In post 1137, northsidegal wrote: In post 990, Toranaga wrote:one of the games she posted so much so hard she was still top poster d3 and died n1
and it was a lot of... meta diving people, making very deep reads
what game was this? not doubting you, just wondering so i can look back
this one was because of a long v/la though
i'm liking the meta reads much more for town than the catch-up posts honestly, although i'm still not sure how actually town-indicative they are - after all, meta reads are pretty factual; it's a lot of just straight up pointing to evidence and a lot less of your own personal take on things, so they can come from town or scum equally as often. i think as scum (at least, in one game) i used meta reads as a crutch to avoid having to give real reads (not to say that i don't use meta a lot as town or that you should take it as a scumtell - don't do that.)
in terms of why i didn't like the catch-up posts for town, it's because they reminded me a lot of a scumgame i played on a secret alt once where if you just sort of read through the thread and react to a lot of posts it comes out as just a lot of words which people are inclined to towntell
and also i still haven't seen
The Tell
assuming that
The Tell
is what i think it is.
I'm just quoting NSG here as one example in one game, but this isn't targeted at her.
TBQH the mysterious towntell posts at me are super annoying. They aren't helpful to anyone else in the game to read me because they're not in on your secret, they don't help anyone else read your slots because you're stating a read without explaining it, it's not content I can engage with or respond to, and it makes the game (mafia in general) a lot less fun for me.
I replaced in and had to catch up on 30 pages, THEN go into analysis mode and work out all of the cases and thought processes I am pursuing and find time to do the research that you guys could have been doing all game, and the response is to dismiss addressing what I've said with this hand wavey "she hasn't shown her mysterious town tell yet" excuse.
I know that every time that I play a game where I don't spend dozens of hours pounding out work like in American Presidents, people are going to freak out that I'm not playing my town game, so I'm already discouraged and burned out (pretty much like how Toranga is treating NSG). I was already extremely burned out after American Presidents because I found out that my giant amounts of effort only led people to town read me: WITHOUT EVEN READING MY WORK, nevermind engaging with it. The most I was remembered for was my neapolitan green checks when I had spent so many hours writing so many words and thoughts.
So it's kind of infuriating and just demotivational if everyone just sits around expecting me to write a bunch of shit so they can easily town read me instead of actually thinking about my views, opinions, read progressions, etc. and engaging with it and using it to cooperate on solving the game together. Like, I'm pretty sure this is why GNB wrote the disclaimer he did.
If people just expect me to put out walls of hard work so they can get a lazy town read, but the content of what I'm writing doesn't change anyone's mind or get any responses, what the hell am I on the site for? Do I need to lurk a dozen times as town to "reset" my meta?
But WRT catch up posts:
I have seen catch up posts that are just a bunch of reactions and IIOA to look like content/busywork. I don't think mine are like that. I think that I used to posts that were just reactions to each individual post, so I tried to write specific notes that build towards cases or contribute to distinct reads, and show my work for how I got to those reads. In some cases, the case I'm working towards is too large to explain into notes without going on a 200 word deviation, so I'm saving them separately until I can string together all of the thoughts cohesively into a case, which takes a LOT of time. I'd appreciate if they were engaged with on a specific topic or moment because you have the opportunity to think about whether or not my reactions or reads make sense in the context of the game state and my slot's perspective being town or scum, and not just dismiss it with a "catch ups can be faked LAMIST word vomit" argument.