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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 1137, northsidegal wrote:in terms of why i didn't like the catch-up posts for town, it's because they reminded me a lot of a scumgame i played on a secret alt once where if you just sort of read through the thread and react to a lot of posts it comes out as just a lot of words which people are inclined to towntell
to quote the great Ruby Red
:up: :up: :up:

and I'm still kinda waiting on the tell (c) too.
it's more of a suspicion of my own but it's usually the moment that makes me go "oh fuck lol" because I'm usually scum against Nauci
so I haven't trademarked it yet
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

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In post 1141, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1065, Ausuka wrote:oh ok then i'll just follow consensus reads. dunnstral and me are the scumteam. game solved yay :D
"towny"

"ausuka probs v"

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In post 1142, northsidegal wrote:
Spoiler: rude comment inside, i apologize in advance
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qft^2
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:18 pm

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BTW for disclosure:
my main back of mind concern with Nauci is that her read on me is sloppy and I haven't seen a strong tell from glancing thru her posts

I'm still v v null on a player I don't like being null on which means I still need to put in quality sorting time :cool:

if anyone wants to engage me pre emptively on Nauci I would be fine w that
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:37 pm

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Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:59 pm

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Had to go to boyfriend's office because my roommate made smoked salmon but he has no sense of smell to detect that my entire apartment reeks and I couldn't stop coughing yaaaay
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:16 pm

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jfc that should be illegal
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:20 pm

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In post 1142, northsidegal wrote:
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you have to be really bad mafia to not be able to play like this as mafia

and I'll save the mean comment if you're town
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:21 pm

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IDK

nsg posts literally anything and everyone townreads her

let's just get shit through then

dunn is annoying as well. "why do I have to post?" well good job mate, everyone wants you lynched and this is your contribution
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:24 pm

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In post 1153, Dunnstral wrote:Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that
also, do you know why? cause this isn't your standard potato mafiascum game. a lot of people in this are actually good. if all you do is roll over, you get POE'd down and killed.

so gj getting lynched dunn, was a pleasure playing with you my mate
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:29 pm

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In post 1148, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1146, Nauci wrote:
In post 1142, northsidegal wrote:
Spoiler: rude comment inside, i apologize in advance
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:lol:

Thanks for saving me from making a wallpost for 2 hours :o
don't let me stop you :wink:
In post 1147, Nauci wrote:
In post 1145, northsidegal wrote:is it a towntell to agree with someone else pointing out the potentially questionable reasoning for a townread on yourself?

not sure!
is this about me

I'm so lost
yeah. my was about why volxen's push on your slot as he was going down may not be a reason to associatevly townread you (which you agreed with). what did you think it was about?
I thought it was but get reeeeaaally paranoid-awkward when there's room for misinterpretation

like the same feeling as when I'm on a sidewalk with someone coming the other way and we both try to dodge each other but end up blocking each other and I have to guess which way they're going and oh no ive fallen down a pit of awkwardness and will now cringe myself out of existence ok bye
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:04 pm

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He has almost no sense of smell and I have a nearly super human sense of smell

He's Indian and makes Indian food with like 5x the spices so I can taste his food with my eyeballs from upstairs sometimes

Fish though

Fish oil sticks to everything
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:12 pm

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that should be illegal. D:
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:13 pm

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except spices tho
spices are lurvely
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:54 pm

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In post 1153, Dunnstral wrote:Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that
Do you think you’ve solved this game? (In your last post you concluded I was scum - I think you’ll need to read a bit more).

If you don’t want to contribute anymore replace out.
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:56 pm

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In post 1142, northsidegal wrote:
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Thanks - but what about the third option:

A townie who is finding it to hard town read you?
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:00 pm

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the cuttingly satirical tone of that post does not allow for that third option.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:07 pm

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In post 1128, Nauci wrote: [*]
@Keyser
Why did me scum reading you for the first 8 pages make you want to scum read/re-evaluate my slot? What would be the scum train of thought to do something like
My tone was semi serious: but tbh Sesq on D1 gives me enough reason to not lynch you today.

D2, your slot has been focused on killing townies. I just think you need to re-evaluate the playerlist.
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:57 pm

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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:03 pm

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In post 1166, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1128, Nauci wrote: [*]
@Keyser
Why did me scum reading you for the first 8 pages make you want to scum read/re-evaluate my slot? What would be the scum train of thought to do something like
My tone was semi serious: but tbh Sesq on D1 gives me enough reason to not lynch you today.

D2, your slot has been focused on killing townies. I just think you need to re-evaluate the playerlist.
Okay first of all, it's really bizarre for you to say "D2, your slot." While talking to me. That's some weird 3rd person round about stuff.

Second, my slot has spent more time declaring and protecting town reads thus far while I continue to work on my scum cases when I have time. So that's either confirmation bias refusing to see what I'm spending my time on, or a misrepresentation.
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:20 pm

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In post 1137, northsidegal wrote:
In post 990, Toranaga wrote:one of the games she posted so much so hard she was still top poster d3 and died n1

and it was a lot of... meta diving people, making very deep reads
what game was this? not doubting you, just wondering so i can look back
In post 993, Nauci wrote:lurk then replace out :< :< :<
this one was because of a long v/la though
In post 999, Toranaga wrote:nauci is town as fuck
i'm liking the meta reads much more for town than the catch-up posts honestly, although i'm still not sure how actually town-indicative they are - after all, meta reads are pretty factual; it's a lot of just straight up pointing to evidence and a lot less of your own personal take on things, so they can come from town or scum equally as often. i think as scum (at least, in one game) i used meta reads as a crutch to avoid having to give real reads (not to say that i don't use meta a lot as town or that you should take it as a scumtell - don't do that.)

in terms of why i didn't like the catch-up posts for town, it's because they reminded me a lot of a scumgame i played on a secret alt once where if you just sort of read through the thread and react to a lot of posts it comes out as just a lot of words which people are inclined to towntell

and also i still haven't seen
The Tell
assuming that
The Tell
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I'm just quoting NSG here as one example in one game, but this isn't targeted at her.

TBQH the mysterious towntell posts at me are super annoying. They aren't helpful to anyone else in the game to read me because they're not in on your secret, they don't help anyone else read your slots because you're stating a read without explaining it, it's not content I can engage with or respond to, and it makes the game (mafia in general) a lot less fun for me.

I replaced in and had to catch up on 30 pages, THEN go into analysis mode and work out all of the cases and thought processes I am pursuing and find time to do the research that you guys could have been doing all game, and the response is to dismiss addressing what I've said with this hand wavey "she hasn't shown her mysterious town tell yet" excuse.

I know that every time that I play a game where I don't spend dozens of hours pounding out work like in American Presidents, people are going to freak out that I'm not playing my town game, so I'm already discouraged and burned out (pretty much like how Toranga is treating NSG). I was already extremely burned out after American Presidents because I found out that my giant amounts of effort only led people to town read me: WITHOUT EVEN READING MY WORK, nevermind engaging with it. The most I was remembered for was my neapolitan green checks when I had spent so many hours writing so many words and thoughts.

So it's kind of infuriating and just demotivational if everyone just sits around expecting me to write a bunch of shit so they can easily town read me instead of actually thinking about my views, opinions, read progressions, etc. and engaging with it and using it to cooperate on solving the game together. Like, I'm pretty sure this is why GNB wrote the disclaimer he did.

If people just expect me to put out walls of hard work so they can get a lazy town read, but the content of what I'm writing doesn't change anyone's mind or get any responses, what the hell am I on the site for? Do I need to lurk a dozen times as town to "reset" my meta?

But WRT catch up posts:

I have seen catch up posts that are just a bunch of reactions and IIOA to look like content/busywork. I don't think mine are like that. I think that I used to posts that were just reactions to each individual post, so I tried to write specific notes that build towards cases or contribute to distinct reads, and show my work for how I got to those reads. In some cases, the case I'm working towards is too large to explain into notes without going on a 200 word deviation, so I'm saving them separately until I can string together all of the thoughts cohesively into a case, which takes a LOT of time. I'd appreciate if they were engaged with on a specific topic or moment because you have the opportunity to think about whether or not my reactions or reads make sense in the context of the game state and my slot's perspective being town or scum, and not just dismiss it with a "catch ups can be faked LAMIST word vomit" argument.
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:21 pm

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In post 1166, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1128, Nauci wrote: [*]
@Keyser
Why did me scum reading you for the first 8 pages make you want to scum read/re-evaluate my slot? What would be the scum train of thought to do something like
My tone was semi serious: but tbh Sesq on D1 gives me enough reason to not lynch you today.

D2, your slot has been focused on killing townies. I just think you need to re-evaluate the playerlist.
It's disappointing how little you've engaged with all of the content from the last 5+ pages (while asking others to contribute more).
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:25 pm

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In post 1170, Nauci wrote:
In post 1166, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1128, Nauci wrote: [*]
@Keyser
Why did me scum reading you for the first 8 pages make you want to scum read/re-evaluate my slot? What would be the scum train of thought to do something like
My tone was semi serious: but tbh Sesq on D1 gives me enough reason to not lynch you today.

D2, your slot has been focused on killing townies. I just think you need to re-evaluate the playerlist.
It's disappointing how little you've engaged with all of the content from the last 5+ pages (while asking others to contribute more).
I’ve read and made conclusions.

Dunnstral and Toranaga are no longer in my PoE today.

I want to sort NSG and TW now. If I exit D2 with strong reads on either slot I will count that as a success.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:31 pm

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In post 1170, Nauci wrote:all the content from the last 5+ pages
Highlight which alignment indicative observations / scum cases you think I have ignored and I will offer you my take/read on it.
Otherwise, I believe I am up to date.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:32 pm

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In post 1171, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dunnstral and Toranaga are no longer in my PoE today.

I want to sort NSG and TW now. If I exit D2 with strong reads on either slot I will count that as a success.
Why?
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 pm

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In post 1172, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1170, Nauci wrote:all the content from the last 5+ pages
Highlight which alignment indicative observations / scum cases you think I have ignored and I will offer you my take/read on it.
Otherwise, I believe I am up to date.
I want you to explain which things you reacted to and caused the updates in your reads.
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