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Post Post #2750 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:13 pm

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No. You are not allowed to read me off an aspect of my meta unless you take other aspects of my meta into account too, like me being useless as town.[/quote]
except, i
did
take into account the entirety of your meta. stockport is a huge exception, and your only other micro game iirc, where you basically played like you have played here in terms of content. ergo, content in a micro-sized game would not be a complete assessment for you without giving special consideration to your only other scum micro. you are stretching here to make your point, when in fact i gave considerable detail to your meta style at an earlier point
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Post Post #2751 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:19 pm

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In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town
In post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here! :!: :!: :!:
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Post Post #2752 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:21 pm

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In post 2751, profii wrote:
In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town
In post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here! :!: :!: :!:
:lol:

IF
nico flips town

not if she flips scum

therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn

like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.
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Post Post #2753 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:23 pm

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profii, you have been so all over the place this game

and yet, on the whole, oddly consistent with nico of all players....

you expect me to think this is genuine?
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Post Post #2754 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:25 pm

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In post 2752, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2751, profii wrote:
In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town
In post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here! :!: :!: :!:
:lol:

IF nico flips town


not if she flips scum

therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn

like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.
Which I will.
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Post Post #2755 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:27 pm

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fmpov, then what is scum team if nico!town

koki-maria? koki-profii?

like explain to me how those would make sense at this point
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Post Post #2756 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:38 pm

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In post 2755, stungun0404 wrote:fmpov, then what is scum team if nico!town

koki-maria? koki-profii?

like explain to me how those would make sense at this point
So, you are saying that we should all believe town just because you say you are?
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Post Post #2757 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:39 pm

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If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
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Post Post #2758 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?
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Post Post #2759 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:50 pm

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profii has said he was town off memory, so has nico and so have i

i cannot recall such for maria and koki for sure, but i really think maria did, thus should i vote them? like that does not make sense
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Post Post #2760 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:54 pm

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In post 2758, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?
I mean that you shouldn't expect the rest of us to magically townread you and utterly dismiss the possibility you could be scum with Koki just because you say so.
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Post Post #2761 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:55 pm

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if i’m speaking frankly from your supposed vantage points, i have no idea why either you nico or you profii have chosen me freely over maria or koki.
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Post Post #2762 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:00 pm

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yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
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Post Post #2763 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:00 pm

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All we do is wait for nsg
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2764 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:10 pm

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there’s a lot of things that would be completely unnecessary and way too much overthinking if scum that it should not dare even make sense i am scum.

like, why would i do this before actually hammering aronis when i could just hammer him anyway and say he’s scummy? i have way more, but this is for starters when i had the hammer vote.
In post 1333, stungun0404 wrote:i found via a town game of aronis’s a common frustration: he is troll-y as town. so many of his posts can read as scummy to the eye, and as anti-town at first sight, making his posts easy to attack when he is town although in his town games it appears players have noticed a lack of true scum MOTIVATION behind his posts. so perhaps i would feel at ease casing him for some of his major posts looking specifically for whether there is a scum motivation behind the posts he has made.


Spoiler: looking for scum motivation behind aronis’s posts
In post 10, Aronis wrote:wow already voting me :( you guys are mean
first post in thread. i had already voted him, but no omgus vote = lack of scum motivation.


In post 11, Aronis wrote:
In post 9, northsidegal wrote:oh, i feel like this'll be a hard playerlist to read.
don't worry, I'll make sure to be obvtown in the next 24 hours to lighten the load up for you!! :cop:
lack of scum motivation here is also present; he is putting pressure on himself to town it up.

In post 28, Aronis wrote:
In post 24, Shoshin wrote:Hey Stun & Aronis, help us lynch Kokichi!
I plan on it! I'm just waiting for them to get to L-1 so I can quickhammer
fits in with general trolliness of his playstyle, which players tend to take issue with.

possible scum motivation in quickhammering a player, but the lack of scum motivation is present in that he is not pushing for that player actively to be lynched until his next post, which gives a different impression.



In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
In post 55, Aronis wrote:
In post 34, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
ok, this has possible scum motivation for sure. quicklynching a possible townplayer (or even scum for that matter) gives town little information to go off of, so if he’s even jokily trying to encourage me here, that could definitely rate as scummy. really, he can’t seriously believe i will follow this though, right?





Good idea. I'm sure NOTHING could possibly go wrong with this plan
I know it's beautiful. you should selfvote so we can make it happen!!!
again, he’s being jokily aggressive. but he can’t seriously believe kokichi will follow through with this, can he?



In post 105, Aronis wrote:
In post 80, GirlInFreezer wrote:+town
GIF (obvtown)
kokichi (think sliiightly more likely to come from town so far but I'll see)

NSG (less likely to take scum)
Creature (less likely to take scum)
will reassess that based on their play from here on out

nicorobin (very slightly, gut read ish?)
Aronis (maybe I shouldn't actually townread this already but meh think slightly more likely to be town. no ideah ow to rly read them tho)

that leaves

Shoshin
Stungun
Profii

and I'm independently scumreading all 3 of their play so happy with where i'm at rn
I generally confess my guilt by page 7 when I'm scum- so you really don't need to worry about me. If I'm not town you'll find out very soon
again, puts pressure on himself to town it up again. and this is anti-scum wincon the way he has played so far if he is indeed scum, so i see lack of scum motivation.


In post 166, Aronis wrote:
In post 165, profii wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:
In post 106, Shoshin wrote:Hey Aronis, any reads?
okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts
why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler
In post 157, Shoshin wrote:Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...
Why are you changing it up
yeah keep trying to distract from the fact that I caught you
In post 170, Aronis wrote:WOW OMGUS vote

these scum aren't holding back and are going for my throat

I should've seen this coming
does not cast votes, but calls out suspicions, which given the eye test can definitely look scummy. this has possible scum motivation —> i can see it.



In post 237, Aronis wrote:oh no guys don't lynch me I'm a town cop
In post 239, Aronis wrote:i don't like taking this game very seriously, then I just get stressed out and frustrated

i generally wait until about day 3 to scumhunt
In post 254, Aronis wrote:VOTE: NSG

I'm trusting stun since I think he's one of about three town players in this game with me and is making sense
In post 258, Aronis wrote:stop being anti town RC
vote NSG
In post 281, Aronis wrote:okay i'm pretty sure shoshin is conftown at this point and one of the best players on this site
In post 282, Aronis wrote:i might just sheep shoshin for the rest of the game tbh
In post 285, Aronis wrote:wow you can tell profii just got caught
gotta go back and modify that readslist real quick before anyone else realizes she/he is scum
In post 287, Aronis wrote:you got called out for being vague- something you do as scum, so you just made the most direct and to the point readslist possible and then your conclusion is oh, let's put someone else at L2 to try to get as much attention off of me as possible
In post 290, Aronis wrote:
In post 288, profii wrote:Feel free to interrogate as much as you can to understand the rationale for any of my reads if you want to send attention my way

I felt my first list was mis repped because I don’t feel like I’m scum reading “basically everyone” by any stretch so I thought clarity would help

But you do seem to be directing heat in my direction ironically
I count one very weak town endorsement on stungun from that list
everybody else you ignore, don't commit, or call scum. Scum reading "basically everyone" seems like a fairly accurate description. You definitely didn't give any real town reads out.
In post 340, Aronis wrote:Stungun might as well be an IC at this point
In post 630, Aronis wrote:Whatttttt i kinda want to lynch gif for that. It feels like a massive overreaction. I don't see town frustration in doing that in this situation
In post 800, Aronis wrote:
In post 759, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?
Honestly I'm frustrated enough that I'd kill anybody that isn't you, me, or shoshin
In post 957, Aronis wrote:why is creature so obsessed with the jailkeeper?
In post 1005, Aronis wrote:I imagine it's because he doesn't like being scum
In post 1106, Aronis wrote:I'm pretty sure saying hi 4+ times is a scumtell
In post 1108, Aronis wrote:I've never seen a town player say hi that many times in a single game day
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
In post 1256, Aronis wrote:Besides the votes on me were horrible. Profii's flipped his vote between three different people multiple times in the past few hours. Profii and Creature are both just trying to avoid getting lynched and kill anyone possible. They don't have any legitimate reasons for voting me

Nico over here has made 17 posts. Their play is horrible and incredibly anti-town. The mod has double the posts Nico does and everyone else's slot has minimally three times more. Nico is sitting over here telling you that lurking is a town behavior- I think we all know that's dumb. Then to top it off when I call them out for being hands down the worst player in the game, they pretty much OMGUS vote me because they're offended or something dumb.

MariaR's vote was the only one I took moderately seriously and even then it wasn't great. The wagon on me was an absolute joke and one I have no intentions of caring about
In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum
In post 1276, Aronis wrote:
In post 1267, NicoRobin wrote:You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c
I'm saying lurking isn't town behavior and is anti-town. Provide all the examples you want, I highly doubt you'll be able to solidly prove it's a townie course of action on a repeated basis.


p-edit: with 2 hours left i am just going to post all this and continue considering them from there.

i would like if players could try to find serious scum motivation in his posts, because i see a lack thereof.
In post 1329, stungun0404 wrote:i’m doing a quick aronis metadive to see if it is consistent with what i think before potentially hammering
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Post Post #2765 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pm

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i felt burned out from mafia, but rather than directly using the excuses to my advantage i made a massive wallpost on why i thought creature scum. i was not scum pushing creature there, as i was town that genuinely thought he was scum. when nobody is reading all my cases, why as scum make such a detailed case?

Spoiler: massive creature scum case
In post 1608, stungun0404 wrote:i think creature is scum, and has been getting help from his friemd ircher that is now out of the opposing game and flipped town. a lot of his d1 posts reflect his scum tendencies to my recollection. notice how creature has been a bit more substantial out of nowhere this day phase -- this can be attributed to his partner helping him out now that he is out of the other game. otherwise, why was creature so relatively insubstantial last day phase, in the sense that he sheeped me with a townread of shoshin (which he is still trusting) and sheeped me hoping i was right with a vote on profii.

i am feeling burned out with mafia right now, however, so i'll just post what i had already typed up here and call it a day for now.



creature would definitely take scum over ircher imo. there is no doubt in my mind if the 2 had that option. creature has been in so many scum games recently in his meta actually, looking at them. why wouldn't he take on another potentially - now that we know ircher flipped town in the other game?


seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov.

it seems this is one way scum!creature inflates his post counts in certain games where otherwise he might be caught. he did it here, thus he is very likely scum based off his meta.
In post 221, Creature wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:creature- probably town.
I liked one of his posts
lol
reads like he's possibly intending to doubtcast aronis. is he even implicating that he is scum, and therefore aronis should not townread him there?

also serves to deflect attention back to aronis, just by creature simply questioning it, even though creature is not on the wagon at this point--he is on the profii wagon "hoping that i am right" there. i'm getting pocket-y vibes there, now.

also lol posts @ profii in when he says maria vs. creature is t vs. s.


other games of proof

Creature!Scum game in transformers mafia
In post 139, Creature wrote:
In post 111, UnrealSeal wrote:creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game
while RC fervantly defends him
kappa
lol
if you look at transformers mafia too, you'll notice creature seriously
diverged
from his lurkiness as scum tendency. granted, that game was multiball, but it can't be discounted when there are people enabling certain elements of his scumplay as being impossible for creature to perform.

lol. well that hunt failed miserably; of course it would be in another game i played with him but nowhere else in the first page of his most recent threads :lol:
but i did ensure that he indeed did that in none of his town games on the entire first page.


he also tends to make posts with higher frequency as scum that only contain the substance of "???"
stockport mafia (scum game)
viewtopic.php?p=9993221#p9993221
viewtopic.php?p=9996526#p9996526

he did so here as well in and

there's more games to credit here from a quick dive into his meta, but i really don't feel like doing it right now as i mentioned i am burned out.


makes a post in a scum game where similar to his opening post here--he claims he needs sth interesting to happen.
viewtopic.php?p=9856177#p9856177
does it in his first post here:



hmm... sidenote to lookout. creature and nicorobin scum team has won a game before where creature was lynched d1. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246



creature from my memory also seems super focused with clearing himself in his scum games as opposed to trying to sort other players. he tried to do that here with me last day phase in being ok if i proposed a lynch option, as long as it's not him. that's when i turned to profii, but that still did slightly ping me at the time.
is where he did that this game.

: why is creature suddenly so confident profii is town; enough to say stungun vs. profii is t vs. t. does he think profii will be the lynch today, and thus he is wanting to avoid that lynchwagon to put himself in a better position? that's what i am presently thinking!


and also i don't think this game can possibly exist in a state where both profii and creature are town. if one is town, simply the other is scum. they were the 2 primary "doubtcasters" of aronis, and that was a town mislynch. so one of them is pretty much scum. profii has done a few things of recent that i don't think scum would do, and as such i automatically assume creature must be scum.


also, notice how creature is veering away from majority targets, which might mean he knows certain players are town. he is doing this in favor of voting for lynches that probably won't happen (Kokichi and maria are his faves rn; even though he started the nsg wagon and that never really took off).
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Post Post #2766 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 2762, stungun0404 wrote:yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
of course he is. He is helping you out.
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Post Post #2767 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:21 pm

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In post 2760, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2758, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?
I mean that you shouldn't expect the rest of us to magically townread you and utterly dismiss the possibility you could be scum with Koki just because you say so.
And you still haven't addressed this.
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Post Post #2768 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:23 pm

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and what had tipped me off to this bit in particular:

“seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov. ”

was what he did in a scum game i was watching, but not alive in, heroes wanted. he made that post at around the time i posted that case, though i obviously could not reveal it at the time but i now can, i did not think creature town would do that, blinded by him doing it in a scum game i was following closely.

evidence in that game
he had not done this in a single town game he had meta’d, but he had done it in another scum game. so that is 2 scum games, but zero town games, so to be fair i thought that would make him scum this game wanting to bring attention to aronis for a particular post.

check the timestamps of the posts and you should figure that this checks
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Post Post #2769 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:23 pm

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of course you have to follow the link on the creature post to the other game to see it, but do it and you will see
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Post Post #2770 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:28 pm

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In post 2766, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2762, stungun0404 wrote:yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
of course he is. He is helping you out.
gemini is a she, just like you are (but i have gotten that wrong tbf) :P

have you talked with tw at all with regard to this game? what about if so?
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Post Post #2771 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:35 pm

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you know what could be one incredibly damning thing? i don’t think off the top of my head nico has ever gotten this defensive in a town game, but perhaps she does as scum.

will have to meta to confirm this, but i am pretty sure this is the case, and she is hella defensive this game
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Post Post #2772 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:05 pm

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In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis
In post 1144, NicoRobin wrote:Lurking in the game is my town trait, and I am much more assertive as scum. I am sure that those who played w/me can tell you that much.
In post 1145, NicoRobin wrote:So if you scumread me for lurking, then lol.
i scumread you for a). your votes, b). PoE c). the fact i feel kokichi is town suggests you are then scum. d). your one blatant antitown comment about creature being jk. e). your defense of profii without backing it up with anything but tone—reads as either pocketing or a scum partner to me. f). lack of discussion with tw over anything, and dodging every prompt about it g). you voting me with that prompt simply asking you to vote, very easy excuse for scum to cling on to h). you voted for a player i feel is town and now you are voting for me. you also lead the lynch against a player i adamantly felt was town d1, and helped get nsg’s wagon to L-2 yesterday, which also made me feel sick to my stomach. i). the fact that if you are actually town you are truly playing an awful game fmpov and what i believe (i.e. koki!town and such). j). the fact that you have given no townreads outside of profii this entire game, or even town indications. k). the fact that i genuinely feel like you have not been sorting players this game so much as reacting to them. l). the fact that all your pushes have been weakly attributed, to my eyes. m). the fact that you could be scum with either of maria or profii and this game would make sense.

and other things, but you get the gist, so there i used half the alphabet. if you can respond to these, go ahead, because that is literally the only way i would even consider not voteparking you is if you give a strong response.



on another: why does it feel like we are sans maria rn? that is lowkey concerning me.
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Post Post #2773 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:14 pm

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hey nicorobin, can you link the last few times you've been lynched as scum and maybe one or two times you've been lynched as town
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Post Post #2774 (ISO) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:21 pm

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nsg, can you assure us you will be here around deadline?

because with 3 days 20 hours left and you not being around end of d1, i have to make sure of that :P

last thing we want is a no lynch—3 vs. 2 is harder to rally town votes around a scum lynch in a game where we are already struggling hard enough to reach similar conclusions.

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