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[Yuurei]

/confirm i guess?

[Yuurei]

i imagine TGP was joking?

VOTE: mathblade

[Yuurei]

i guess you maybe has a point then?

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...

[Yuurei]

thegoldenparadox, do you have experience playing with mathblade?

you are calling him "obvtown" very early

[Yuurei]

soft agree that calling MB obvtown is wacky

Apart from that idk what to say I've only played half a game with like 3 of you

Let's have fun still

VOTE: hewhoswims

[Yuurei]

is it bad that i don't have any good read as of yet?

northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?

also, aside from TGP i don't find anything alignment coming from Adonis posts

[Yuurei]

is it bad that i don't have any good read as of yet?

northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?

also, aside from TGP i don't find anything alignment coming from Adonis posts

You can hard lock me as town < 3

you are charismatic however i rather won't...

[Yuurei]

northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?

trust me, i can soulread keychain. i'm pretty confident in this.

i'll help you get a better read on her, but i don't know yet about trusting your read completely i guess?

VOTE: keychain

radiantcowbells, you disagree with northsidegal's scum read on keychain, however is that because you don't see alignment indicative content or because you town read keychain?

post edit: i imagine that voting her means null but i'm not editing my post

[Yuurei]

I would actually say keychain based on my reading is minorly +Rand town

i don't know the term "+rand town" so i'll interpret it as a very weak town read?

[Yuurei]

I would actually say keychain based on my reading is minorly +Rand town

i don't know the term "+rand town" so i'll interpret it as a very weak town read?

Rand is referring to Rand Paul and so it's a way of saying an insane town player essentially

thanks for explaining

VOTE: Yuurei

Ursula

is that a random or serious vote?

[Yuurei]

is that a random or serious vote?

It was a serious vote. Do you have a guess as to why I placed it?

Ursula

no, that's why i asked you?

do you have any thoughts about the keychain scum read?

[Yuurei]

i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke

Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?

[Yuurei]

i didn't find anything alignment indicative coming from Adonis Mathblade.

in that post you quoted i was curious about how northsidegal had find anything alignment indicative coming from Adonis

[Yuurei]

i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke

Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?

I think everything even subconscious actions have a motivation.

i think so as well, however these motivations can be "weak" in my vision

i mean, he simply wanted to joke, so he did it

that's the conclusion i came after thinking about it at least

[Yuurei]

i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke

Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?

I think everything even subconscious actions have a motivation.

i think so as well, however these motivations can be "weak" in my vision

i mean, he simply wanted to joke, so he did it

that's the conclusion i came after thinking about it at least

Something feels off about it. Like this gnawing.

ok, i'll take your "feels off" as a gutread or something similar.

but when you say about the "gnawing", are you perhaps referring to me?

[Yuurei]

i wanted to wait more but there's nothing much to comment about so i'm putting it in the table:

Ursula comes and vote me, i ask if it's a random or serious vote, it(he or she?) replies yes.

i ask why and what they think about keychain being scum read by her entrance post.

it comes to the thread again and replies to RC post below me, however not to any of my questions.

whatever it is, its motivation to vote me doesn't feel genuine if Ursula read my question, replied to RC, changed their avatar but didn't bother to explain or engage with the current discussion going on in the game about keychain, TGP or Aronis.

VOTE: Nova Luna

[Yuurei]

oh hell yes this is a wagon i can get on board with

let's kill the godawful hydra

VOTE: Nova Luna

reading this post i may or may not be worried that the hydra will get "bandwagon-ed" for reasons not game related

[Yuurei]

Northsidegal is probably town, I believe her Keychain read.

Ursula

so why aren't you voting keychain and didn't say anything about it until i brought up that you had not said anything?

[Yuurei]

Northsidegal is probably town, I believe her Keychain read.

Ursula

so why aren't you voting keychain and didn't say anything about it until i brought up that you had not said anything?

Ok let me rephrase what I said. I believe that Northsidegal is incredibly confident in her ability to read Keychain and genuinely believes she caught scum. This does not impact my keychain read.

I brought this up now as it wasnt something I decided on until I reread the thread recently.

Ursula

ok, that explain things better. i would like to hear your opinion about TGP, Aronis or Math as well, and can you talk me through your reason for voting me or you want to wait more to say it?

[Yuurei]

math, i was asking Ursula?

why are you so self-conscious?

[Yuurei]

ok, understood.

[Yuurei]

ok, that's a fair point Luna, but by now you ignored me twice and how come you write and vote "user: MathBlade".

If you don't give me a sound explanation i'm inclined to try lynching you for faking silliness

i can't imagine why you would write "user: Mathblade"

[Yuurei]

oh, ok, I suppose that it's not Ursula writing "user: X"

the tone feels different so i guess the "user: X" is a pun from another head

it simply seemed extremely odd if it was Ursula writing it

[Yuurei]

i imagine TGP was joking?

VOTE: mathblade

i guess you maybe has a point then?

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...

I don't buy this progression. Explain how you went from voting Math to voting with Math.

i thought TGP was joking and math was taking it too serious and trying to push TGP for a silly reason

Math says that he has experience with TGP and that it probably wasn't a joke. i vote with him to get the game going

TGP later admits that he was joking

i wonder about it all and get back to the conclusion that the joke is NAI

[Yuurei]

Are we going to spend the whole day talking about TGP's joke? I've tried to be goofy enough with series pf lame jokes/puns in hopes to catch some attention myself. Alas. Those who know me know me too well I suppose, and my ways are getting old, maybe?

Anyway, We can -perhaps- try to look at someone whose name's not abbreviated as TGP?? There are 17 other slots, y'know. One of which hasn't posted at all, so 16 other slots. Anything? Anyone??

i was almost voting on you for appearing to be disengaged with the discussions however i wanted to wait because you could be town trying to get someone to question you

looks like a town motivation now that you've revealed your intentions

in any case, what do you think of northsidegal's read on keychain and of my points about Luna?

[Yuurei]

i imagine TGP was joking?

VOTE: mathblade

i guess you maybe has a point then?

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...

I don't buy this progression. Explain how you went from voting Math to voting with Math.

i thought TGP was joking and math was taking it too serious and trying to push TGP for a silly reason

Math says that he has experience with TGP and that it probably wasn't a joke. i vote with him to get the game going

TGP later admits that he was joking

i wonder about it all and get back to the conclusion that the joke is NAI

So because the joke is NAI - all the reactions around it are NAI? I find it interesting that you're unable to give a stance on either Math or TGP explicitly when youve just admitted you were reaction testing and you voting with math implies a slight town read.

all TGP has is that joke

and almost all that Math said is about TGP's joke

i wasn't reaction testing, i found that Math reasoning was plausible if TGP wasn't joking, but when TGP clearly stated that it was a joke, i thought about it all again and ended up at my first conclusion: it was NAI. and i don't know if Math insistence in TGP's joke is an early tunneling, uncommon thought process or scum focusing in a silly thing for a different purpose.

in no moment i did town read Math, and i don't believe that you truthfully believe that voting with someone that early implies that

you're starting to be missrep here.

[Yuurei]

reading it again, i retract my opinion about almost50 having sole town motivations there, i'll look more in-depth later but why are you criticizing the discussion about TGP's joke when we've not been solely focused on him?

we talked about other slots, it's you that showed no interest in saying anything about them

and i mean it all with no offense intended

[Yuurei]

catching up while drinking coffee

if anyone want to bounce ideas with me while I'm at it just say so

coffee is pretty good today by the way

[Yuurei]

ok, i was waiting to see until that would go on but i can't wait anymore

anyone town reading Aronis explain me why please

he didn't anything alignment indicative in my vision

[Yuurei]

i was almost voting on you for appearing to be disengaged with the discussions however i wanted to wait because you could be town trying to get someone to question you

Did you feel this way about Aronis and RC too? There are a number of people disengaged with this game. Why would you wait, instead of being the person to question him?

I keep flip flopping my read on you. You have some posts that are very towny and others that I feel like you're overexplaining yourself.

i don't understand why it's bad to explain all of your thought process. at least for me it's easier to understand what someone is thinking when they fully explain it and not only say "X scumlean, Y and Z town".

about Aronis and radiantcowbells, i'm townreading cowbells for 243. it sounded like venting his frustration with past and ongoing experiences, and as i have been reading and keeping up with some games, i imagine i know why he said that. can't say more due to site rules.

Aronis hasn't said anything alignment indicative from my perspective, and i was waiting to see how far that would go on and how players would react about that. now we have even more content to discuss instead of a world where i try to force them to stop doing it.

[Yuurei]

i find funny how some players waited until other people had said a lot (while they themselves hadn't said anything remotely relevant) , then come to the thread now and begin casting shade. opportunistic. too opportunistic.

scumleaning hebichan just for that, although i find valid the point that she made about hws.

i'll look more in hws i suppose (i'm starting to collect data of him), an interesting side fact about hws is that he has a lot of scum games already, so if you want to collect data on his meta you've plenty of samples to do so

VOTE: hebichan

[Yuurei]

to people that already have played with them, is it normal that Aronis and Creature haven't said anything alignment indicative as of yet (but posted here) and we're already in page 13?

i give value to players that know each other play styles so i'll hear you, but i'm heavily wanting to scumlean that

[Yuurei]

i imagine i can townread northsidegal for her attempt to get a read on keychain so early as well

that's all i guess, i don't know what to make out of the rest of the players yet

radiantcowbells and northsidegal are my town reads

[Yuurei]

ok, so we're going to lynch someone that we're not confident in being scum just because they are scum reading you and who you think that is town?

do you guys have that much confidence that you are right and not for example Luna? we're only in page 18, is everyone perhaps planning to lock reads this early? if you will probably change your reads later on, why lynching someone because they haven't the same early reads as you?

it's so arrogant that i'm even taken aback in playing this game. i wanted to vote Luna before, but not for these reasons.

i'm slightly enraged at this kind of behavior, so instead of pointing things out as usual, for now i'll do something else in my free time, because if i force myself to try it now i'm for sure badmouthing anyone that is in Luna wagon without truly scum reading the slot

the unique thing that i feel obligated to comment is that i for real had forgot the existence of some players, that doesn't only apply to her but a good example is Theta. she apparently lurked out real good, comes to the thread, ask about hebichan wagon (in other words, she didn't read the thread at all) however even without apparently reading, votes Luna stating that "she could get behind it". She hasn't even apparently read the thread, and when she shows up she hasn't anything to comment on or point out, finalizing with support in a Luna lynch even without knowing the reasons.

This is the kind of thing that hurts town the most if she's not simply scum.

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[Yuurei]

a post-thought: i was thinking along the lines that i could understand Theta's side if she said that she was busy but i suppose i'm not buying that anymore.

if she is busy, why does she comes and sign in to play a 18-p game when there's smaller games from what i saw looking around the site?

it doesn't makes sense to me.

i imagine that she simply wasn't motivated to put effort, and that can very well come from scum that has no natural motivation to scum hunt.

[Yuurei]

there's so many eager meta town reads floating around at this point that we're yet at page 21 however i feel as if we almost could win by PoE already?

i imagine there's two possibilities here:

I. we've a playerlist very knowledgeable and accurate about each other meta
II. these town reads are too eager and influenced by the confidence of some players that think they can meta read Z player (specially so early) when they can't and should drop their confidence a bit

i particularly believe that it's case II but i'm not arguing over it if everyone disagrees to reconsider

on a side note i'm losing my confidence in one of my town reads, but i'll save explanations for later

@Almost50 then because of that meta tell you are confident that creature is town even though i don't see alignment content from his posts? who in this game aside from you has meta knowledge in creature as well?

[Yuurei]

who i'm losing confidence about being town?

well, it's you radiant. i feel as if you're too taken aback from saying anything?

i mean, you said that people scum read effort coming from you but can you at least put the minimal amount of effort? voting for someone only because they are scum reading you it's bad and i imagine you know it

[Yuurei]

no, it's that you're too taken aback from doing anything other than to town read people tbh, it's not like you've done nothing

[Yuurei]

no, wait, i'm not scum reading you radiant.

i only said that i'm losing confidence in my town read, and i don't need you to tunnel anyone or hard push them, i really only wanted some opinions coming from you aside from your town reads that are mostly based on meta for now

however i guess there's a better system if you can't avoid being policy lynched while playing normally. i'll try to bounce off ideas with you when i'm thinking about something, although that doesn't mean i'm town reading you necessarily, i only want your point of view in the subject hoping that i can get more confident in reading your slot

can we work like that?

[Yuurei]

i mean, i don't want to make the game not fun for you only because i'm having trouble reading you

before deciding in such a harsh conclusion i imagine we can find a way to work things out?

[Yuurei]

ok, i don't fully understand the creature meta thing but it seems like it's an accurate way to sort him.

i saw that we're warming up to a Theta wagon?

now that's something i can get behind and support. everyone, note that she comes again to the thread and only cares about defending herself rather than pointing out anything else.

[Yuurei]

i have periodically read the thread and don't feel like i've much to say. i'm getting lazy to play the game i guess?

Vecna, i did a quick research and read the games that almost50 linked about Creature and i suppose we can trust other players judgment on him.

i don't know who's right about ArchAngel (Northsidegal or Creature) so i'm not so interested in lynching her today.

my opinion about lynching Theta still hasn't changed as well, and i'll mull over if TGP bravado to push radiant is genuine or he's doing it in purpose to sound townie

there's so many different players reading different players as different alignments for different reasons (that very very often aren't explained) that it feels a bit chaotic here, i guess it's to be expected from a 18-p game perhaps?

i don't feel like arguing to push my reads over anyone else reads so i'll stay in my corner for a while, if you want to engage with me though it's no problem

edit: can Aronis please for all that's holy stop cluttering the thread? it's too much spam and now we're in page 25 or something and he still isn't engaged in discussing anything. are you guys sure that he's town? for me it sounds like he wants to avoid saying anything game relevant in purpose.

[Yuurei]

i guess my lynchpool is: {hewhoswims, theta, archwing, hebichan}

i feel better about Luna and later will explain why

oh, and it's important to say that although i didn't check Archwing yet, while collecting meta material in hewhoswims i saw he stating that he was busy with tests until June or something, then i'm willing to give him time to finish it and focus in the game more. i'll later check theta and archwing to see if they are genuinely busy or not as well but in theta case i don't like how she already came twice to the thread and didn't even comment about the game state, i would rather have some fence sitting as there is in hewhoswims posts than to have nothing as in Theta's posts.

edit: ok Math, if you say so i'll not read his spam as scum motivated, but i'm not town reading that

[Yuurei]

thinking well about it i'm more here: {theta, archwing}

hebichan at least seems to be engaged in the game and hewhoswims seems like will get engaged after the tests. i'll get a better read on them later. for now i want more to get rid of a slot that it's doing nothing, specially Theta that i've a scum read on

[Yuurei]

read the last few pages and here are my thoughts:

it seems worth mentioning that in my vision, keychain's, TGP's and Luna's votes seems to have more the purpose of make it look like they are "trying to catch scum" than to genuinely push their scum reads or get them lynched. dunno.

i don't get the reason for bandwagoning NSG though? it doesn't seem like anything changed in regards to her other than lower activity (when there's slots looking way worse in regards to activity)?

my lynchpool may or may not add one new name, but i still need more posts from Archwing and still want to lynch Theta

[Yuurei]

sorry for hardlurking i guess. i was catching glimpses of the game but couldn't bring the will to post out of me...

however hey, if i casually throw a bunch of unexplained reads and go with the flow like some people are doing, can i not post useful insights as well and be constantly lazy?

let's see:

"TGP is scum and Luna is scum, Theta null, aa9 null, creature town, hewhoswims scum"

sounds great right?

uhhh...

ok, i'll stop messing around and post something useful, let's see...

[Yuurei]

i'll post as i catch up because i don't remember much of the posts so:

VOTE: Luna nova
Whatever, yada yada, if they flip town we lynch RC, yada yada.

why

i get the feeling that things aren't going to turn out so well.

If both flip town, you're third.

why why why why why

actually it's just a really ignorantly stupid comment.

can i upvote this post?

thinking here that it's impossible for NSG/hebi be together in a scum team by the way

[Yuurei]

I'm not very impressed with Archwing's entrance. I thought Luna had the reaction to the NSG wagon. Math is pinging me like always.

I think TGP looks mad so some reasons why he's mad at this spamfest would be nice? I don't think scum get mad at spamfests which typically tilt things in their favour. I'm fine with a wagon there until we get some real reads from his slot

. HWS hasn't done much to assuage my paranoia there either.

RC has a guilty apparently, and though Hebi thinks NSG had a poor reaction I actually think A50 was worse.

VOTE: Luna

You slightly circle around TGP here too much in comparison to other slots, and why did you believe, even if remotely, in cowbells "guilty"? i can see town motivations which i'll not explain first, however i too can see using cowbells likely fake guilty as a reason to switch votes to Luna (which is a very silly reason).

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

definition? a 3 headed hydra? you still have no clue of anything at this point?

ok.
---------
cowbells 1031 is a good post. i agree partially with it aside from the fact that i find their vote on him is valid.

[Yuurei]

define valid

makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town pov

by the way, can i simply talk as if everyone was town in the game until proved otherwise? will you guys not try to be silly calling that a "slip"?

it's bothersome to say "possible", "likely" and etc every time

[Yuurei]

define valid

makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town pov

Isnt that the exact opposite of valid? Wouldnt that be invalid? Valid should mean make sense.

well, i don't know exactly?

i used "valid" with the meaning of "it's possible to come from town and it's not utterly wrong", even if it's not grammatically correct.

[Yuurei]

@Yuurei are you an alt of a user who hasn't played on MS in awhile?

Ursula

well, i would say i'm new?

@Yuurei are you an alt of a user who hasn't played on MS in awhile?

Ursula

It’s also fundamentally irrelevant. Yurrei is town. Not “bet the game” levels but damn near it.

if i ever town read you we can form a duo i suppose

how are could we name it if it ends happening?

we need to be creative.

i have higher expectations of the known members of that hydra than to do something that 'makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town pov'

i see, although i've no idea who they are or how they usually play

in any case, i would still rather lynch Theta, but a Luna lynch isn't bad

VOTE: Luna

i was ready to argue back against the wagon though, until i saw the fake guilty reaction that is

i imagine that Luna is in L-2?

[Yuurei]

ok, someone remember why we aren't lynching Theta instead?

Luna is bad but look at this ^

VOTE: Theta

[Yuurei]

no, it takes 10 to lynch and my vote was the 8th

whatever though, let's lynch Luna anyway because i feel like lynching you will be too bothersome right now

you're plainly being scummy but i'm the unique vote on you at this moment

VOTE: Luna

[Yuurei]

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.

however, do people fall for that trick though?

[Yuurei]

Yuurei what are your reads outside of those two?

you know, aside from keychain gaining a town lean for by how game solving she was, i imagine i didn't change my reads at all

Town:
NSG, Creature (i'm sheeping consensus here)

Town lean
Cowbells, Keychain

Scum lean
Hebi, Hewhoswims, TGP

Scum
Theta, Luna

Rest is some tone of null and i don't know what to do with Vecna and Math although they posted quite a bit

i'm almost leaning Almost50 as well, let's wait i guess

[Yuurei]

oh, and it's leaning town in Almost50. just saying if it's not clear

[Yuurei]

You’re also missing someone

Sads.

I have to go or I would comment more.

perhaps mastina?

i could support a lynch there. think well about it:

although the flavor is great, it doesn't seem like she's trying to

sort

out alignments, what mostly implies that she already

know

our alignments, and that's a classic scum tell because

only scum

would

know

everyone alignments.

i dunno why we are lynching Luna instead of Mastina but well, we can't have everything the way we want in life i guess

[Yuurei]

Wait, you're scumleaning me and the person I've been pushing all day and would still support lynching if there wasn't a horrible reaction by luna?

Do you think Swim and I could be on the same team?

The person you've been "pushing all day" is hewhoswims right? i don't know if you guys are on the same team or not, maybe only one of you are scum, maybe both, maybe neither. dunno about that. i'm scum leaning your play individually, and only after flips or getting a stronger read i would eliminate one player just because of the interactions with another player

in any case, about Luna i

wouldn't

support the lynch if it wasn't because of that reaction to the fake guilty. even now i still rather want to lynch Theta, however Luna isn't a bad lynch at all.

[Yuurei]

i'll take the silence in L-1 as if Luna hasn't any power role to claim?

[Yuurei]

if Luna flips scum i suppose Vecna is basically a innocent child walking

it takes too much guts to move from your partner wagon on L-1 so suddenly and try to start a counterwagon

seems unlikely and that's a interaction that i eliminate people from being a team, not if players are pushing each other

[Yuurei]

We are a

neighborizor

who cares lol.

is that perhaps your claim?

[Yuurei]

you know, wouldn't scum aim higher with the

first

claim in the game?

i suppose that if Luna is scum, her role isn't important at all.

i was expecting a better claim, like doctor, jailkeeper or something if she was scum because at least she could out one power role that town must have in a large theme

VOTE: unvote

maybe Luna isn't a good lynch on day 1 afterall?

VOTE: Theta

and can we get some votes on Theta already? i imagine i don't need even to explain her case?

and i can get behind a TGP lynch maybe.

only maybe though. i'll think about it.

[Yuurei]

oh, and Mastina, the flavor text in the votecounts are truly great

i mean, most of the times it even reflect what it's being discussed in the game

it's fun to read.

[Yuurei]

I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

wait, how are you close to a human neighborizer but it's not a neighborizer yourself?

isn't that completely different?

it's a large theme and if it's not

exactly

the same role, i don't think that outing yourself for a

similar

role is of any use

i don't know the specifics but are you

sure

that it's valid as a counterclaim and it's not possible for you guys to

coexist

?

[Yuurei]

and i mean, what would be the benefit of trying to out a neighborizer when you think about it?

if she was hunting for anything, she would claim Seer, Doctor, Jailkeeper or something powerful

neighborizer isn't even close to a powerful role in my opinion

[Yuurei]

Luna, how many shots your neighborizer is?

i mean, how does it work?

it creates a neighborhood with two, three or four people on it? (or more maybe?)

[Yuurei]

So uhh Mathblade counterclaims vaguely then changed their mind about that counterclaim? And Mathblade enjoys mislynching town or something. Anyone wanna lynch Mathblade for these awful shenanigans?

i don't think that it would be a good reason. the way that he jumped in the counterclaim thing seems to suggest that he was either indeed scum reading Luna or was too eager to force a possible mislynch. i find more likely to be the first case, and they probably aren't together as well.

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

i might as well join this wagon because after the claim thing, i might prefer a tgp lynch than a Luna lynch for today. and i'm not going to consider too much the next claims except for a few cases, because scum from now on could intentionally claim a weak power role hoping the same reaction i had of Luna's claim.

a Theta or hewhoswims wagon would still be more welcome though

[Yuurei]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Ehh his vote was really fucking awful, I know I won't get his but I wanna send a message.

Ursula

I mean both wagons are fine but look at this shiny thing.

Ursula

but it's only you voting him right?

if you start pushing him, makes the effort to case him and get some three votes there, i will totally get behind that

howeverrrr

start pushing his wagon by myself or only the two of us, sounds way too bothersome honestly, even more since i presumably would have to case it

i'm out for blood in a Theta wagon though and don't mind casing it because it's simply:

everything Theta has done is scummy. end of the topic.

VOTE: Theta

just come Luna, here's where the cool kids are supposed to be

[Yuurei]

Hmmm I just noticed that my role pm could be alluding that theres also potentially non-humans in the town

you can be a town lean just for this, i don't see a wolf exposing that kind of info to town, except in the case that you're one of the "non-humans" member of the Town.

and if i'm not wrong, the Town win con is to lynch all werewolves and there be at least one remaining human townie, isn't it?

considering that, if there exist for example a werewolf aligned with town, shouldn't they claim IF for town to win we need to lynch them?

or maybe when referring to "all werewolves dead" in the win con, mastina is exclusively talking about "bad" werewolves?

interesting because depending on the case, they should be, for their own sake and ours, a policy lynch. but only maybe, maybe the "all werewolves dead" is just for the bad werewolves.(if there exist such guys, don't claim before we make sure of it)

Any other possible non-human being relies mostly on alignment i guess? maybe there's aliens or something as well? (they wouldn't be human)

@mod if there's Werewolves aligned with the Town, and the Town win con includes "all Werewolves being dead", does the "Werewolves" that needs to be dead in town win con also includes the Werewolves aligned with the Town themselves or it's just about the "Werewolves" aligned with the likely faction "Werewolves"?

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[Yuurei]

so being human or not isn't as much alignment indicative as we thought?

interesting.

[Yuurei]

Hmmm I just noticed that my role pm could be alluding that theres also potentially non-humans in the town

Is it possible that there could be something else outside of human/wolf? Like a third species?

i think the real question is what the hell are we supposed to do.

let's for the sake of theories, say that there may be a third species or something similar.

if the town win con is to kill all the werewolves, wouldn't it mean that these third species, although generally are anti-town, in this game specifically wouldn't be a enemy?

and if our win con has nothing to with them, wouldn't it mean that them don't have anything to do with us as well?

in other words, if the win con of town is to kill the werewolves, it doesn't matter if there is third species, third parties or unicorns. we only need to get rid of the werewolves. that's all we gotta do based on our win con.

Maybe, depending of how mastina replies my question, we should instantly do a massclaim of species, saying "human" or "non-human".

of course the "bad" werewolves will be claiming human, but werewolves and other species aligned with the town (and that i suppose that need to kill other werewolves and sacrifice themselves) will have nothing to fear.

the unique problem is if there's roughly the same quantity of non-humans in town that there's of humans, because the human town win con is to have at least one

human

townie remaining.

that means that even if we're from the same alignment and will share common goals (eliminating the werewolves), we're not exactly the "same". maybe they need to have one

not-human

townie remaining, although that would be a

huge

problem

setup-wise

and i don't think that it's likely.

[Yuurei]

I don't agree to a species massclaim

It could just as easily out our strongest PRs or something else as much as not.

well, that may or not be true (it would probably get way easier to scum hunt though), but i imagine that the werewolves aligned with town specifically would need to claim in some point, because our win con state seems to imply that we need to get rid of all the werewolves, be they aligned with other werewolves or not. Although i'm not sure so i asked the mod about it.

depending of how things turn out to be, massclaiming "werewolf" and "not werewolf" is essential, even if the bad guys are going to lie.

[Yuurei]

well, that is...

if the non-humans win con isn't to get rid of all

humans

though.

but if it was that way, it would mean that alignments means

nothing

, and it's highly unlikely the case.

there may not even exist third species, only werewolves aligned with the town to confuse possible investigative roles.

[Yuurei]

or maybe all of the town is human and the werewolves are werewolves, meaning that we're simply confusing things?

[Yuurei]

I don't agree to a species massclaim

It could just as easily out our strongest PRs or something else as much as not.

Ankamius, we need to get rid of

werewolves

. "scum" are

werewolves

here,

even if they are from the same alignment that us

.

it's less to do with alignment and more to do with being human or werewolf, get it? that's why depending of what the mod says, it's important to make the massclaim and see if there is werewolves aligned with the town and policy lynch them.

in other words, if there's werewolves in "the Town", alignment has way less to do with anything. For example, as absurd as it sounds, if there is a human aligned with the "faction werewolves", we may not even need to kill them. All depending of how mastina replies my question.

that's...crazy...i know. but it's how i'm interpreting things here. species is just as important as alignment.

however, now that i think about it more carefully, it's better to not claim in

day 1

, and let to massclaim "human" or "non-human" when we get rid of the werewolves aligned with the possible "faction werewolves".

Because the "faction werewolves" very probably has a night kill and will use it to kill town, but we don't know if the town aligned werewolves are some kind of vigilantes with night kill and even if they aren't, we can simply massclaim

after

getting rid of the faction of werewolves.

[Yuurei]

in other words, back to scum hunting normally and i'll place mine here for now

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

[Yuurei]

it's less to do with alignment and more to do with being human or werewolf, get it? that's why depending of what the mod says, it's important to make the massclaim and see if there is werewolves aligned with the town and policy lynch them.

in other words, if there's werewolves in "the Town", alignment has way less to do with anything. For example, as absurd as it sounds, if there is a human aligned with the "faction werewolves", we may not even need to kill them. All depending of how mastina replies my question.

that's...crazy...i know. but it's how i'm interpreting things here. species is just as important as alignment.

Statements like these are why I'm scumreading you

i know right? talking about these kind of things are dangerousssss because everyone get paranoid. but it's true and i need to make it clear.

if we need to lynch the

species werewolves

, and there's humans aligned with the werewolves faction, instead of lynching the "human scum" we should lynch the werewolves aligned with us, town, to win.

honestly, if that is really the case, this setup is simply amazingly creative.

[Yuurei]

[*]

WIN CONDITION:

You win if all

Werewolves

are dead, and at least one

human

member of

the

Town

is left alive.

That's pretty clear to me

When Mastina say "human" it's not a faction, it's a

species

.

Look at how she says "

the

Town" which implies a

faction

.

In other words, there's the possibility of "werewolves" be talking about a species, not a faction.

i had thought about it since from the begin to be honest, but it sounded

way

too

crazy

, however, now learning that there may be non humans in the town, it makes some sense.

Anyway, we don't need to talk about this in day 1. It only becomes relevant after getting rid of the werewolf

faction

. If we don't win in that moment, we may need to find the werewolves inside town for example.

[Yuurei]

yeah, and that's why it's simply a speculation (although not useless) and i'm saying it's better to just go as usual for now.

[Yuurei]

If the conclusion is to ignore it until it's more relevant, then how is it not useless.

it's relevant doesn't matter what, but not exactly now.

if we need to lynch the

species

werewolves, alignment isn't as meaningful as we would like it to be, although it's optimal to first lynch the "bad werewolves" before the supposedly "townie werewolves".

if we need to lynch the

faction

werewolves, being human doesn't mean

anything

.

if a faction doesn't determine your species, it means that the Town might very well have werewolves, and the werewolves faction might very well have humans.

The question is whether we should look for a faction, or a species. But even if we need to look for a species, we still need to consider that species likely faction by associatives because for example, it's optimal to lynch "bad werewolves" first instead of the townie ones that can have a power role.

honestly, i'm praying that i'm utterly wrong, because this game is really confusing if what i'm saying is the truth.

[Yuurei]

OK, so there are double roles on the town side? One that is Human and one that is a WW "who cares"?? Is that what you guys are saying or am I misunderstanding?

yeah, there is some other things that comes with the fact species=/=alignment but in a basic level yes, it's as you said.

There's probably humans in the werewolf faction as well.

The plan is to probably lynch the werewolves from the werewolf faction and from any other faction that there may exist, and when we're done, proceed to lynch the werewolves in the town faction (that at that point should probably claim by themselves and get policy lynched).

The basic concept is the same, but there is some differences, and they are hell confusing.

For example, in theory, lynching werewolves of any kind should be beneficial, but if the first werewolves lynched are from town, we're making the scum

faction

get closer to majority anyway, and that's why we need first lynch the werewolves that aren't from town.

"Lynch the Wolves" is a good name for this setup indeed.

In any case, we're back to normal scum hunting for now.

[Yuurei]

haven't read anything since my last post, tomorrow I probably will do the effort.

I remember prefering to lynch HWS rather than Luna today, so since the TGP wagon seems like lost momentum

VOTE: hewhoswims

aside from Luna, hewhoswims wagon looks quite nice and what I can't help but notice is that TGP still has a weird vote pattern

[Yuurei]

Woah, there was crumbs going on in day 1?

But what is the purpose of crumbing in day 1 in the first place? Of course it make your claim more valid afterwards, but is it worth the risk of scum noticing it and killing you?

Anyway, I still want to lynch Theta over Vecna probably. I even remember that Vecna posted something that suggested him not being a wolf.

[Yuurei]

you know, I'm really beginning to crave to defend Vecna here and try a lynch in objectively better targets but if Vecna flips scum it would be a pain in the ass afterwards so...

gl gl gl avoiding the lynch Vecna

[Yuurei]

oh, and of course I'm still voting here

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[Yuurei]

I was bored of faking being an alt anyway

continuing, Theta, I think that if it's a serial killer and not a vigilant, they would be way too overpowered.

Mastina recently posted in a multi ball thread in mafia discussion commenting on how she didn't like to give alignments with unfair chances of winning and liked to give everyone the same chances.

In other words, she hates serial killers and would only put they if they had very good additional powers.

I don't think so, but if there is a serial killer I suppose they would have night kill immunity AT THE MINIMUM. But seriously, It would be more probably a survivor and not a serial killer because town win con is strictly either lynch the faction werewolves or lynch all the players from the species werewolves (I think it's the former).

I can buy though the theory of a werewolf serial killer that can't be killed by other werewolves. Yeah, that is more or less balanced maybe.

[Yuurei]

ah right forgot about that

more likely a vig then

let me reread vecna again and see what i think about that

no, the thing is, maybe it's not a vig either. I'll not point out who, but they have made a crumb that makes having a vigilante here really little sense.

I've a crazy theory but ohh welll, let's not go there yet, too much of a hassle I guess.

[Yuurei]

wait, why am I discussing things with Theta...

Theta my buddy, can you self vote and help me here?

thanks

[Yuurei]

okay i am up for a vecna lynch

VOTE: vecna
you have been pushing for a few mislynches throughout the game including tgp

you realize that you and like, all of us, were scum reading TGP right?

You realize as well that you voted on Luna and even gave intent to hammer before right?

so like, question time is

why the hell are you scum reading Vecna for that if a lot of people have done the same thing including you. Plus, the most amusing thing to me is not that you're voting Vecna here, but that you're ONLY pushing that slot when there's people that did the same things and you HAVE NOT EVEN A MENTION OF VECNA IN YOUR ISO BEFORE. But now a wagon is on Vecna and you show up here again magically saying "yeah guys, that thing is flipping scum, sure" as you did with Luna. It seems you did the same thing with hewhoswims and TGP as well, calling them scum when there was a consensus of calling them scum.

For all that's holy how are you town here Theta?

But well, I don't care anymore, you guys can lynch Vecna I guess. It's not that bad of a lynch but you know, Vecna was the one to begin talking about there being werewolves in town. That is the kind of information that I don't see werewolves sharing at all so that's one point for the slot.

[Yuurei]

wait Nosferatu, by saying that "I don't think that this is scum after the Luna flip", do you mean me or Theta?

and why specifically if it's Theta because I'm not seeing it.

[Yuurei]

Mathblade if your vote doesnt land on luna in the next 24 hours im doing everything in my power to get you lynched today you drunk scumbucket

My working theory/wildly crazy moonlogic is that Mathblade / Ankamius / TGP are scum, together with someone else (potentially creature). Now let this flip town to confirm my suspicions.

wait a moment, I admit that I hadn't read some pages of the game at all but...

was reviewing things now and woah, these post are as bad as Theta's posts.

and look, Theta posts are pretty bad.

I'll read more but yeah, I can see the you guys point.

Although I need to say that it sounds more like crazy town that doesn't care if they will look bad or not and just are focusing in scum hunting?

scum already have all the information therefore have way better odds of looking better at the flips or actions

[Yuurei]

I mean, he wants Math to vote in Luna and when Luna flipped town he wants to scum read Math.

Like, someone help me here understand this please

[Yuurei]

Hell he might've gotten all four

wot

wait wait wait wait

how the hell can he have pegged four if TGP already flipped town?

and for what exactly he scum read Creature for?

I mean, I've problem seeing scum!Creature doing all the post of #677 to #685 and a couple of other things as well

Aronis, are you reading the game?

answer honestly.

[Yuurei]

no wait, how do you know that there is exactly four scum Aronis?

[Yuurei]

no, I'm more interested in hearing why you thought of the scumteam as exactly four people.

[Yuurei]

ok, Aronis, question time

do you want to talk me through what you are up to in this game or something?

I mulling over it but I'm beginning to think that you're a even better lynch than Theta for a lot of reasons.

[Yuurei]

okay you've pissed me off and I'm calling you on your bullshit

cut that setup spec thing, you were considering up until now that there were two scum factions here and have been pushing Math repeatedly

now how come you forget about your consistent second mafia faction thing and just suppose that this is a multi ball?

[Yuurei]

ops, said wrong:

"now how come you forget about your consistent second mafia faction thing and just suppose that this is a single ball?"

you've been for plenty of time supposing that this is a multi ball but suddenly say that it's 14:4, thus it's for sure "balanced" and when I call you out for anything you begin getting desperate and voting me

there's other things as well that I don't feel like saying now, however YOU KNOW IT, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW IT, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS REPEATEDLY

[Yuurei]

now you even come with the "death godfather" thing to justify the fact that you're saying that TGP can be scum even after flipping town. it's ridiculous.

and although I don't beat the game in Creature being town yet, I suppose I'm not alone when I say he's been fairly town in his own meta.

[Yuurei]

ops, said wrong:

"now how come you forget about your consistent second mafia faction thing and just suppose that this is a single ball?"

you've been for plenty of time supposing that this is a multi ball but suddenly say that it's 14:4, thus it's for sure "balanced" and when I call you out for anything you begin getting desperate and voting me

there's other things as well that I don't feel like saying now, however YOU KNOW IT, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW IT, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS REPEATEDLY

Omg yuurei just changed from saying this was multiball to singleball. after just 1 post too. What a 180° omg. SCUMSLIPPPPP

you are ironic about the fact that you never truly thought that this was single ball but justify your reasoning of there being exactly four scum "because it's single ball" but that isn't something to be ironic about

serious Aronis, you know what is holding me back from lynching you but I'm willing to even let that go and just lynch your ass right now

[Yuurei]

did that happen in your masonry Aronis?

[Yuurei]

ok, I can give Aronis a scum read.

I still want to lynch Theta more but I can join on there as well.

Next.

[Yuurei]

VOTE: Aronis

if you don't have something pretty big up on your sleeve and I'm being a idiot by not realizing I'm getting 101% salty with you post game Aronis

you've been fucking around so much that it's not even a joke anymore

[Yuurei]

VOTE: Yuurei

explanations

even more when you had already retracted your scum read on me.

do you want me to do in details of why Aronis is fucking things up here?

It'll only benefit scum but I'm so pissed that I can do it right now.

[Yuurei]

VOTE: Yuurei

explanations

even more when you had already retracted your scum read on me.

do you want me to do in details of why Aronis is fucking things up here?

It'll only benefit scum but I'm so pissed that I can do it right now.

that was yesterday.

Today is today.

I have no idea what the fuck aronis is on.

My scumreads are in you, vecna, RC and ank.

oh I see, so you're going to flip flop on me like that without giving any explanations?

if today is today give me why you're voting me today

and I'm saying about Aronis because the unique thing that I can remotely understand you doing here is scum reading me for "pressuring" someone that claimed "masons", but the level of messing around that Aronis is doing here is next level, but I'm asking:

do you want me to explain EXACTLY why?

It'll benefit only scum, that's all I'll say before putting things on the table

[Yuurei]

why can't you understand that all the people I was hard scumreading were town?

Given that I have to look at the vote record,

and between you voting me and all around only voting town yesterday

, I don't know what else to tell you.

Hebichan, you realize that you voted on the same people right? and that you even were one of the late votes on Luna right?

but my read on you and Theta for example, although considers that, relies on plenty of other things as well

Plus, my top scum read from the begin of this game to now it's Theta. I wanted to vote Theta like 99% of the time in this game, cased her but no one gave a fuck. I only go to vote TGP or HWS later because I prefer them to a Luna lynch.

I understand you reevaluating things but it's your third read on me already and you don't have much to back it up

I didn't particularly strong town read your play yesterday, and I'm trying to revulate what happened. If you want me to stop voting you, get off this aronis bullshit and help me figure out where scum actually is because you don't seem to actually scumread him that hard.

No, I scum read him hardly, but I'm simply balancing things because he can simply be a VI this time around.

By the way, I think that my suggestion to who to lynch is pretty clear and no one pointed out anything wrong with it:

THETA.

[Yuurei]

I just noticed another yuurei scum slip

Look at their title

It's a 'goon' aka the basic scum role. Nobody calls townies goons

VOTE: yuurei

wow, stopped self voting already?

where's all that rage guy?

[Yuurei]

by the way it's cringe worth how Aronis can't say any good reason to vote me so make puns as a reason

did the same thing quite a few times with other people as well

[Yuurei]

no wait, hebichan must be town.

When she claimed that hws wasn't scum I thought that she was planning to carry out a Seer claim or something that would make us hesitate to lynch her later on, but claiming to be a PT investigative isn't going to prevent her lynch at all, therefore her motivation to do it either was a very well planned attempt to get town credit, or to purely inform us that HWS wasn't scum.

I don't believe that she would list out a very viable supposedly mislynch while not getting too much town credit like as how it happened. Not only that, I don't know if scum would fake claim something like PT investigative when it's kind of risky, although it seems reasonable based on the fact that it seems to exist a lot of private topics in this game.

Hmmm...yeah...I feel good calling Hebichan town right now. If anyone disagree you can say why.

[Yuurei]

by the way it's cringe worth how Aronis can't say any good reason to vote me so make puns as a reason

did the same thing quite a few times with other people as well

Look at your initial push on me

That was God awful and scummy at

And my self vote was more depression and defeat that was quickly vanquished when hebichan saw the light. I don't self vote out of rage

Aronis, let's stop this cherry picking but I'm not changing my opinion about you at all.

Plus, "god awful"?

We were scum reading Luna because of a "imo" in the end of her sentence, but when you say "all of the four scum" as if you knew that there was exactly four scum, it's "god awful"?

serious?

[Yuurei]

I kinda just preempted the HWS thing, both because hes an easy mislynch given my misread and also he is a lurker.

I also didn't want to be called out on flipping on HWS out of the blue.

yeah and I don't see scum motivation in doing that right now so I'll give you a town read

(and I don't think you guys are scum together because it was too sudden and risky your innocent on him)

[Yuurei]

ok, so I cooled my head a bit and here is where I'm at now:

I. Vecna was the first one to share the information that there potentially may exist werewolves aligned with town. Something that doesn't have much scum motivation to it since we were assuming that werewolf = scum, and human = town. If there's werewolves aligned with town there may very well be humans aligned with scum and exposing that isn't doing any favors to the bad guys. It's actually the opposite.

II. Hebichan recently did claim a innocent on hewhoswims since he apparently aren't in any PT (and scum very probably has a PT), so Hebichan and Hewhoswims seems like town

III. Aronis and Nosferatus have their claim and I'm going to look at that later depending of how things develop, for now they can get out of my lynch pool but I'm upset with Aronis anyway

IV. Creature has some posts being too jerky and condensing to be scum!Creature in my opinion (for example 654 677, 682), if I'm wrong here call me out because I'm no specialist in Creature.

My issue is with Ankamius and Mathblade.

> Ankamius after hebichan claimed to be a PT investigative asked if her requested PT would count in hebichan investigation, I would like to town read it but maybe she's trying to get a excuse to use in case of hebichan getting a guilty on her. However, the thing is, why didn't she waited until hebichan investigated her if that was the case? I want to town lean but I'm indecise here

> Same thing can be said about Math. He instantly counterclaimed Luna even when his role is apparently a bit different. That kinda implies that he truly thought Luna was scum fake claiming because if he was scum, he would know she wasn't lying and when she flipped a neighborizer, things would get ugly to him. Of course there is the probability of him not thinking it through and just claiming for a quick lynch, but again, I'm indecise but I want to town lean here
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Now, the funny thing is that I'm losing confidence in all of my d1 reads. I'm obviously not one that can blame her since I did it myself, but NSG is lurking. NSG lurking isn't necessarily alignment indicative, maybe she's simply disinterested in the game. However, it's not a good sign.

About RC I'm more leaning towards null. His frustration in day 1 seemed genuine because I saw a game that he was in such a situation, so I uninterested in a lynch here right now even though I'm null on him.

Keychain is...well...normal...? I mean, I don't see anything scummy in her posts (I'll re:read), however I don't see anything that can't be faked as well. Even if she seems to put effort in scum hunting.

The rest of the player list I don't have much to say, they have good points but have bad points so compared to my other reads, I'm putting they in my lynch pool.

That's all I guess.

[Yuurei]

Town
Vecna, Hebichan, Creature

Don't want to lynch today
Ankamius, Mathblade, NSG, RC, Keychain

Null
Cheeky, ArcAngel9

Scum
Theta Alpine

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There's probably one scum in "Don't want to lynch today" by the way.

I preferentially want to lynch Theta today but can support a lynch on Cheeky or ArcAngel.

[Yuurei]

oh, and hewhoswims is town

and Aronis and Nosfestarus is in "Don't want to lynch today".

If I had to drop someone from "don't want to lynch today" it would be keychain because I don't know how to read her and her posts seems pretty null

[Yuurei]

y'all really keep believing the mason claims im dead

I see, so Aronis was messing around

I deal with him later and I can give you a town lean for telling the truth I suppose

[Yuurei]

Now we're talking Cheeky!

VOTE: Theta

[Yuurei]

wait, I honestly hadn't even saw that post from definition but I dunno if scum figured it out or not, and I searched it up and it seems like that was the name of a hydra from some old players, and apparently, the unique game they played they were indeed a town mason.

But I dunno if that really was a soft...

[Yuurei]

oohhhh, so that is from where Theta come saying that Definition was a hydra?

wow, skimming through some posts isn't a good idea after all

Ok Vecna, now I get your point of view although I'm still considering how to interpret everything and disagree with a few things.

[Yuurei]

I could do Theta but I really really want Vecna.

Theta to be frank is someone who if they are scum as I suspect will crumble rather easily under pressure. However people like that don’t spew other buddies either.

And don’t be mad but Aronis is almost certainly town. I doubt the mason claim but I am pretty sure he is town.

no, now I can see Aronis maybe as town. Because I think he had noticed the Definition mason claim back there and was having similar thoughts with Vecna about you guys.

However one thing about him still is ??? to me.

Anyway, the problem is that I don't really scum read either you or Vecna, and I don't get what's up with Definition/Ankameus slot.

But if I had to choose between giving you or Vecna a town read, I think I would choose Vecna honestly.

Though maybe scum is outside of you guys. Who knows.

[Yuurei]

Vecna or Theta.

Still don't get Vecna thing but yeah, Theta is good.

now I'll go back to watch anime and lurk

thanks for you attention everyone

[Yuurei]

actually I already caught the soft to who is in Math's hood

that's one of the reasons I think if he is scum here, it's not because of the counter claim thing but because of how he circles on definition soft

I'm pretty sure that it's more than 2 people by the soft, so it's either 3, 4 or 5. If it was a fakeclaim being cooked up, it would mean that more than likely more than half of the scum team would be in it.

Do you think that scum team takes that kind of risky so easily for...not much in terms of rewards?

I don't think so.

[Yuurei]

Also, if this neighbourhood with invite/kill does work the way I think it might, and if it did start with only 2 people, I do hope the town person(s) in there realize that if they invited a second scum in there and they could be the kill tonight, that its at least prudent to somehow soft subtly somewhere whose in it. Because the way I understand it, it can serve as a second scum night kill for the remainder of the game, and would probably be very high on the scum priority list to get their buddy invited into. If it started out with 3 people that is probably a lot less realistic to have been their aim.

Now this is what I'm not getting here Vecna:

You thought that Math was cooking up a masonizer or something and he was scum because of it, but now suddenly, you realize that by the way that Math was talking (important to note that he is making it very obvious that he has powers and apparently isn't afraid of dying to scum so it's something bad) appoint to something more similar to a neighbourhood that can likely invite or kill people.

If you're scum here and thought that Ankamius was a mason, in a first thought I don't think you would push them today, but this 180º in your thought process isn't cool at all

[Yuurei]

Anyway, I would rather not lynch Math today. He's townish-null to me and Theta in my vision is simply plainly scum here

VOTE: Theta Alpine

I think I was already voting but doing it again hoping for momentum

[Yuurei]

@mod replace me

site flaking here but guys, last thing I want to say is that a team of Vecna/Math isn't impossible here (although I'm not saying it's likely). Just...don't rule that out.

by the way I recently saw the finished game where I said that RC was "frustated" and had a hot debate with MathDino. RC was actually scum (It's newbie 1873).

So yeah, completely null. Although there is way way way better lynches today.

Good luck.

[Yuurei]

and I mean, Vecna only makes sense as scum here if she/he is scum with Math in my vision.

bye bye

[Yuurei]

Ah...I still didn't get replace by now...

hmmm....ok...

I guess I'll post a bit more here since I'm bored but...Mastina, you still should replace me when you're able to.

[Yuurei]

First thing is that if RC and NSG are scum together I can drop my hat to RC because If he was buddy with her I would for sure expect him saying "NSG replacing is a scumclaim, let's lynch immediately guys" because I think that when someone becomes dead weight, if he is buddy with the slot he is more prone to just get rid of it. NSG replacing is pretty bad, but not a "scumclaim". However, I don't think that the slot survives much more.

At face value, RC, that is known for having a high accuracy in reading NSG, letting her alive until day 3 is scummy. But only at face value. If he is town here he would take more care in saying that NSG is for sure scum because he knows that sometimes she simply get disengaged with the game + something something that I'm not talking about here although It's no secret by this point anymore.

Anyway, that doesn't say anything about RC and NSG themselves, just that I find unlikely that the two of them are scum together so...NSG flipping scum gives RC towny points IN MY VISION.

I don't put confidence on it but Cheeky may be either town or scum together with RC but RC should know it better than me. I replaced once in a scum slot of her and

1) she wasn't engaged with the game

because

of rolling scum
2) she used to be able to be read by tone alone, she talked trying to pamper people

but the two being scum together doesn't see that far off.

Theta still scum and RC has plenty of points on Math. In a tone read I would call him scum, the way that he talks give weird vibes, but I find odd his actions if he is scum, and added with the fact that he has an actual power role, I would for sure let him slide for today and lynch more scummy people: either AA9 or Theta. I just hope that if Math is town he can town it up.

Maybe the team is inside [NSG, Math, Theta, AA9, Aronis, Ankamius, Nosferatus]?

If you guys have a good track of reading Nosferatus you can eliminate him too.

But the problem is, RC, you that are better at me at reading NSG, does she get annoyed at Math as buddy as she was back there? Seemed pretty genuine to me?

If RC is scum I would let him alive a little more , as long as you guys don't just nod with his scum reads/pushes that is. If someone lynch RC today, let's be honest, it's more due to paranoia than a real scum read.

bye bye I guess?

[Yuurei]

GG had fun while it lasted. I totally called out 2 scum (in my head) to buddy up with! (math and titus), until I saw something I should not have.

**Shakes fist a yurie**!

heh, sorry..

sorry for giving you trouble as well mastina...

I wonder what would've happened if I had Yuurei's slot...

If I had all that info on the setup a lot earlier, the game might have swung very differently

mmmh, indeed I had some info but I think that you guys thinking are flawed in relation to Nos being able to be a vig innocent child early.

The fact is that I actually didn't know that Nos was my partner in the begin due to a small mod mistake (I had a X instead of Nos name so I didn't know who my partner was), but that anyway isn't the biggest problem.

You guys are all thinking that mafia should just claim day 1 and became invencible. That's right but...it only works if it is a open setup?

If it is a closed setup, the mafia traitor won't know that his partner is vig-immune and supernatural-imune (it doesn't say anything in the role pm), all you will know is that you have a partner, he shoots at night and either of you need to survive until endgame. Yes, you will probably come to the conclusion that he has some extra powers but how can you come to be 100% confident that your partner is immune to block roles (that you didn't know if scum had or not), and as well immune to shots?

It would be 101% just speculation.

Not only that, but saying "hi I am mafia and win with town but need to survive" would normally lead to:

1. people doubting you and you getting probably lynched
2. scum being able to kill you by night and that would make you drop your odds of winning, be scum lynched in the end or not.

not only that, if I had outed Nos and he didn't was BOTH vig-immune and supernatural-immune (and I didn't know that he was), we would just have drastically dropped our chances of winning and the chances of town winning as well, since scum not only would come to kill us, but people would doubt us and scum as well could block our night actions (all I knew was that Nos actually could shot at night, so I didn't want people blocking him of course).

It makes exact 0 sense to actually come out and say "I am mafia and this is my partner" if you don't know about the details of Nos's role.

and as a traitor, you don't know about the details of Nos's role, and as a survivor faction you normally...needs to stay alive.

said that, it is kinda...well...overpowered?

in a different way though.

for example, if Nos was about to get lynched, I think he would probably claim mafia vig, and once he explained that he was immune to all scum night actions, it surely would come down to the mafia traitor confirming that they are their partners and if people doubted them, the traitor simply had to die and prove it to everyone.

I mean, it is really hard for scum to deal with something like that, Nos chances of dying even though he was the vigilant were pretty low since the unique way to get rid of him, by lynching, would actually probably give a "innocent child vigilant" to town.

I think the best way to counter that would be not telling the traitor who is their partners, but again, only if it is a closed setup, if it is a open and we know about these roles, it would be of course broken.

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About the info of there being factions aside from town and werewolves...well..I kinda extremely hinted on it to everyone? My posts about setup speculation were actually telling that, and I didn't really had any mod confirmed info about that other than to know that my own faction existed, it was just a bit of speculation.

for last, the lynch mob...well, mastina said that we missed something about the lynch mob rules but when I was reading I didn't get it? or maybe it was actually what I said early about claiming non human, being added to the lynch mob and making sure that if the other two humans were lynched we would have a guilty or a innocent?

I suggested that as well but later retracted because it could (and would) end up revealing power roles. It would work it out if we had control over Luna's neighboor abilities but it was pretty complex imo.

anyway, I can be just being dumb but I don't think that I played my role THAT MUCH wrongly?

I didn't play well this game though.

[Yuurei]

oh wait, reading the PT mod I remembered I actually had the ability to ask for fakeclaims and try to get some info by speculating what mastina sent me.

yeah, that was helpful but when I had replaced out, I had already hinted what I thought it was good information from what I received (mainly that there may be more than one survival faction and there may be non humans in town). I can have missed something else though.

aside from that, I got a good laugh out of Math in the werewolf PT saying that I would be his "pet" (pocketing).

I mean, I super understand him. I often like to side with people and was pretty passive in this particular game but the fact is that I am too paranoic to be a good "pet". I suspect everyone and if I didn't know my own role I would suspect myself as well.

I replaced out before it but in the dead thread I gave some good screams about Math dying.

About the game...well, it sure was a huge comeback? I was thinking that scum would surely win this but oh well, in the last moment things got off-track for them?

What they needed to win here in some early days? a lynch + a shot on someone other than scum?

well, it was close anyway.

This game did teach me that I have no idea of how to properly read RC though, so when I feel like he is being scummy I will just kinda lynch him?

I was like "what if he has a big plan", but the thing is, would it really be town fault to ruin someone plan because while executing that plan the person sounded scummy?



This game was kinda weird to be honest, a devourer claim (I know that setup wise it is not unexcusable but like, it sounds so bad to say "I am a devourer" when the game is about WEREWOLVES). Yeah, that is tricky.

A seer claim coming from...scum. I mean, I thought that he was suspicious for claiming seer and that was...his real role...but he was scum...

Math claims got weirder and weirder (I know he had little choice though, he was being cornered by PoE so he had to try to do something). in the end they were so weird that quite a few times I thought "but is this really coming from scum? it is just too weird".

idk about AA9 slot because I kinda skipped some pages.

Oath/glowball played well here. Ank too. I felt as well glowball's uncertainess about being alone or not there though, I too was like "is there only one vampire, really?" but oh well, you had that revive shot so it was balanced I guess.

Anyway, gg everyone.

[Yuurei]

oh right, for last, thanks mastina for modding and Nos for being the hero of some nights and shooting scum when we needed.