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Post Post #2914 (isolation #400) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:16 pm

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Okay, good point
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Post Post #2917 (isolation #401) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:17 pm

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Goodnight.

NSG when you see this please hammer Profil, you were taking too long with Nico.
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Post Post #2918 (isolation #402) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:18 pm

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Just confirm who you are jailing on a scum!prof flip.
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #403) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:28 pm

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yeah, I think Nico is best jail here because of that.
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Post Post #2922 (isolation #404) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:25 pm

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Okay, prof. Who do you think is the town in us 3 as you so claim?
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Post Post #2926 (isolation #405) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:30 pm

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Well I tried to get them to lynch Nico in the off chance you're town since I do scumread Nico slightly more. But, you showed no willingness to hammer Nico when it is clearly between you two.
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Post Post #2927 (isolation #406) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:32 pm

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We have 2 days before deadline.
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Post Post #2929 (isolation #407) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:54 pm

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Put the teams you see most likely with a percentage next to them
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #408) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:00 pm

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How come you don't think Nico can be slowplaying it? Considering if she quick hammers you and her partner is jailed then she loses?
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Post Post #2934 (isolation #409) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:24 pm

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Why would you expect a NK?
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Post Post #2942 (isolation #410) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:52 am

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Nsg will have to hammer prof. Or risk a nl
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Post Post #2970 (isolation #411) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:44 pm

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I'm pretty sure NSG won't vote you.
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Post Post #2973 (isolation #412) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:47 pm

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We are all voting Prof now. Unless you're just more confortable with a Nico lynch?
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Post Post #2975 (isolation #413) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:13 pm

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Thought she was still here. Guess not VOTE: Nico Glad I finally get my wish
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #414) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:37 pm

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Maria please just hammer.
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Post Post #2984 (isolation #415) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:38 pm

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NSG just say yes so she can hammer
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Post Post #2986 (isolation #416) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:40 pm

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I already explained why Nico is most likely to flip scum here. No way this flips town.
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Post Post #2988 (isolation #417) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:41 pm

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On the less than 5% chance it flips town, I think it's obvious who to jail. But, I'm not saying a word.
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Post Post #2990 (isolation #418) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:41 pm

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In post 2987, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Nico nico nii
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Post Post #2993 (isolation #419) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:44 pm

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Wow you sure caught me. Nee-heehee~

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Post Post #2999 (isolation #420) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:46 pm

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In post 2995, stungun0404 wrote:finally this day phase will come to a close! who else is relieved beyond words? :D
Yes, only took 2 weeks to lynch scum
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Post Post #3003 (isolation #421) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:59 pm

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Pretty sure all 4 of us are town. and post game we will ask why it took so long to lynch both obvious scum
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Post Post #3017 (isolation #422) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:14 am

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VOTE: prof
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Post Post #3018 (isolation #423) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:14 am

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In post 3013, stungun0404 wrote:oh wait actually, koki and maria can hammer with me, that’s awesome!

we don’t have to wait guys :D
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Post Post #3019 (isolation #424) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:16 am

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Why are you even arguing with confirmed scum
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Post Post #3022 (isolation #425) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:59 am

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Ok. UNVOTE:

Prof. I will give you 1 hr from your next post to convince me why you are not scum.
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Post Post #3084 (isolation #426) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:22 pm

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How the hell did prof flip town. What an idiot
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Post Post #3087 (isolation #427) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:23 pm

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Literally if he just listened to my case on nico he wouldn't have been so scummy. But, literally all he did was hard defend scum. I'm annoyed
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Post Post #3088 (isolation #428) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 3085, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3084, Kokichi Oma wrote:How the hell did prof flip town. What an idiot
i told you guys.
Not my fault he hard defended obvious scum when I pointed out it was different from her town meta
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Post Post #3091 (isolation #429) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:25 pm

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Ok so I think technically lynching and no lynching both have the same odds here unbiasly.
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Post Post #3092 (isolation #430) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:26 pm

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If we lynch someone you go 50% hammer. If we no lynch and maf eventually kills NSG, then whoever was jailed and cleared will have 50% hammer.
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Post Post #3096 (isolation #431) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:28 pm

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I'm annoyed because the paranoia team I had was prof/stun not nico/stun. Now I have to look into interactions but meta tells me Maria is town here, NSG.
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Post Post #3098 (isolation #432) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:29 pm

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In post 3093, northsidegal wrote:not true

there are 4 alive, 1 conftown. those are 33% odds.

if we no-lynch and i die, there would be 3 alive, 1 conftown. that's 50% odds.
No? Because we lynch. And you get a jail target. Actually we have 66% chance to win.
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Post Post #3099 (isolation #433) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:30 pm

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Literally we cant lose this game regardless I'm stupid. I just realized this
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Post Post #3102 (isolation #434) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:32 pm

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In post 3097, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3096, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm annoyed because the paranoia team I had was prof/stun not nico/stun. Now I have to look into interactions but meta tells me Maria is town here, NSG.
if you're town and you believe maria is town then you should be completely fine with no-lynching, going to lylo where maria becomes conftown and then you guys lynching stungun to win the game
Well yes. But I was doing calculations unbiasly so you'd understand probability
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #435) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:33 pm

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In post 3100, northsidegal wrote:i'm fairly certain we can still win. it basically comes down to the fact that we bet the game on one person (who can't be me) being town.
We can trust me. I'd never lie

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Post Post #3105 (isolation #436) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:34 pm

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In post 3103, northsidegal wrote:so let's no lynch so that you and maria can win come 3 person lylo?
Do you not trust yourself. Just curious
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Post Post #3107 (isolation #437) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:36 pm

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Maria why are you against NLing? If you're not scum then you can be cleared.
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Post Post #3108 (isolation #438) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 3106, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3105, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3103, northsidegal wrote:so let's no lynch so that you and maria can win come 3 person lylo?
Do you not trust yourself. Just curious
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what it comes down to is that my read on maria doesn't actually really matter. if i'm right then we win. if i'm wrong then i trust you guys to win. that's why i'm pushing this plan so much - you don't even need to believe that i'm right.
True. Because I dont see me lynching maria today.
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Post Post #3110 (isolation #439) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:37 pm

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Maria did you learn to pocket me?
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #440) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:37 pm

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Post Post #3113 (isolation #441) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:38 pm

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Oh wait I townread RC too.
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Post Post #3114 (isolation #442) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:38 pm

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Maria can we just nl
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #443) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:39 pm

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Like if stun is scum he has to eventually kill nsg
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #444) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 3117, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3114, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria can we just nl
no-lynching only requires 2 when there's 4 people alive, you don't even need to get maria to vote as well
Really? I never knew that lol.
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Post Post #3120 (isolation #445) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:41 pm

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I say wait for stun to check in at the very least I want to hear his thoughts.
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Post Post #3122 (isolation #446) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:43 pm

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I think that's pretty much it. But I wanna wait for stun.
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Post Post #3127 (isolation #447) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:48 pm

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It's fine. It's pretty much auto win regardless. Whichever path. NSG what are your reads from scummiest to towniest
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Post Post #3135 (isolation #448) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:58 pm

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Maria just let her be. I think shes right in that both odds are virtually the same.
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Post Post #3149 (isolation #449) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 pm

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I don't know. DO you need to reconsider me? What makes me scum here, stun?
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Post Post #3152 (isolation #450) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:53 pm

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Maria after he answers, I want to know why you townread me and I want to know why RC townreads me, since i know it's likely for different reasons.
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #451) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 3153, MariaR wrote:I don't need to really say anything given I'm the conf town here.
que?
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Post Post #3158 (isolation #452) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:56 pm

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I'm pretty sure I don't have to say why I'm town. If I'm scum I've literally gamethrew for 2 different reasons. But, I just want to know what you 2 think in terms of the questions I've asked.
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Post Post #3159 (isolation #453) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:57 pm

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In post 3157, MariaR wrote:This is what happens.
I am either lynched today and I'm gonna say a name and NSG will jail that name (aka the lynch)
or we are gonna nl until nsg dies and I become conf town that way.

See how this works?
Okay, that's fair. I get what you mean by that now.
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Post Post #3161 (isolation #454) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:58 pm

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Stun can you answer my question.
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Post Post #3163 (isolation #455) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:00 pm

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She's not really confirmed town but she's saying (from her point of view) that either she's lynched and she chooses who nsg jails or scum eventually kill nsg and shes clear.
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Post Post #3169 (isolation #456) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:03 pm

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NSG doesn't want to make the final decision. I think she trusts if maria/RC are town they make the right decision.
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Post Post #3180 (isolation #457) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:07 pm

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In post 3173, northsidegal wrote:i'm surprised that you actually bought into what maria was positing about my own motivations over what i've been pretty plainly and clearly actually saying
I mean I've explained how it's pretty much the same odds. Actually probably easier just to lynch and then jail scum target if scum isnt lynched for auto.
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #458) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:08 pm

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In post 3177, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3174, MariaR wrote:If it was wrong you'd out who you think is scum between stun and kokichi. Don't see that anywhere
if you and rc are town then i trust that your read on kokichi is right. i've been pretty clear on that
what's YOUR read on me?
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Post Post #3185 (isolation #459) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:09 pm

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In post 3179, stungun0404 wrote:is koki more likely to misread maria then maria koki then?

because from my angle that could be super important
unbiasly, I'd say it's about even. Usually when I say she's town she's been town every time except 2 times when she was SK. iirc.
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Post Post #3186 (isolation #460) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:10 pm

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But stun how does that change your read at all?
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Post Post #3188 (isolation #461) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:11 pm

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Honestly this is pointless if you all townread me. It's auto
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Post Post #3189 (isolation #462) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:11 pm

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Stun am I scum yes or no
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Post Post #3194 (isolation #463) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pm

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In post 3191, stungun0404 wrote:because i am starting to see a light for you being town here
convenient
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Post Post #3195 (isolation #464) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:17 pm

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In post 3193, MariaR wrote:Stunnn keep going do you understand?
I'm fully explaining this until it gets in your skull
I mean, he understands. He just has to twist it this way.
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Post Post #3197 (isolation #465) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:24 pm

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Still can't believe Prof was town lmfao. It's funny though cause he was trying to lynch scum, so I shouldn't be mean to him.
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Post Post #3203 (isolation #466) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:38 am

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So what's the plan. So we can hurry this up.
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Post Post #3204 (isolation #467) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:39 am

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Maria if you both know I'm town then we can just nl safely. I'm not gonna vote to lynch you so stop selfing
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Post Post #3205 (isolation #468) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:39 am

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Both as in you/RC
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Post Post #3210 (isolation #469) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:55 am

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I'm pretty certain I've figured out why the game played out the way it has.
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Post Post #3217 (isolation #470) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:17 am

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Stun. How confident are you that Maria is scum over me. In percentage wise
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Post Post #3219 (isolation #471) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:20 am

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No. Because Maria has changed her playstyle shes not like that anymore.
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Post Post #3220 (isolation #472) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:20 am

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If you're so certain I'm town then would you be willing to bet the game on it. Yes or no.
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Post Post #3223 (isolation #473) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:22 am

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In post 3221, stungun0404 wrote:but, then again, why wouldn’t she change her scum playstyle too? maria’s push on creature was gross with that all caps reaction meant to drive his lynch through imo
Her scum game is already good (when she doesnt do her meta tells :D )
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Post Post #3224 (isolation #474) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:23 am

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In post 3222, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3220, Kokichi Oma wrote:If you're so certain I'm town then would you be willing to bet the game on it. Yes or no.
yes, let’s do it!
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Post Post #3225 (isolation #475) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:24 am

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I mean maybe there is a chance I'm being pocketed but usually when shes scum I dont hard townread her. Unless she just pocketed me with her reaction to my test on her because she knew what I was expecting
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Post Post #3227 (isolation #476) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:25 am

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But that doesn't take into effect that I also townread rc. This is a annoying
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Post Post #3228 (isolation #477) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:26 am

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Usually when RC is town I scumread him though. Like in the game I hydra'd with maria in.
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Post Post #3229 (isolation #478) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:27 am

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Maria can you tell me why RC townreads me now? Because he has a habit of scumreading me when I'm town.
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Post Post #3230 (isolation #479) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:28 am

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Or am I just overthinking.
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Post Post #3231 (isolation #480) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:28 am

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Stun how would you rate your scum game personally
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Post Post #3238 (isolation #481) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:29 am

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Waiting for Maria to come online
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #482) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:56 pm

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What is the reason?
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Post Post #3264 (isolation #483) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:00 pm

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I'm confirmed town for 2 different reasons but, that is not one of them.
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Post Post #3267 (isolation #484) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:01 pm

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As long as NSG and/or Maria (if she is indeed town like I think she is) townreads me, scum can't win. So we can NL

VOTE: NL
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Post Post #3270 (isolation #485) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:03 pm

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In post 3268, stungun0404 wrote:So if I am scum this game, I have played tremendously against my meta, including both scum and town posting tendencies,
Oh hey, Nico. I thought you were lynched already?
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Post Post #3274 (isolation #486) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:06 pm

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You just said you were willing to bet the game on me being town. If maria is scum like you think she is then NLing wins us the game
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Post Post #3277 (isolation #487) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:07 pm

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So why make that post if you're so certain that Maria is scum. and why not wait until she's declared town IF NSG dies? Doesnt make sense to me
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Post Post #3278 (isolation #488) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:08 pm

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In post 3275, stungun0404 wrote:what you did was compare it to nico
I mean, it was mostly a joke. But look at my last two posts
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Post Post #3280 (isolation #489) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:09 pm

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There is no need for me to read it right now. Because either you are scum or maria loses as scum cause she cant kill.
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Post Post #3283 (isolation #490) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:10 pm

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I do have a good scum game. But, if I was scum I was legitimately gamethrowing. If I need to post why, then I will later on. If not then there is no need to if Maria is scum as you claim she is.
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Post Post #3284 (isolation #491) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:11 pm

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In post 3282, stungun0404 wrote:but maria’s AtE’s have been giving me concerns throughout this game. they have been strong
Maria has not even ATE'd this game lol
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Post Post #3286 (isolation #492) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:13 pm

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You haven't seen Maria ATE then. Cause she'll tell you herself it wasn't.
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Post Post #3287 (isolation #493) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:15 pm

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Stun regardless of your alignment this game, I think you played well. One of the reasons I think you could be scum here (not taking into account my Maria read) but, because you are playing way different than Heroes mafia.
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Post Post #3291 (isolation #494) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 3289, MariaR wrote:I have not ate (or tried too) once this game hot dam you have not read Maria Ate if you think I've ate'd this game REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post Post #3314 (isolation #495) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:45 pm

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Well at least I was right in my Maria read
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Post Post #3316 (isolation #496) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:47 pm

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Look. I legit cannot be scum for 2 reasons. When you both wanted Profil before Nico, I'm the one who drove the lynch toward Nico when I was already being townread by both of you and NSG. There was no reason for me to take the risk.
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Post Post #3317 (isolation #497) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:49 pm

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2nd reason is because I would have killed NSG when she was jailing Profil. I was townread by both of you and and Profil scumread both of you over me. There was no reason for me as scum to not kill NSG and have Profil as the clear since I would be the least likely to be lynched. (also the fact that it was suboptimal to no kill)
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Post Post #3321 (isolation #498) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:54 pm

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It makes sense why Stun needed profil to be mislynched because look at Prof's reads.
In post 2920, Kokichi Oma wrote:yeah, I think Nico is best jail here because of that.
In post 2921, profii wrote:I’m not going to read the last pages but I did see stun fill in the table

That says enough that he is trying to push FLs town flip as me scum

So I’ll still say a no lynch is a best option here seeing as the town player amongst you 3 has apparently lost it
In post 2922, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay, prof. Who do you think is the town in us 3 as you so claim?
In post 2923, profii wrote:Rn I think it’s you
In post 2924, profii wrote:Stuns obv scum and Maria has put her self in a position where she can sit on me practically without being questioned

You seem to listen a little bit more and start to consider either possibilities
In post 2930, profii wrote:Maria / Stun 90%
You / Stun 9%
You / Maria 1%

Anything else 0%

If I’m scum I hammer Nico
If Nico scum she hammers me rn
NSG no cc so golden
I think this post in particular. I think the only reason NSG didn't die is because if prof was clear Stun is lynched 100% of the time.
In post 2710, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun
In post 2713, profii wrote:
In post 2707, stungun0404 wrote: logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.

.
This is a massive scum slip
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Post Post #3323 (isolation #499) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:56 pm

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Stun knew that Maria would likely be jailed next because of the fact that NSG had a hard scumread on her. Stun had to rely on the fact that Maria early had him as a bigger townread than she did me. So he needed to take his chances in lylo.
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Post Post #3325 (isolation #500) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:57 pm

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Again, as scum I would easily win in a 4 way with Prof as clear and you know it, Maria.
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Post Post #3326 (isolation #501) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:58 pm

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In post 3322, stungun0404 wrote:you aren’t even voting me, lol

you have been hedgy this whole game with votes

vote me! vote me! vote me!

you are so obviously convinced i am scum
My vote doesn't matter. Maria's vote matters.
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Post Post #3331 (isolation #502) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:04 pm

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In post 2231, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2229, NicoRobin wrote:There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.
And I've seen you as town actually post a lot. So what's your point? You've done both
In post 2232, NicoRobin wrote:I don't get why you are scumreading me for something that is my town trait. There is stubborness and then there is this.....

*sigh*

I will have some words to tell you post-game.
In post 2235, Kokichi Oma wrote:viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071&activity_overview=1

Caught Nico in a lie. I was waiting for this.

She was town this game. She had one of the most posts in the game and defended herself.
In post 2238, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2231, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2229, NicoRobin wrote:There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.
And I've seen you as town actually post a lot. So what's your point? You've done both
If you mean the games where I was confirmable town, like 1936 and SU2, they don't count, because as confirmable town, I could speak my mind more freely.

p.edit: Like I said, I was conftown that game, so it doesn't count.
In post 2240, Kokichi Oma wrote:But you're not pushing back at all. People still scumread you that game and you had a lot of push back.
In post 2241, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2240, Kokichi Oma wrote:But you're not pushing back at all. People still scumread you that game and you had a lot of push back.
I was defending mastina, not myself.......
In post 2243, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico why aren't you answering?
In post 2248, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2243, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico why aren't you answering?
Because I have nothing to say to you.
Look at my interaction with Nico. She was clearly shaken by me calling her out. If we were scum together we would have been able to orchestrate actual scum theater. (as you would know, I enjoy doing Maria). But, look at the line when I try to engage Nico she ignores me because she knows I caught her in her lie and doesn't know how to react to it.
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Post Post #3334 (isolation #503) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:05 pm

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It was auto win to me, there was no need to do so unless I was in a lylo situation like I said 4 times already.
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Post Post #3335 (isolation #504) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:06 pm

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In post 3333, stungun0404 wrote:i will address that stuff in the morning, good night
have fun thinking of reasons to why i can be scum.
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Post Post #3336 (isolation #505) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:07 pm

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In post 3329, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini on koki:

“koki has been sheeping overall voting trends all game, but with no real sorting.” also did not vote no lynch first time we went for no lynch
This is blatantly false, lol. I'm the one who wanted to lead on nico.
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Post Post #3338 (isolation #506) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:11 pm

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Anyway, Maria lmk if you want me to answer any questions. I don't want you to vote him until you're 100% sure he's scum, not even if you're only 99% sure. Cause I feel like this has been my strongest town game in awhile and I should be clearly town. But, I understand if you'd be unsure since he's playing well
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Post Post #3339 (isolation #507) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 3337, stungun0404 wrote:it is obv at least to me koki will quick hammer
Like come on lol. This is one of the most forced posts I've ever seen in my mafia life.
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Post Post #3345 (isolation #508) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 3341, stungun0404 wrote:in fact, i wanted to lead towards nico SEVERAL times
You tried to lead on everyone equally.
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Post Post #3346 (isolation #509) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 3344, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3325, Kokichi Oma wrote:Again, as scum I would easily win in a 4 way with Prof as clear and you know it, Maria.
townclears are not to be messed around with though, so this is a moot point

you would not want two townclears at once in nsg and profii
NSG would be dead? So what does that even mean.
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Post Post #3347 (isolation #510) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:19 pm

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Stun I thought you would be more entertaining in Lylo. but your arguments have all been bad so far. You've relied on self meta to try and prove you are innocent. Gamma says that you relying on it should be enough to prove you're mafia btw
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Post Post #3351 (isolation #511) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:24 pm

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In post 2584, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2582, stungun0404 wrote:koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?
I can see you and Nico being scum together in a small chance. Which is why I don't want to lynch Profil first.
In post 2593, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii

not willing to comprise with nico, koki, because look what i did d1. i compromised for aronis, and guess what: that townflipped —> so i have to trust my instincts here when i find a player that is far and away scummier than the rest.

but reading end of d2 now!
In post 1751, northsidegal wrote:anyways, on an unrelated note, not sure why i should be townreading shoshin. from the very beginning i kind of just took it as a granted but looking back on his posts right now (and especially those from today), i realize that i was giving out far too easy of a townread.
interesting, you’ve considered the same situation with me today as shoshin yesterday. this should be signaling to you, then, since you were wrong there that perhaps one of your townreads is wrong (hint: profii)!
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
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In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
In post 2610, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
hey, i joined that wagon for a bit to start this day phase.

you never really pushed profii besides slight push end of day before going straight to creature wagon.

i just replaced in for a nico!town slot in heroes wanted which lurked out, so then it’s credible i am town that was defending her meta early on having just replaced in for in a game where i could sense she was town, right? :P

tbf, she is not clear town here like she was there, but sth just won’t allow me to settle on nico!scum rn
as maria would say :thinking:
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Post Post #3354 (isolation #512) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:25 pm

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In post 3349, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3347, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun I thought you would be more entertaining in Lylo. but your arguments have all been bad so far. You've relied on self meta to try and prove you are innocent. Gamma says that you relying on it should be enough to prove you're mafia btw
so bow gamma pops out of nowhere, eh?
He's always been there, but I figured I'd let maria know what he's said recently.
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Post Post #3356 (isolation #513) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:26 pm

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In post 2063, Kokichi Oma wrote:ftr I think it's likely Prof/Nico but I'm just laying everything on the table here since it's MYLO
convenient that you left this quote out, hmm?
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Post Post #3360 (isolation #514) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:30 pm

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In post 1547, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii because there is no logically backed reasoning that’s been addressed for anyone townreading him here, and that is usually a good sign a player is scum.

@profii, your dog (if that is your dog) is unbelievably cute, but that won’t save you from a lynchwagon :P

nico and profii are both scummy, shoshin. i’d honestly prefer a profii lynch though because he’s been more consistently scummy overall, and plus if he just so happens to flip town we have a lot more info to work with. i personally did not have much to work with regarding the aronis townflip because i expected it to happen, but i read back nonetheless and found profii still to be the scummiest player. even after resetting my reads and starting from scratch
In post 1574, stungun0404 wrote:good point @rc! and i believe you maria. can’t go wrong with a shoshin + maria + stungun lead wagon with friemds that agree (irrelephant, rc and gemini), can you?

seems like no one else has joined the profii wagon this day phase though—but why? especially when the leaders seem to be overall the most townread (with the exception of nsg with shoshin and creature with maria)? where is this resistance coming from?

VOTE: Profii, in connection with the web of scummy posts/scummy lies i caught him in last night phase, and the fact that once again no one could back up the reasoning for townreading him.

seems creature wagon wouldn’t go anywhere, anyway! i’d bet all of scum are in the pool of {profii, kokichi, creature and nicorobin}. main question is which among you are town?
In post 1587, stungun0404 wrote:hold on. i’m thinking i may have just found scum. this player’s not profii

UNVOTE: Profii
In post 1609, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Creature. seems this is the lynch i want right now
In post 1643, stungun0404 wrote:UNVOTE: Creature
In post 1684, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi. I have no reason to townread him at all off memory to be quite frank. I have some reason of my own to townread profii, so let’s see where this goes.
In post 1741, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Preature
VOTE: NSG straight outta compton
VOTE: Crow’s Feet She
VOTE: The Profiteer
VOTE: Week of Sobbing
VOTE: Shoshine Boy
VOTE: ScariaR

about where i’m at rn

p-edit: of course as i’m making this everyone shows up

count the real one @mod, which is


VOTE: Kokichi
In post 1778, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1776, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why the fuck is everyone suddenly so scummy.
this is something new?

also VOTE: Creature

creature/kokichi are likely of opposite alignment
Vote hopping from town to town day 2
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Post Post #3363 (isolation #515) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:36 pm

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In post 2011, stungun0404 wrote:i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that
In post 2064, stungun0404 wrote:
Spoiler: n
In post 1167, stungun0404 wrote:profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1
town stances
In post 77, profii wrote:just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum
In post 83, profii wrote: the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,
so lets just call that town for now.


the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.
In post 102, profii wrote:
I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis


So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either
102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

In post 133, profii wrote:Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game
he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?
In post 142, profii wrote:I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned
claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town
In post 151, profii wrote:Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good
another stance, and we are only 151 posts in
In post 387, profii wrote:
In post 371, the worst wrote:
In post 345, profii wrote:
In post 344, MariaR wrote:Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1
Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst
what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls
I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now
In post 394, profii wrote:Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys
that is 4 players
In post 399, profii wrote:
In post 395, the worst wrote:kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor
I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

In post 464, profii wrote:
In post 231, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 228, profii wrote:i am not a fine lynch :(
damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.
In post 425, Tchill13 wrote:I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?
so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,
koki is probably town
and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)
In post 530, profii wrote:I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is
mostly
TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe


My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.
sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.
In post 660, profii wrote:urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it
not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however




my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii





you tell me if you ever think these interactions are ever s vs. s in a game with a jailkeeper that can function as a cop with only one scum with the majority of these being on d1 and a few early d2. remember also that profii vote lingered on me early d1. so you’d have to believe we have been bussing each other from the get-go in that case.

should not even be a question, i wouldn’t buss with that type of power role possibly coming after me after his flip, especially if i am all alone and a townplayer would potentially be cleared in addition.
In post 2405, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: MariaR, i’ve been leaning this way for awhile in my head so it’s time to lock this sucker in
In post 2450, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii

sorry, but i’d rather lose this game to scum!maria than scum!profii. i would kick myself so many times if you flip scum and i ended my tunnel on you from d2 forward like i did
Also caught you in a lie about not vote hopping on day 3 on town too. You tried to push on everyone and found something that stuck.
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Post Post #3366 (isolation #516) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:43 pm

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I did have words with it. Just they were small for some reason.
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #517) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:44 pm

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Quoting is usually how I make cases. I've been told I need to try and tell people why I think the person I think is scum is scum, so that's what I've been trying to do. I think I did so much better this game, especially with my Nico meta trap I had with her.
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Post Post #3369 (isolation #518) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:46 pm

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Anyway, going to bed.
In post 3338, Kokichi Oma wrote:Anyway, Maria lmk if you want me to answer any questions. I don't want you to vote him until you're 100% sure he's scum, not even if you're only 99% sure. Cause I feel like this has been my strongest town game in awhile and I should be clearly town. But, I understand if you'd be unsure since he's playing well
Also Maria I'm serious about this. I literally won't even hammer Stun until you say that you and RC are convinced 100% I'm town
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #519) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:47 pm

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In post 3368, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2024, profii wrote:
In post 2000, schadd_ wrote:
d2 final vc


Creature
(5):
profii, stungun0404, Kokichi Oma, MariaR,
Creature

profii (1):
Shoshin

Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal
northsidegal (1):
NicoRobin

not voting (0):


with 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch
In post 1370, schadd_ wrote:
d1 final vc


Aronis
(5):
NicoRobin,
Shoshin
, Kokichi Oma, profii, stungun0404

profii (2):
Creature
, MariaR
Kokichi Oma (1):
northsidegal

not voting (1):
Aronis


with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
In post 2025, profii wrote:Hmm doesn’t look great for Koki actually
let’s not forget the way this made profii feel. he was unsettled by your placement just looking at the votes, and quite frankly i am too now that i look it, and i hope maria is

3rd on both town mislynches.

need to look at profii wagon too
Yes. I'm scum for being on the same wagons as you. Good catch.
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #520) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:44 am

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In post 3387, MariaR wrote:me if I vote kokichi like I've wanted
Lol are you serious
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Post Post #3399 (isolation #521) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:46 am

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In post 3395, MariaR wrote:Kokichi's fake sub out is when I started to sr him. He's done it as scum before but then I started questioning would he really do that to me as scum.
la la la. I'll debate over with RC
I've subbed out as town too. Me returning to the game had nothing to do with you, it was about gamma because its a partner game and it would be unfair to him
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Post Post #3401 (isolation #522) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:48 am

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In post 3397, MariaR wrote:
In post 3396, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3387, MariaR wrote:me if I vote kokichi like I've wanted
Lol are you serious
Dead.
I'm just disappointed because I feel like I've been pretty obvious town day 3 on when I finally started getting on my laptop and not phone posting like I was all day 1 and 2. I've explained my reads and not just called people scum.
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Post Post #3404 (isolation #523) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:50 am

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In post 3400, MariaR wrote:convenient but go on. You got me to townread you doing the exact same thing before
Why do you think I said you're sadly town? Kind of like how you did the fake claim thing day 1 in that other game after I called you out on it in heroes to test me.
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Post Post #3405 (isolation #524) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:52 am

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In post 3316, Kokichi Oma wrote:Look. I legit cannot be scum for 2 reasons. When you both wanted Profil before Nico, I'm the one who drove the lynch toward Nico when I was already being townread by both of you and NSG. There was no reason for me to take the risk.
In post 3317, Kokichi Oma wrote:2nd reason is because I would have killed NSG when she was jailing Profil. I was townread by both of you and and Profil scumread both of you over me. There was no reason for me as scum to not kill NSG and have Profil as the clear since I would be the least likely to be lynched. (also the fact that it was suboptimal to no kill)
In post 3321, Kokichi Oma wrote:It makes sense why Stun needed profil to be mislynched because look at Prof's reads.
In post 2920, Kokichi Oma wrote:yeah, I think Nico is best jail here because of that.
In post 2921, profii wrote:I’m not going to read the last pages but I did see stun fill in the table

That says enough that he is trying to push FLs town flip as me scum

So I’ll still say a no lynch is a best option here seeing as the town player amongst you 3 has apparently lost it
In post 2922, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay, prof. Who do you think is the town in us 3 as you so claim?
In post 2923, profii wrote:Rn I think it’s you
In post 2924, profii wrote:Stuns obv scum and Maria has put her self in a position where she can sit on me practically without being questioned

You seem to listen a little bit more and start to consider either possibilities
In post 2930, profii wrote:Maria / Stun 90%
You / Stun 9%
You / Maria 1%

Anything else 0%

If I’m scum I hammer Nico
If Nico scum she hammers me rn
NSG no cc so golden
I think this post in particular. I think the only reason NSG didn't die is because if prof was clear Stun is lynched 100% of the time.
In post 2710, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun
In post 2713, profii wrote:
In post 2707, stungun0404 wrote: logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.

.
This is a massive scum slip
In post 3323, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun knew that Maria would likely be jailed next because of the fact that NSG had a hard scumread on her. Stun had to rely on the fact that Maria early had him as a bigger townread than she did me. So he needed to take his chances in lylo.
Like this should be enough for you to vote him.
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Post Post #3407 (isolation #525) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:53 am

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Why would I not kill NSG when she was jailing prof, maria?
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Post Post #3408 (isolation #526) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:54 am

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In post 3406, MariaR wrote:Tempted to go based on meta and just hammer Kokichi and say fuck you to RC.
Pedit: Let me read.
I'm not going to ate you if that's what you're fishing for. I want to win on facts like I've been doing all game.
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Post Post #3411 (isolation #527) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:55 am

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Like literally. It shouldn't be that hard. Maria. Who gets lynched with prof as confirmed town. Me, you or stun? Prof stated that one of you had to be mafia. He was never lynching me.
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Post Post #3413 (isolation #528) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:57 am

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Only way stun could win was in this scenario since he probably thought you townread him slightly more than him and could win lylo
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Post Post #3414 (isolation #529) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:58 am

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I did earlier. Stun wanted prof lynched over nico. When I brought up that if he scumreads both why wont he vote nico and he skated around the idea
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Post Post #3415 (isolation #530) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:58 am

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In post 3351, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2584, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2582, stungun0404 wrote:koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?
I can see you and Nico being scum together in a small chance. Which is why I don't want to lynch Profil first.
In post 2593, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii

not willing to comprise with nico, koki, because look what i did d1. i compromised for aronis, and guess what: that townflipped —> so i have to trust my instincts here when i find a player that is far and away scummier than the rest.

but reading end of d2 now!
In post 1751, northsidegal wrote:anyways, on an unrelated note, not sure why i should be townreading shoshin. from the very beginning i kind of just took it as a granted but looking back on his posts right now (and especially those from today), i realize that i was giving out far too easy of a townread.
interesting, you’ve considered the same situation with me today as shoshin yesterday. this should be signaling to you, then, since you were wrong there that perhaps one of your townreads is wrong (hint: profii)!
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
In post 2610, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
hey, i joined that wagon for a bit to start this day phase.

you never really pushed profii besides slight push end of day before going straight to creature wagon.

i just replaced in for a nico!town slot in heroes wanted which lurked out, so then it’s credible i am town that was defending her meta early on having just replaced in for in a game where i could sense she was town, right? :P

tbf, she is not clear town here like she was there, but sth just won’t allow me to settle on nico!scum rn
as maria would say :thinking:
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Post Post #3419 (isolation #531) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:00 am

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He didnt want to vote nico (you either) until I pushed nico based on her fake meta tell.
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Post Post #3420 (isolation #532) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:00 am

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In post 3417, MariaR wrote:Kokichi asking me to be jailed rings a lot of bells for me too.
Need to dig into Stungun a bit
Oh my God. YOU asked to be jailed
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #533) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:00 am

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I was going with your plan
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Post Post #3423 (isolation #534) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:03 am

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In post 2643, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
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Post Post #3424 (isolation #535) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:04 am

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In post 2610, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
hey, i joined that wagon for a bit to start this day phase.

you never really pushed profii besides slight push end of day before going straight to creature wagon.

i just replaced in for a nico!town slot in heroes wanted which lurked out, so then it’s credible i am town that was defending her meta early on having just replaced in for in a game where i could sense she was town, right? :P

tbf, she is not clear town here like she was there, but sth just won’t allow me to settle on nico!scum rn
How can you say misrep when the quote is right here if you saying it
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Post Post #3425 (isolation #536) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:04 am

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In post 3416, MariaR wrote:I should go back and see who pushed Pro with me
It was stun.
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Post Post #3428 (isolation #537) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:09 am

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You know that's not my strong point. So you might as well vote me now.
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Post Post #3431 (isolation #538) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:11 am

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I've explained not only how I cant be scum but how he is scum. I dont know what else I need to do. I'm tired of repeating the same fucking points over and over again.
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Post Post #3433 (isolation #539) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 3427, stungun0404 wrote:you questioned him too, and voted him on a couple occasions. quit pinning all the blame on me
Notice how he switched from him leading on nico to this after I quoted lol
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Post Post #3435 (isolation #540) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:13 am

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I told you I wont ate.
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Post Post #3437 (isolation #541) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:14 am

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It's just you know that isnt my strong point. He will make a big wall of a post, and I'm not able to since I'm not used to it.
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Post Post #3438 (isolation #542) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:14 am

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I never said it was?
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Post Post #3459 (isolation #543) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:00 pm

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Okay, so this is going to be my final post as to why Stun is scum (even though you should have already seen the reasonings from my earlier posts), I'll be sure to go more in depth so you are 100% without a doubt sure that he is mafia here. I'm going to go based on the mindset of trying to find scum, and not with the mindset that he is already confirmed to me. So I'll be as unbias as I possibly can.




Spoiler: Final case for Stun being scum
In post 660, stungun0404 wrote:Tell me... Did this post make you feel insulted
viewtopic.php?p=10221796#p10221796

if so, I guess I can try to make up for it for by L-2ing myself now and going to sleep for the night

VOTE: Stungun
In post 675, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 654, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia
In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
Thanks, I guess? Lol.

I think your odds of being scum are slightly higher now. Last time I was asked to lay a vote down somewhere was when I was scum and I laid it down on the player that asked me since they asked me to vote.

So nicorobin might be scum. Idk how to interpret this
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
In this part of the game, he was beginning to get votes on him. Look how Nico votes him for no reason and the awkward response and 'scumread' he quickly lays on Nico to try and distance. It's lamented with the fact that he has the only reason for scumreading her was because Nico laid her vote on him, yet in the same breath stats that 'she
might
be scum' and he's unsure. It's safe to ask Nico to vote him here because he knows that one of the votes on himself is his own vote, and he can always unvote. In the event that he was eventually lynched, he used this as a setup to where Nico would be able to say that she can't be teamed with him because of the fact that Stun was trying to 'push' (even though he wasn't) her lynch by voting her, and in the same token voting him. I think this can be seen as distancing, but I'll look and see what else I find in terms of these two.

But in terms of reads. Lets backtrack slightly, look at the time between these posts. Less than 200 posts. Look at where he places Nico on his reads list at this point in the game.
In post 468, stungun0404 wrote:shoshin you think profii is townier than me? you townread me in an earlier post on like page 14 or 15 and never explained your reason why. but why is it?


my reads are still consistent, and if anything similar reads are super duper strange this early in the game in a nine player game that supposedly has a bunch of players that are hard to sort



stungun, shoshin
nicorobin (go meta her replace out games and scum games and you’ll see why i think this)
kokichi
aronis
creature
nsg
profii


your case shoshin had me convinced on profii-scum. if i have not changed at all, i don’t understand what has made you do so, but it’s strange

i’m going to bed tho here shortly, cuz i have to get up early. be back tomorrow

and also will reevaluate things and try to make some more substantive posts either tomorrow or the following day
He places Nico as one of his top townreads and uses meta to defend that. (Which is interesting in itself because that's what Nico used to defend herself too. It's possible they discussed this in scum chat as a way to be able to defend her.

So how is that by Nico placing one vote on him, does it swing Nico from a top townread to his number one scumread? Especially when he says that his reason for townreading her was meta based. Why would her vote change his read on her if the basis on his townread on her had to do with replace-out meta. This furthers my reasoning to think that this was a late distancing attempted because Stun feared that he would be lynched at this point in the game.

In post 751, stungun0404 wrote:Lol i ask nicorobin to cast a vote and she votes me

What kind of betrayal?
The wording of this post rubs me the wrong way, because if you think about it. What is the betrayal? Like, betraying someone is when you have an alliance with them. Not for someone you supposedly 'scumread' at that point in the game. I think this can be seen as a pseudo-slip in terms of perspective slip, but I admit this is minor so I'll keep looking.
In post 792, stungun0404 wrote:my early impression is scum is in kokichi, gif, and profii. will challenge that when digging into their iso's here shortly. i am going from least posts to most posts currently to form reads.
Very interesting that he magically drops his scumread of Nico when he realizes that people might start to unvote him. Notice that his is less than 100 posts after he called Nico scum for voting him and because of the betrayal. No need for him to push on his partner when he sees Profil can be a viable lynch candidate and myself at the same time. He also threw RC in there because I believe this is the point in the game where RC started to self vote, which could have netted him the mislynch that he was desperately searching for.
In post 882, stungun0404 wrote:lololol

but i’ll compromise with an aronis lynch if we must. just think there are plentiful options i’d prefer to him

but aronis, why don’t you enter the thread here and help us out?
In post 910, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Creature

if gif is town, creature is likely scum imo
In post 911, stungun0404 wrote:what makes kokichi town in this game though? it’s unsettling me a bit to try and decipher how others are forming that read
In post 913, stungun0404 wrote:actually VOTE: aronis

i’m kinda over this day phase tbch, and just want a flip

L-2
Notice how in all of these posts he seemingly makes a case that he can lynch everyone who we know is town at this point in the game. He started with just Me, RC and Profil as his lynch targets but then tries to setup an association that Creature and RC both can't be town, which would make it easier for him to mislynch the other later on.
In post 924, stungun0404 wrote:@shoshin, why is creature out of your pool? i would likely replace nico with creature. i can prove that nico lurks out of town games —> is this an excuse for them, no? but it likely means nico is town this game

lurkiest games for nico in terms of posts:
be yourself mafia (nico robin is prodded twice and replaces out with 5 posts from february 8th-11th); alignment —> town
flip here (note gamma emerald was the second replace-in for nico’s role): viewtopic.php?p=10000155#p10000155

micro 774 (7 posts from Jan 30th to february 10th after replacing in for a slot); alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74725&user_select%5B%5D=31019

micro 811 (nico makes 2 posts in one day then replaces out with no prods) —> alignment town
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76496

newbie 1870 (makes 4 posts in one day as SE before the worst replaces nico) —> alignment town

speaking of which, it looks like nico has a serious tendency of replacing out of town roles, so maybe that is where i have been getting that impression from



yippee, i found a town game where nico was seriously invested! 416 game related posts from may 2nd, 2018 to june 14th, 2018. = why can’t nr do that consistently? 416/44 = roughly 9.45 posts per game day. kokichi was in this game as scum, so that can uphold what he threw out earlier in his perspective of nico being lurkier as scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071&user_select% ... &start=400

mini theme 2008: both kokichi and nico were scum; first scum game for nico i can trace back to!
96 posts from april 30th to may 26th = 96/27 = just under 4 posts per game day, but a sort of consistency in keeping up with the thread in this scum game. therefore, kokichi’s statement of concern re: nico being lurkier as scum appears more valid from his perspective having seen the games they have been and considered them based off number of posts.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76100

maria’s anime binge mafia: which included all of kokichi, nicorobin, and i. kokichi and nicorobin were town, and on my alt i was a scum replace-in for nsg in this game. this game also involved a town creature, so this might be worth studying up on, although it is a large theme.
nicorobin: 18 posts from may 3rd to may 18th; alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75978

touhou ucanpick5 mafia; nicorobin —> town replace-in and replace-out —> 1 post on april 12th
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75489&user_select%5B%5D=31019

mini 2000: 4 posts in 2 days by nicorobin, including one calling for a replace-out
alignment —> town
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75505&user_select%5B%5D=31019

kokichi seen a less lurkier town game of nico’s in grand idea mafia, so again further to his credit
Now, this post pings drastically. Look at the effort he gave to try and prove that Nico is town here based on meta again (a theme we are starting to seem form with both Stun and Nico trying to prove their innocence based on meta.) Also something to remember later on is that if he was so convinced that Nico replaces out during her town games, why did he not push on Nico harder in the latter part of the game when she was still in the game and had not replaced yet? Since his whole read on her was 'meta'
In post 970, stungun0404 wrote:profii claimed vt.

who here believes him? i genuinely do not believe he finds me to be the scummiest player on his wagon :lol:

and he is getting ON me for starting gif’s wagon, when he followed it?
In post 986, stungun0404 wrote:creature’s votes today: aronis and profii
In post 987, stungun0404 wrote:in fact, VOTE: creature

i am thinking he is scum here actually

he hates waiting for mislynches, and so votes as scum to add to town mislynches

he did this in lynchpin mafia. he is doing it here again with now both aronis and profii
He had his top scumread to L1 and he decides to unvote? I think it's possible that based on the first quote he got a claim from Prof and ultimately decided that he could push on Creature and try to get another claim/mislynch as he could still hunt for JK with more knowledge of a Creature claim as well.
In post 1345, stungun0404 wrote:it’s been awhile since i have had the hammer vote, haha. this must be 2016 all over again!

VOTE: Aronis

i will pray this flips scum, though my gut is screaming differently. :neutral:

i really think he will flip town :cry:

prove me wrong, scumhunting overlords!
This post in general just screams to me as someone knowing Aronis will flip town and pretending not to know their alignment

((Just so you know, I'm extremely tired right now so I'm going to rush through this as I need to be up in 6 hrs))
In post 1517, stungun0404 wrote:you know what maria, let’s do it!

VOTE: NicoRobin
In post 1547, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Profii because there is no logically backed reasoning that’s been addressed for anyone townreading him here, and that is usually a good sign a player is scum.

@profii, your dog (if that is your dog) is unbelievably cute, but that won’t save you from a lynchwagon :P

nico and profii are both scummy, shoshin. i’d honestly prefer a profii lynch though because he’s been more consistently scummy overall, and plus if he just so happens to flip town we have a lot more info to work with. i personally did not have much to work with regarding the aronis townflip because i expected it to happen, but i read back nonetheless and found profii still to be the scummiest player. even after resetting my reads and starting from scratch
At this point in the game, you can tell that Stun has a habit of voting Nico and then a page later quickly moving onto someone else to vote. Even after these posts, he votes Creature when he stated that Nico and Prof were his 2 biggest scumreads. I think he is still trying to get Creature to L1 to get a claim out of him, since he knows Nico is his partner and that Prof already claimed VT.
In post 1859, stungun0404 wrote:i have a bad feeling about a nico lynch if i am being utterly honest at this moment in time. i think if it townflips we have little info to go off of :(
Another instance of soft defending his partner whenever Nico was brought up in the game or showed up. If you notice he seemed way more focused on calling a lot of people scum this game, but whenever Nico was brought up, he would give a reason as to why she could be town by meta or that he has a 'feeling' she will flip town.
In post 2017, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2011, stungun0404 wrote:i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that
Also this post is shady. You say yesterday you thought I was JK? Then why did you try to get me lynched yesterday?
Here I caught him in a slip. He stated that all of yesterday he thought that I was Jailkeeper, yet he insisted that I be lynched whenever my name was brought up. Why would he try to get his jailkeeper read lynched? And why is he looking for jailkeeper at that point in time so much?
In post 2019, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2016, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria/RC slot I'm lock towning, because of meta from Maria that I don't want to reveal but she did yesterday when I was testing her.
that locktown read makes me feel unsettled though. ugh :-/

i don’t think i trust maria right now either. help me find some reason to, at least!

primarily i suspect {koki, maria, profii} rn.
Interesting that he would leave out Nico even though he would constantly vote her momentarily. It's clear that he was trying to drive a mislynch while subtly just saying Nico could be scum without ever actually hard pushing her as scum.
In post 2050, stungun0404 wrote:all of nico’s votes: stungun —> aronis (conftown) —> nsg (likely jailkeeper)

what is town about this voting pattern? answer: absolutely nothing. so nicorobin can very well be scum here. did not move off nsg at all last day phase.
In post 654, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia
In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
responds to voting prompt by voting me, which is scummy. why as town vote the person asking you to vote directly, and rather go for someone you explicitly find scummy.

puts me at l-3. lingers on my vote wagon even as i am put to L-2, which at that point gif and kokichi hop off my wagon, but nico stays on supposedly clinging to her town meta excuse. she finally pops up when aronis starts to scumread her to vote aronis who was classic lynchbait.

responds to creature’s supposed jk and votes nsg, but never moves off her while both creature and profii eventually change vote wagons even while creature claimed he was not jk. she’s just looking for excuses to linger on vote wagons, i don’t like it and it looks very antitown.

also, i don’t like that nico’s only townread was placed on profii, when i asked her about it d1. why profii? his tone apparently? well that’s how i felt about aronis but nico went and led a lynchwagon there on d1 so i don’t want to trust nico here unless she can produce something more substantial.

question is: does nico!scum ever vote for a partner in a game with only one partner? next research topic for sure! if not, then we can fairly safely assume that she’ll flip scum.
Speaking of which, he does it once more. Pretending to case her, but strangely enough does not lay a vote on her. And doesn't bother to put her in his lynch pool. :thinking:
In post 2205, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2202, NicoRobin wrote:Except contributing nothing is my town trait.
and
why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion
, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.
Funny how he says this considering he himself did a 'meta' dive on her and has used it to defend her this whole game so far.
In post 2227, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Nico
In post 2233, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
deal! if nsg can agree

although i don’t think scum that is partners with nico offers themselves up here like this.
In post 2322, stungun0404 wrote:something just feels wrong about the direction i am heading in, ugh! and when i sense this in MYLO, it’s clear i need to reconsider some things appropriately, so that i don’t feel this way.

UNVOTE: Nico
Interesting that the one time that he agrees to lynch Nico is when Maria brings up the plan. If that plan goes through as Maria stated, he would have been able to skate to a free win with Pro lynched in that situation. But, notice later on when Maria backs off of that plan, he unvotes Nico again stating the he is 'unsure'
In post 2548, stungun0404 wrote:absolutely, even though my reads have varied wildly today, much like creature’s did when he was in the game, at the moment from most willing to least willing to lynch it’s

profii, by quite a bit
kokichi
maria
nico —> to be fair, the fact that she’s the only player that has not casted an angle thinking i might be scum and we’re in MYLO kinda seems town suggestive to me.
nsg/stun

still, kokichi if you are scum, props to you i can tell you i think you have far and away played the best game among all of the 4 remaining slots in that situation.
He's apparently so unsure, that he again has Nico as his highest townread, even though he states that he was 'leading' on Nico.
In post 2584, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2582, stungun0404 wrote:koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?
I can see you and Nico being scum together in a small chance. Which is why I don't want to lynch Profil first.
In post 2585, stungun0404 wrote:touche you and profii, which is why i don’t want nico first lol.

so how will we compromise then?

shall you iso nico in my iso just to see if you can maintain that stance afterwards?
In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.
In post 2589, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.
the fact that neither shoshin or i ever felt concerned about any townreads on nico is indicating to me that she might be town. profii’s townread on her just didn’t make me feel about nico as much as it did about profii. it’s more a concern of if nico!scum, then why does nico!town seem so plausible relative to the other remaining players for me.
Look at these sequence of posts which I think is damning to prove stun is scum. He shows here how hesitant he is to lynch Nico after I tried getting him to lynch Nico. His reasoning is a BS reason to use Shoshin as the reason why.
In post 2669, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1634, stungun0404 wrote:i actually like creature’s response here myself as well. ugh, who even is scum then?


@creature, just so i know before deciding to unvote you, why do you think nico “feels” town?
why am I asking this for a pair?
it's usually nonsensical for a scum player to question a townread on another scumplayer
In post 2670, stungun0404 wrote:* if we are a pair
This sequence of posts is awkward especially when he tried to make the correction to say that 'IF' they were a pair. I think this could have just been a slip, but I didn't notice it until now since I was focused on other things. He pretty much admitted that Nico was his scum partner in this post.
In post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase. :D

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.
In post 2664, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase. :D

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.
looking specifically for mentions of "nico" I forgot to add
In post 2666, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2663, Kokichi Oma wrote:Going into tomorrow stun if nico flips scum, what's your percentage on who her partner is between prof and maria.
80% profii

20% maria

I remember maria early this day phase wanting to avoid the nico lynch until we steadied on it iirc, and she wanted to be JK but then backed off with her vote because rc wanted her to wait. it was a very strange way to handle things. meanwhile, I lingered on the wagon for like 2 days roughly.
In post 2668, stungun0404 wrote:she was like "profii is getting lynched no matter what"
In post 2671, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1856, stungun0404 wrote:creature, what are your thoughts on nico? would you encourage a policy lynch there right now if it happened?
wouldn't ask about a policy lynch on a prospective partner

I was also the first to seriously consider nico!scum this day phase in my : why make the case I made there in MYLO if we are partners?
In post 2673, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2052, stungun0404 wrote:here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here
In post 2054, stungun0404 wrote:i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.


i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn
2 other posts this day phase that are nonsensical if nico + stun team were the case.

that good enough to ease your worries koki? like sure, if that scenario comes --> nsg can jail me if you are certain you think it is the best move, but knowing I am town I would heavily discourage it.
In post 2674, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis
one last thing... i swear!

nico voteparked on me for 8 days (from August 4th to August 12th) on D1 until she moved to aronis, all the while i was being considered a lynchwagon and was taken to L-2 twice, which was super strange and lowkey scumpinged me at the time but i never did anything about it until now :-/


she was the first or second vote on my wagon, I cannot recall which off the top of my head, but she joined it on its second rendition.
In post 2677, stungun0404 wrote:ok!

lynch —> nico

jail —> maria

in effect if we lynch now just b/c if nsg dies, she’d have to stick by her word so we don’t mislynch no one!
This is another damning string of posts. Notice hoe paranoid he is that he thinks that everyone would think that him and Nico could be a pair. This is the most defending he has done with anyone thinking that he could be paired scum with someone in the game. It seems like he was a bit worried and knew that he would have to lay the groundwork as to why him and Nico can't be scum together since he knew at this point with me pushing hard on Nico that it was very clear that Nico could be lynched. It's topped off with the last post where he tries to make sure that Maria will be jailed over him if Nico flips scum.
In post 3321, Kokichi Oma wrote:It makes sense why Stun needed profil to be mislynched because look at Prof's reads.
In post 2920, Kokichi Oma wrote:yeah, I think Nico is best jail here because of that.
In post 2921, profii wrote:I’m not going to read the last pages but I did see stun fill in the table

That says enough that he is trying to push FLs town flip as me scum

So I’ll still say a no lynch is a best option here seeing as the town player amongst you 3 has apparently lost it
In post 2922, Kokichi Oma wrote:Okay, prof. Who do you think is the town in us 3 as you so claim?
In post 2923, profii wrote:Rn I think it’s you
In post 2924, profii wrote:Stuns obv scum and Maria has put her self in a position where she can sit on me practically without being questioned

You seem to listen a little bit more and start to consider either possibilities
In post 2930, profii wrote:Maria / Stun 90%
You / Stun 9%
You / Maria 1%

Anything else 0%

If I’m scum I hammer Nico
If Nico scum she hammers me rn
NSG no cc so golden
I think this post in particular. I think the only reason NSG didn't die is because if prof was clear Stun is lynched 100% of the time.
In post 2710, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun
In post 2713, profii wrote:
In post 2707, stungun0404 wrote: logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.

.
This is a massive scum slip
In post 3323, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stun knew that Maria would likely be jailed next because of the fact that NSG had a hard scumread on her. Stun had to rely on the fact that Maria early had him as a bigger townread than she did me. So he needed to take his chances in lylo.
-------

As I pointed out in these posts, the reason why NSG wasn't killed when she was jailing prof is because Prof had a hard scumread on Stun, there is no way Stun would have been able to survive the lynch with Prof as clear and me townreading you, Maria.


Okay so that concludes my reasonings as to why he is scum. I didn't even include any of the reasonings that prove that I am town (because you requested)

--------

I will post one more thing since you think that it pings you that I asked for you to be jailed. You're the one who asked to be jailed.
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
In post 2233, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2228, MariaR wrote:You think I'm scum with nico?
Let's get on the bus then choo choo
we can jail me I'll power lynch Pro after the jk dies and if we lose with kokichi being scum we can fully pin the blame on you.
Deal?
deal! if nsg can agree

although i don’t think scum that is partners with nico offers themselves up here like this.
Here it's proven that if you look in the timeframe and quotes that it was actually STUN that was the first one to agree to your plan. He was the one who wanted it as well as you can see that he reiterated it as well here
In post 2677, stungun0404 wrote:ok!

lynch —> nico

jail —> maria

in effect if we lynch now just b/c if nsg dies, she’d have to stick by her word so we don’t mislynch no one!
So, i think you just have it mistaken that I was the one leading to jail you. When it was originally you both who came up with the plan to jail you. So if anything you should be scumreading him for it.


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Post Post #3460 (isolation #544) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:01 pm

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Stun don't reply to it, as Maria stated. Should wait for her to post again before we reply to each other's statements.
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Post Post #3462 (isolation #545) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:51 am

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Where is Maria.
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Post Post #3473 (isolation #546) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 am

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That's more than 1 post but ok. I'll reply later tonight.
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Post Post #3474 (isolation #547) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:08 am

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I skimmed it and all of those replies that I've seen are subjective so this will be easily lol.
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Post Post #3482 (isolation #548) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:00 pm

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I think she said 1 post not 1 page. But alright.
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Post Post #3483 (isolation #549) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:00 pm

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Plus youre literally just repeating the same thing over and over again
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Post Post #3484 (isolation #550) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:01 pm

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I'll give you my reply later tonight
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Post Post #3488 (isolation #551) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:34 pm

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In post 3481, stungun0404 wrote:if koki supposedly lead towards the lynch on nico, then why did i beat koki both times the nico wagon took majority onto there?

koki was scum that was only willing to vote later on the lynch, and is using that he lead today as evidence against me... that is bs

In post 2700, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: both of them fucking golden berried after i beat them twice
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Vote count 3.5


NicoRobin (3):
stungun0404, MariaR, Kokichi Oma
Kokichi Oma (1):
NicoRobin
MariaR (1):
profii

not voting (1):
northsidegal

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 3 ends september 15th at 17:15 central US time; in (expired on 2018-09-15 18:15:00)


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Spoiler: i noticed this and took a screenshot of it on two separate occasions so im including it again
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NicoRobin (4):
northsidegal, stungun0404, Kokichi Oma, MariaR

stungun0404 (2):
profii, NicoRobin

not voting (0):


with 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
This is laughable with context lol
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Post Post #3495 (isolation #552) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:57 pm

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In post 3451, stungun0404 wrote:why? well, why on earth are two players going to debate over 2 vanilla townie roles as to which role they take? obviously, they are going to choose which game, rather than which role, and therefore koki cannot be vanilla townie since gamma was vanilla townie.
lol this is such a stretch. I clearly meant Role PMs but they werent in PMs so I just said Roles. Since there was no scum role, I told gamma to choose first, otherwise I would have picked first.

(this isn't my response, but I just had to reply to this cause it's so forced lol)
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Post Post #3507 (isolation #553) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:38 pm

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His posts are really hard to reply to and most of them are a waste of time. because they are like "lol! defending nico!" when it was clearly not a defense of nico or he misreps the post, or did something very similar that's even worse which I point out in my case.

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In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:nsg calls out koki here for not sorting players, but koki takes it as an attack and calls it a complete lie, which looks bad with nsg!town flip precisely for how he handled it. he took it as nsg lying about him not wanting to sort players.
Um? How does this make me scum at all because of how I play? I usually just give reads and I don't go in depth. So early on I was doing the same thing, but Day 3 on I decided to try and be more in depth because I was told I need to explain my reads more instead of just stating them.

I could pull out a random quote from prof and say the same thing about you calling him a liar because of whatever reason.
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:i cannot ever remember koki being concerned enough about me voting him to the point of where he wanted to provide a bunch of links as town, which i have played in 2 games where he was town

kokichi has consistently asked for links to supposably look into things, only to not follow up on the links with any analysis, in essence giving empty questions. you can find this scattered throughout his iso.
So, I'm scum because I can provide links to prove that I act like this as town? (which is the same thing he was doing as well ftr. He's just grasping at straws at this point.
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:i pointed this out as a bad use of possibility > probability earlier, which was scummy. this can give off the suggestion she had knowledge also that nico had a scum role. it is very unlikely a slot gets double scum. because it is improbable a slot gets double scum, why question it unless you know nico is scum in one game?
Oh, so now I'm scum because of possibilities and probabilities. Me suggesting that both people could get 2 scum roles makes me mafia.
WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE PUSHED ON MARIA WHEN HE KNEW MARIA'S PARTNER WAS SCUM WITH HIS PARTNER.
so if he really had this line of thought, why would it be scummy for me saying it, and him doing the actions of it? (because he clearly 'thought' that Maria and RC both had scum roles in different games
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:creature very clearly did not think i was scum if he made this post and urged others to get off my lynchwagon at an earlier point, and nsg said creature tends to have good reads

he was right about nico, and he considered koki a possibility as scum.
Oh? Creature had good reads? Maybe you're right.
Let's look at Creature's last post about me.

In post 1904, Creature wrote:we gotta find the scum
between
Kokichi and Nico then
He implies that there is one scum between me and Nico and the other is town. Nico flips scum, so what does that make me since Creature had really good reads?
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:how the hell do you have weak scumreads in this particular game? because you are stuck pocketing a lot of town, don't want to make a hard push, and by extension want to soften the impact to your own slot of any push that you make
It was the beginning of the game and this is way out of context. I clearly said that Day 3 and on is when I started getting into the game more, which is whenever everyone started townreading me. Before I was barely posting because sometimes when I'm town (admittedly) I have a hard time getting into the game. So all your posts so far have been subjective as hell where as mine have legit questions to them.
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:you pick profii not because he is scummy to you, but because you think you can read creature better. but then you help mislynch creature

and in fact, you choose the creature wagon over profii which could have happened first. and the aronis wagon too! you had two chances to drive the last-minute lynch in the direction of profii, you kept him around likely for the sake of nico.
I don't get the coorelation between Prof and Nico because at the beginning point of the game Prof actually scumread Nico and was voting her for awhile. So again, you try to twist words out of context. The only reason I scumread creature is because he had a god awful 180 read on me and I have regrets on it.
In post 3458, stungun0404 wrote:everyone is not scummy, then suddenly everyone is scummy, but you are not explaining why you feel that way
Maria, he actually pointed out my town meta without knowing it lmfao. (remember this is before I started trying to change the way I played mid game.)


Like, if there is a specific quote you want me to answer to then let me know. Cause sorry I'm not gonna stay up late again when I've been obvious fucking town Day 3 on. Everyone townread me.


Let me repeat:
WHY WOULD I NOT KILL NSG WHEN PROF WAS BEING JAILED. YOU 2 WERE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH AND PROF SCUMREAD STUN. I'D SKATE TO AN EASY WIN.


^^ Literally that's all I should have to post for everyone with logic to realize I can't be scum because there is no statistical reason to bring my chances from a 33% (technically I'd say about 5% since I was the townread by everyone) to a 50/50 chance in lylo.

So like I said Maria what do YOU think? What does RC think.
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Post Post #3508 (isolation #554) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:39 pm

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In post 3506, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3017, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: prof
In post 3022, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok. UNVOTE:

Prof. I will give you 1 hr from your next post to convince me why you are not scum.
In post 3267, Kokichi Oma wrote:As long as NSG and/or Maria (if she is indeed town like I think she is) townreads me, scum can't win. So we can NL

VOTE: NL
all koki has done since with votes
This is the kind of stuff you guys want me to respond to lmfao.

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Post Post #3515 (isolation #555) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:16 am

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In post 3512, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2911, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prof flipping scum I say jail Stun just in case.
lol, you suggest prof gets lynched, and stun gets jailed, so you and nico can win the game

? How? If prof flips scum how are both me and nico scum
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Post Post #3516 (isolation #556) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:18 am

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Hes still just spam posting arguments that dont make sense or repeating himself over and over
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Post Post #3519 (isolation #557) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:27 am

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Lmk before you vote if you're confused or want clarity on anything or want me to respond to something in particular
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Post Post #3524 (isolation #558) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:19 am

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Why is kokichi town who everyone townread in the 6 way town. Funny
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Post Post #3542 (isolation #559) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:48 am

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All he is doing is spamming the same thing over and over. I gave you why I can't be scum and why hes scum. Not sure what else you need from me. I'm not gonna post the same thing 20 times
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Post Post #3544 (isolation #560) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:26 pm

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Because its true
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Post Post #3545 (isolation #561) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:26 pm

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I can do that too but its unnecessary to read
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Post Post #3547 (isolation #562) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:52 pm

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Because I'm talking to the clear, not you. You're scum why would I be trying to look good for you?
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Post Post #3555 (isolation #563) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:49 pm

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In post 3551, stungun0404 wrote:all of a sudden, d3 nico is scum to koki. hmm, i wonder why?
I explained why and I caught her with the meta slip. And you literally said this 20x already and I explained already
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Post Post #3562 (isolation #564) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:23 pm

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In post 3558, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 2117, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2107, profii wrote:If you look at my scum games
I get lynched pretty fast almost every time
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Wait! That's wrong!

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You won pretty easily as scum here and you were townread by mostly everyone. Why lie?
apparently, you “caught”profii here too
what made nico’s lie different?
You realize I had nico and profil as my scumreads yes? But thanks for proving my point for me
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Post Post #3563 (isolation #565) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:26 pm

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In post 501, Kokichi Oma wrote:Profil I'm nervous on trying to get a read on. Last time I hard town read him and he was scum.
Also this is why I was hesitant on profil cause I've read him wrong which is why I was more sure on nico.
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Post Post #3564 (isolation #566) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:26 pm

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But please, keep making it more obvious I'm town
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Post Post #3568 (isolation #567) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:38 pm

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In post 3565, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 3563, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 501, Kokichi Oma wrote:Profil I'm nervous on trying to get a read on. Last time I hard town read him and he was scum.
Also this is why I was hesitant on profil cause I've read him wrong which is why I was more sure on nico.
wouldn’t that same supposed logic explain the entirety of my nico townread that you chose to hold against me in favor of nico plus stun scum associatives? as i am tentative to scumread her having just replaced in for nico townslot i could tell was town; and plus jk circumstances.

yes, i have repeated this particular argument now, but you have never addressed it to be fair.
Clearly not the same as misreading someone
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Post Post #3584 (isolation #568) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:34 pm

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I was town. How the fuck did you hammer me lmfao
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