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VOTE: hewhoswimsIn post 122, HeWhoSwims wrote:soft agree that calling MB obvtown is wacky
Apart from that idk what to say I've only played half a game with like 3 of you
Let's have fun still-
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you are charismatic however i rather won't...In post 141, RadiantCowbells wrote:
You can hard lock me as town < 3In post 140, Yuurei wrote:is it bad that i don't have any good read as of yet?
northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?
also, aside from TGP i don't find anything alignment coming from Adonis posts-
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i'll help you get a better read on her, but i don't know yet about trusting your read completely i guess?In post 143, northsidegal wrote:
trust me, i can soulread keychain. i'm pretty confident in this.In post 140, Yuurei wrote:northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?
VOTE: keychain
radiantcowbells, you disagree with northsidegal's scum read on keychain, however is that because you don't see alignment indicative content or because you town read keychain?
post edit: i imagine that voting her means null but i'm not editing my post-
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i don't know the term "+rand town" so i'll interpret it as a very weak town read?In post 148, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would actually say keychain based on my reading is minorly +Rand town-
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thanks for explainingIn post 154, Aronis wrote:
Rand is referring to Rand Paul and so it's a way of saying an insane town player essentiallyIn post 151, Yuurei wrote:
i don't know the term "+rand town" so i'll interpret it as a very weak town read?In post 148, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would actually say keychain based on my reading is minorly +Rand town
is that a random or serious vote?
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no, that's why i asked you?In post 159, Luna Nova wrote:
It was a serious vote. Do you have a guess as to why I placed it?In post 158, Yuurei wrote:is that a random or serious vote?
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i think so as well, however these motivations can be "weak" in my visionIn post 179, MathBlade wrote:
I think everything even subconscious actions have a motivation.In post 177, Yuurei wrote:i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke
Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?
i mean, he simply wanted to joke, so he did it
that's the conclusion i came after thinking about it at least-
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ok, i'll take your "feels off" as a gutread or something similar.In post 188, MathBlade wrote:
Something feels off about it. Like this gnawing.In post 186, Yuurei wrote:
i think so as well, however these motivations can be "weak" in my visionIn post 179, MathBlade wrote:
I think everything even subconscious actions have a motivation.In post 177, Yuurei wrote:i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke
Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?
i mean, he simply wanted to joke, so he did it
that's the conclusion i came after thinking about it at least
but when you say about the "gnawing", are you perhaps referring to me?-
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i wanted to wait more but there's nothing much to comment about so i'm putting it in the table:
Ursula comes and vote me, i ask if it's a random or serious vote, it(he or she?) replies yes.
i ask why and what they think about keychain being scum read by her entrance post.
it comes to the thread again and replies to RC post below me, however not to any of my questions.
whatever it is, its motivation to vote me doesn't feel genuine if Ursula read my question, replied to RC, changed their avatar but didn't bother to explain or engage with the current discussion going on in the game about keychain, TGP or Aronis.
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reading this post i may or may not be worried that the hydra will get "bandwagon-ed" for reasons not game relatedIn post 199, Aronis wrote:oh hell yes this is a wagon i can get on board with
let's kill the godawful hydra
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so why aren't you voting keychain and didn't say anything about it until i brought up that you had not said anything?
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ok, that explain things better. i would like to hear your opinion about TGP, Aronis or Math as well, and can you talk me through your reason for voting me or you want to wait more to say it?In post 211, Luna Nova wrote:
Ok let me rephrase what I said. I believe that Northsidegal is incredibly confident in her ability to read Keychain and genuinely believes she caught scum. This does not impact my keychain read.In post 207, Yuurei wrote:so why aren't you voting keychain and didn't say anything about it until i brought up that you had not said anything?
I brought this up now as it wasnt something I decided on until I reread the thread recently.
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i thought TGP was joking and math was taking it too serious and trying to push TGP for a silly reasonIn post 245, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I don't buy this progression. Explain how you went from voting Math to voting with Math.In post 59, Yuurei wrote:i guess you maybe has a point then?
VOTE: thegoldenparadox
it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...
Math says that he has experience with TGP and that it probably wasn't a joke. i vote with him to get the game going
TGP later admits that he was joking
i wonder about it all and get back to the conclusion that the joke is NAI-
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i was almost voting on you for appearing to be disengaged with the discussions however i wanted to wait because you could be town trying to get someone to question youIn post 250, Almost50 wrote:Are we going to spend the whole day talking about TGP's joke? I've tried to be goofy enough with series pf lame jokes/puns in hopes to catch some attention myself. Alas. Those who know me know me too well I suppose, and my ways are getting old, maybe?
Anyway, We can -perhaps- try to look at someone whose name's not abbreviated as TGP?? There are 17 other slots, y'know. One of which hasn't posted at all, so 16 other slots. Anything? Anyone??
looks like a town motivation now that you've revealed your intentions
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all TGP has is that jokeIn post 251, CheekyTeeky wrote:
So because the joke is NAI - all the reactions around it are NAI? I find it interesting that you're unable to give a stance on either Math or TGP explicitly when youve just admitted you were reaction testing and you voting with math implies a slight town read.In post 249, Yuurei wrote:
i thought TGP was joking and math was taking it too serious and trying to push TGP for a silly reasonIn post 245, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I don't buy this progression. Explain how you went from voting Math to voting with Math.In post 59, Yuurei wrote:i guess you maybe has a point then?
VOTE: thegoldenparadox
it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...
Math says that he has experience with TGP and that it probably wasn't a joke. i vote with him to get the game going
TGP later admits that he was joking
i wonder about it all and get back to the conclusion that the joke is NAI
and almost all that Math said is about TGP's joke
i wasn't reaction testing, i found that Math reasoning was plausible if TGP wasn't joking, but when TGP clearly stated that it was a joke, i thought about it all again and ended up at my first conclusion: it was NAI. and i don't know if Math insistence in TGP's joke is an early tunneling, uncommon thought process or scum focusing in a silly thing for a different purpose.
in no moment i did town read Math, and i don't believe that you truthfully believe that voting with someone that early implies that
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reading it again, i retract my opinion about almost50 having sole town motivations there, i'll look more in-depth later but why are you criticizing the discussion about TGP's joke when we've not been solely focused on him?
we talked about other slots, it's you that showed no interest in saying anything about them
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i don't understand why it's bad to explain all of your thought process. at least for me it's easier to understand what someone is thinking when they fully explain it and not only say "X scumlean, Y and Z town".In post 292, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Did you feel this way about Aronis and RC too? There are a number of people disengaged with this game. Why would you wait, instead of being the person to question him?In post 253, Yuurei wrote:i was almost voting on you for appearing to be disengaged with the discussions however i wanted to wait because you could be town trying to get someone to question you
I keep flip flopping my read on you. You have some posts that are very towny and others that I feel like you're overexplaining yourself.
about Aronis and radiantcowbells, i'm townreading cowbells for 243. it sounded like venting his frustration with past and ongoing experiences, and as i have been reading and keeping up with some games, i imagine i know why he said that. can't say more due to site rules.
Aronis hasn't said anything alignment indicative from my perspective, and i was waiting to see how far that would go on and how players would react about that. now we have even more content to discuss instead of a world where i try to force them to stop doing it.-
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i find funny how some players waited until other people had said a lot (while they themselves hadn't said anything remotely relevant) , then come to the thread now and begin casting shade. opportunistic. too opportunistic.
scumleaning hebichan just for that, although i find valid the point that she made about hws.
i'll look more in hws i suppose (i'm starting to collect data of him), an interesting side fact about hws is that he has a lot of scum games already, so if you want to collect data on his meta you've plenty of samples to do so
VOTE: hebichan-
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to people that already have played with them, is it normal that Aronis and Creature haven't said anything alignment indicative as of yet (but posted here) and we're already in page 13?
i give value to players that know each other play styles so i'll hear you, but i'm heavily wanting to scumlean that-
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ok, so we're going to lynch someone that we're not confident in being scum just because they are scum reading you and who you think that is town?
do you guys have that much confidence that you are right and not for example Luna? we're only in page 18, is everyone perhaps planning to lock reads this early? if you will probably change your reads later on, why lynching someone because they haven't the same early reads as you?
it's so arrogant that i'm even taken aback in playing this game. i wanted to vote Luna before, but not for these reasons.
i'm slightly enraged at this kind of behavior, so instead of pointing things out as usual, for now i'll do something else in my free time, because if i force myself to try it now i'm for sure badmouthing anyone that is in Luna wagon without truly scum reading the slot
the unique thing that i feel obligated to comment is that i for real had forgot the existence of some players, that doesn't only apply to her but a good example is Theta. she apparently lurked out real good, comes to the thread, ask about hebichan wagon (in other words, she didn't read the thread at all) however even without apparently reading, votes Luna stating that "she could get behind it". She hasn't even apparently read the thread, and when she shows up she hasn't anything to comment on or point out, finalizing with support in a Luna lynch even without knowing the reasons.
This is the kind of thing that hurts town the most if she's not simply scum.
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a post-thought: i was thinking along the lines that i could understand Theta's side if she said that she was busy but i suppose i'm not buying that anymore.
if she is busy, why does she comes and sign in to play a 18-p game when there's smaller games from what i saw looking around the site?
it doesn't makes sense to me.
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there's so many eager meta town reads floating around at this point that we're yet at page 21 however i feel as if we almost could win by PoE already?
i imagine there's two possibilities here:
I. we've a playerlist very knowledgeable and accurate about each other meta
II. these town reads are too eager and influenced by the confidence of some players that think they can meta read Z player (specially so early) when they can't and should drop their confidence a bit
i particularly believe that it's case II but i'm not arguing over it if everyone disagrees to reconsider
on a side note i'm losing my confidence in one of my town reads, but i'll save explanations for later
@Almost50 then because of that meta tell you are confident that creature is town even though i don't see alignment content from his posts? who in this game aside from you has meta knowledge in creature as well?-
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who i'm losing confidence about being town?
well, it's you radiant. i feel as if you're too taken aback from saying anything?
i mean, you said that people scum read effort coming from you but can you at least put the minimal amount of effort? voting for someone only because they are scum reading you it's bad and i imagine you know it-
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no, wait, i'm not scum reading you radiant.
i only said that i'm losing confidence in my town read, and i don't need you to tunnel anyone or hard push them, i really only wanted some opinions coming from you aside from your town reads that are mostly based on meta for now
however i guess there's a better system if you can't avoid being policy lynched while playing normally. i'll try to bounce off ideas with you when i'm thinking about something, although that doesn't mean i'm town reading you necessarily, i only want your point of view in the subject hoping that i can get more confident in reading your slot
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ok, i don't fully understand the creature meta thing but it seems like it's an accurate way to sort him.
i saw that we're warming up to a Theta wagon?
now that's something i can get behind and support. everyone, note that she comes again to the thread and only cares about defending herself rather than pointing out anything else.-
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i have periodically read the thread and don't feel like i've much to say. i'm getting lazy to play the game i guess?
Vecna, i did a quick research and read the games that almost50 linked about Creature and i suppose we can trust other players judgment on him.
i don't know who's right about ArchAngel (Northsidegal or Creature) so i'm not so interested in lynching her today.
my opinion about lynching Theta still hasn't changed as well, and i'll mull over if TGP bravado to push radiant is genuine or he's doing it in purpose to sound townie
there's so many different players reading different players as different alignments for different reasons (that very very often aren't explained) that it feels a bit chaotic here, i guess it's to be expected from a 18-p game perhaps?
i don't feel like arguing to push my reads over anyone else reads so i'll stay in my corner for a while, if you want to engage with me though it's no problem
edit: can Aronis please for all that's holy stop cluttering the thread? it's too much spam and now we're in page 25 or something and he still isn't engaged in discussing anything. are you guys sure that he's town? for me it sounds like he wants to avoid saying anything game relevant in purpose.-
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i guess my lynchpool is: {hewhoswims, theta, archwing, hebichan}
i feel better about Luna and later will explain why
oh, and it's important to say that although i didn't check Archwing yet, while collecting meta material in hewhoswims i saw he stating that he was busy with tests until June or something, then i'm willing to give him time to finish it and focus in the game more. i'll later check theta and archwing to see if they are genuinely busy or not as well but in theta case i don't like how she already came twice to the thread and didn't even comment about the game state, i would rather have some fence sitting as there is in hewhoswims posts than to have nothing as in Theta's posts.
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thinking well about it i'm more here: {theta, archwing}
hebichan at least seems to be engaged in the game and hewhoswims seems like will get engaged after the tests. i'll get a better read on them later. for now i want more to get rid of a slot that it's doing nothing, specially Theta that i've a scum read on-
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read the last few pages and here are my thoughts:
it seems worth mentioning that in my vision, keychain's, TGP's and Luna's votes seems to have more the purpose of make it look like they are "trying to catch scum" than to genuinely push their scum reads or get them lynched. dunno.
i don't get the reason for bandwagoning NSG though? it doesn't seem like anything changed in regards to her other than lower activity (when there's slots looking way worse in regards to activity)?
my lynchpool may or may not add one new name, but i still need more posts from Archwing and still want to lynch Theta-
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sorry for hardlurking i guess. i was catching glimpses of the game but couldn't bring the will to post out of me...
however hey, if i casually throw a bunch of unexplained reads and go with the flow like some people are doing, can i not post useful insights as well and be constantly lazy?
let's see:
"TGP is scum and Luna is scum, Theta null, aa9 null, creature town, hewhoswims scum"
sounds great right?
uhhh...
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i'll post as i catch up because i don't remember much of the posts so:
whyIn post 959, hebichan wrote:VOTE: Luna nova
Whatever, yada yada, if they flip town we lynch RC, yada yada.
why why why why whyIn post 966, hebichan wrote:
If both flip town, you're third.In post 962, northsidegal wrote:i get the feeling that things aren't going to turn out so well.
can i upvote this post?In post 968, northsidegal wrote:actually it's just a really ignorantly stupid comment.
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You slightly circle around TGP here too much in comparison to other slots, and why did you believe, even if remotely, in cowbells "guilty"? i can see town motivations which i'll not explain first, however i too can see using cowbells likely fake guilty as a reason to switch votes to Luna (which is a very silly reason).In post 973, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm not very impressed with Archwing's entrance. I thought Luna had the reaction to the NSG wagon. Math is pinging me like always.I think TGP looks mad so some reasons why he's mad at this spamfest would be nice? I don't think scum get mad at spamfests which typically tilt things in their favour. I'm fine with a wagon there until we get some real reads from his slot. HWS hasn't done much to assuage my paranoia there either.
RC has a guilty apparently, and though Hebi thinks NSG had a poor reaction I actually think A50 was worse.
VOTE: Luna
definition? a 3 headed hydra? you still have no clue of anything at this point?In post 1019, Theta Alpine wrote:ugh
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i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum
as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even withheads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition
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makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town povIn post 1145, RadiantCowbells wrote:define valid
by the way, can i simply talk as if everyone was town in the game until proved otherwise? will you guys not try to be silly calling that a "slip"?
it's bothersome to say "possible", "likely" and etc every time-
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well, i don't know exactly?In post 1149, Aronis wrote:
Isnt that the exact opposite of valid? Wouldnt that be invalid? Valid should mean make sense.In post 1148, Yuurei wrote:
makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town povIn post 1145, RadiantCowbells wrote:define valid
i used "valid" with the meaning of "it's possible to come from town and it's not utterly wrong", even if it's not grammatically correct.-
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well, i would say i'm new?In post 1118, Luna Nova wrote:@Yuurei are you an alt of a user who hasn't played on MS in awhile?
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if i ever town read you we can form a duo i supposeIn post 1119, MathBlade wrote:
It’s also fundamentally irrelevant. Yurrei is town. Not “bet the game” levels but damn near it.In post 1118, Luna Nova wrote:@Yuurei are you an alt of a user who hasn't played on MS in awhile?
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how are could we name it if it ends happening?
we need to be creative.
i see, although i've no idea who they are or how they usually playIn post 1152, RadiantCowbells wrote:i have higher expectations of the known members of that hydra than to do something that 'makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town pov'
in any case, i would still rather lynch Theta, but a Luna lynch isn't bad
VOTE: Luna
i was ready to argue back against the wagon though, until i saw the fake guilty reaction that is
i imagine that Luna is in L-2?-
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oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.In post 1156, Theta Alpine wrote:with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote
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you know, aside from keychain gaining a town lean for by how game solving she was, i imagine i didn't change my reads at allIn post 1158, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yuurei what are your reads outside of those two?
Town:
NSG, Creature (i'm sheeping consensus here)
Town lean
Cowbells, Keychain
Scum lean
Hebi, Hewhoswims, TGP
Scum
Theta, Luna
Rest is some tone of null and i don't know what to do with Vecna and Math although they posted quite a bit
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perhaps mastina?In post 1165, MathBlade wrote:
You’re also missing someone
Sads.
I have to go or I would comment more.
i could support a lynch there. think well about it:
although the flavor is great, it doesn't seem like she's trying tosortout alignments, what mostly implies that she alreadyour alignments, and that's a classic scum tell becauseknowonly scumwouldeveryone alignments.know
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The person you've been "pushing all day" is hewhoswims right? i don't know if you guys are on the same team or not, maybe only one of you are scum, maybe both, maybe neither. dunno about that. i'm scum leaning your play individually, and only after flips or getting a stronger read i would eliminate one player just because of the interactions with another playerIn post 1172, hebichan wrote:Wait, you're scumleaning me and the person I've been pushing all day and would still support lynching if there wasn't a horrible reaction by luna?
Do you think Swim and I could be on the same team?
in any case, about Luna iwouldn'tsupport the lynch if it wasn't because of that reaction to the fake guilty. even now i still rather want to lynch Theta, however Luna isn't a bad lynch at all.
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