to frame you and not just because I'm obvtown

It isn't dumb when it pays off, like in this case, where no-killing allowed the three of you to gain my free mislynch.

[NicoRobin]

You have yet to proe me wrong about all three of you being scum, and what you are saying only increases my scumread.

No, I only received the role name. That's how rolecop generally works.

[NicoRobin]

Like, by both my plan and jjs, it is impossible to mislynch you.

It is possible if you came up with the plan where mastina refuses and you make up reasons why I am scum and then mislynch me anyway.

[NicoRobin]

Yo NicoRobin, is Mastina faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability

No, she was just lying about being loyal.

Then again, why even ask? You will scumread me no matter what, because that's the only way you can save mastina, and you will ignore any and all posts which don't fit into your narrative.

Get ready to burn when I flip town.

kthxbai

Explain.

She has a disloyal modifier.

You understand?

Because I don't fancy repeating it over and over again.......

[NicoRobin]

Tinfoil mechanics theory, however, says that NicoRobin's ability failed on Porkens but Porkens reflected it back and rolecopped NicoRobin, and if I am correct and Porkens received a full role PM I would like him to claim this

Said by someone who doesn't believe my results on mastina are real.

[NicoRobin]

Tinfoil mechanics theory, however, says that NicoRobin's ability failed on Porkens but Porkens reflected it back and rolecopped NicoRobin, and if I am correct and Porkens received a full role PM I would like him to claim this

Said by someone who doesn't believe my results on mastina are real.

I think you're a rolecop just not a town one

Okay, I'll pretend you are town for a second.

So, if mastina is scum, you'll let her endgame you because she can provide clears?

[NicoRobin]

Tinfoil mechanics theory, however, says that NicoRobin's ability failed on Porkens but Porkens reflected it back and rolecopped NicoRobin, and if I am correct and Porkens received a full role PM I would like him to claim this

Said by someone who doesn't believe my results on mastina are real.

I think you're a rolecop just not a town one

Okay, I'll pretend you are town for a second.

So, if mastina is scum, you'll let her endgame you because she can provide clears?

No I'll lynch her if she either succeeds in gladiating you or refuses to try

What if she chooses to gladiate someone else?

[NicoRobin]

SO YEAH BACK TO STRATEGY OPTIMISATION JINGLE

Since the only meaningful difference that your strat provides is that if Mastina is town, we don't lynch scum right away and instead get a conftown while saving scum the trouble of killing Mastina (which they would definitely have to do), WHY is it +EV?

We're comparing
Mislynch mastina, get a conftown, NK, scum lynch
or
Mislynch mastina, get a guilty, NK, scum lynch

to
scum lynch, Mastina gets NKed, ???

In the first condition of your strat, scum will target a conftown or obvtown anyway, meaning we net 0 conftowns.
And in the second condition where we get a guilty, it's on someone we would have agreed was the scummiest person. So, in other words, they're the most likely to get lynched anyway.

Your proposed strategy is A. Shit and B. Pro-scum if NicoRobin is scum

Why do all of these say 'mislynch' mastina?

Where are the scenarios where she is scum?!

[NicoRobin]

As expected, you will refuse to believe she is scum regardless of whether she refuses to gladiate me, and your scenarios prove it.

You are trying to protect her after all, meaning you are scum with her.

[NicoRobin]

She will get proven as scum anyway if she refuses to gladiate me.

[NicoRobin]

She will get proven as scum anyway if she refuses to gladiate me.

The hell kind of response to Mastina calling your guilty faked is this

Please corroborate if you did indeed lie and then you get to explain why

Yes, I lied.

It was for reaction test which both you and Jingle failed. You kept parroting how she was town and never considered the possibility that she could be scum, not even once. Any rational town would at least consider that possibility too.