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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:51 am

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Votecount 2.14

Dunnstral (3)
- northsidegal , Keyser Söze , the worst
Ausuka (2)
- Eragon , Reundo
northsidegal (1)
- Toranaga
Reundo (1)
- Ausuka
Keyser Söze (1)
- Nauci

Not voting: Dunnstral , Irrelephant11

The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:52 am

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Eragon is the new Errant
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:52 am

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In post 1072, Nauci wrote:P.S. The Eragon slot is like hard gliding right under everyone's radar and that should bother all of y'all a lot
this is fair and accurate news
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:53 am

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VOTE: Dunnstral

from here on out just voting whoever I'm supposed to vote.

if anyone sees me signing up for a Mafia game ever again please spam my inbox reminding me not to
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 519, Eragon wrote:
In post 500, the worst wrote::ok_hand:
red flip d1 feels good man

drunk ducky gonna slep now gngn
I think this is actually TMI, because he was already like “red flip Day 1 feels good”

I mean, town never KNOWS that the person is scum unless a TI has a guilty, but TW acted like he KNEW volxen was scum, not HOPING that volxen was scum and not actually watcher.
this is the first kinda towny post in eragon's ISO. I didn't like some stuff and kop was hard null.

still reading...
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:58 am

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In post 1078, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral

from here on out just voting whoever I'm supposed to vote.

if anyone sees me signing up for a Mafia game ever again please spam my inbox reminding me not to
If I've insulted you personally I'm genuinely sorry! I hate when it starts to feel personal.
I wish you would go more in depth on your reads, though, because atm I don't understand them
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:59 am

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eragon's ISO: his reads list seem good, his thoughts seem towny on a surface level

could be scum but it's not really standing out as such and would be a poor lynch
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 1070, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1059, Irrelephant11 wrote:mm swap keyser and the worst, the evidence mounting on keyser from many slots is a lot
Sorry keyser I'm enjoying your presence but I think you have high scum equity
Volxen knew I was town and formed his limited pushes around that.
Kop has a 100% read accuracy read on me.
You know I am town really and shouldnt be lynched today.
My D1 reads were solid.
Do you think I am underperforming as town?
-A reasonable way to look at it, but it is pretty weird how you didn't call out him trying to pocket you if that was the case
-Okay, sure, I'll give this a tiny bit of weight
-I definitely don't prefer your lynch but if my townreads push you I'm not sure I want to get in the way anymore (pretend I wrote this in a less scummy-sounding way)
-meaningless, as scum can be however right/wrong with their reads as they want
-No, so I'll give this some weight too

g2g bye
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:05 am

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it's very possible I antagonized ausuka so hard on d2 that she can't really see me being town for it, and then started that associative read with TW cause he was just siding with me and sheeping it.

I think town eragon is generally townier than this, but if eragon is scum he is putting a very decent effort and looking towny at a few points in this ISO.

I'm having a very difficult time trying to find a proper lynch that isn't NSG, which might reduce the whole thing to just flipping dunnstral and hoping it flips scum

but anyone doing so should take into consideration that he literally shaded volxen's entire wagon when it was L-2 on d1. which isn't a pro-town thing to do, but it doesn't strike as someone who knows alignments.

I was wrong about stuff like that before and he hasn't been oozing towniness anyway.

I think it's gonna be mostly ausuka/nsg or dunn/nsg. I think lynching these 3 and then eragon wins the game.
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:10 am

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damn speed on those 2 pages since ive been here.

and those frickin walls i wanna kms.

do you want me to catch up through the thread or case Dunn, for better or worse?
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:11 am

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In post 1084, Eragon wrote:damn speed on those 2 pages since ive been here.

and those frickin walls i wanna kms.

do you want me to catch up through the thread or case Dunn, for better or worse?
catch up please

read my case on NSG
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:11 am

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In post 1083, Toranaga wrote:it's very possible I antagonized ausuka so hard on d2 that she can't really see me being town for it, and then started that associative read with TW cause he was just siding with me and sheeping it.

I think town eragon is generally townier than this, but if eragon is scum he is putting a very decent effort and looking towny at a few points in this ISO.


I'm having a very difficult time trying to find a proper lynch that isn't NSG, which might reduce the whole thing to just flipping dunnstral and hoping it flips scum

but anyone doing so should take into consideration that he literally shaded volxen's entire wagon when it was L-2 on d1. which isn't a pro-town thing to do, but it doesn't strike as someone who knows alignments.

I was wrong about stuff like that before and he hasn't been oozing towniness anyway.

I think it's gonna be mostly ausuka/nsg or dunn/nsg. I think lynching these 3 and then eragon wins the game.
im not sure exactly what you mean, if you mean the effort/time i've done its probably because im in 4 honors/AP classes sophomore year and completely overloaded almost everyday
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:12 am

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In post 1085, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1084, Eragon wrote:damn speed on those 2 pages since ive been here.

and those frickin walls i wanna kms.

do you want me to catch up through the thread or case Dunn, for better or worse?
catch up please

read my case on NSG
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:12 am

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In post 912, Ausuka wrote:i told myself i was going to stop posting content itt because i'm having no fun but i can't stay away because i have a mafia addiction probably. still not really going to bother defending myself, sorry

don't think chainlynching popular suspects is going to get town anywhere. i don't think anything indicates scum are feeling pressure; feels like slots commonly seen as town are mostly sitting back and watching suspects go at it, while not actually committing to townreads on any of the suspected players. like, aside from tw to toranga who really tr's any of {ausuka, dunn, toranga} on a substantial level? because as far as i see it's nothing and scum don't really look uncomfortable.

also Reundo had a towny day 1 yeah but he's like totally been scumming it up d2.

first is his keyser push which is like a possible motive of the huntress kill other than keyser!scum I think? but that's minor, more importantly he just up and forgets about this push because nobody was biting? and like his decision to chainlynch me and toranga doesn't make much sense i think. the voteflopping / "opportunism" thing has literally been done to death and is boring while the "organic" thing makes like very little sense; he can feel free to elaborate on it if he wants but I feel like I didn't detail progression on volxen itt so I don't see how it can really be read as inorganic. the fos on toranga I kind of just don't understand at all. and I don't get how he can literally just push a chainlynch while seemingly not really caring about anything either of us posts; like, he has other SRs, he has 4 FOS's with 2 scum alive, you would think that he would do something other than "let's just chainlynch these two players who were the weakest of my 4 FOSs" tbh.

nsg kind of had some poor associatives w/ volxen I think. nauci is possible scum I guess. eragon's hard to tell because I think he's forcing his reads here as either alignment. still need to consider tor/tw/dunn I guess but again doesn't really feel like mafia are threatened in this gamestate
Pausing from my catch up to point out that this is a bomb-ass post
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:16 am

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Eragon this is not what we discussed in the hood
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:18 am

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I’m glad Huntress isn’t alive! Otherwise I’d be a viable wagon today :shifty:




Toranaga and Dunnstral began D2 in my PoE. Tora has talked himself out of it. Dunnstral remains frustating. The nail in the coffin for him is that after 30 or so posts, he ends with me as the player he wants to lynch (My confirm bias says: I fear this is him capitalising on the growing paranoia on my slot). He’s had ample time to analyse each slot and offer thorough reads. Why is he not talking to me? At least Nauci, Irrelephant and Reundo have confronted me directly with their ‘cases’.

If he’s a stubborn townie he still has time to redeem himself and open up. For now, my vote stays.


Going to look at TW and NSG next.
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:19 am

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ok, real talk

anyone scumreading dunnstral needs to read him shading the volxen wagon when it was L-2 and actually pushing people who voted there. is this in his scum range? because this is objectively towny. a player's first instinct while watching a wolf team mate go down, is to distance themselves from it. universally. dunn is not only not doing that, but actively pushing people with good reasoning behind it. this does not seem like he knows volxen is scum at all.

Spoiler:
In post 244, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 220, Reundo wrote: I don't really understand the town-reads of volxen. Everything he's posted seems like surface-level scum-hunting based mostly around points that have already been brought up by others, and as a whole it seems like he's much more interested in garnering why player X scum-reads player Y than providing scum-reads of his own. I'm more worried about him than 2.718 at the moment.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: volxen
In post 221, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that

VOTE: volxen
In post 224, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: volxen

:twisted:
In post 239, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen
This momentum is pretty weird - I don't think Reundo's case in 220 is that compelling. Sesq looks bad here.
In post 245, Dunnstral wrote:Who was town reading Volxen?
In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that
Can you point it out for me?
In post 285, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that
Can you point it out for me?
Now would be a good time to explain this Sesq
In post 353, Dunnstral wrote:Still think sesq is question dodging

Ausuka votes are kind of weird, though
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 1088, Nauci wrote:
Pausing from my catch up to point out that this is a bomb-ass post
it is.
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:24 am

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In post 1091, Toranaga wrote:ok, real talk

anyone scumreading dunnstral needs to read him shading the volxen wagon when it was L-2 and actually pushing people who voted there. is this in his scum range? because this is objectively towny. a player's first instinct while watching a wolf team mate go down, is to distance themselves from it. universally. dunn is not only not doing that, but actively pushing people with good reasoning behind it. this does not seem like he knows volxen is scum at all.

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In post 244, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 220, Reundo wrote: I don't really understand the town-reads of volxen. Everything he's posted seems like surface-level scum-hunting based mostly around points that have already been brought up by others, and as a whole it seems like he's much more interested in garnering why player X scum-reads player Y than providing scum-reads of his own. I'm more worried about him than 2.718 at the moment.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: volxen
In post 221, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that

VOTE: volxen
In post 224, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: volxen

:twisted:
In post 239, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen
This momentum is pretty weird - I don't think Reundo's case in 220 is that compelling. Sesq looks bad here.
In post 245, Dunnstral wrote:Who was town reading Volxen?
In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that
Can you point it out for me?
In post 285, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that
Can you point it out for me?
Now would be a good time to explain this Sesq
In post 353, Dunnstral wrote:Still think sesq is question dodging

Ausuka votes are kind of weird, though
WIFOM dictates Dunnstral is likely town.........


I do love townies who are oblivious of how bad they’ll look after a flip.

Let me sit down and put the kettle on.
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:26 am

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UNVOTE:
awright
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:27 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1028, Toranaga wrote:ok lets lynch dunn, sure

but if it's town

aus/nsg is still where I'm at

VOTE: dunnstrall
o.0 i dont recommend killing someone you think is town with still 7 days left on the day
In post 1029, Toranaga wrote:I'm townreading it but it's such a hero read for thin things it's not really relevant and it's not strong
i agree here, but im gonna have to case them for a final read
In post 1032, Toranaga wrote:UNVOTE: dunnugh

im dumb

ok
ok. so that vote did nothing :/
In post 1033, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 984, Nauci wrote:Quick and dirty reads list before I head into the 600s

Skitter Tier
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Reundo - Bellaphant of the ball
nsg - this is so outside of scumsg range and definitely in burned-out-townsg range

You know what? You's alright
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Toranga
Eragon
Ausuka

Wouldn’t bet on these
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Dunnstral
The worst

Naughty little boys and well actually just boys
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Keyser
Irrelephant
Myself or Irrelephant11 are very unlikely scum and shouldn’t be lynched today.

You’ll have to investigate us again Nauci :twisted:
{with the list itself}
i dont get the read on Irrelephant, but i did see you revoked it later on, so ill leave that as fine
the skitter teir made me laugh, in more ways than 1.
first off, great name :3
second off, i dont get why Reundo is so transparantly towny to you, or why you think NSG is burned up town, instead of just scum.
Then can you elaborate on your Duckling read?

{about Keyser}
the recent posts like this are what makes me think your scum, responding to someone's readlist with
"Im very unlikely scum and shouldnt be lynch, you'll have to investigate again"
its just a way to deflect the attention IMO
In post 1034, Irrelephant11 wrote:So like here's where I'm at. I think volxen was pretty straightforwardly scum, and I think his associations should be leading our lynch.

I'm gonna go double check what those were again because I forget
i agree, but i personally trust regular reads than association reads, partly just trained from my forums because some of the people are such wild cannons they'll hard defend town as scum or hard defend scum as town and mega super bus and shit like that, so ive learned not to completely trust A. reads, but i can see the validity of it.
In post 1035, Ausuka wrote:honestly I'm not very enthusiastic about a Dunnstral lynch anymore and I think it'll flip town tbh. I realize that's not very helpful and nobody wants to lynch Reundo rn so I'll make time to do something more substantial later
when nobody is probably going to be around to react to it :(
.
is it weird that both of the top wagons all of a sudden TR each other and dont want to lynch other?
i think so.
In post 1040, Toranaga wrote:1k posts isn't actually that much so let's get to it
LETS HIT IT!!!
In post 1041, Keyser Söze wrote:If Dunnstral posted the next 1k that’d be cool.
i agree, but i havent seen much presence from you recently either, i know you've had a lot of posts, and probably just RL stuff(understand) but you have lost activity
In post 1042, Irrelephant11 wrote:volxen associations:
- RVS votes GNB[tw]
- He parrots NSG's (without mentioning nsg) "why say not to townread yourself?" case on GNB[tw]
- He shades Sesq[Nauci] for poorly scumcasing Keyser
- He continues to argue with GNB[tw] and answers Ausuka's question about GNB[tw]
- Asks 2.718[Huntress] if he's still scumreading Keyser
- Answers Toranaga's question about GNB[tw] ("I'm nullreading him")
- He townreads Keyser for weak reasons; nullreads nsg in few words; nullreads GNB[tw] in very many words; scumreads 2.718[Huntress] with his most in-depth thought processes yet. His reasons for the scumread are:
> Misrepping Keyser
> Siding with Reundo against Keyser
> Townreading Reundo with poor reasoning
- Tries to direct attention off his slot by pointing at lurkers. Namely: 2.718[Huntress], Toranaga, and Sesq. Notably, part of his scumread of Tor is that Tor thinks scum is in 2.718[Huntress]/volxen/sesq. I think this is somewhat clearing for Tor (in addition to the towncred he does actually deserve for the volxen lynch) because I don't think their scum play here was to name each other in their lynchbait lists.
- Reiterates his scumreads from his previous posts. Also says Reundo/Keyser is either t/t or s/t (Keyser being town either way)
- says hi to the worst (not really indicative, I'm just being thorough)
- He answers nsg's question about knowing the worst ("yes")
& - continues to talk about nsg, this time about his experience with mafia and mafiascum.
- Becomes the fourth vote on sesq
- Welcomes Huntress
- Helps sesq try to unvote
- Welcomes Eragon
- Claims watcher in response to me
- Tries to shift wagon movement back to sesq in response to me
- Shades Reundo for attacking Keyser one more time after his lynch is inevitable
interesting, but what were your results from this dive?
coming soon.
In post 1043, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Takeaways


In the green
: Nauci is almost certainly town, as I think volxen was being survivalistic at the end there by trying to get sesq to unvote correctly and move wagons back to sesq

Toranaga is almost certainly town or is scum who bussed v impressively. He and volxen scumcased each other like they really wanted one another dead

I guess it's more likely nsg is town here for the way their interactions were always at a sort of diagonal angle? If that makes sense? Nothing to either suggest they're buddies or not aligned, with a normal amount of interaction. An ideal distance for scum buddies but I don't think it's likely that volxen was at that sort of ideal distance with his scum buddies

Reundo looks good as a player volxen seemed to think could be an easier mislynch. This one is a little weaker, but overall it just doesn't feel like scum theater

Hmmm
: Volxen never has any interaction from his side with the Kop[Eragon] slot or Dunnstral, except to welcome Eragon to the game. I think this is mostly meaningless for Eragon, less certain on what it means for Dunnstral, who actively tried to shift people off the volxen wagon early on.

Yikes
:
Ausuka and volxen don't have any meaningful interaction from volxen's ISO. Instead, Ausuka lobs him an easy question, he answers, and then he ignores her.

Fine, I'll admit that Keyser can be scum here. I think it's very likely that either Keyser or the worst are scum here, actually (even though I've said I don't think they're partners - which idk if I'm right about)

Thoughts? UNVOTE:
honestly im not sure if you missed anyone, but why do you think the worst is scum from this?
In post 1044, Toranaga wrote:should start with this NSG ISO, since it's the one slot my read really radically differs from everyone else.

first 10 posts are objectively scum indicative to me. she spends a good amount of time overexplaining how it "doesn't make sense" and "seems kinda fake" for GNB to be bothered with getting townread for effort early on, just to end on a note that it didn't even ping her on a scum level (see below). she explains sesq mindset for sesq in #27, in a reply to keyser, for absolutely no reason and without even undersatanding what sesq's post was about. I know by now and I never read differently, that sesq was literally just asking to be townread? and NSG takes keyser's misinterpretation of it and answers sesq for her without even considering the possibility that sesq was not being ironic in that post.

so here is the post she says she is not pinged by GNB:
In post 170, northsidegal wrote:dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.

i remember someone asking or pondering upon why i wasn't voting GNB if i was apparently scumreading him, and while i didn't and still don't really understand the mindset of what he was saying, it didn't really ping me as all that scum indicative on an instintcutal level.

anyways,
VOTE: dunnstral
consider NSG is veteran enough to understand that nonsensical thinking does not equal scummy and that questioning nonsense will very often lead to dead ends. also consider that, it's not actually that hard to see GNB's posting there as towny or understand why he'd be bothered with townreads for effort. I can see town thinking like this, even though ofc it doesn't bother me to be getting free passes for posting many words, and more importantly, even if I didn't understand it I'd be coming from a position of "is this scum motivated?" when challenging GNB on his views, which isn't something NSG is doing here. she is writing many words that lead the game nowhere, instead of pursuing things she finds alignment indicative. I'm very bothered that she'd spend half her posting at this point pursuing something that didn't even ping her at all in the first place. what pinged her? dunnstral. why didn't se ask dunnstral anything, then? why isn't she going after him, instead of creating this pointless conversation with GNB?

so I'm already at a point here, that NSG needs to town the fuck up very hard for me to townread her slot overrall and I, quite frankly, don't remember much of anything I saw from her that got me there yet. we'll see...
In post 171, northsidegal wrote:
In post 155, Kop wrote:I think Keyser is town from the quick glancing I made. I have played with Keyser quite a bit under a different alias on another website, and kinda know what his town game is, and what his scum game is. Unless his game play is different over here compared to over on the other website I play with him, but at the moment, I am getting his town game play from what I've seen so far.
how accurate would you say you are when it comes to reading keyser? i just want to know your degree of confidence here.

on a different note, kop's staccato sentences with all of the commas are standing out to me. from memory i don't really remember him talking like that, although i could certainly be wrong here. i'm going to check for myself soon (if not right after this then this should serve as a reminder), but does anyone else who's played with kop remember that?
again. this is GNB's nonread all over again. she is voting dunnstral without talking about him at all in any meaningful way, and then starts going over... commas? and if he is now talking in commas, so what? is that anything indicative? why is she not talking about her actual scumread? why are the things NSG points out so blatantly not scummy things at all?
In post 174, northsidegal wrote:
In post 173, Dunnstral wrote:For real though I've got no clue what Kop's normal posting style is like - why do you think the commas are AI?
saying that my opinion is "commas are scummy" is an utter misrepresentation of what i'm trying to say

he's typing in an awkward manner and it's an awkward manner that i'm not sure i remember him doing in the games i've seen him as town

not sure how you could frame that as my opinion being "commas are scummy"
no, dunn is right. you're quite literally shading someone's punctuation instead of going deep over their thoughts or anything smart. this is fake scumhunting if I've ever seen one and I'm astonished, I'm appalled, I'm confused and sad this is being townread.
In post 232, northsidegal wrote:
In post 176, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, that looks like exactly what you're saying here, except replace that with "Kop's commas are scummy"
i began a response to this a day or so ago but never finished it

the statement "kop's commas are scummy" implies that in a vacuum i think that the use of commas is scum-indicative (patently absurd). the punctuation itself is secondary to my main point - i noticed a stylistic difference between the way someone was typing here and the way that i remember that same person typing in a previous game as scum. i don't think anyone would possibility dispute that that has a very good chance of being in some way meaningful.

-shrug-

you're being far less reasonable than i typically expect you to be, and i'm not sure if i should take it as scum-indicative or not
this is how she is talking about someone she is voting right now. her dunn read had 0 progression so far, and her other reads had 0 progression so far. "not sure if scum indicative or not" is so slimy, too. can't it be town indicative? why don't you go one step above "you're not understanding my POV" here? is the fact that he is mocking your read alignment indicative? what is your kop read anyway? blablabla commas, and so what, is there anything else?

literally not pushing anything reasonable and not progressing the gamestate in any way. I can't see this as anything else but stalling the game. there's nothing towny here. also "you're being far less reasonable than I expect" is so over the top I wonder if it makes dunn scum with NSG. cause dunn mocks NSG, but also makes no read there, and then NSG overreacts to it. it just feels slimy from both parts.
In post 234, northsidegal wrote:
In post 187, Keyser Söze wrote:Not sure I buy into NSG’s “staccato sentence/comma” theory - unless you can clearly show Kop only posting this style as scum, I think it’s too reachy for my taste.
wasn't much of a "theory" in the first place, nor something to "buy into" before more research was done. despite how dunnstral may want you to look at it, it was really only ever something that stuck out to me as being potentially a thing / relevant, hence my asking anyone else for information. honestly, i still haven't done the meta on kop that i wanted to.
In post 206, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because NSG is hard townreading you and one of the following is true:
-She's town and probably correct
-She's scum and correct
-You're both scum <--- in this situation, I have no useful reads on any players, so I'm assuming it's not this
ah, the mathdino-style reads. i love it!
234 posts into the game and it's still just empty. what NSG did twice already, and then upped her postcount with, and very little else, was:

1 - she does a bad/unnecessary nitpicky take on a slot (GNB townreading thing, kop's commas);
2 - she then defends that her point of view is valid when people find it strange.

other reads? ausuka is town, no reasons given, dunn is scummy, no reasons given.

235 is the hedgiest read ever

then this
In post 236, northsidegal wrote:it angers me the way dunnstral has framed my argument, genuinely.
maybe they're just scum together. if NSG is voting him and thinks he "framed" her, why isn't she casing him? are you genuinely upset with someone you think it's scum cause they're trying to win? just what mindset is this?
In post 291, northsidegal wrote:
In post 277, the worst wrote:
In post 170, northsidegal wrote:dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.
wHY
mainly i felt like -nothing- he was saying early was actually town indicative, which on its own might not make that much sense (not noticing towny things = scum?) but i feel like it's relevant. if someone is town thwn i would expect that they would show it in some way. here's what i mean (aka my shitty mathdino-style "lolcase" that will, going off of previous experience, get me either scumread or into a very stupid argument that lasts longer than it should):
In post 23, Dunnstral wrote:We end up at 4 people alive but 1 person is confirmed town (watcher) or there's a cc

So it's not worse
completely mechanically speaking, irrelevant to alignment
In post 117, Dunnstral wrote:I mean it's not worse than a regular game at 3 people alive

----

Keyser I don't think I caught you in the game we played, not sure why you think I should be "taking lead" today either
completely mechanical + statement of fact
In post 117, Dunnstral wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: If Dunnstral flips red I would actually wanna put Irrelephant under closer inspection (i.e ill-timed/ill-formed distancing attempt). Or vice versa. I've enjoyed talking to Irrelephant11 so he's on the green side of null so far.
This is bad preflip stuff and you have to jump to a lot of conclusions to get to this point - also it's not warranted at this time

VOTE: Sesq
This is a good place to put a serious vote
this one is arguable but pointing out questionable play is something that can be done as town or scum, perhaps even especially so as scum given that you have insight into if something is already correct (not that that's an argument for it being more likely to come from scum)

and so on (i'm lazy + washed up), i think this trend continues of things that are reasonable from an entirely objective point of view but don't actually really reveal a town mindset continues

it's also possible i'm biased because of his response to what i said regarding kop which i feel was more unreasonable than i expect from dunnstral
empty case, nothing she even points out that's actually scummy, just "not revealing as towny mindset". those interactions/vote/push with dunn are really really bad.
In post 293, northsidegal wrote:anyways, i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly

town:
northsidegal
2.718281828459 (unfortunate you didn't replace into this slot ducky, i think it's town)
Ausuka
Keyser Söze (presuming i can trust kop on keyser's alignment and just for now - keyser is someone who i plan to do more meta on when i get the energy or when someone bothers me about it enough)
Irrelephant11

that leaves:
{volxen, the worst, Dunnstral, Reundo, Toranaga, Kop}

which feels vaguely alright in terms of a poe
I townread her telling the worst she thinks numbers is town and is sad he didn't sub in there, but look at the phrasing. it's at the very top of her reads, she doesn't need to point out she thinks it's town any further. also, "i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly", how can you even tell these things? isn't every game trying to get a towncore and then killing the POE, at least until you get a proper strong scumread? why say this? weird self awareness, I don't like it at all.

what's next in her ISO? townreading hypocrisy for no reason in #298, goes from dunn to sesq without even saying why she thought sesq was scum, or anything really about sesq other than weirdly defending a mindset she didn't even had on that post to keyser.
In post 318, northsidegal wrote:-shrug-

i'm not particularly concerned about him yet, so i think it's probably fine. i might just tunnel sesq for today and leave it at that.
the worst wrote:shame there's no trackers in this setup
:shifty:
:lol:
and where are you tunneling sesq? you didn't even remember it existed when you made your list, right? and you didn't even explain why you think it was scum.

why are you guys townreading this? should I even keep reading? this is obviously scum, right? I don't care if NSG rolls over and dies every other scumgame of hers. this isn't burn out, this is scum.
In post 1045, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: northsidegal

not voting anything else today. I read another 10 posts from her ISO and none of them are towny, many are scummy. it's literally just blending in without a single post that indicates an actual attempt at solving the game. her progressions are non existant, her scum reads are empty, her town reads are blend, this isn't NSG's town game and IDC what your meta is. anyone can make 64 air balloons in posting form as scum, even the person who hates scum the most. IDK what the hell are you guys seeing here, I really don't.

sorry if wrong, don't think so.
not responding to the whole damn thing, but for the last part, i dont really see much from them, but thats the problem, i havent made a read since then, so i trust my reads over my non-reads.


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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:27 am

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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:27 am

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In post 1089, the worst wrote:Eragon this is not what we discussed in the hood
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:36 am

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In post 1051, Irrelephant11 wrote:Yeah that's the strongest thing I'm pulling from it too actually

I guess nsg could be the lynch - like volxen's ISO doesn't rule it out and the way nsg made up BS to push onto sesq instead of volxen is scummy

I wonder if nsg and dunnstral would both be scum in that scenario? Where Dunnstral says the volzen wagon is bad and votes sesq and nsg follows with "reasoning"
i definitely see this as the scumteam
In post 1052, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1051, Irrelephant11 wrote:Yeah that's the strongest thing I'm pulling from it too actually

I guess nsg could be the lynch - like volxen's ISO doesn't rule it out and the way nsg made up BS to push onto sesq instead of volxen is scummy

I wonder if nsg and dunnstral would both be scum in that scenario? Where Dunnstral says the volzen wagon is bad and votes sesq and nsg follows with "reasoning"
dunn is probably scum too, yes
i got my flip flops on my chip chops.
In post 1053, Toranaga wrote:dunn is totally scum, his ISO is horrible
:?: And then later says his posts are not individually scummy :?:
In post 1054, Nauci wrote:whdn my cat stops aggressively snuggling me ill refute the nsg case im very sure shes town
or let them actually defend themself instead of WK'ing someone else
In post 1055, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean I would love if nsg would come refute the nsg case
^
In post 1058, Irrelephant11 wrote:lol same but I would feel more comfortable townreading nsg for her own play rather than for yours

but I digress


I think my preferred lynchpool is dunnstral/tw/ausuka and if everyone I townread wanted keyser or nsg I'd compromise there
mindmeld haven

In post 1062, Toranaga wrote:yeah probably not eragon

and definitely not keyser or tw
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}

about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?

In post 1065, Ausuka wrote:oh ok then i'll just follow consensus reads. dunnstral and me are the scumteam. game solved yay :D
:lol:
In post 1070, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1059, Irrelephant11 wrote:mm swap keyser and the worst, the evidence mounting on keyser from many slots is a lot
Sorry keyser I'm enjoying your presence but I think you have high scum equity
Volxen knew I was town and formed his limited pushes around that.
Kop has a 100% read accuracy read on me.
You know I am town really and shouldnt be lynched today.
My D1 reads were solid.
Do you think I am underperforming as town?
kop had a read 0.0
"you know i am town really and i shouldnt be lynched"
honestly fucking stop saying this BS
"My D1 reads are solid"
So what?
"do you think im underperforming"
Whats the point of this during the game?
In post 1072, Nauci wrote:P.S. The Eragon slot is like hard gliding right under everyone's radar and that should bother all of y'all a lot
:( but my content :eek:
In post 1073, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1072, Nauci wrote:P.S. The Eragon slot is like hard gliding right under everyone's radar and that should bother all of y'all a lot
he is one foot above nsg/ausuka/dunn to me

there's literally nothing scummy about keyser btw
how is there nothing scummy about keyser?
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 1076, Nauci wrote:Eragon is the new Errant
what?
In post 1077, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1072, Nauci wrote:P.S. The Eragon slot is like hard gliding right under everyone's radar and that should bother all of y'all a lot
this is fair and accurate news
i agree, but activity is normally NAI for me, i can be active or inactive as both town or scum, depending on whats happening in life
In post 1078, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral

from here on out just voting whoever I'm supposed to vote.

if anyone sees me signing up for a Mafia game ever again please spam my inbox reminding me not to
sad :cry:
In post 1079, Toranaga wrote:
In post 519, Eragon wrote:
In post 500, the worst wrote::ok_hand:
red flip d1 feels good man

drunk ducky gonna slep now gngn
I think this is actually TMI, because he was already like “red flip Day 1 feels good”

I mean, town never KNOWS that the person is scum unless a TI has a guilty, but TW acted like he KNEW volxen was scum, not HOPING that volxen was scum and not actually watcher.
this is the first kinda towny post in eragon's ISO. I didn't like some stuff and kop was hard null.

still reading...
also iirc that was my first post where i actually had some inkling of the game :lol: :lol:
In post 1081, Toranaga wrote:eragon's ISO: his reads list seem good, his thoughts seem towny on a surface level

could be scum but it's not really standing out as such and would be a poor lynch
thats all you got from my ISO :cry: :cry: :cry:
In post 1082, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1070, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1059, Irrelephant11 wrote:mm swap keyser and the worst, the evidence mounting on keyser from many slots is a lot
Sorry keyser I'm enjoying your presence but I think you have high scum equity
Volxen knew I was town and formed his limited pushes around that.
Kop has a 100% read accuracy read on me.
You know I am town really and shouldnt be lynched today.
My D1 reads were solid.
Do you think I am underperforming as town?
-A reasonable way to look at it, but it is pretty weird how you didn't call out him trying to pocket you if that was the case
-Okay, sure, I'll give this a tiny bit of weight
-I definitely don't prefer your lynch but if my townreads push you I'm not sure I want to get in the way anymore (pretend I wrote this in a less scummy-sounding way)
-meaningless, as scum can be however right/wrong with their reads as they want
-No, so I'll give this some weight too

g2g bye
i dont know why it matters if kop can have an accurate read because he only had about 14 posts this game and no thread presence, so i wouldnt really put anything in what he says
and how do you put weight when someone asks "am i underperforming as town?"
In post 1083, Toranaga wrote:it's very possible I antagonized ausuka so hard on d2 that she can't really see me being town for it, and then started that associative read with TW cause he was just siding with me and sheeping it.

I think town eragon is generally townier than this, but if eragon is scum he is putting a very decent effort and looking towny at a few points in this ISO.

I'm having a very difficult time trying to find a proper lynch that isn't NSG, which might reduce the whole thing to just flipping dunnstral and hoping it flips scum

but anyone doing so should take into consideration that he literally shaded volxen's entire wagon when it was L-2 on d1. which isn't a pro-town thing to do, but it doesn't strike as someone who knows alignments.

I was wrong about stuff like that before and he hasn't been oozing towniness anyway.

I think it's gonna be mostly ausuka/nsg or dunn/nsg. I think lynching these 3 and then eragon wins the game.
as before, effort is NAI and you should treat it as such.
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