how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

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This is a post.

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If you kingmake me D1 there won't be a D2.

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Nice 1/3 raw chance of autowin D1 I like it

Not the case because the true challenge of setups like this isn't finding scum it's lynching them when town only need 3 of them wrong to make lynching scum impossible

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If you want a real chance of a free chicken dinner, everyone agrees to Lynch who I say at EOD.

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ok

I will borrow a friends thinkpad and put a lynch request on it for everyone to follow at EOD

i'm gonna let the game play until then

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That's amazing because you were one of the two people I was considering lynching.

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"more"?
That implies that you're scumreading me to at least some extent: why is that the case?
Oh and I'm openly offering to be lynched tomorrow if I'm wrong because I won't be. I'm confident that I'll get this right.

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Not you invisibility

Chamber and Alchemist21 are the two people to me who are significantly more likely to flip scum than not rn.

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It's early in the day so that's subject to change
Scum are going to really not want this to go through because my logic about the setup is accurate and they're going to respect me enough to know that I can find 1 scum in a game like this.
To counter the argument that oh I'm too good as scum to give me control over the lynch: I'm openly telling you to lynch me if I don't get this right D1. Worst case scenario, you take 2 scum.

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"more"?
That implies that you're scumreading me to at least some extent: why is that the case?
Oh and I'm openly offering to be lynched tomorrow if I'm wrong because I won't be. I'm confident that I'll get this right.

I have a mild confidence in you
I expect you’ll probably find scum, but we only have one lynch to nail this, so I’m worried you’ll scum in your pool but they won’t be your top lynch

I'll make sure that they are this time.

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(or if I don't have a read I can be confident on, at EOD I'll say sucks to be yall I don't got nothing)

but I don't think that is likely.

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do you remember that time you read me right maria? because I sure don't

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that said I'm very strongly considering the possibility that you're scum and that I was generally right on my scumpool and yall are banding together to start discrediting me early in the day phase.

Chamber's reaction is not the reaction of a person who thinks that I'm scum, for the record.

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ok what are chronologically our most recent completed games together

Transformers: you thought I was scum
MU turbo: you thought I was scum
Purgatory: you thought I was scum

not going into any ongames you're on a pretty great trajectory already

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maria if you're town just fuck off and let me do my thing.

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actually you can given that this setup only requires 3 town to vote me and it's 100% worth it for scum to invest a fuckton of votes into lynching me.

if you're town I'm asking you to let me take the question of my alignment out of your hands.

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i mean i can go holy war mode but i don't think this lobby would particularly appreciate me going holy war mode so I would prefer to avoid doing that if at all possible.

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It might be, but if you're town you're not doing a particularly good job of showing it fmpov

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The part where you're scum. I don't think it's the reaction of a person who thinks that I'm scum, but I'm open to being wrong on that.
I think that it's fairly likely that scum are not going to be happy to just sit back and let me lead on them because it weakens the scumteam down to the level of their weakest member. Don't think that's ever bullshit.

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I also didn't move my vote when I said I didn't like your reaction. I suppose that's fair: who, if anyone, are you scumreading?

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Also, since your trajectory is not at all clear, why did you suggest lynching me?

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That's unhelpful when I don't like your results and have other stuff that I'm wary of.

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i hate maria, her entrance was fine tho

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Alchemist why are you so scummy

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I mean, mostly that you haven't done anything.

I suppose you could have just decided to not do anything.

I would prefer if you stopped not doing anything because if you're town you're one of my easiest locktown reads.

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Alchemist is not known for doing nothing as town and is known for doing nothing as scum.

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(and yes it's early game: but I'd still expect more from him and I think I have a fairly solid grasp on Alchemist meta)

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If it gets to a point I'm ready to harakiri I'll produce several paragraphs about why the dude is scum.

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The game just started. I also don’t know where you get that activity tell considering my activity has never been AI. I’ve been extremely active as scum and hard lurked as Town.

Why are you arguing with me instead of doing other stuff?
When I called you scum in very early fallout you continued to do other stuff and then I was like lol you're right and locktowned you.

This game your primary focus has been arguing with my scumread on you which I would expect you to expect to go away if you did towny stuff.

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u mean

zedzee

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I have a good feeling about no less than 3 scumpicks right now

let's see how I end up feeling

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i am leading this my friend

I shall lead you to green pastures

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do u remember that time i told u that kison was scum because i jailkept him and he was scum
he wasn't because he was town because i was scum and i just no killed every night

but what did happen was that time i said zedzee was scum and then we lynched him and he was scum and then yall turned on me because OBVIOUSLY if RC finds scum its a BUS and i got mislynched
apparently I didn't because apparently I didn't get hammered

my point is

the future of this company is secure

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I mean my scumread is because of reasons that are independent of what he has chosen to invest his energy into, I just think that if he's town that telling him to fan his approach out will speed up the process of discovering that.

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the fastest way for us all to get out of this game is for you to trust me, maru.

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No, I think that he would have talked about other people if he were town. I also think that talking about that as opposed to going into other details is the most productive way to approach him here.

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No, I think that he would have talked about other people if he were town. I also think that talking about that as opposed to going into other details is the most productive way to approach him here.

Have you ever tried telling someone to calm down?

I'm doing what I care to do for someone I'm already pretty damn certain is scum.

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No Jiffy, because you're a scumfuck who made a fake ass attempt to garner towncred off of the different setup and got scared when I started edging in on Alchemist21 and started trying to take over the town.

Just in case you hadn't realized that I knew you were scum I felt it was worth saying since I can't exactly force scum to bus in a game where they all lose together.

guess I'm not scum.

i don't respect you at all in your "I AM GOD LISTEN TO ME" personality.

Respect me or don't.

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Right now it's just a question of who exactly I most feel like declaring holy war on. I think that the answer is Majiffy because it would be the most fun tbh.

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You're correct

but honestly that's more because I'm trying to see how much of the scumteam I can call at once

2 are certain

1 is fairly good odds

one is okay odds

literally no clue who #5 would be and only 4 townreads right now so

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Everything you directed at me seemed pretty manufactured. I'd much prefer maru but could see myself moving to you instead.

Okay, I'll hold you to that.

VOTE: Majiffy

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Maru if u trust me this will be a v short game and you can go back to never playing with me again, yeah?

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Okay so if we hit scum today do we win then? All the lovers die?

Okay so if we hit scum today do we win then? All the lovers die?

there are 2 couples
one 3 people one 2 people

No that's after D1

It says D1 is a 5-lover set so if we hit scum today we *should* win the game automatically

Nice 1/3 raw chance of autowin D1 I like it

let's analyze these 3 posts because these are fmpov literally scumfirming

in the first post we see that majiffy is asking a question about how the setup works
in the second post we see that majiffy is clarifying the specific about how the setup works and then says *should* on something that's literally confirmed setup details
then in post 3 he makes another post announcing something that's... straight up setup details

why scumjiffy is doing this is because he is scum who knew the setup immediately but thought it would be a brilliant idea to manufacture a slip by pretending he didn't know the setup

that's why his process of 'discovering' the setup is jank af, he knew exactly what it was but phrased it as a question and split it over three posts to make a show of not knowing and progressing to figuring out the setup. town him is plenty experience and doesn't need to question literally basic functionings of how mafia works. scum him does to make a show of not knowing aforementioned setup

game set and match boys, let's end this so that maru doesn't have to play with me

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also with no expressed concern about my slot and no real effort to manufacture it, I post the following

I have a good feeling about no less than 3 scumpicks right now

let's see how I end up feeling

which he immediately reacts to by demanding control of the lynch because he was scared scum. then when I scumread him he started reaction giffing and youtube vidding which is also scummy, take my word for it you don't need to understand why it's true. and he was always acting weird around my alch concern

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ carry on my wayward son

Meta arguments generally carry little to no water with me though so you're gonna need to build cases if you want me to listen moving forward

If it gets to a point I'm ready to harakiri I'll produce several paragraphs about why the dude is scum.

Oh no I ain't reading Mastina walls make it concise.

Bulleted lists with chopped quotes (with links for context!) is ideal

when I started saying that alchemist was scum (hint: he is) he started acting weird and started making excuses for why he wouldn't listen, meta arguments don't hold water, then complaining about the paragraphs that I suggested that I would make. combined with the repeated attempts to take control of the lynch wagon coinciding with the scariest points for scum him with alchemist and the fact that he's been so passive and weak about demanding control as opposed to a strong manly 'jiffy, the dude is scum scum scum

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i took the time to understand the metas of a lot of older players I thought were interesting, you are one of them.

I most likely remember more details about more of your games than you currently do.

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my memory has been blinkering admittedly over the past six months (sucks to be getting older I guess) but it's still mostly intact.

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Why not? Because you're his buddy?

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If you disagree with the reasoning I've presented on him then you can feel free to explain why you disagree but I'm not exactly keen on being told to be 100% sure on multiple people flipping scum with only 5 scum chits.

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Also Chamber, where the fuck did you go? If that wasn't partner v partner disappearing why did you completely disappear when someone started supporting your 2nd favorite wagon?

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PARTNER V PARTNER DISTANCING

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the last large I was in I had 2 scum pinned by page 10 and called the entire scumteam on day 2.

I don't expect to get all 5, I expect to be wrong somewhere because some towny is going to make absolutely terrible decisions and look scummy as hell, but I don't need to solve

it's more for personal pride

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(like chickadee and chamber both look... really awful right now but for reasons that could plausibly come from town. I'd put them in scum if I have to right now but I wouldn't bet my life on it being right.)

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Why not? Because you're his buddy?

Sure


But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.

I don't really think you'd fight me on this as town and I hope I'm wrong.

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For that matter, like, how is it supposed to be different from a previous metagame?

Jiffy has barely done anything in the sense that you're talking, he has pushed on colossally few people

judging him on 'meta' in that sense is ridiculous given the lack of things to compare, pushes, scumreads, etc. when he has had very few of those.

I find it exceedingly strange that town you would have this hard of a townread on Majiffy for absolutely no reason and completely ignore the reasoning that I have given.

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Like I've got a fuckton of jiffy meta and I'm using none of it. you know why? because there's nothing to meta in this game.

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Also, why hasn't jiffy considered that, like, I might be scum trying to powerwagon him?

But that's kinda LHF

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Particularly given that in person I powerwagoned him and kison as scum, I would expect that he would at least be somewhat wary of me potentially finding it amusing to powerwagon jiffys and doing it on that basis
he hasn't even called it scum that I went from my aforementioned 'flimsy scumread' on alchemist to him when most of the original reason I gave was for alchemist and all of the associatives
think townjiffy there would be mighty suspicious of the particular courses of action that I have chosen in this game.

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Can we not policy lynch maruchan for going out of their way to make enemies tyia

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Can we not policy lynch maruchan for going out of their way to make enemies tyia

i support asking them to replace out if they don't mesh with the playerlist, please don't lynch them for that.

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Have you considered that I'm not worried about you lynching me because you literally can't?

I'm like the fucking Buddha at this game. Back down.

things that no town says in a setup where it only takes 3 town misvotes to lynch you and I'm already one for 2000, ALEX!
but nice of you to make excuses for why you're not getting lynched in aforementiond setup because your scumbuddies won't bus.

Deedles u have 0 reason to be townreading jiffy and I have lots of good reason to be scumreading jiffy so idk what you want from me here

if you're not scum you should actually engage with my original arguments instead of deciding to defend jiffy for out of games reasons

because if you're town all you are doing right now is defending jiffy for out of games reasons, you aren't playing the game.

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like chickadee
WHY are you fighting the jiffy angle
meta makes 0 fucking sense at this stage in the game and you have a fraction of the jiffy meta that I do

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gamma's town gj gamma now pls unvote maru.

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mm

postie's not around anymore and I am still off tomorrow so I have nothing better to do than sit here and completely clusterfuck you so

goodluck and godspeed

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also I would strongly suggest that maru wouldn't, as scum, be the first one to display knowledge of the setup
i also don't really think that in a setup like this they'd go around makign all these enemies, also don't like the people voting them (chamber: i scumread jiffy then complete dip when jiffy votes)
would appreciate if you think my jiffy vote is good if you sheep me there instead of voting Maruchan.

the faster we get this done the faster I can collect my commission

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Nope, sorry.

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In case you missed my speech earlier, this is a setup that has no room for bad town.
Scum in this setup thrive on bad town because you need to get a massive amount of town to vote scum and scum are heavily discouraged from bussing.
Same reason 6p lovers in practise is very scumsided because it's rare that there's a town that doesn't have that one player that's rly bad and loses the game for town.

That can't be you here if you're town, Deedles.

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I might end up switching for various reasons, most prominently because Alchemist21 is a ripe af scumlynch as well, but there's not really room for too many cooks in the kitchen in this setup.

Gotta consolidate and stuffs

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anyway

VOTE: Chickadee

that townread that you declared on jiffy was absolutely spectacularly awful.
i'm not sure if it's more likely to be a TMI read or a scumdefense of a scumbuddy, but regardless of which it is I think that you're scum my girl

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(also I was never that sure of jiffy, I was just practising my tunnel for when I actually need it)

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What are your thoughts on Chickadee's "meta townread" of jiffy?

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still at page 5 but i want to pull my hair out because of this so figured I'd share:
3 people haven't even posted yet.
RC has more posts than ANY two other players combined, more than the 3rd, 4th, and 5th players combined, and more posts than the BOTTOM TEN PLAYERS combined.
i'm pullin muh hairz out over here

RadiantCowbells 67
Majiffy 41
Gamma Emerald 22
Invisibility 19
PenguinPower 17
chamber 17
Maruchan 12
MariaR 11

xyzzy 11

Alchemist21 8
Chickadee 7
vonflare 6
Irrelephant11 2

the more posts that I put out over the next few days (and I fully intend to end this game within the first few RL days of the game) the less posts I need to put out in the long run

I'm posting a lot now to not have to post a lot later if that makes sense.

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good read dunn

i also think that gamma might be scum

'but you just said gamma was town'

no I just wanted to see if he'd vote jiffy if I buddied him

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wtf is 251

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i gave u a very good set of reasons to lynch jiffy
u just, like, completely ignored them and were like 'yo i have this meta townread on, like, all the posts ever'

also what's up with that 'only bad town from your perspective'

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current people I'm interested in lynching to various degrees

{chickadee, gamma emerald, alchemist21}

altho lynching jiffy would be funny as fk

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alchemist21 does need to do more tho for me to have any degree of confidence in that so i'm gonna take a nap then continue to shitpost up the thread when i get back

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because i'm not voting jiffy anymore and am going back to being honest about my reads?

dunnchan u know how i feel about u

Seems pretty bad. Your case on him seems pretty junk though? I really think its just maru and you not seeing that is bothering me.

mmm

I still think you're scum ftr and the oh chickadee is bad but hey look at this juicy maru wagon doesn't make me feel any better about you.

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I wrote it way earlier and didn’t feel like fixing it

Then who was that referring to?

Maria
Who else called me useless?

Oh...you took my joke srsly. AWWWW GAMMA BUDDY NO I WAS JUST ROASTING YOU <3 I don't think you're useless! .....Unlike some people in this list
Pedit: Mmmm RC flipped scum but since it's rc and 5 scum d1 I won't be able to lynch that

I caught your speech. But what if I told you I'm actually not useless town? I'm only useless town from your perspective.

LISTEN

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umm
same thing that i said jiffy did altho u might have actually done it
fake a townslip by pretending to not know the setup
like saying YO I DONT KNOW THE FUCKING SETUP doesn't mean you're town
i had no idea what the setup is and i neither said anything about it before knowing nor after because I had originally thought it was a theme
the idea that i should townread you for saying 'yo i dont know the setup in this game' amuses me

Bad != scum.

Ok sorry chamber but you're just scum at this point.

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same deal.

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changes nothing.

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if she's scum then her team are bussing her

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chickadee voted her at one point as well
not townreading gamma or you

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also like I've got good feelings that chickadee is the final wagon I push through.

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like =16176]reading this pretty hard to imagine that deedles is scum here.

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oh yeah fff can't do that

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77288&user_select[]=16176

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OK scum chamber.

mod note: I have edited this post to remove chamber's name; normally I avoid editing game posts (and leave a record of the original post if I do), but this is seems like a good place for an exception to that.

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like chickadee's iso is possibly the scummiest iso i have ever seen
and not in a complex way it's just blatantly in your face scummy

for you to townread that is rather unimaginable and i've been scumreading you since very very early in this game so

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I never remember the alternate forms for brackets

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My apologies, I immediately decided it was a mistake.

Asking Zedzee to remove it

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so I think that you're just scum defending her but I'll answer that for the benefit of others

Why not? Because you're his buddy?

Sure


But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.

immense, immense, immense amount of waffle and weasel wording around the jiffy townread combined with the jiffy townread not even making sense: how has she assessed that its vastly different from the one scum game when as I said very little had been done by jiffy to start metaing, and yeah she waffles all over the place on it in a very scummy way

Why not? Because you're his buddy?

Sure


But really, I don't get scum jiffy vibes here. I'll admit I haven't played with jiffy that much, but I feel pretty confident that this is vastly different from the scum game I've played with him. I know thats not much, but with how different it is, I'm not scum reading him at this point.

I don't really think you'd fight me on this as town and I hope I'm wrong.

Are you calling me scum? Like, I've had a fairly exhausting day, so maybe I'm wrong, but you think I'm scum because I'm fighting the jiffy angle? Even if Jiffy is scum, there are 4 other people you could lynch today to win.

Also, why hasn't jiffy considered that, like, I might be scum trying to powerwagon him?

But that's kinda LHF

I get where you're going, but that is a stupid argument and you know it.

stupid argument feels very disingenuous (either tmi / scum defense), and the first part doesn't seem like something that she'd actually ask town me to do as town

I caught your speech. But what if I told you I'm actually not bad town? I'm only bad town from your perspective. I just don't see a reason at the moment to scum read Jiffy, and thus would not like to lynch there.

Pedit: ok, you can vote me. That's fine. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion. I still love you rc

this 'bad town from your perspective' thing isn't what town here says, like, ever? I really feel like this doesn't need much further explanation, I think it's really obvious

You think I'm bad town. You've said as much before your scum read on me started. But like, you can't say for certain. I could be scum, I could be good town. You don't know.

Also fuck all with your wanting to lynch Jiffy. You just said it was a fake tunnel. lol

and again

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Chickadee plays enough mafia and is generally competent enough to not make those posts as town but she says ridiculous things as scum all the time.

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I don't really care what you say about it when it adds up to the same thing: you being a force against the Chickadee lynch

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when you read it in the morning you'll say you need a few drinks first

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Yes Chickadee I am lynching you because you're not competent

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It's survival of the fittest 'round here and, well, if you were just a little bit more competent I wouldn't lynch you but you're just too dang incompetent my girl

@Jiffy still scumreading Dee, think Gamma is likely to be town from the wagon on him but we'll see.

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For those saying RC is not the lynch today and won't get lynched today, why?

Do u remember that time we played that egg game and u didn't even manage to do damage to me

That's like me

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Also have some questionable feelings about a few other peoppe, think there's probably at least one-two scum in (m'jiffy invisibility annadog40), think chamber is scum

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Let's see

Gamma is becoming +equity town via gamestate
Maruchan already was
I know I'm town
Maria slight +town equity but moreso just a shitty person to go after

Idk that I'm scumreading everyone else outside of having mental notes made about pairings that I will follow up on it at some point I start disbelieving in Deedles scum


I'm open to change on basically all my reads Jiffy and I think that it is good for my reads to push a bunch of things and see how the gamestate reacts to it.

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Last large theme I was in I called the remaining 3 scum on D2 off preflip associatives. I think my Deedles scumread is really obvious, if I push something else you'll get an explanation. I don't feel obligated to case every person I think is scum if we're not lynching them.

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What if powerlynching Chickadee is my destiny as king

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Umm besides that she started doing this weird thing where she keeps saying I'm lynching her for being incompetent, no.

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Sometimes we must accept the whims of fate

We cannot all choose our own destiny, my dear Chickadee

Some of us are born to dance on the fickle strings of fate

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Okay Deedles I believe you.

UNVOTE:

Hmm

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VOTE: alchemist21

Ok let's wagon this

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Sometimes jiffy the wisest thing to know is that one does not know.

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Pls don't give up alch your scumteam needs you

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We should all write fanfics and PL the player who writes the worst one

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Or penguin u could sheep RC

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Sry jiffy but sometimes the hand of fate must be forced.

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I for one am horrified of ur towngame so we are five man ganging on u alch

Feel the enjoy? Not this time

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Alch is obvscum

Majiffy is scum buddy as I originally postulated w/ Deedles just as town being dumb, Chamber as buddy, MariaR possibly as further buddy

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I think it's time to actually kick into gear

I was always fairly sure on jiffy ftr Deedles just scared me since it really didn't seem like a scumdefense and I wanted to sort her before I committed to anything. When I came to the conclusion she was just town being weird it was safe to return to my original scumteam guesses

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i trust rc

I believe in RadiantCowbells dent

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So

Jiffy/Alch core scum
Chamber secondary scum
MariaR/some random people I don't have a read on yet tertiary scum

I only really care about the first 3 reads.

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Gamma is being a good boy and will get lots of treats

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Hi alch

Dw I know you're scum but I'm asking for the benefit of others

When you know I have an amazing record snapreading you, why does it not bother you that I'm scumreading you? Why do you not fight back, call me scum, make a serious effort to persuade me elsewhere?

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And chamber, why are you singling out Gamma?

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Obviously svs interactions here ^^

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It doesn't because hes too busy laughing at her for pocketing herself

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I'm still trying to get over you

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I'm sorry Chamber. I just don't think we can be together.

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"hey guys we are talking therefore we can't be scumbuddies, right?"

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no

usually I'm a lot worse than this

this is me being gentle tbh

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inb4 maria quotes the "usually i'm a lot worse than this"

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dw i'm going to get a lot worse as the day progresses

my kid gloves will come off

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hey hey apple
apple hey apple

hey hey apple
apple

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sry friend but I need this D1 win.

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what if i told you i'm not an annoying orange

i'm only an annoying orange from your perspective

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if u mean to say that you know who the scum are then i agree actually

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Alch is scum, sheep me and win and you won't have to keep playing with me.

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I guess Gamma is the scum pushed counterwagon now.

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I miss the Maru scum counter wagon

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Because of the approach he's taking to my slot wrt discrediting me and trying to shut down my ability to push wagons without making any sincere display of either scumreading me or being annoyed at me

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It literally doesn't matter though: alch is scum and the game ends when he dies. I'm just making sure people don't listen to the Jiff

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On day 1 all scum are lovers together so we can just end the game

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Alch is scum

If you're scum with him then just go vote the Maru or Gamma counterwagon and stop wasting my time.

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468 is never a town post, you get that irrel?

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It's because he's scum and he thinks you're the most malleable person on the wagon. Don't take it so personally.

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Can you scumfucks stop having inane and pointless mutual interactions to try to spew yourselves not buddies and just take the L

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Like I said, not an insult just scum trying to pocket you.

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DAMN I WAS RIGHT ON MARIA TOO

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how did i get so good at this game

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Maru pls acknowledge the fact that scum are all pile driving you to keep Alch alive and vote scum accordingly

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Maria I am not saying that you are town because I want to believe that you're not but if you're town this is the last time I don't policy lynch you for pushing on me.

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Right then.

@PenguinPower: I have a very certain scumread here and on someone I have shown a consistent record reading. You know that you can't read me and you know that I am good at finding scum: sheep me here.
@Chickadee: First off you're wrong on Jiffy but that's forgivable because you at least showed that you were probably town. Second off, you need to vote Alch with us. Talk to me when you get back.
@Vonflare / Pure Sadness: If you vote with me I will make sure that I come just the friday night of the meet even though I'm busy the rest of that weekend. Since you obviously want me there, this is a good thing for you.
@Horrordude: Of all the people in this game you should respect my call that Alchemist is scum and vote with me. Please show up.
@Dunnstral: Please don't make this another fallout mafia, sheep me.
@Maruchan: at some point you need to start realize you're not being voted for no reason, you're being voted because you've made yourself an easy target for scum.
Note that the players currently voting you are an exact overlap with the ones who have shitty interactions with Alchemist, this is not a coincidence.
You need to vote with me regardless of your personal feelings for me because the fastest way to end this game is to win it D1.

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@invis you're doing good stay there
@Gamma Emerald you're doing good stay there. Maria is trying to buddy you and pocket you and so is chamber realize that you're not obvious town by any stretch and the best reason to townread you is your votes yet multiple players are claiming to townread you yet trying to convince you to shitvote Maru with them. Chamber does not townread or respect town!you so much that he singles you out here. Maria isn't this disgusting and slimey when talking to you if she was town. Stay the course please.
@Irrelephant just trust me man

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If I haven't @ed anyone and you're town congratulations you're doing your best to be scum aligned and if you want to change that then stop playing for scum.

If Alchemist was town he would be getting absolutely clusterfucked right now with how scummy he has been. He's not, I'm pulling hairs and fighting vote for vote to get people over there. scum can't bus in this setup. figure it out.

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In post 313, Alchemist21 wrote:
My man doesn’t even appreciate a good roast. smh
Stop calling my roasts good or you're gonna end up pocketing me

another transparently SvS association to anyone who has any caliber reading that kind of thing.

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Note that all of [Majiffy chamber mariar alchemist] have gone out of their way to have the most banal, undirected conversations with each other that go absolutely nowhere and have absolutely no weight
go through the fucking game these terrible forced conversations don't just happen they're happening because scum knows that even if they get the maru mislynch they're kind of fucked and need to distance hard
they're doing a piss poor job of distancing, fortunately for us, but everyone particularly Chickadee if you're town needs to start realizing that you're kissing up to scum.

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there are 4 votes and hte other voters are the people in my second post

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we can only afford 2 wrong town here please if you're town don't be wrong town.

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(the wagon on Alchemist is RC, gamma, irrelephant, invisibility}

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Because she can't bus

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5/8 of the way to a win

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Talk to me about other people I can give you a better answer than Invis who is legit just a "uhhh he's kinda obv" read

What do you think of Chickadee and Jiffy?

oh look

more

completely

inane

scum

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scum

interactions

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i'm not answering shit from you when you came into this game and called me scum and are hard opposing my scum lynch

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ok bye

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not gonna not play to win games because you're either scum or being a gigantic baby and still unable to read me.

thread stays 'clogged up' as long as that votecount isn't l-0.

Yeah at 22 pages in less than 24 hours and I have a 16 hour drive coming up Sunday morning I cdnt denote the time to this genre

I already V/LA'd in my first post but apparently that isn't enough for some of y'all to realize I would be largely not here this weekend so

@xyzzy this started about a week earlier than I could handle so unless you're OK with me just not posting for the first week and ignoring all pages of content that happen on said week I'm gonna have to replace out.

I can't play this from mobile and I can't sit in my hotel room all day every day for the next 3 days

Have you still not realized that scum are just pushing you because you're the most available lynch to buy them time to nightkill me?

Just vote alchemist and by the time you are home the game will be done

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Oh maria might be town.

Sigh.

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The difference, maria, is that I care when I'm wrong and you don't give a shit how many times you mislynch me.

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Are you going to give a shit about this game if this makes you wrong 4 games in a row where we were TvT?
I cared when I was wrong in purgatory, when you mislynched me in lylo in the turbo you just shrugged and said you weren't lynching firebringer

you expect me to give you all these chances to prove that you're town yet whenever you scumread me it's time to derptunnel and make the game unplayable for me

why don't you show me the consideration that you're talking about if you want it in return?

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And fact of the matter is that

this setup requires you to play a kingmaker strategy or scum are never going to get lynched.

if you want to get out of this situation, the fastest way to do so is with me not against me.

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Actually, poking Jiffy more might give some meaningful reactions.

also this is a fairly textbook scum voting scum situation and I'm not quite sure why you were so happy about a vote with this pretext.

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Oh...you took my joke srsly. AWWWW GAMMA BUDDY NO I WAS JUST ROASTING YOU <3 I don't think you're useless! .....Unlike some people in this list
Pedit: Mmmm RC flipped scum but since it's rc and 5 scum d1 I won't be able to lynch that

don't say this kind of shit a few pages in the game if you don't want me treating you like scum in return for it.

(Lynch the wolves purgatory yourself upick)

Lynch the wolves I was literally open wolfing so I'm not sure how much credit you should give yourself for that.
Purgatory whether you turned on me in the end (which I have no proof of) you started the game by calling me scum for my chara interactions and it was your scumread on me that I didn't believe that led me to want to lynch you
Be Yourself regardless of what your individual read was you and your partner wasted your daycop because you refused to use it on anyone besides the person who I had already said was literally confirmed scum (NSG) and your slot completely derailed the game trying to lynch me and made the game very easy for scum in the process

you can't take any moral high ground for any of these games. at best this isn't a one way problem. why were you even scumreading me this game?

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i'm not gonna policy lynch you because you know ily but basically no one is enjoying this game and I want to finish it and put everyone out of their miseries
you said you had a question for me, can you bring it up again?

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also who the fuck is last scum then

Maruchan - town
Majiffy - scum
Chickadee - town ? ? ? (maybe wrong)
vonflare - town
chamber - scum
RadiantCowbells - town
horrordude0215 - ? ? ?
Invisibility - town
MariaR - town
Alchemist21 - scum
Irrelephant11 - town
Gamma Emerald - twon
Pure Sadness - ?
Dunnstral - ?
PenguinPower - ?

so 2 scum in

chickadee
horror
dunn
PP
pure sadness

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I don't want you to sub out and that would make me very sad if you did.

What are your reservations about voting Alchemist?

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I said the PL thing because I thought that you were like 95% scum and I thought the reaction would prove it ftr


no I wouldn't vote jiffy bc I think deedles is town and she'll never vote him so at best I'm trading in 1-1 with her vote and yours
also just a question of needing to commit all our votes onto the same target
do I think he's scum, absolutely yeah. only sr we disagree on is maruchan I think

Like I wouldn't mind an alch death cause that keeps great info but I can see Jiffy flipping scum and giving me sweet info if I'm wrong where as I just see alch prob flipping town but giving me info.

it's true that an alchemist townflip isn't the most helpful thing in the world but if he's not flipping town that doesn't rly matter imo

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sadnadog

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did you see my very early case on why the majiffy-alch associations were pretty damning? if you agree on the jiffster being scum that can help bridge the gap

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enjoy your pizza

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he's scum, there definitely wasn't any of the negative intent that I think you saw in it but that doesn't mean he's town or that you should listen to him obvsly

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i think we will get to 7 then the game will stall out for a long time

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i really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really wish they were.

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I don't feel singled out, I know the way that maria is, but if she wants special treatment from me then she should extend the same courtesies in return.

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(not extending to threatening to policy lynch her, I said that so that she'd react in a way that I could say that this was pretty conclusive proof she's scum because she would have flipped her shit as town and she flipped her shit, so.)

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Chamber, what does it take to get your vote over here?

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Maria has anything that has happened made you reevaluate your read on me at all

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Dunn have you considered sheeping me on alch

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i'll call you a good boy if you sheep me on alch and play fetch with you

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eh not rly the time to troll you dunn.

What's your Alch read? If you think Jiffy is scum, have you read my case on why Alch is a likely scumbuddy?

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Alchemist is still scum but I'm starting to waver on my read on the gamestate outside of that.

If Dunn's scum then Jiffy probably isn't, though Dunn could absolutely be town.
Maru is plausibly scum given her absolute refusal to engage with me despite me reaching out to her a billion times in which case Chamber would be town which isn't really implausible. I don't really dislike his iso

I'm a lot more certain on townreads and like specific relationship pairings than my reads on everyone

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Oh yeah Jiffy is still scum upon reread, nevermind. So that puts Dunn in the townbin.
RC/Vonflare/Gamma/Irrelephant/Invisibility
only Vonflare/Invis could even really be considered as scum at this point fmpov and I don't think that either of them are so pretty solidly town even outside of being on a D1 scum wagon

MariaR/Dunnstral/Chickadee is a hammer and I don't think any of them are scum anymore but I'll at least put chickadee in the scumpool a bit later
That leaves Alchemist/Jiffy + 1/2 Maru/Chamber + 2/4 Horrordude/Sadnadog/Penguin/Chickadee

this is a meme tier read but I think penguin would already have voted with me by now so he can be one
and 1/2 of horror/sadnadog, can give Maria this one and say it's sadnadog

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Could use a few more votes on me from the idiots soft supporting my wagon but not ponying up a vote to back it though. Let's get it on the record, folks

hey town please split the wagon so that scum can coalesce onto a townie together without threat of scum getting lynched.

Alch is probably town at this point. Reaction to being a growing, lead wagon with no opposition is not a scum reaction

umm yes this is exactly alchemist's scum reaction and now that you've posted more I can say with my actual meta this is exactly ur scum meta.

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exactly is a bad word. like tonally it's dead on which is how I know that you're scum but it's pretty much a toned down weaksauce version. the fall of a great jiffy empire.

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If Alch flips town I'm going to selfvote because there's no way that scum can't get me lynched if they try to. I do not think that happens ever.

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If I'm town in that situation I've already given up that ML through my own poor play and I'd seek redemption in this game by outing 2 people to lead the lynch in 11 way.
I'm not flipping you, I'm flipping Alch. I think there's a very low chance that you're town but the chance exists nonetheless. Said chance does not exist for Alchemist.

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it doesn't change my alchemist read and that's the only one that matters.

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you could very fairly say I've been fairly sloppy on a lot of my assumptions and that's true but it doesn't really matter in the end whether I'm right on chamber/maru or you or anyone
if alchemist is scum then the game is over when he gets lynched and I get to rest on my laurels, and alchemist is scum.
everything else is just a sideshow.

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We're lynching Alchemist.

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I'm sorry but this isn't a discussion. My record reading Alchemist speaks for itself.

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Alch isn't towny, and statements like that make me think you're scum because I think Alch's been scummy in very objective very obvious ways many, many times.

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Sometimes, to keep it together, you've got to leave it alone.

And you can get on with your search baby
and I can get on with mine

Maybe someday we will find
That it wasn't really wasted time~

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We'll do it without you then, Maru.

@Whoever is town in the remainder: need you to show up.

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Hi, Deedles. Talk to me please.

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I mean yes, I suppose you would be concerned about being spewed scum.

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I am strongly inclined to agree with that assessment, given that I am more and more convinced that Maruchan is in fact town, just being a PITA. Unfortunate. I'm not sure if you would have enjoyed being town with me, but I guess it's better than this.

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So let's put our alignments in this game aside for a second

How does this game make you feel about mafia?

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I don't think this game speaks to me in any general way about mafia.

I think this game is a lot more representative than you would think of the current state of mafia, including in games without me in them.