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Post Post #2567 (isolation #600) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:14 pm

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not to mention if both players get scum roles, obviously they both are required to take scum
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Post Post #2569 (isolation #601) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:35 pm

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here’s the problem with profii!town

scum likes to give information instead of analysis —> i have been caught doing this in transformers mafia by ircher. titus!scum in heroes wanted mafia did this with a VCA, and eventually we lynched there correctly. profii’s list posts read in such a manner, like when he looked at the votes of every player, he did not draw any real conclusions from that.

scum likes to favor possibility over probability, rather going with the improbable stance regarding the game. profii has done that.

scum will opportunistically join lynchwagons. this can be seen in several instances from profii’s votes on D1, and concerning both of the lynchwagons that formed that he joined —> both town btw —> aronis and creature.

scum will disregard someone sticking up for themselves if said player is town —> of course you would have to trust that i am town here to see this.

scum would probably doubtcast as many players as they possibly can, profii apparently did not have trust in any of shoshin, creature or aronis in spite of giving shoshin a town badge early d1 but then retracting it later.

scum would post a list of their partner’s reads upholding theirs, but not give any details in their thought processes. profii did this with flavor’s reads. and guess what, lolol flavor said maria and shoshin “could be scum” - that was the hardest scum stance there. idk how both of them could have scumread shoshin, especially if they have had experience with her. it’s super clear if you have even played one game with her. notice how i never once wavered on that read.

scum would mess around and not give solid reads directly when they are a possible lynch profii —> profii did this d1.

scum would distract away from their lynch by asking questions about who their partner would be. profii did this d1, as his lynchwagon was forming.
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Post Post #2570 (isolation #602) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 344, northsidegal wrote:is this something i can townread profii off of? historically i think i'm pretty bad at reading profii so i don't think i'm really one to ask when it comes to sorting his slot but reading through i felt like having the theories was a towntell (even though that was something i got falsely townread for as scum in my first scumgame). eh.
this is what i was talking about d1 btw.
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Post Post #2571 (isolation #603) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:37 pm

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if profii is lynchbait, how come he has only been mislynched as town once?
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Post Post #2572 (isolation #604) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 2568, northsidegal wrote:are you trying to say that reading people based off of their content is any different for this, or indeed any less of these? because i would argue the exact opposite.
it can be good for a townlean perhaps depending on the situation, but a townread over mechanics is often too strong

mathblade and nancydrew manipulated the heck out of this aspect of the game in heroes wanted mafia.
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Post Post #2573 (isolation #605) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:44 pm

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play is more important than mechanics, and should be emphasized, unless a player is mechanically confirmed town by some evidence
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Post Post #2582 (isolation #606) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:00 pm

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@koki: there is a very slight chance you are scum with profii. i am not trusting of it to the point where i can completely guarantee nico is scum with profii, especially when the basis of my anti-associative for you is the fact that both you and profii have question townreads on each other, which why do that if you are scum together?

maria is just not scum with profii. if rc and profii was s vs. s, then there goes decency in trying to manipulate your way to a win!
In post 1200, profii wrote:
In post 1197, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 854, profii wrote:
In post 843, GirlInFreezer wrote:if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.
Actually this is scummy

This infers you are not the JK

You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt

You did it anyway

Ergo, this is a scummy post
attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.
ugh, no, you were saying the other day you couldnt be bothered to fight GIF either...

if you drive this mislynch through i hope you are the JK because
scum are taking you to lylo in this game...
scum taking me to lylo completely depends on me being town

then he votes me his next post. doesn’t even discuss me being scummy, but still votes me.
In post 1201, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun

still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #607) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:05 pm

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touche you and profii, which is why i don’t want nico first lol.

so how will we compromise then?

shall you iso nico in my iso just to see if you can maintain that stance afterwards?
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Post Post #2589 (isolation #608) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 2586, Kokichi Oma wrote:Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.
the fact that neither shoshin or i ever felt concerned about any townreads on nico is indicating to me that she might be town. profii’s townread on her just didn’t make me feel about nico as much as it did about profii. it’s more a concern of if nico!scum, then why does nico!town seem so plausible relative to the other remaining players for me.
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Post Post #2590 (isolation #609) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:22 pm

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*make me feel bad
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #610) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:25 pm

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shoshin and i both demonstrated concern about townreads on a). kokichi and b). profii
i have on maria from kokichi - i am not sure if that points towards koki scum or maria scum fmpov.

my last town game, heroes wanted, i demonstrated concern on the townreads of 6 players the entire game. 4 of those 6 were the only 4 scum i was in the game with, so that turned out very accurate.

i only demonstrated concern about a townread on momrangal in american president’s mafia. she was scum

i can bring proof if you need it
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Post Post #2592 (isolation #611) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:30 pm

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of course i replaced out of american president’s mafia early on d1, but still managed to get that in.

in a marathon game, i questioned one townread that was placed on the worst, the worst was scum.

so from what i recall, 6/8 players i have questioned townreads on have been scum, or 75%. that is not bad
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Post Post #2593 (isolation #612) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:03 pm

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VOTE: Profii

not willing to comprise with nico, koki, because look what i did d1. i compromised for aronis, and guess what: that townflipped —> so i have to trust my instincts here when i find a player that is far and away scummier than the rest.

but reading end of d2 now!
In post 1751, northsidegal wrote:anyways, on an unrelated note, not sure why i should be townreading shoshin. from the very beginning i kind of just took it as a granted but looking back on his posts right now (and especially those from today), i realize that i was giving out far too easy of a townread.
interesting, you’ve considered the same situation with me today as shoshin yesterday. this should be signaling to you, then, since you were wrong there that perhaps one of your townreads is wrong (hint: profii)!
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #613) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:11 pm

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In post 1784, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ok Maria is scum nevermind. No way she votes me as town here ever
In post 1785, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: Maria

If you lynch me. LYNCH MARIA TOMORROW. FOR ONCE TRUST ME ON MY READ ON HER
In post 1798, Kokichi Oma wrote:Sadly. Maria is town.
this transition was change, but not necessarily scum indicative. what was your thought process here, kokichi?
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Post Post #2597 (isolation #614) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:30 pm

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In post 1929, profii wrote:for example, this is absolutely horrendous in my opinion, so let's break it down:

1. NSG saying that I'm scummy because of content is bullshit. My content is fine.

There is a theme in your ISO where you are not appearing interested in other players world views and just want to impose your opinion - e.g. why does you think my content is scummy vs my content is fine are worlds apart.

2. She suspects me because I'm not around, period. Saying otherwise is bullshit.


NSG is right - if you find NSG scummy, any reason NSG has posted is therefore fabricated as she is informed already. Therefore you saying she has a genuine reason to scum read you means NSG is uninformed, ergo, town.

3. And so is her read on Profii. I don't see how she's townreading that.

1869 you say NSG is town reading me, 1923, NSG could be null on me - get your stance on what you think NSG is actually doing clear please
terrible response to shoshin here, becahse genuine reason to scum read does not necessary equal uninformed perspective. in fact, scum can come off as having a genuine reason to scum read someone, so i don’t get how you would derive an uninformed perspective out of that. it seems to have been a misrep of what shoshin said
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Post Post #2598 (isolation #615) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:35 pm

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@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #616) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:09 am

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In post 2604, profii wrote:I just spotted a naughty mis rep in one of stuns posts

NSG mentioned making massive cases about everyone is necessarily town indicative

Given we may be waiting another week for NSG can anyone else confirm that?
i spot a naughty misrep in just about every post you make, lol, so idk why or where you think to point out a notion where mine are ever naughtiest? :P

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remaining can really attest for my townplay except maybe kokichi but only if koki ever looked at my heroes wanted iso—but then again he really did not keep up with that game. creature and shoshin could have, but they are dead. irrelephant could —> shoshins friemd. tw could through nicorobin if nico cared enough about this game. :!:

heroes wanted mafia —> my most recent town game -> good read because i did that consistently.
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #617) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:10 am

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In post 2603, profii wrote:Gamma flipped town
yeah, i already said this. did you read before posting this? :P
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Post Post #2610 (isolation #618) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:16 am

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In post 2599, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2598, stungun0404 wrote:@koki, what, if anything, strikes you as town about profii?
Nothing really. I think it's more paranoia. The fact that you won't lynch Nico
hey, i joined that wagon for a bit to start this day phase.

you never really pushed profii besides slight push end of day before going straight to creature wagon.

i just replaced in for a nico!town slot in heroes wanted which lurked out, so then it’s credible i am town that was defending her meta early on having just replaced in for in a game where i could sense she was town, right? :P

tbf, she is not clear town here like she was there, but sth just won’t allow me to settle on nico!scum rn
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #619) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:13 pm

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hmm, koki is very likely town. his reactions after both the town lynchwagons are far and away the most uninformed and towniest to my eyes simply looking at the reactions after townplayers were lynched.

i might be swayed to vote nico. if i can guarantee koki!town, i am absolutely voting there because maria and profii scum team seems theoretically impossible to me.
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Post Post #2614 (isolation #620) » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:15 pm

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update

nsg/stun
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #621) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:40 am

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i absolutely agree with what koki said. at this point, i have enough confidence about koki being town to be sure i feel confident about nico being lynched and flipping scum — regardless of which is scum between maria and profii— though i seriously lean towards profii there. it seems nsg would prefer that over profii, so...

VOTE: Nico

and i also echo that it is pointless for us to be waiting so much right now, but that it is urgent we know what nsg does so she needs to check in again!

some of us would like this game to like not last... forever. i see there are like 4 games (micros 817-820) in the micro queue that started after us and finished before us. kind of a sign this game is dragging on too long
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #622) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:00 am

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nah, i feel koki and stun are both town, you are not fooling me at this moment

case one of us if you feel so inclined :P
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #623) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:37 pm

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kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase. :D

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.
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Post Post #2664 (isolation #624) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:38 pm

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In post 2660, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi, I would like you to search my ISO and use the find function in your browser on PAGE 3 of my iso specifically and tell me if that changes your perspective of nico and I being a possible pair, also considering that the majority of that was this day phase. :D

if I must be jk'd, i'll be jk'd, but I don't want to be a mislynch because scum pulls another no kill.
looking specifically for mentions of "nico" I forgot to add
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Post Post #2666 (isolation #625) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:40 pm

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In post 2663, Kokichi Oma wrote:Going into tomorrow stun if nico flips scum, what's your percentage on who her partner is between prof and maria.
80% profii

20% maria

I remember maria early this day phase wanting to avoid the nico lynch until we steadied on it iirc, and she wanted to be JK but then backed off with her vote because rc wanted her to wait. it was a very strange way to handle things. meanwhile, I lingered on the wagon for like 2 days roughly.
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Post Post #2668 (isolation #626) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:40 pm

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she was like "profii is getting lynched no matter what"
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Post Post #2669 (isolation #627) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 1634, stungun0404 wrote:i actually like creature’s response here myself as well. ugh, who even is scum then?


@creature, just so i know before deciding to unvote you, why do you think nico “feels” town?
why am I asking this for a pair? it's usually nonsensical for a scum player to question a townread on another scumplayer
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Post Post #2670 (isolation #628) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:44 pm

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* if we are a pair
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Post Post #2671 (isolation #629) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:49 pm

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In post 1856, stungun0404 wrote:creature, what are your thoughts on nico? would you encourage a policy lynch there right now if it happened?
wouldn't ask about a policy lynch on a prospective partner

I was also the first to seriously consider nico!scum this day phase in my : why make the case I made there in MYLO if we are partners?
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Post Post #2673 (isolation #630) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:55 pm

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In post 2052, stungun0404 wrote:here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here
In post 2054, stungun0404 wrote:i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.


i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn
2 other posts this day phase that are nonsensical if nico + stun team were the case.

that good enough to ease your worries koki? like sure, if that scenario comes --> nsg can jail me if you are certain you think it is the best move, but knowing I am town I would heavily discourage it.
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Post Post #2674 (isolation #631) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:02 pm

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In post 666, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Stungun
In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis
one last thing... i swear!

nico voteparked on me for 8 days (from August 4th to August 12th) on D1 until she moved to aronis, all the while i was being considered a lynchwagon and was taken to L-2 twice, which was super strange and lowkey scumpinged me at the time but i never did anything about it until now :-/


she was the first or second vote on my wagon, I cannot recall which off the top of my head, but she joined it on its second rendition.
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Post Post #2677 (isolation #632) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:31 pm

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ok!

lynch —> nico

jail —> maria

in effect if we lynch now just b/c if nsg dies, she’d have to stick by her word so we don’t mislynch no one!
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Post Post #2678 (isolation #633) » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:47 pm

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there should be nothing more to wait on.

day phase ends in 4 days, 19 hours so just note that!

nico i feel confident will flip scum, especially with my confidence is koki!town. as i arranged the scumpools earlier today, i was pretty confident scum was one of {profii, maria} + one of {koki, nico}, but with koki being confident town that means nico is scum.
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Post Post #2694 (isolation #634) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:06 am

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In post 2687, profii wrote:In fact a no lynch is a better choice than Nico now
that’s a scum suggestion to distract off nico’s wagon, because puh-lease you can’t be that certain nico is town if town. no lynches hurt town more often than they help them.

i’m standing at 98% profii, 2% maria rn for scum partner, koki
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Post Post #2695 (isolation #635) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:10 am

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In post 2688, profii wrote:A question for stun

Let’s say I hammer rn

If Nico flipped town, you would agree that makes me mechanically proven town? I know it doesn’t matter because scum are odds on to NK and win it but humour me and tell me you can see that?
a). i’ll worry about that when and if the time comes

because b). it seems like you are trying to distract me off nico’s lynchwagon

with c). evidence that really would not conftown you. sure you’d look townier, but it does not conftown you, so i refuse to be distracted by that rn
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Post Post #2696 (isolation #636) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:15 am

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@mod: can we get a vote count?
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Post Post #2697 (isolation #637) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:17 am

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look: no other lynchwagon’s going thru. so either nsg or profii hammers
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Post Post #2701 (isolation #638) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:55 am

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fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #639) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:57 am

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here’s the deal

aronis found profii and nico to be scum, and maria/koki/myself towny; most of all myself, second of all koki/maria.

creature thought profii was town at the end, thought one of {nicorobin/koki; leaning towards nico at the end} + maria was potential scumteam, thought i was town along with profii.

shoshin thought profii was scum. shoshin thought i was town, as well as maria. she had no real opinion on nico, but discouraged what creature said about policy lynching her.

nsg has never seriously settled on nico!town.

i discounted on a few occasions, but never really strongly townread nico.

neither of maria/koki, who i presume to be town atm, ever strongly tr nico.

only profii. how is this confidence meter being upheld right now? logic i cannot understand at a fundamental level.

so nico has by and large not been heavily townread to the point of wanting to no lynch by any flipped town—or other players we’d possibly assume to be town. i have no idea where profii is getting this idea from, but it is unsettling. aronis would have thought profii and nico scumteam made sense, and maybe shoshin too if she knew nsg was town. as for creature, he could see nico scum, so that’s a wise lynch choice today; but dismissed profii thinking he was town for reasons i never fully grasped.
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Post Post #2712 (isolation #640) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:14 am

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go for it!

love the attention :D
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Post Post #2714 (isolation #641) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:29 am

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that’s a massive misrep, because how exactly can you assess my understanding of sth?
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Post Post #2715 (isolation #642) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:42 am

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In post 2465, profii wrote:nsg
stun
nico

koki
maria

whilst i think that is game solve, ill let JK sort you/nico as i dont really know
if stun is scum before maria he has played the clueless townie well and duped me but there must be scum in {me/stun/maria} as i know im town and there hasnt been a rush so i suggest the lynch should be within us 3


your town lean on maria is what puts you below nico in my list
how do you have me above nico here?

and now you are voting me? i have not sensed how town!you would flip that drastically so quickly, therefore it seems unnatural when my primary thing right now is pushing the nico lynch through, then worrying about you afterwards

it comes off like you are, well obviously, defending your scumpartner
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Post Post #2717 (isolation #643) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:48 am

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i cannot understand fundamentally how both you and nico would be town. it makes zero sense, because i’d have to completely assume maria and koki are partners, but then koki is towny as i have figured out and maria —> meh, but probs town. point is, i really don’t think koki is scum rn.

one at most can be scum, because i know i am not scum. ergo, at least one of you or nico is 100% flipping scum. and well, i think it is both of you as i have already mentioned, but nico has the higher chance because profii/maria does not make a damn bit of sense. so either it is profii/nico or maria/nico fmpov. 100% of the time there you can see nico is scum.

i am about 99% sure you are just the partner of nico, because a). you made a post that looked like potential chainsaw hacking at me voting her d1 when she could defend herself, b). you have a very scummy resume, and c). you are literally the only one that would dare support a no lynch to save her.

last game i was in, in fact, when nancydrew!scum felt her faction might be in danger, she aggressively pushed for a no lynch.

you are pushing for a no lynch over nico. in what sense is that towny when you have very little reasoning attributed to why you are townfending her so hard? you have not given us much reasoning other than it would not make sense for her to change her meta for one game — but that is weak at best when in fact her gameplay here has resembled that in content of another one i mentioned earlier. i genuinely do not see how town ever adopts the stances you are taking right now, ergo occam’s razor in my mind is to assume you are scum.
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Post Post #2718 (isolation #644) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:49 am

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oh look at this, scumpartners wagoning me in a last-ditch effort to save themselves. i am so shocked! :eek:
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #645) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:55 am

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nsg, what say you?

are you willing to hammer nico? because it seems we have reached a standstill where otherwise things will not go any other way.

if you need to uphold confidence i am town, feel free to ask me anything! :D
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #646) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:00 am

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^ still could be you and maria

but regardless you are pretty much scum fmpov, because koki is very lilely town and profii and maria are not scum together. must i repeat this ad finitum? can you directly attack koki’s post-lynch reactions if you genuinely think she is scum since you voted him before me, and like your only other 2 players you voted were aronis and nsg who are both like conftown now

and you voteparked on me too of course d1

so i see nothing town about where or when you voted

i see at as infinite layers of protection provided to the profii lynchwagon
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #647) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:03 am

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you, hands down, have a higher chance of flipping scum due to the associative states being what they are

i voted profii earlier this day phase ftr

you think koki and i are partners :lol:

what other bs will you fling at us?
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #648) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:11 am

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it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely

this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responding by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i am asking you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i was voting. what that tells me is you had no des to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote
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Post Post #2726 (isolation #649) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:12 am

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In post 2725, stungun0404 wrote:it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely town one to occur.

this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responded by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i asked you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i and everyone else had voted. what that tells me is you had no desire to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote
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Post Post #2727 (isolation #650) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:17 am

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In post 2719, stungun0404 wrote:
nsg, what say you?

are you willing to hammer nico? because it seems we have reached a standstill where otherwise things will not go any other way.

if you need to uphold confidence i am town, feel free to ask me anything!
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putting this in bold so it stands out in relief
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #651) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:33 am

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i know i am town,

so for me to assume koki and maria are scum together is nonsensical. why? because i’d have to assume koki!scum after these posts following the first two town lynchwagons

day 1: aronis gets lynched,

afterwards koki’s responses:
In post 1355, Kokichi Oma wrote:If this flips scum, I'd be jailing creature. If I'm jk that is.
this is either scum playing out a complete day by wifom’ing a choice and picking a townplayer in the process, or town trying to suggest who they could see as a scum partner.

easier answer: town
In post 1363, Kokichi Oma wrote:If he flips town I'm doccing. If I'm JK
this is either scum rementioning a strategy i stated earlier in the thread recently won a game in LYLO for me before the night phase, or town repeating it because they want it to sink in the heads of the jk.

tbf, this is kinda moot with the no kill, but still i do not think scum repeats this, then there is d2 which i will bring into consideration here in a sec.

i think koki!scum just shuts up after a town lynch
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Post Post #2733 (isolation #652) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:37 am

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after creature lynch d2, also a townflip:
In post 1994, Kokichi Oma wrote:Jail profil. If last scum isnt prof it's in Nico and NSG
fooled into thinking creature!scum perhaps because he scumclaimed? note: koki does bot even consider if creature flips town. i think that is a genuine town reaction there. also already gives an idea of where he stands today, so consistency there.

In post 1995, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think creature is trying to wifom us saying his partner is a townread but I think its someone we sr.
this would be scum further playing the game to completeness. genuinely would he expect anyone as scum to be looking into posts like these? ergo, the consistency of this is what makes koki look very town to me.
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Post Post #2735 (isolation #653) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:39 am

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in other words, koki would have to be playing one really good scum game, if scum, in its completeness. is that even within koki’s scumrange?
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Post Post #2739 (isolation #654) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:46 am

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this is just from page 1 of my iso, not to mention koki’s responses and the other 3 pages

koki was my top scumread on the whole d1. things have changed a lot since then
Spoiler: “sure, koki and i were the scum team d1, lololol”

In post 612, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 605, stungun0404 wrote:it’s perfectly acceptable to be scumread, you know

there’s nothing ruining about it. and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

like there’s no need to have this kind of reaction — town or scum.
like, you won’t even meta my newbie scum game. come on!

@kokichi, can you at least do that? you’ll see something far different from what you see here. newbie 1875
In post 799, stungun0404 wrote:kokichi: sets up lynch on creature in if he does not towntell early. why? so a mislynch happens perhaps?

but in post 40, in response to shoshin after i voted creature, kokichi echoes creature is probably town. and if he is not, that will be clear later. idk why 10 pages is supposably enough room for kokichi to advocate a lynch on creature, but it's something i do not like.

felt opportunistic to me, and similar of a response to what my scum partner in newbie 1875 -- platfleece -- said to invisibility early in that game of "What do you have to say in your defense, invis?" -- when he was L-2 in rvs. that is the type of vibe it gives me. it feels like it is fishing for information that would have net negative utility to town, but net positive utility to scum.

: first scumlean is on me--which has stayed oddly consistent so far.

: expresses concerns of nsg not posting, so as to call attention to her. this has more net scum motive than town motive, overall.

: sure keep clinging on to the narrative that creature is easy to sort. this has proven wrong for me so far largely, and it seems like you want to possibly keep him alive as mislynch potential later, idk.

: the irony is this post is pretty aggressive.


: do not remember this question about nico, but he is definitely way more lurkier as town than scum, so idk what you mean there. it's easily proveable by the number of prods he has gotten in town games.

: this vote by kokichi on me was a little oddly timed i think, and with no attached reasoning. first vote for kokichi.

: lol @ her thanking gif for sheeping on me when she herself had no reasoning attached to her vote :-X
i think kokichi is scum here

: why are you so attentive kokichi to tracking the voting patterns of gif? is it because you are scum partners? or is profii your scum partner? time will tell.
and anyway my post called attention directly to the fact that he changed his vote many times. so what game are you reading there? seems like you are distorting what i directly put in front of you.

: perfect timing for scum to step in and spread paranoia about my rc/gif vote/stance, so yeah it just seems biased that you are so heavily tending towards the fact that i am scum no matter what, kokichi. i do not think town you is like this at all.


i cannot reason with most of kokichi's content so far coming from town, therefore clear scumlean here. likeliness of being town: 38 %

i will finish this iso later but i seriously think kokichi is scum here after reinvestigating. do not know if partner would be profii OR gif yet.

and i think this is enough for me to VOTE: Kokichi, having acknowledged this now.
In post 801, stungun0404 wrote:@aronis: what do you think of kokichi? is that a vote you are OK with?

@shoshin: you as well!

i think kokichi should be a serious lynch option today because i feel there is a good shot he flips scum. if you are willing to sheep me on nsg, aronis, are you willing to sheep me on kokichi?

meanwhile i will continue sifting thru kokichi’s content, but i am pretty sure it is not coming from town
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In post 248, profii wrote:Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign
does profii know more about kokichi than i, hmm?

profii-kokichi scum team ftw?

both my friemd and i could see kokichi and profii both being scum; we think gif just might be town after all.

In post 248, profii wrote:Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign
In post 283, profii wrote:
In post 265, Shoshin wrote:
In post 248, profii wrote:Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign
So basically everyone could be scum and you don't have any thoughts about who it is?
Well the point of that post was

stun - prob not scum
Aronis - scum read
Shoshin - scum lean (though i later retract that)
Gif - no idea right now but if you held a gun to my head I’ll go town
NSG - whilst lurking is bad, I’ll aboid reading a slot on 2 posts
Koki - scum lean


So 8 players excluding myself, I’ve offered 3 potential scum slots
I’m leaning most strongly towards Aronis


So basically everyone actually is less than half


There are other times where I would call this shade and say you are scummy for it but your meta diving is swaying me towards saying you are someone who has confidence in their convictions and when you believe in something you will lead your wagon rather than sheep someone else’s

If some other players come in with “yes this fits your meta” uncontested I’ll basically lock town you tbh despite me thinking there are flaws in your case - the intentions seem pure
scum heavy analysis, including a scum lean on kokichi that is never followed as far as a vote goes... hmm...
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In post 284, profii wrote:VOTE: aronis
L-2
this vote reeks mislynch all over it

l-2’ing aronis with no attached reasoning? don’t like this

you scum read him the post before, but you have so many scum leans in your analysis there that this looks like a scummy push for you to choose this of all lynchwagons you could have

i am similarly, like kokichi’s iso, having trouble towning much of your content here so far... so you are probably scum
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In post 32, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
Unfortunately
with hindsight, this might be telling...

even though gamma picked first, kokichi shows a propensity for scum roles here by saying ‘unfortunately’ he is town.
In post 823, stungun0404 wrote:continuing kokichi, now where did i leave off? looks like .

in : calls out gif push as garbage, but apparently has taken the stance that the pushes on me so far have not been garbage, which is interesting to note. why would you think the push is garbage when i had explicitly mentioned i am withholding reasoning on it. seems like you are trying to instigate something out of seemingly nothing there.

: lol, i refer kokichi to meta my most recent scum game, and his immediate reaction is "how long ago was it?" as if looking for a direct excuse NOT to. i tell him it finished a week ago, but then never get another peep from it out of kokichi--implying he wasn't gonna bother reading it regardless of how long ago it was. so pointless question that scum asks there as a way of trying to avoid iso'ing that game. it's pointless because no follow-up.

: as of this post, it is absolutely a false statement if you are stating that you have scumread other people than me. i have literally been your ONLY scumread as of post 691; the only player you have really even seriously considered as scum. this looks like you wanting to capitalize on my mislynch potentiality while not testing the waters anywhere else this day phase.

you had said creature is likely town at an early stage granted, and townread rc, and that you liked shoshin as town, but you literally had only focused on the potential of me and me alone being scum. why not seriously consider other options? this especially looks bad when i myself know i am town; can you see how this looks bad from my perspective? it's like you are afraid of scumreading anyone else thus far.

: finally, you give a reads list! but prior to this point, you had not said a word about profii potentially being scum --> and for that matter no one but me. so what in your mind made you put him in the scum zone?

also, curious why girlinfreezer is obv town in your reads, and aronis would classify as a scum lean; i would think nicorobin would have been a bigger scum lean of yours if you had questioned me at an early point about him being lurkier as scum and her classifying as hella lurky this game.
In post 703, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 692, profii wrote:
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because he's scum
Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM
What if both were scum roles then and she had no choice? Why rule out that possibility?
this is very improbable; we worry about that imo if we see a scum flip of the slot in the other game. scum tend to favor possibility > probability more often than town, and that has so far been a good scum tell for me, so this might be a scum suggestive post if you have one.

it is very likely scum calls a point like this to serious attention, and that town just lets that possibility go by the wayside because of its unlikeliness. town would rather worry about that later. my question is if town, why seriously feel the urge to call this into question, knowing that it is seriously very improbable.
In post 762, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 754, stungun0404 wrote:Kokichi is wrongly tunneled on me
Why am I wrong?
lol. another unnecessary question. you are wrong if town, but are technically playing to your wincon if scum.

: i think you are scum now, to answer your question.

: well, i haven't seen you as scum before, so of course you would point that out. but i have seen you as town multiple times, and your gameplay here just has a very strange, scummy feeling to it, that i cannot ignore. does not seem like you are town looking at the content focus of your posts so far.

updated confidence read: 43% kokichi is town (+5%) since last read. will adjust this in accordance with the other reads of gif and profii i determine.


@shoshin, you said you wanted to consult with your friemd. can you look into kokichi's iso while explicitly looking for town markers and let me know what you guys can find? because i'm lost trying to find any myself; which probably implicates kokichi as scum. i want to see if you can correlate with my read here, essentially seeing what i am seeing.

p-edit: of course there are 2 additional posts when i go to post this, making me have to edit the post tags, lmao!
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In post 826, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 823, stungun0404 wrote:814: well, i haven't seen you as scum before, so of course you would point that out. but i have seen you as town multiple times, and your gameplay here just has a very strange, scummy feeling to it, that i cannot ignore. does not seem like you are town looking at the content focus of your posts so far.
Okay? And what is different?
In post 827, Kokichi Oma wrote:what in particular
you seem... settled on a particular game interpretation. and not that confused, whereas you seem a little more confused in your townplay i am used to; especially when it comes to scumreads—> i have been your primary one this day phase, with maybe a hint of profii, but still your only vote.
In post 845, stungun0404 wrote:actually no. you know what, i’m not complying with this attempt to strongarm the lynch options

i’m voting who i think is scummiest. VOTE: Kokichi
In post 911, stungun0404 wrote:what makes kokichi town in this game though? it’s unsettling me a bit to try and decipher how others are forming that read
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Post Post #2743 (isolation #655) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:54 am

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except that does not take into account that you two have been defending each other since d1

i literally have only really defended koki at all this day phase once i figured he was town.

it’s easy to dismiss posts like that as wifom, but scum typically is not thorough enough to make posts like that, and if they are then props to them, koki earned this win anyway because all considered he really is not that scummy
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Post Post #2745 (isolation #656) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:57 am

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because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
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Post Post #2746 (isolation #657) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:04 pm

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besides, profii: nico does not tend to distance based off meta, and you would have distanced d2 when you voted nico.

in fact, what has changed since that vote to make you so resistant to that lynchwagon?
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #658) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:13 pm

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No. You are not allowed to read me off an aspect of my meta unless you take other aspects of my meta into account too, like me being useless as town.[/quote]
except, i
did
take into account the entirety of your meta. stockport is a huge exception, and your only other micro game iirc, where you basically played like you have played here in terms of content. ergo, content in a micro-sized game would not be a complete assessment for you without giving special consideration to your only other scum micro. you are stretching here to make your point, when in fact i gave considerable detail to your meta style at an earlier point
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Post Post #2752 (isolation #659) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:21 pm

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In post 2751, profii wrote:
In post 2701, stungun0404 wrote:fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town
In post 2745, stungun0404 wrote:because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.
:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here! :!: :!: :!:
:lol:

IF
nico flips town

not if she flips scum

therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn

like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.
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Post Post #2753 (isolation #660) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:23 pm

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profii, you have been so all over the place this game

and yet, on the whole, oddly consistent with nico of all players....

you expect me to think this is genuine?
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Post Post #2755 (isolation #661) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:27 pm

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fmpov, then what is scum team if nico!town

koki-maria? koki-profii?

like explain to me how those would make sense at this point
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Post Post #2758 (isolation #662) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 2757, NicoRobin wrote:If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!
except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?
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Post Post #2759 (isolation #663) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:50 pm

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profii has said he was town off memory, so has nico and so have i

i cannot recall such for maria and koki for sure, but i really think maria did, thus should i vote them? like that does not make sense
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Post Post #2761 (isolation #664) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:55 pm

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if i’m speaking frankly from your supposed vantage points, i have no idea why either you nico or you profii have chosen me freely over maria or koki.
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Post Post #2762 (isolation #665) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:00 pm

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yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
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Post Post #2764 (isolation #666) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:10 pm

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there’s a lot of things that would be completely unnecessary and way too much overthinking if scum that it should not dare even make sense i am scum.

like, why would i do this before actually hammering aronis when i could just hammer him anyway and say he’s scummy? i have way more, but this is for starters when i had the hammer vote.
In post 1333, stungun0404 wrote:i found via a town game of aronis’s a common frustration: he is troll-y as town. so many of his posts can read as scummy to the eye, and as anti-town at first sight, making his posts easy to attack when he is town although in his town games it appears players have noticed a lack of true scum MOTIVATION behind his posts. so perhaps i would feel at ease casing him for some of his major posts looking specifically for whether there is a scum motivation behind the posts he has made.


Spoiler: looking for scum motivation behind aronis’s posts
In post 10, Aronis wrote:wow already voting me :( you guys are mean
first post in thread. i had already voted him, but no omgus vote = lack of scum motivation.


In post 11, Aronis wrote:
In post 9, northsidegal wrote:oh, i feel like this'll be a hard playerlist to read.
don't worry, I'll make sure to be obvtown in the next 24 hours to lighten the load up for you!! :cop:
lack of scum motivation here is also present; he is putting pressure on himself to town it up.

In post 28, Aronis wrote:
In post 24, Shoshin wrote:Hey Stun & Aronis, help us lynch Kokichi!
I plan on it! I'm just waiting for them to get to L-1 so I can quickhammer
fits in with general trolliness of his playstyle, which players tend to take issue with.

possible scum motivation in quickhammering a player, but the lack of scum motivation is present in that he is not pushing for that player actively to be lynched until his next post, which gives a different impression.



In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
In post 55, Aronis wrote:
In post 34, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
ok, this has possible scum motivation for sure. quicklynching a possible townplayer (or even scum for that matter) gives town little information to go off of, so if he’s even jokily trying to encourage me here, that could definitely rate as scummy. really, he can’t seriously believe i will follow this though, right?





Good idea. I'm sure NOTHING could possibly go wrong with this plan
I know it's beautiful. you should selfvote so we can make it happen!!!
again, he’s being jokily aggressive. but he can’t seriously believe kokichi will follow through with this, can he?



In post 105, Aronis wrote:
In post 80, GirlInFreezer wrote:+town
GIF (obvtown)
kokichi (think sliiightly more likely to come from town so far but I'll see)

NSG (less likely to take scum)
Creature (less likely to take scum)
will reassess that based on their play from here on out

nicorobin (very slightly, gut read ish?)
Aronis (maybe I shouldn't actually townread this already but meh think slightly more likely to be town. no ideah ow to rly read them tho)

that leaves

Shoshin
Stungun
Profii

and I'm independently scumreading all 3 of their play so happy with where i'm at rn
I generally confess my guilt by page 7 when I'm scum- so you really don't need to worry about me. If I'm not town you'll find out very soon
again, puts pressure on himself to town it up again. and this is anti-scum wincon the way he has played so far if he is indeed scum, so i see lack of scum motivation.


In post 166, Aronis wrote:
In post 165, profii wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:
In post 106, Shoshin wrote:Hey Aronis, any reads?
okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts
why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler
In post 157, Shoshin wrote:Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...
Why are you changing it up
yeah keep trying to distract from the fact that I caught you
In post 170, Aronis wrote:WOW OMGUS vote

these scum aren't holding back and are going for my throat

I should've seen this coming
does not cast votes, but calls out suspicions, which given the eye test can definitely look scummy. this has possible scum motivation —> i can see it.



In post 237, Aronis wrote:oh no guys don't lynch me I'm a town cop
In post 239, Aronis wrote:i don't like taking this game very seriously, then I just get stressed out and frustrated

i generally wait until about day 3 to scumhunt
In post 254, Aronis wrote:VOTE: NSG

I'm trusting stun since I think he's one of about three town players in this game with me and is making sense
In post 258, Aronis wrote:stop being anti town RC
vote NSG
In post 281, Aronis wrote:okay i'm pretty sure shoshin is conftown at this point and one of the best players on this site
In post 282, Aronis wrote:i might just sheep shoshin for the rest of the game tbh
In post 285, Aronis wrote:wow you can tell profii just got caught
gotta go back and modify that readslist real quick before anyone else realizes she/he is scum
In post 287, Aronis wrote:you got called out for being vague- something you do as scum, so you just made the most direct and to the point readslist possible and then your conclusion is oh, let's put someone else at L2 to try to get as much attention off of me as possible
In post 290, Aronis wrote:
In post 288, profii wrote:Feel free to interrogate as much as you can to understand the rationale for any of my reads if you want to send attention my way

I felt my first list was mis repped because I don’t feel like I’m scum reading “basically everyone” by any stretch so I thought clarity would help

But you do seem to be directing heat in my direction ironically
I count one very weak town endorsement on stungun from that list
everybody else you ignore, don't commit, or call scum. Scum reading "basically everyone" seems like a fairly accurate description. You definitely didn't give any real town reads out.
In post 340, Aronis wrote:Stungun might as well be an IC at this point
In post 630, Aronis wrote:Whatttttt i kinda want to lynch gif for that. It feels like a massive overreaction. I don't see town frustration in doing that in this situation
In post 800, Aronis wrote:
In post 759, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?
Honestly I'm frustrated enough that I'd kill anybody that isn't you, me, or shoshin
In post 957, Aronis wrote:why is creature so obsessed with the jailkeeper?
In post 1005, Aronis wrote:I imagine it's because he doesn't like being scum
In post 1106, Aronis wrote:I'm pretty sure saying hi 4+ times is a scumtell
In post 1108, Aronis wrote:I've never seen a town player say hi that many times in a single game day
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
In post 1256, Aronis wrote:Besides the votes on me were horrible. Profii's flipped his vote between three different people multiple times in the past few hours. Profii and Creature are both just trying to avoid getting lynched and kill anyone possible. They don't have any legitimate reasons for voting me

Nico over here has made 17 posts. Their play is horrible and incredibly anti-town. The mod has double the posts Nico does and everyone else's slot has minimally three times more. Nico is sitting over here telling you that lurking is a town behavior- I think we all know that's dumb. Then to top it off when I call them out for being hands down the worst player in the game, they pretty much OMGUS vote me because they're offended or something dumb.

MariaR's vote was the only one I took moderately seriously and even then it wasn't great. The wagon on me was an absolute joke and one I have no intentions of caring about
In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum
In post 1276, Aronis wrote:
In post 1267, NicoRobin wrote:You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c
I'm saying lurking isn't town behavior and is anti-town. Provide all the examples you want, I highly doubt you'll be able to solidly prove it's a townie course of action on a repeated basis.


p-edit: with 2 hours left i am just going to post all this and continue considering them from there.

i would like if players could try to find serious scum motivation in his posts, because i see a lack thereof.
In post 1329, stungun0404 wrote:i’m doing a quick aronis metadive to see if it is consistent with what i think before potentially hammering
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Post Post #2765 (isolation #667) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pm

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i felt burned out from mafia, but rather than directly using the excuses to my advantage i made a massive wallpost on why i thought creature scum. i was not scum pushing creature there, as i was town that genuinely thought he was scum. when nobody is reading all my cases, why as scum make such a detailed case?

Spoiler: massive creature scum case
In post 1608, stungun0404 wrote:i think creature is scum, and has been getting help from his friemd ircher that is now out of the opposing game and flipped town. a lot of his d1 posts reflect his scum tendencies to my recollection. notice how creature has been a bit more substantial out of nowhere this day phase -- this can be attributed to his partner helping him out now that he is out of the other game. otherwise, why was creature so relatively insubstantial last day phase, in the sense that he sheeped me with a townread of shoshin (which he is still trusting) and sheeped me hoping i was right with a vote on profii.

i am feeling burned out with mafia right now, however, so i'll just post what i had already typed up here and call it a day for now.



creature would definitely take scum over ircher imo. there is no doubt in my mind if the 2 had that option. creature has been in so many scum games recently in his meta actually, looking at them. why wouldn't he take on another potentially - now that we know ircher flipped town in the other game?


seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov.

it seems this is one way scum!creature inflates his post counts in certain games where otherwise he might be caught. he did it here, thus he is very likely scum based off his meta.
In post 221, Creature wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:creature- probably town.
I liked one of his posts
lol
reads like he's possibly intending to doubtcast aronis. is he even implicating that he is scum, and therefore aronis should not townread him there?

also serves to deflect attention back to aronis, just by creature simply questioning it, even though creature is not on the wagon at this point--he is on the profii wagon "hoping that i am right" there. i'm getting pocket-y vibes there, now.

also lol posts @ profii in when he says maria vs. creature is t vs. s.


other games of proof

Creature!Scum game in transformers mafia
In post 139, Creature wrote:
In post 111, UnrealSeal wrote:creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game
while RC fervantly defends him
kappa
lol
if you look at transformers mafia too, you'll notice creature seriously
diverged
from his lurkiness as scum tendency. granted, that game was multiball, but it can't be discounted when there are people enabling certain elements of his scumplay as being impossible for creature to perform.

lol. well that hunt failed miserably; of course it would be in another game i played with him but nowhere else in the first page of his most recent threads :lol:
but i did ensure that he indeed did that in none of his town games on the entire first page.


he also tends to make posts with higher frequency as scum that only contain the substance of "???"
stockport mafia (scum game)
viewtopic.php?p=9993221#p9993221
viewtopic.php?p=9996526#p9996526

he did so here as well in and

there's more games to credit here from a quick dive into his meta, but i really don't feel like doing it right now as i mentioned i am burned out.


makes a post in a scum game where similar to his opening post here--he claims he needs sth interesting to happen.
viewtopic.php?p=9856177#p9856177
does it in his first post here:



hmm... sidenote to lookout. creature and nicorobin scum team has won a game before where creature was lynched d1. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75246



creature from my memory also seems super focused with clearing himself in his scum games as opposed to trying to sort other players. he tried to do that here with me last day phase in being ok if i proposed a lynch option, as long as it's not him. that's when i turned to profii, but that still did slightly ping me at the time.
is where he did that this game.

: why is creature suddenly so confident profii is town; enough to say stungun vs. profii is t vs. t. does he think profii will be the lynch today, and thus he is wanting to avoid that lynchwagon to put himself in a better position? that's what i am presently thinking!


and also i don't think this game can possibly exist in a state where both profii and creature are town. if one is town, simply the other is scum. they were the 2 primary "doubtcasters" of aronis, and that was a town mislynch. so one of them is pretty much scum. profii has done a few things of recent that i don't think scum would do, and as such i automatically assume creature must be scum.


also, notice how creature is veering away from majority targets, which might mean he knows certain players are town. he is doing this in favor of voting for lynches that probably won't happen (Kokichi and maria are his faves rn; even though he started the nsg wagon and that never really took off).
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Post Post #2768 (isolation #668) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:23 pm

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and what had tipped me off to this bit in particular:

“seems creature has a tendency in his scum meta, but never in his town meta, to bold certain sketchy elements of posts while simply adding a comment saying "lol". this is the main substance of the posts he gives, and it serves to directly shade another player in the game every time he does it. problem is, these posts are incredibly insubstantial and creature reflecting where creature is at and he doesn't tend to make those kinds of posts as town, or so it appears fmpov. ”

was what he did in a scum game i was watching, but not alive in, heroes wanted. he made that post at around the time i posted that case, though i obviously could not reveal it at the time but i now can, i did not think creature town would do that, blinded by him doing it in a scum game i was following closely.

evidence in that game
he had not done this in a single town game he had meta’d, but he had done it in another scum game. so that is 2 scum games, but zero town games, so to be fair i thought that would make him scum this game wanting to bring attention to aronis for a particular post.

check the timestamps of the posts and you should figure that this checks
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Post Post #2769 (isolation #669) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:23 pm

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of course you have to follow the link on the creature post to the other game to see it, but do it and you will see
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Post Post #2770 (isolation #670) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:28 pm

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In post 2766, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2762, stungun0404 wrote:yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here
of course he is. He is helping you out.
gemini is a she, just like you are (but i have gotten that wrong tbf) :P

have you talked with tw at all with regard to this game? what about if so?
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Post Post #2771 (isolation #671) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:35 pm

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you know what could be one incredibly damning thing? i don’t think off the top of my head nico has ever gotten this defensive in a town game, but perhaps she does as scum.

will have to meta to confirm this, but i am pretty sure this is the case, and she is hella defensive this game
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Post Post #2772 (isolation #672) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:05 pm

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In post 1114, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis
In post 1144, NicoRobin wrote:Lurking in the game is my town trait, and I am much more assertive as scum. I am sure that those who played w/me can tell you that much.
In post 1145, NicoRobin wrote:So if you scumread me for lurking, then lol.
i scumread you for a). your votes, b). PoE c). the fact i feel kokichi is town suggests you are then scum. d). your one blatant antitown comment about creature being jk. e). your defense of profii without backing it up with anything but tone—reads as either pocketing or a scum partner to me. f). lack of discussion with tw over anything, and dodging every prompt about it g). you voting me with that prompt simply asking you to vote, very easy excuse for scum to cling on to h). you voted for a player i feel is town and now you are voting for me. you also lead the lynch against a player i adamantly felt was town d1, and helped get nsg’s wagon to L-2 yesterday, which also made me feel sick to my stomach. i). the fact that if you are actually town you are truly playing an awful game fmpov and what i believe (i.e. koki!town and such). j). the fact that you have given no townreads outside of profii this entire game, or even town indications. k). the fact that i genuinely feel like you have not been sorting players this game so much as reacting to them. l). the fact that all your pushes have been weakly attributed, to my eyes. m). the fact that you could be scum with either of maria or profii and this game would make sense.

and other things, but you get the gist, so there i used half the alphabet. if you can respond to these, go ahead, because that is literally the only way i would even consider not voteparking you is if you give a strong response.



on another: why does it feel like we are sans maria rn? that is lowkey concerning me.
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Post Post #2774 (isolation #673) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:21 pm

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nsg, can you assure us you will be here around deadline?

because with 3 days 20 hours left and you not being around end of d1, i have to make sure of that :P

last thing we want is a no lynch—3 vs. 2 is harder to rally town votes around a scum lynch in a game where we are already struggling hard enough to reach similar conclusions.
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Post Post #2789 (isolation #674) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:10 am

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In post 2779, profii wrote:
In post 2753, stungun0404 wrote:profii, you have been so all over the place this game

and yet, on the whole, oddly consistent with nico of all players....

you expect me to think this is genuine?
Well Nico has been fairly consistent no?
so has koki. what is different? at least koki has not receded into the background time and time again, whereas nico until yesterday had less posts than the mod of the game, which is not really playing the game

stungun-aronis-nsg-kokichi-stungun: all of nicos votes; none with better reasoning than thinking creature —> jk, “i’ll lay down a vote down on you because you asked me to vote somewhere”!, “you think i’d lurk as scum aronis? you must be some fool!”, “stungun’s voting me, so this isn’t OMGUZ cuz you’re scum!”, oh “koki’s just scum, so i’ll vote her”. when i know i am town, have faith koki is town, and see all her other votes have been on town that is worrisome as fuck since we are in MYLO with this slot. I cannot see town townfending her this hard, so it is hard for me to even fathom the possibility of you being town because nico really is not a townfendable slot in this particular MYLO, at least to the degree you are putting it.

if you genuinely believe this, you should reevaluate every push she has made, because they all have been BS, and had nothing to them. therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for me and anyone else to conclude she is scum. you don’t cling on to all these excuses to vote as town, and you sure as hell don’t vote someone who simply asks you to vote, or follow and further out a potential jk, or go headfirst for a lynch on someone just because they think you might lurk as scum. tell me, what can possibly seem town about ANY of nico’s votes? they are scummy pushes at best.
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Post Post #2790 (isolation #675) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:13 am

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if i know i am town, and have consistently seen both nico and profii go for ML’s, and they are on my wagon, of course that is gonna concern me
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Post Post #2791 (isolation #676) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:16 am

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here’s something interesting: i don’t think profii ever questioned nico about being jk when it was down to nsg and nico, did he have knowledge nico was scum with him?
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Post Post #2792 (isolation #677) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:29 am

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ever since d1, nico’s votes have served as protection to profii

aronis and stungun were counters to profii, and on d2 she voted early nsg wagon while maria and i were all over profii; and again today, she goes for koki, but then saves herself by voting me together with profii.

thus, i continue conclude they are a super obvious scum duo, there is no fooling me into thinking they are not just scum together
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Post Post #2797 (isolation #678) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:03 am

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nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?
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Post Post #2798 (isolation #679) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:05 am

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In post 2797, stungun0404 wrote:nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things
regarding
me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.
it's almost as though you are not willing to take my entire iso into consideration in forming opinions


the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?
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Post Post #2799 (isolation #680) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:08 am

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UNVOTE: Nico

there's something i'd like to discuss before nsg can hammer here
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Post Post #2800 (isolation #681) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:22 am

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In post 461, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin, what do you think of profii so far?
In post 541, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 461, stungun0404 wrote:@nicorobin, what do you think of profii so far?
@nicorobin, right here!
interesting, i am noting that it took nico 2 prompts to finally answer this simple question, and she only did when i got her right after she popped into the thread the second time
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Post Post #2801 (isolation #682) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:36 am

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Spoiler: the massive wall of times i have town defended myself in this game, just from page 1 of my iso
In post 107, stungun0404 wrote:
i tend to flounder more often when i’m town than when i’m scum.
like you’ll see me argue a lot more aggressively, and i’ll actively look like lynchbait. whereas when i’m scum i am very calm and methodical with how i respond to any votes against me, and tend not to really ever be a d1 lynch target.

now if i happen to get lynched for some reason, i think profii is the most sketchy on my wagon atm.

at least the reasons shoshin and gif are on there are alright, but the fact that he’s stayed glued on there so far looks kinda icky to me when it’s based off no reason.

VOTE: profii
In post 133, stungun0404 wrote:oh no, my name’s been bloody murdered so far by scum team specs. what am i gonna do? :cop:
In post 57, profii wrote:I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun
In post 58, GirlInFreezer wrote:what if it's profii/stungun :?:
In post 108, Shoshin wrote:Profii is Stun's partner.
i think my name is the only one that shown up in every partner spec so far. something should feel off about that.

has something similar this happened d1 when i’ve been town? i believe so. when i’m scum? no, that has not happened and probably won’t.
In post 139, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 81, GirlInFreezer wrote:if shoshin is a weak scum player they're probably town but in my experience I'm never this lucky to have town correctly reading me this early and it's usually scum pocketing.

it would be really heartwarming if she was town but that's not usually the case.
i tend to be very difficult to townread on the bat on d1 too, unless i’m scum, lol. idk why that’s the case
In post 556, stungun0404 wrote:lmao,

check my scum game —> newbie 1875 where i was lamist-y as hell as scum. i ain’t that shit this game

if you happen to be town for some reason, do note you seen me in a MULTIBALL game where i explicitly stated that my strategy was to not get many townreads because of opposing scum faction and to not get many scumreads because of the day vig. it was a balancing act, so if you saw sth there that you thought was scummy, that shit don’t apply in a game that’s straight-up town vs. scum, soz.

i genuinely think town you would already catch on this, though.
In post 564, stungun0404 wrote:sure, like scum me comes in and pushes gif of all players right here when i already have a kokichi vote on me. like what sense does that make? but keep sticking to your wacky theories
In post 651, stungun0404 wrote:I know what I play like when scum, and I would absolutely play this game JUST LIKE YOU ARE if I were scum (only notably with a lot less content as I tend to be lurkier as scum on d1). I'd make it look like I'm sorting players, but really I'm trying to gather scummy reactions for later. I'd have players focus on looking for/chasing scum partners to no avail all the while avoiding me because it looks like I'm sorting and look at me I'm posting a lot. and it concerns me like hella that this is what several of your posts read like to me. You can later further the credit of these early scum pushes as scum by using reactions to them later.

Idek know what your alignment is to be fair, but I feel like you are playing psychological games here with everyone. and my friemd has identified that you do that as scum


AND LMFAO at this tablet wanting to change scummy to a dummy.
In post 656, stungun0404 wrote:Really? Guess what? All this shit will have no meaning when I flip town other than if it comes before your flip you will look scummier.

It's a game. No need to take anything out of context. We're all out to have fun, and I won't let you personally rain on my parade here
In post 689, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 115, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 97, stungun0404 wrote:lovely,
L-2
Is that all you have to say
Looking back, I really dislike this comment regarding the gamestate if you're town. It reads as unnecessarily pushy to ask this when someone is up against pressure, and reads like you are more focused on using what i have to say against me than genuinely trying to sort me. The focus of this question feels skewed towards scum focus to me; this is a question i would ask as scum, but not as town.

And i'm literally also been your only scumread iirc. And have been this entire day phase for that matter.

What gives?
In post 736, stungun0404 wrote:@gif: lbr i'm kinda being lazy with this game in general. I am not intentionally making this game unpleasant for you at all--I have a very defined reason i was sr'ing you. But i am dropping that reason until a defined point later. I will engage you with it then. You should perfectly well understand both of my reasons here.


If it serves town well in the long run by getting rid of a distraction, i support my lynch. I don't under any other circumstances.

I'll leave you guys with some reads if i am lynched though

@profii you can see some of my townplay where i did feel that concerned here in this iso: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280&user_select[]=27383

Note i was town 1-s lynchproof in that game
In post 746, stungun0404 wrote:give me like one day and i will dedicate a lot of time to this game

until then please someone unvote me just because i do not want a repeat of lynchpin mafia where 2 votes landed on me while sleeping and i was mislynched after saying i would give reads out

i'll do it this time legitimately, but need active help this time



In post 749, stungun0404 wrote:And if nobody budges from my wagon. I am calling it -- 2 scum on there for sure just like lynchpin mafia at the same point
hmm, there were 3 players on my wagon at that point (kokichi, nicorobin, and GiF --> in that order), and all three still remain in this game, and yet supposably i am scum :shifty:
In post 753, stungun0404 wrote:It's kinda sad i feel there is nothing i can say to remove any of the 3 votes on me so i guess this is lynchpin all over again
and why say this if i am scum with one of them? i would not feel this way if so

In post 754, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 753, stungun0404 wrote:It's kinda sad i feel there is nothing i can say to remove any of the 3 votes on me so i guess this is lynchpin all over again
If i must explain

Kokichi is wrongly tunneled on me

Gif won't stop bsing his read on me. Literally zero things he has said are scummy by assessment of my play. And even promised not to vote elsewhere because what? I insulted him? I am so sick of this damn tjnneling right now that i am about to cave in and just accept this shit. I am town and i am so fucking close to roleclaiming right now

Nicorobin wouod not vote anywhere else

I am so close to being fucking done with this game rjght now. This is a sad gamestate
emphasis on this post
In post 755, stungun0404 wrote:god darnit, i want to attack people right now for idiocy.

i need some sleep
this next post should read genuine too, unless you think i faked this as well
In post 756, stungun0404 wrote:I am that roleclaim that makes it easier for scum to reach their wincon by knowing i have that role. Let me just put it to you all that way
me trying to suggest i am jk to scum so maybe they shoot me
In post 757, stungun0404 wrote:Seriously though. Check this out

Scum game, micro sized in newbie thread. Posts from Stungun: 128 from June 22nd to July 27th (36 days). Equals roughly 3.6 posts per game day
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76559&user_select[]=31546


Here, town game, micro sized. Posts from stungun: 147 now from July 28th to August 5th (8 days)
147/8 = roughly 18.38 posts per game day

I am much more interested in playing as town

This just isn't how much i post as scum. See why i am frustrated?
why alert people to this tip if i'm scum?

In post 758, stungun0404 wrote:And to further the proof, here is my alt (yt2980) in the last micro sized town game i completed without v/la circumstances. Replaced in midway btw, just like i replaced into the above scum game

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=65087&start=750

Yt: 91 posts from feb 3 2016 to feb 11 2016 = 9 days = >10 posts per game day, roughly 10.1

I cannot fake high amount of content as scum, and absolutely can back this up with several more games of evidence if need be

I helped town majorly towards winning that game btw!


Now i expect to get to gamesolving tomorrow, but i am definitely sick of how i keep getting tunneled for little attributable reason
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Post Post #2804 (isolation #683) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:54 am

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that town meta tip btw is more extensive now with heroes wanted over

i was town, and in 16 game days, i posted 609 times. 609/16 = 38 posts per game day
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76709

and a scum game completed that i replaced in for
fallout mafia --> subbed in as yt2980
large themed game, but 100 posts in 30 days = roughly over 3 posts per game day.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76181


this game: 683/46 = roughly 15 posts per gameday; but also factor in that there is less relative chattiness in this game, and the day phases have been twice as long as heroes wanted! this compares very neatly with my last town micro, and the other was a large theme too


i'm just flat-out proveably not as invested in scum games, so facing that there is a huge discrepancy here you should be able to discern what alignment i am. :P


this is proveable by every single one of my scum games in fact, because i am always lurkier in my scum games. but there are exceptions in my town game, as lynchpin qualifies as one. there is no outlier, and i am in fact intent on not continuing mafia after this game is up, so i am willing to sell out each and every game if you need. i don't like to be scum, even though i am definitely better at playing scum than i am at playing town

whereas with nico, what i see is she is not always lurky as town, she had a scum micro where she was very lurky, so that means this could similarly be a scum micro where she is lurky.
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Post Post #2806 (isolation #684) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:58 am

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i did not even read your question, lmao, hold on before you attack me :lol:
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Post Post #2807 (isolation #685) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:00 am

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In post 2802, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2797, stungun0404 wrote:nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?
Because you are behaving like people should townread you just because you say so. From your standpoint, you should give the others the benefit of the doubt given that they do not know you are town. But you want us to believe that you are town, no ifs, and or buts, just because you say so. That's why you are scummier.
but here's the thing...


you have done the exact same thing, trying to prove how your meta absolutely makes it implausible for you to be scum, but you directly have a scum game that is an outlier. whereas i do not, thus it holds universally for me, it does not for you, and you really cannot win this debate lol because the numbers in the comparisons would easily favor my end of this argument

profii, your biggest townread, has done the exact same thing too, so the fact that you are holding this argument against me is flat-out redonkulous
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Post Post #2808 (isolation #686) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:03 am

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In post 2803, NicoRobin wrote:
And that's just it. If you were town, there would be no need to defend yourself that much, because other people would clearly see that you are town. The fact that you have is saying something.
how many times have you defended yourself?

more times than you have a). stated scumreads of anyone, or b). done anything game relevant

this is utter bs, and if you are town than this is a very very poor argument. VOTE: Nico


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Post Post #2809 (isolation #687) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:04 am

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L-1
of course
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Post Post #2813 (isolation #688) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:49 am

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so i can do college work, like is it such a massive problem that i have stuff to do outside of this game?

nsg, i’d like if you can be prepared to gut it out until near deadline, because if i find the time i’d like to do a massive metadive on the 4 remaining players and look for consistencies in this game with what they find scummy compared to other town games, or scum games, and see if i can find any drastic differences. i am very analytical, as you can tell!

if there are any drastic differences/contrasts in a town game compared to now in particular with a vote, then that would be scummier than just about anything anyone would do, so there are plenty of votes to work with here and see if any players have a serious inconsistency

i’ll start with nico, so there’s no delay there, and follow that by rc/maria as that is a potential second option if necessary
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Post Post #2818 (isolation #689) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:20 am

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so, gemini and rc just won,

so i can talk about what seriously scumpinged me d1 from rc now, yay!

UNVOTE: Nico

so we all can consider this, lol
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Post Post #2819 (isolation #690) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:20 am

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gemini and rc were scum in the other game in case you did not get memo

so my partner and maria’s
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Post Post #2822 (isolation #691) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 517, GirlInFreezer wrote:I think it's very possible that he got a large confidence boost from his win in transformers and he and ircher
either got double scum
or figured they could get an easy win off of the back of 'HEY CREATURE WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM'

Like I'm not saying he's literally confirmed scum I'm saying that the townreads there are inappropriate given the gamestate
rc knew ircher and creature did not get double scum, so why did he push that as a possibility if town in pushing against creature? i still don’t understand actually how that defense would pop into the head of town!rc
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Post Post #2826 (isolation #692) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:32 am

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so, koki that is why i was pushing rc so hard d1 when you called it out as bullshit
In post 620, stungun0404 wrote:fuck idk how else to say this. rc was sketchy to us for a reason that’s absolutely unrevealable. both my partner and i agree that we cannot reveal it. find it sketchy - w/e, but the fact that we agree on it is the truth.

there i said it
that’s what this refers to.

i cannot out the scum team in the other game, obviously, or hint to it


also, since i hate scum, when i had the choice i took the town role over gemini in our options and helped her out a bit with the scum role. :P
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #693) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:34 am

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In post 2822, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 517, GirlInFreezer wrote:I think it's
very possible
that he got a large confidence boost from his win in transformers and he and ircher
either got double scum
or figured they could get an easy win off of the back of 'HEY CREATURE WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM'

Like I'm not saying he's literally confirmed scum I'm saying that the townreads there are inappropriate given the gamestate
rc knew ircher and creature did not get double scum, so why did he push that as a possibility if town in pushing against creature? i still don’t understand actually how that defense would pop into the head of town!rc
@maria:

can you get rc to answer to what his intent was/what he was thinking here please?

because he said he thinks it is “very possible” that ircher and creature got double scum, and of course i found that statement to be summy
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Post Post #2829 (isolation #694) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:36 am

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In post 2824, MariaR wrote:He said that to spew gif town in the other game btw.
oh, that’s fair enough, but i want to hear the opinions of others on this matter just to ensure we lynch correctly :P
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Post Post #2831 (isolation #695) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:47 am

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#in this gamenot in this game
1NicoRobin
the worst
2MariaR
RadiantCowbells
GuyInFreezer
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Gamma Emerald
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Shoshin
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Ircher



NicoRobin —> vt?; the worst —>
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maria —> claimed vanilla townie; rc —>
mafia informed goon

profii —> claimed vanilla townie; flavor leaf —>
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Kokichi Oma —> claimed vanilla townie; gamma emerald —>
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Shoshin —>
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; Irrelephant —>
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northsidegal —>
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?; mutantdevle —>
town odd-night roleblocker

stungun0404 —> claimed vanilla townie; geminitwin12 —>
mafia motion detector

since i chose first, it makes more sense for me to pick a town role since i hate scum than just a plain mafia goon, lol, if the motion detector was an option for me :P
Aronis —>
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Creature —>
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update of confirmed flips and claims that have not been refuted or have been claimed, so let us see if anyone can deduce anything from this abundance of info we have!


for some reason, i thought it would be more likely for koki to choose scum over gamma, and rc over guyinfreezer originally, so i want to know what rc’s strategy was with gif in the scum game
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Post Post #2832 (isolation #696) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:53 am

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if you look at the 2 scum in the other game, and assume for a sec that maria and i are town

then scum slots were given to the two members deemed earlier less likely to take them, at least from what i have seen.

guyinfreezer took it over rc, and gemini took it over me.

why wouldn’t profii take it over fl? or nico over tw?
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Post Post #2838 (isolation #697) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:33 pm

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now that i am thinking,

i really really like it actually that maria engaged her partner a lot in this game, it makes it look likelier she is town if i am town since we both handled the opposite game this way. like there was between rc and maria’s game, there was similarly a huge discrepancy between gemini talking about anything i said in her game (1 time) vs. me using gemini several times.

i didn’t give any content for gemini to use for the scum game, except 1 post with reads signed by my name that i just randomly put together lol, and of course helping review some posts. irrelephant tried to ask for more out of me, but i never gave details on my reads, but tbf i was more focused on my play in this game and college work — but would have helped gemini if absolutely necessary there! :D

thus, this might be important if we are considered the other game as well and trying to hunt scum in it! let us look at fl’s reads in that game to see if profii is mentioned very often

@maria/rc, i apologize for my mistake, let us just rejoice in the fact that nothing came back to haunt us at all and that no one seriously caught onto it :)
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Post Post #2839 (isolation #698) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:46 pm

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hmm, flavor leaf did refer to what he talked with profii about in post 443 in the other game, post 1577, 1672 and 1676 talk more about what profii has seen, 2037 — more effort from fl talking about profii


and as town, flavor leaf made this comment in 770: “I’ll playthe WIFOM further, would I have picked scum again, over my buddy Profii, who also can play as scum, and play the same card as I did in Team Mafia?”

so yippee, all in all i got 5 matches and a few other similar posts containing profii in them in the other game. let’s compare that to flavor in this game, i will do that in the next post, but off memory i only remember fl’s readslist for some reason.




on a sidenote, rn i am pretty darn sure nico then profii lynches seals the game, and in fact encourage nsg to jailkeep profii if she can

they both, together, have pushed at me with votes contradicting what they find scummy clearly because they have defended themselves with such evidence, or upheld it in other regards.

like, can you get any scummier than that? i am done even thinking about going elsewhere - because it is crystal clear right now these two are scum
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Post Post #2840 (isolation #699) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:57 pm

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In post 1522, profii wrote:Stun why does you absolute town read on NSG trump your partners
Yet Kokis partner scum reads me over him therefore Koki should vote me?
I don’t really care for the answer - just highlighting things that make your tunnel look absolutely ridiculous after my town flip



Nico does make sense as potential scum - I said in my PT whoever votes NSG is probably bussing because imo I put forward the less likely theory and wanted to use it as bait - the only reason Nico came up with is it’s the simplest theory and no other real reasons why


My only concern is following on from 1513 - I said it because it was obvious, but if I’m wrong none of the last paragraph applies and I’ve created a massive distraction for scum to exploit - and that absolutely does not mean the JK should clear anything up - whilst they remain under the radar, I say keep it that way

Imo the Nico scum flip incriminates NSG massively

The Nico town flip probably points us towards Koki
i just found this day 1 gem, lolol

the one scum flip that profii prepares for incriminating someone massively is nico, and boy does he misfire here.

like, why would nsg have been the massively incriminated player?
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Post Post #2841 (isolation #700) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:58 pm

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reads list where best fl gives is shoshin or maria could be scum; he thinks i am tunnel town. why, then, is profii targeting me today, especially when profii had me as his second biggest townread after only the obvtown nsg earlier today? makes no sense from a town perspective to flip on me like this without some serious evidence — which he does not even have and he has been stretching to make any sort of point.

In post 1680, profii wrote:
In post 1672, stungun0404 wrote:profii, bad news, gemini still finds you to be scummy after i recalled what i remembered changing my stance on you over.

good news, i’m not voting you yet. i’ll allow you to answer a question first!

say you had the ability to give a power role (let’s just go with an ability to jailkeep for convenience) right now to one of two players — maria or kokichi — which one are you picking and why?
Great - makes no odds to me but that will help
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no end.

And - can you clarify? Are you saying you want me to put Koki or Maria in Jail or are you saying if I could elect one of those 2 to be a JK?
first mention of flavor leaf has nothing to do with this game!


says he spoke with fl about whether he was being dense here. meh
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Post Post #2842 (isolation #701) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:03 pm

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so, in all, there have been zero thought processes brought in this thread from fl to give to profii in this game

there were multiple in the opposite game going the other way

therefore, it is reasonable to assume if fl!town —> profii!scum given relative engagement levels

and VOTE: Nico

because you can’t get scummier than seriously contradicting what you uphold your vote with
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Post Post #2843 (isolation #702) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:06 pm

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nico has notably dodged probably at least 4 prompts of me asking her anything about tw’s take on this game. i wonder why :cool: :giggle:
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Post Post #2844 (isolation #703) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:08 pm

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oh, another thing:

rc chose to tactically no kiññ in the other game

do you think rc/maria no kills in this game too?

it is hard to see that in two games the more i think about it.
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Post Post #2845 (isolation #704) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:08 pm

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no kill
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Post Post #2847 (isolation #705) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:12 pm

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nice, got some wallposts in my pt from gemini on every player except kokichi! i take that to mean she doesn't really suspect koki that much, but then again the focus of our chat has been on the other 3 players being scummy more so than koki at any particular time.

i'll paraphrase to share some of her thoughts with you guys:

"the majority of nico's iso is just them defending themselves, no real sorting, no genuine reasons as to why they think that you (stun) are scum, only omgus for pressuring nico. if they are town, they are playing a bad game and they are not doing a well enough job to actually sort the stinking game. very dramatic."

first instinct with profii is to ask how he feels about now, and that we know he was flat-out wrong with , then she said if koki and profii are scum together then in profii would have had to out what koki's scum move would have been, which obviously would have been a bad move at the time, and so my theory there did not hold when i originally proposed it, and now koki/profii is very implausible.

she said from profii is utter bs because rc defended gemini their entire game together, and they both were obviously the scum team in the opposite game --> really good point there because i did oversee that defense partly, of course!


then a lot to say about maria: " was a bad post -- and i (stun) agree with this -- because it reads as overly dramatic because actual scum would never throw a game like that." another good point imo!
she does not like either. because if it is true "why make it super obvious in a game w/ one pr only that's jk, a game where no doc exists to save her? gemini would like to suppose maria would keep that to herself and just kill nsg though if she was scum, but recognizes that is also wifom!"

she agrees with profii and maria not being plausible, because of maria's persistent push on profii.

gemini says " from maria is a really good point!"

" is a really good AtE if maria is scum."

In post 2259, MariaR wrote:
In post 2257, NicoRobin wrote:Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again. I am playing with mastina. mastina is cool. At least she does her homework the way it should be done.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME. You don't get to come in here and say "does there homework" when you're not even playing the god dam game.
from gemini: "A MOOD, i concur with this."

if maria is scum in her opinion, she has done a great job blending in, but recognizes that is not outside her scum range. if she is scum, her AtE's have made it seem like she cares so much about these misslynches while letting town just run itself down.
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Post Post #2848 (isolation #706) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:14 pm

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nvm, got some koki stuff now, hold on!
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Post Post #2851 (isolation #707) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:21 pm

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gemini says yes, profii and nico seem scummiest to her, but she will be annoyed (and so will i) if it is indeed sth like koki and maria.

Only thing maybe scummy from koki’s slot is this:
In post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 39, Shoshin wrote:Creature's probably town. And if he's not, that'll be pretty clear later.
Pretty much this.
In post 392, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 297, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: creature
Creature doesn't post this much this early as scum, so hes likely town. Even if he isnt he will be easy to find out if hes scum
In post 509, Kokichi Oma wrote:I get both of your points. I'm taking creature to null. I think RC is saying nothing Creature has done is out of his scum range as proven there regardless of multiball
to transitioning to
In post 1659, Kokichi Oma wrote:I dunno. You have been scum with me before.

By the way VOTE: creature
Was it their failure to show their town colors to sort them? or did he take an easy miss lynch here?
In post 1955, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1937, Shoshin wrote:Koki, you're on board with lynching Profii? Do you agree with me on NSG?
Her recent posts have been bad. I think I prefer creature though
then goes to
In post 1957, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: pro

We need to avoid a nl
then

is just them rallying votes on creature.
In post 2398, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yes. Nico and prof have the likely chance of flipping scum. But we need NSG here to get something done.
This is either like..100% positive on who scum is or we're just both off base. Would scum!Koki ever bus a partner that hard?

So, Koki is like default [need to clarify this next part because it seemed like she went for the wrong word - but “scum”] tbh. I don't have anything strong on them.
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Post Post #2852 (isolation #708) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:23 pm

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oh, she meant koki is least likely to be scum, there is not much scumpinging her there
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Post Post #2855 (isolation #709) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:09 pm

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In post 2749, profii wrote:
In post 2746, stungun0404 wrote:besides, profii: nico does not tend to distance based off meta, and you would have distanced d2 when you voted nico.

in fact, what has changed since that vote to make you so resistant to that lynchwagon?
Read my posts I’m not typing it out for a third time
In post 2736, profii wrote:
In post 2730, Kokichi Oma wrote:So why is stun scum, prof?
I’m town- I was the identified mislynch and got pushed - scum amongst us realised it ain’t happening and have moved onto Nico

There has to be scum in the push because we were so close to voting me and Nico didn’t hammer which is why I wanted you on me as Vote 3 earlier

Also - we know NSG town, so we know that the people on nico right now are, you/Maria/Stun - therefore as you 3 have pushed me and Nico, plus NSG has stayed out the way that all the wagons are scum driving and I can say that with confidence


We have a 66% chance in hitting scum within you 3 - the scum tell from Stun is he keeps verging into VI territory by claiming not to understand things - this post is quite simple and easy to understand if you are open minded enough to consider the possibility I am town so it is quite a concern

Also as I point out he phrased his answer to my earlier question in such a way that indicates he does not really concern himself with tomorrow as he knows the game can conclude today - he actually avoided this possibility completely which again is scummy - town are concerned with this possibility as town must conduct 2 successful scum lynches to win

Further - as I just pointed out, in day 1 Stun was hugely concerned with a single vote on him on day 1 - now he is not concerned that 2 votes are on him which means 2x scum could rush and potentially win via successful night kil - this is town lose con but not a problem to stun, therefore not his lose con
never responded to this, but this is just an awfully scummy post filled with reaching to find someone scummy. why, you say?

scum can easily say “i’m town, and i’m the identified mislynch” to try to manipulate town to back off their wagon.

then you automatically assume everyone on your lynchwagon was scum and not town that has been misguided under every universal case here — assuming by default nico is town, and that scum is automatically moving over to that lynchwagon, when in fact town so far have found you mightily suspicious, with all three town having voted you or found you seriously scummy at some point (creature sheeped me on you FTR).

you are trying to clear your scum partner, because town is not that trusting with a hammer vote — and especially not with nico. see errantparabola in american president’s mafia, who replaced in for nsg, and you will see a fine example of scum testing if a certain player hammers them and thus confirming them as town from their perspective. town never messes around with that BS. if they do, they are playing stupid. you just said nico didn’t hammer, koki never voted you; so you are just clearing nico anyways. what sense does that make? none

did koki ever join your wagon today? i do not recall it. it was just maria and i. nsg just seems reluctant to join a wagon before facing all the proper evidence — so again you are just trying to emphasize that “hey i am so town, don’t ever lynch me, these people on me are scum, get them instead!” this is literally how 2/3 of your thoughts in the thread this game have read to me, like you are pushing the blame to literally everyone that is not conftown, and not nico — but only as of this day phase have you been this way officially with nico out of nowhere.

66 percent chance does not seem natural to conclude, because you completely deny that nico can ever be scum here. no flipped town nor nsg has even came close to that stance, so what makes you the supposed townplayer that is an exception? vi-ness is a scum tell, eh? what about not understanding what people are getting at is scummy? that is a
severe
stretch; you are discounting everything i say to say i am scum that is faking that i do not understand where you are coming from with some logic. on what planet does that make sense as a ploy? again, you emphasize your towniness with “you have to be open minded to see i am town here”, as if you are openly suggesting anyway you are scummy; so open mind is your appeal.

of course i’m not concerned with tomorrow. i am primarily concerned with a scumlynch today. that is what town focuses on, whereas scum distracts them by looking ahead to future days or mechanics that can distract town. in other words, the fact that you are putting such emphasis in looking ahead being important is not towny, and is scum trying to distract. of course town must conduct 2 scum lynches, but here is the thing: we first and foremost worry about one scumlynch at a time. fortunately, you and nico are obvscum, but still! town are not concerned with distracting themselves with too many possibilities of future day phases, and do not want to distract themselves off a scumlynch by looking ahead to tomorrow. for you to use that to uphokd your scumread is reaching pretty badly.

um, except i do have concern, so that is another misrep. keep it going!

in fact, thank you, you just pointed out sth to me that i did not even realize


if maria and koki were scum, i would be hammered by now!

but they are not, thus nico and maria, or nico and profii 100 percent guaranteed!
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Post Post #2857 (isolation #710) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:13 pm

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profii and nico are the scum team like 99.8% imo

you are just the backup option if things go wrong there

either way, nico 100 percent scum. we are lynching there, not profii.
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #711) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:15 pm

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likelihood map fmpov
profii and nico 99.8%
maria and nico .2%

any other option is super miniscule fmpov
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Post Post #2860 (isolation #712) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:15 pm

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In post 2858, MariaR wrote:Would you believe me if I said I have paranoia of scum you.
how so?
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Post Post #2861 (isolation #713) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:17 pm

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maria, you know my alt yt and my scumplay as well as anyone. you of all players should definitely not have paranoia rn, and it’s lowkey giving me a gut feeling you may be scum with nico like i had left open as an option
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Post Post #2865 (isolation #714) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:24 pm

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my town reactions are worse than my scum reactions though in general. if you look at any scum reactions i make, they are usually smooth. as town, i am way more defensive in general. it’s much different on a tonal level.

koki, you remember playing with scum!me right, in fallout mafia? you remember that even though you voted me, i was never really that defensive, correct? :P

maria, there is also transformers where i was really never defensive

but i was super defensive in my most recent town game at times — heroes wanted. i take on a different tone in scum and town games.
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Post Post #2867 (isolation #715) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:27 pm

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how is profii and stungun even conceivable given the precise way i have pushed on him before and he has pushed on me? we have been going at each other’s throats since 300 posts or so into d1. that should be completely out of the quesion.

there is less interaction between you and nico in totality that i can gauge, so fmpov, you make sense as a backup option if profii flips town — which tbf i really do not think will happen, but i want to minimize risk by going for the certain scumflip :-/

nsg unfortunately too will probs not settle on profii :P
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Post Post #2868 (isolation #716) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:32 pm

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from gemini

“does maria realize you would be doing way too much (in a good way) if you were scum here”

further,
“calling bs on pro/stun when you (stun) have been pushing all game for prof’s lynch. if you were scum together, you’d be trying to get your scumpartner killed this entire game. no just no to that.”
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Post Post #2870 (isolation #717) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:33 pm

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i’ll go to profii if nsg settles there
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Post Post #2873 (isolation #718) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:35 pm

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In post 2871, MariaR wrote:
In post 2868, stungun0404 wrote:from gemini

“does maria realize you would be doing way too much (in a good way) if you were scum here”

further,
“calling bs on pro/stun when you (stun) have been pushing all game for prof’s lynch. if you were scum together, you’d be trying to get your scumpartner killed this entire game. no just no to that.”
BITCH IF YOU WERE LEGIT TRYING TO GET PRO LYNCHED LIKE WE WERE HE'D HAVE DIED D2 OR 3 DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT STUN
why are you screaming at me?

look at the shit i posted d2 and how aggressively i tunneled him end of d1,and how i came out guns a blazing at him earlier today. how am i scum with profii?
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Post Post #2875 (isolation #719) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:36 pm

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i’ve pushed at him aggressively all three day phases. he has pushed back at me all three day phases. if we were scum theatre, it is a good bet one of us would be lynched by now
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Post Post #2878 (isolation #720) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:40 pm

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In post 1209, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1201, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun

still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn
YOU ADMIT I AM TOWN AND YET YOU VOTE ME.

this is scummy af
In post 1284, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1283, profii wrote:The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote
EXCEPT THE SAME THING WOULD APPLY TO YOUR WAGON.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU THROUGH

profii is the only player i have scream posted at, if i call it that, to emphasize

and also the only player who i felt has misrepped me probably 500 times over

but like, at the back of my mind i cannot be certain maria is not deepwolfing, so i am not making the foolish mistake without nsg of doing what went down in the other game and allowing a potential nico and maria team to win
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Post Post #2881 (isolation #721) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:45 pm

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maria, gemini has a really good point with this! you should look at all the mod’s vote counts so far in this game, profii and i have voted each other way too many times to be scum together
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Post Post #2883 (isolation #722) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:47 pm

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does not mean you should just up and discount it my friend

sure i could say everything every player does is wifom

looking at the motives of the votes might clue you in if town

you are really pinging me suddenly rn though
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Post Post #2887 (isolation #723) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:51 pm

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In post 2885, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2875, stungun0404 wrote:i’ve pushed at him aggressively all three day phases. he has pushed back at me all three day phases. if we were scum theatre, it is a good bet one of us would be lynched by now
I mean this is kinda just bad logic. Because it's plausible for partners to argue if they can keep it up.
i have never argued with a scum partner of mine though, fun fact!
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #724) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:55 pm

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In post 2888, MariaR wrote:and we're suppose to know this how?
Also I don't really care for your reasoning stun. I've had pro as scum since d1 and I want him dead if I lose to scum pro I'd be pissed. If you wanna sr me for that go for it but guess what happens? That's right NL
i have 4 scum games on here you guys are free to meta

and 3 others elsewhere i will freely link if asked

never once have i argued with a scum partner
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Post Post #2892 (isolation #725) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:55 pm

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In post 2888, MariaR wrote:and we're suppose to know this how?
Also I don't really care for your reasoning stun. I've had pro as scum since d1 and I want him dead if I lose to scum pro I'd be pissed. If you wanna sr me for that go for it but guess what happens? That's right NL
here is the problem.

it is not necessarily me that has the issue.

how are we getting nsg to hammer this wagon?
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Post Post #2898 (isolation #726) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:59 pm

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i will vote profii here.

but if i have eliminated all possible scum teams to {profii, nico} and {maria, nico}, do you at least understand why i am going for nico first and not profii? even though i heavily favor profii!scum?

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Post Post #2901 (isolation #727) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:02 pm

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^that’s a spicy error, i like how the choice of wording ended up lol!


if nico does not hammer, then maria conftown fmpov
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Post Post #2905 (isolation #728) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:06 pm

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In post 2903, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2901, stungun0404 wrote:if nico does not hammer, then maria conftown fmpov
explain?
eh, conftown was the wrong choice of wording - i realized it after i submitted it, i meant pretty much locktown, was hardly thinking about the term i used

and i just thought of sth that might suggest otherwise, we will see
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Post Post #2906 (isolation #729) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:07 pm

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but yeah, maria and profii do not make sense together
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Post Post #2910 (isolation #730) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:12 pm

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i’ll probably reach 1000 posts by the time this game is finished — don’t know if that is a testament to this game running too long or me posting too many times but probably a combo of both!

and are two more posts that would not make sense with profii and stun scum, because first was me pushing profii when aronis was already considered a serious lynchwagon, but dammit i could not get support there at the time!

the second is me going guns-a-blazing at him right at the start of d2.

i have to credit him for distracting me off his lynchwagon, because that is what he has done multiple times very well
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Post Post #2916 (isolation #731) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:17 pm

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ok, jail me :)

but i swear if there is no kill and i am mislynched because of it i will be pissed at nico
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Post Post #2919 (isolation #732) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:25 pm

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actually, an inadvertent no kill from nico would not be all that surprising given her lurking tendency as either alignment :roll:

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Post Post #2936 (isolation #733) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:54 am

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profii thinks rc and i were s vs. s

that is the least practical pair even plausible :lol:

town does not think that when we went after each other’s throat d1 so hard like we did, and rc threatened to blacklist me
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Post Post #2937 (isolation #734) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:11 am

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i’m just gonna go ahead and say it

profii and nico scum 100 percent of the time

lol @ profii trying to paint me as scummy and continuing to fail miserably, because i can offer a counter to every point he is making, like it is that bad in how he is misrepping me
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #735) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:23 am

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In post 2924, profii wrote:Stuns obv scum and Maria has put her self in a position where she can sit on me practically without being questioned

You seem to listen a little bit more and start to consider either possibilities
and that is exactly why you are gunning for me right now

you paint it as though i want listen to you therefore i am scum, but that is falsem

i won’t listen to you because i am quite confident you are scum — there is a key difference there
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Post Post #2939 (isolation #736) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:49 am

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In post 2921, profii wrote:
I’m not going to read the last pages but I did see stun fill in the table


That says enough that he is trying to push FLs town flip as me scum

So I’ll still say a no lynch is a best option here seeing as the town player amongst you 3 has apparently lost it
this is a terrible misrep and not a towny thing to do in mylo

i never once labelled you scum because of the table

but it’s pretty damn impractical you think rc/maria and gemini/i got double scum. what are the odds?
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #737) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:50 am

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you are making things up when you say i am using fl’s flip against you

town does not make arguments like that up in mylo, they are more careful than that if they are a respectable player

and you are a respectable player, so...
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Post Post #2941 (isolation #738) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:35 am

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here’s the deal,

i will sheep nsg, even if it is to hammer myself, because if that is the case i am sick of townfending myself against everyone anyway when i am town
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Post Post #2945 (isolation #739) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:19 am

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In post 2944, profii wrote:I don’t think ultimatum is the right word but that was very LAMIST
here’s the thing, scum would be the ones to call that LAMIST-y in mylo to uphold their scumread

town did this in another game i played, the only other time i have seen this happen, and why would scum give up that? see: creature even, now that i think about it

i did it to teacher in newbie 1875 as scum when he did this same thing as town

whereas truly it is much more likely town is the first to make a statement like this

proof this happened:
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post 552, there were conftowns invisibility and klick through astute use of jk. i was scum. teacher was town. this was what he said in his post: “So yesterday I thought that Nexus was comparatively twice as scummy as Stun. Now, I think its like 70/30 Stun. But I am definitely not sure. And whoever is scum is going to kill whoever of Invis and Klick they think is less likely to mislynch. So I think Invis and Klick have to discuss this now, and decide on their next two lynches together.
I will answer any questions they have and sheep them, including onto myself.
At bottom, with two shots, they have a statistical 83% chance of winning, which is good enough by me. Good luck, conf!towns.”

and i called things like that out as lamist-y, so that is a scum move right there to uphold your vote.

also, kokichi, who is in this game, decided to sheep conftown kaede in fallout mafia because he could not produce the best reads.

therefore, what is antitown, and what is lamist-y about it?
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Post Post #2946 (isolation #740) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:20 am

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*give up like that

scum is not just going to offer to hammer themselves because they are sheeping someone else, that is just nonsensical
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Post Post #2947 (isolation #741) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:23 am

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it’s called being cooperative with what the conftown player desires. scum desire to be uncooperative with such. therefore, why risk myself like that if i am scum when of course i would have to follow up with a vote of my own or someone will find me suspicious and hammer me?
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Post Post #2949 (isolation #742) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:34 am

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In post 2948, profii wrote:No it’s not - giving scum the win on a platter is just ridiculous don’t pretend it’s anything else
yeah, but that does not include the fact that i am over this game and just want it to be over, and therefore i am willing to take an L early if my lynch seems inevitable

and plus, you are saying this in such a manner that you are sure the kill will go through, and nsg will not stop it. what confidence have you there?
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Post Post #2950 (isolation #743) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:36 am

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from gemini to profii,

what evidence do you have for conftowning nico?
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Post Post #2951 (isolation #744) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:37 am

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specifically what reasons that you can present to us all
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Post Post #2952 (isolation #745) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:44 am

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i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else
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Post Post #2955 (isolation #746) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:38 am

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i think there were 2 scum on aronis’s lynchwagon because he was not exactly that scummy to me.

aronis voters: nico, koki, shoshin (she wanted just a claim though), profii, stungun

obviously koki-stun there would be a theoretical possibility if you posit i am scum. but what i see is nico-profii, blatantly hanging there, especially since i at least townfended aronis hard before i had to hammer in basically what was a last minute panic, there was an hour and a half left in the day phase

both profii and nico pushed aronis as though he was scummy. so did koki tbf, but his push felt more genuine. nico responded to aronis simply labelling her as scummy because of her active lurking and she got super defensive in response, going as far as to vote him.

profii was saving himself with any lynchwagon that might transpire.

where is that scumminess in how either koki or myself hopped onto that wagon? nonexistent. therefore, if you take a keen eye to the d1 wagon of aronis, you will notice which pair seems scummier.

maria did not join aronis wagon, neither did creature, who both stayed on profii even as i moved over. nsg, who is conftown now, also did not vote aronis. so what does that tell me? there was very likely 2 scum on that wagon provided he was not... that scummy imo.

creature was scummier than aronis by a longshot fmpov, playing to several things he had done in his scum meta before.

i think there was likely not two scum on the wagon, due to him even claiming scum, but it is not infeasible.

on his wagon: profii (who creature supposedly townread like he townread myself), stungun, koki, maria, creature

unfortunately not a lot can be derived from the composition of that wagon, and i don’t remember many of the reasons, but maria’s probably holds up the best outside of mine i guess as theoretically she could have been town that took creature’s scumclaim for real.

and nico left her damned vote on nsg the entire day phase! why? to what town motive? even after creature said he was not JK? lurkiness does not let you get away with this when the day phase dragged out as long as it did. you did not even unvote. same with my wagon as it piled up d1, you lingered for 8 days over trivial reasons until you settled on aronis who had mislynch potential with scum pushing such a wagon.
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Post Post #2956 (isolation #747) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:45 am

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In post 2954, profii wrote:
In post 2952, stungun0404 wrote:i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else
You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point
not a stupid stipulation, because it requires you to show evidence you guys are not partners, as in there must be other reasons to support nico!town so we can see it too

because if you cannot communicate it outwards with us uninformed on your alignment except from through our intuition, you will never win the battle of nico!=town.

also, let’s say if you are town: from your point of view, what eliminates nico from being scum that’s pocketed you from the get-go if she sensed you might be a popular mislynch option later among town voters, who is partners with... say maria for simplicity, and knows she cannot go back on you or else nsg would figure out the scum team is maria and nico and instead nsg has to make that hammer?

when with this strategy, koki and maria both could be seen as scum team from the point of view of nsg if she is off the mark.
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Post Post #2957 (isolation #748) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:49 am

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In post 2954, profii wrote:
In post 2952, stungun0404 wrote:i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else
You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point
if anything, deflection to questions that require you to seriously prove someone’s alignment is not going to help town wincon right now, and is therefore antitown —> thanks to gemini for helping me think of this!
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Post Post #2960 (isolation #749) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:52 am

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what. you want me to search every post you have made? i have done enough deep diving. it only benefits nsg and company if you provide it right here, right now

this lack of urgency to prove someone’s alignment again because i don’t want to loom through my own posts (which you have done so many times in this game to me) is antitown, because you make town waste unreasonable time on it by doing so.
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Post Post #2961 (isolation #750) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:53 am

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”i don’t want to look thru my own posts”

relating from your perspective there
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #751) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:55 am

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In post 2959, profii wrote:And that is more the point that makes you scummy - which is where I will concentrate my effort, rather than try and convince 2 scum players not to vote a townie - that’s obviously a waste of time
lol,

you are trying to convince nsg right now. that should motivate you if you were town. :lol:
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Post Post #2963 (isolation #752) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 2958, profii wrote:I’ve already said why I think nico is town

For someone who presents as very in depth and thorough
you miss quite a bit when it suits yiu
you do this every time you push me, i can only remember so much anyway.

i don’t get if you are town why you continue to uphold your vote on me and push against me with things that match what you have done in your own gameplay, using that as the basis of your own push. how does town ever do that?
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Post Post #2966 (isolation #753) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:02 am

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i mean, if you are town this game, that’s like town literally tripping over their own feet with logic that they are using to support their feet so that they don’t trip. on what planet does using logic like that make sense? not on this one, surely
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Post Post #2967 (isolation #754) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:04 am

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what separates us is i have not used my vote for elements of the game which i have done myself. sure, i might mistakenly attribute things as scummy at times, but i am not going to vote and continually uphold my vote with logic that is the same as what i am doing with my gameplay. actions matter more than words, and scummy actions are irreversible
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Post Post #2968 (isolation #755) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:11 pm

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i want to change the wagon tide back to nico just because i think it would be simpler for nsg to agree to a lynch there. i’m afraid if we go for profii, nsg votes me, and i of course hammer myself following through with what i said. whereas if we go for nico, nsg hammers that quicker than she hammers profii because she found nico scummy anyway. i just do not know with this mechanical defense of profii if she will choose my lynchwagon over profii’s
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #756) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:05 pm

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VOTE: Nicorobin
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Post Post #2976 (isolation #757) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:21 pm

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if nico flips scumand i am nk’d i’m calling it

go for profii first, then maria

don’t go after koki’s lynch.

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Post Post #2979 (isolation #758) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:31 pm

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nico’s not flipping town though imo, so i would not worry

her votes say it all
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #759) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:38 pm

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if this turns out to be scum politicking that performs the nk after nico townflip to win, idk if i am going to respect that. not that it matters, but it’s quite unfair to have someone promise to do sth if that is the case here :P

like i can understand why you would want to do it to win the game, but in that specific scenario i do not like the gambit at all
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Post Post #2989 (isolation #760) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:41 pm

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it does not make sense fmpov for nico to flip town,

but i just had to get that point across in case maria knows more than we have
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Post Post #2995 (isolation #761) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:45 pm

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finally this day phase will come to a close! who else is relieved beyond words? :D
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Post Post #2998 (isolation #762) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:46 pm

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so, nico what are you flipping?

might as well ask as we wait on the mod!
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Post Post #3001 (isolation #763) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:56 pm

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i’m gonna have a big “you’ve gotta be kidding me” wake up call if nico actually flips town
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #764) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:27 am

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shocker!

since everyone submitted quick messages for daystart including nsg and profii, there is no delaying the inevitable: profii is scum. nsg promised to jail profii after scumflip of nico, and with there being no kill that automatically incriminates him, as if he was not incriminated enough. if nsg submitted early message, she would have submitted her target for sure, and would have submitted as she said.

VOTE: Profii
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Post Post #3010 (isolation #765) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:30 am

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got it @mod

far and away, profii is scummier than anyone remaining for the chainsaw defenses of nico that he was persistent with

will requote them in case i need to sway nsg
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Post Post #3011 (isolation #766) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:52 am

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In post 692, profii wrote:
In post 681, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin because she's scum
Nah

If NicoRobins scum style is lurking I don’t think she chooses the scum PM
that’s one chainsaw defense! and this was after the first i think against nico the entire game iirc. i just said she’s scum, and he defends her with nico’s meta, and further with sth contrary to what the expectations were: “she lurks as scum”. given that view of her gameplay from profii’s angle, shouldn’t she have been scummy and not conftown like he was treating her?
In post 1121, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1120, profii wrote:only because I’ve played her before and know her Town game is more active than this
lol
I should have caveated that with if we really really have to lynch between you and nico, you were marginally more active than this but I am really not advocating for a policy lynch in this game. Creature or Gif are best followed by Aronis[/quote]
why wasn’t profii advocating for policy lynch particularly in this game as he said? because nico was primary policy lynch option, and nico is his partner
In post 1688, profii wrote:Nicos partner just flipped town
intent: trying to clear scum partner thru this? perhaps!
In post 2310, profii wrote:Nico and NSG - lock town

Maria / Stun / Koki - 2 of 3 scum

Seeing as Stun was lining up Koki as a scum read I’m tempted to say vote there and JK Stun
let’s not forget locktown read of nico
In post 2325, profii wrote:
In post 2317, stungun0404 wrote: it’s super unsettling that your very first super super townread of the game is on the player with by far the least amount amounts among the six players remaining and with very little game relevant content.
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you've totally ignored Nico's point, which I reiterated - Nico is purposely playing to meta to gain trust.

why ruin that for _this_ game

if you can answer that, I grant you a valid scum read on Nico, until then, you are twisting it to suit your agenda
hack at the hacker with that chainsaw defense even more here! note he is paying hyper attention to my attention to
nico’s point
, not his own, even though he reiterated and is reusing it, he still has to fire at me with nico’s point. i have not seen him do something like that with any other player in this game off memory, which looks bad given she scumflipped
In post 2779, profii wrote:
In post 2753, stungun0404 wrote:profii, you have been so all over the place this game

and yet, on the whole, oddly consistent with nico of all players....

you expect me to think this is genuine?
Well Nico has been fairly consistent no?
defends her play, instead of self-reflecting/arguing about his own
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In post 2778, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nico is scum, I'm like 95% sure now
Why!!!!!!
seems overly dramatic
In post 2930, profii wrote:Maria / Stun 90%
You / Stun 9%
You / Maria 1%

Anything else 0%

If I’m scum I hammer Nico
If Nico scum she hammers me rn

NSG no cc so golden
sticks up for nico again here. what is all that defendable about the content she has put out?


so i’m practically at 100% profii!scum right now
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Post Post #3012 (isolation #767) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:53 am

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*after the first vote
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Post Post #3013 (isolation #768) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:53 am

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oh wait actually, koki and maria can hammer with me, that’s awesome!

we don’t have to wait guys :D
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Post Post #3014 (isolation #769) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:57 am

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i also do not think if only one of koki and maria is town and the other is scum, one of them misreads the other with a locktown read on them when they are both pretty invested overall in the game
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #770) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:21 am

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In post 3019, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why are you even arguing with confirmed scum
because this particular confscum player is good at maneuvering his way out of things, but the fact he went straight for the no lynch shows he does not have that fight in him, so i will disregard doing so. he is good at distracting players off his lynchwagon :P
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Post Post #3024 (isolation #771) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:03 am

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i mean, nsg said she’d target you. why wouldn’t she follow through with it, and instead choose no option? seems unlikely. that’d be game throwing at this point
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Post Post #3025 (isolation #772) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:04 am

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if i metadive you, which i don’t feel like right now tbch because i have hw to get done tonight, i would have to account for micro games just like with nico because obviously the scumread i got from that sample held up there.

i guess i can unvote you though UNVOTE: Profii
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Post Post #3029 (isolation #773) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:38 am

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actually, profii might be on to something, even though this would take a ridiculous amount of unnecessary time up which i do not approve of personally

if we no lynch with him in the game, we can get a cop clear eventually if nsg is ever shot and she maybe alternates between maria and profii like continually

this guarantees scum has no way out if planned right

thing is this could outright be a distraction from prof, or it could be sth he thought of to get a cop clear.

i am considering this...

cuz like maria and profii are period the only options for nico partner fmpov, even though maria is virtually a nonexistent one in my mind
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Post Post #3030 (isolation #774) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:39 am

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but it may just be delaying the inevitable too :-/

i mean, scum would still have the choice of choosing not to do anything, right?
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Post Post #3032 (isolation #775) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:43 am

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that is true

i did not consider that

never mind that strategy, that is pro-scum for sure.

right back where i started, profii lynch > no lynch. that reminds me he also favored no lynch over nico yesterday iirc.
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Post Post #3036 (isolation #776) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:45 am

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VOTE: Profii

I take that as surrendering at this stage in the game
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Post Post #3040 (isolation #777) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:47 am

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got it, if it applies!
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Post Post #3043 (isolation #778) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:49 am

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something is giving me strange vibes here

why is it always after something you say prof this feeling happens?
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Post Post #3046 (isolation #779) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:54 am

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fmpov if prof ever was to flip town

equals maria —> scum without any shadow of a doubt in my mind

there are quite a few anti associatives between koki and nico, and koki has a relatively town iso anyways
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #780) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:56 am

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idk how to

do you scumread maria? like that’s the only other possible option, and it seems so remote to me it’s absurd
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Post Post #3050 (isolation #781) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:00 am

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oh

i didn’t even realize you were hammered profii, but it just suddenly clicked to me

i guess i can believe you now you are hammered

which means scum is maria
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #782) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:01 am

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if you indeed flip town
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #783) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:02 am

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i hope you are trolling
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Post Post #3055 (isolation #784) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:11 am

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ugh, koki will need you to reeval maria with me if this flips town like prof is claiming he will :?
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Post Post #3058 (isolation #785) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:16 am

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i mean, i really don’t think koki is scum, to the point of where i feel secure not looking there

but i mean, it does not hurt if you indeed townflip.

maria’s turn directly off and away of nico to heavily encourage profii lynch or else you are “getting no lynch stun” multiple times needs to be considered by koki first and foremost when nico was considered as a lynchwagon yesterday. like, that should stick out as potential partner material provided profii flips town
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #786) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 am

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In post 3057, profii wrote:Wait does that mean you are expecting a nk even though Maria will be jailed
where did you get that impression?

4 players alive, 3 needed to lynch with nsg and a no kill
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Post Post #3061 (isolation #787) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:24 am

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yeah, i am no lynching from the get-go starting tomorrow
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Post Post #3062 (isolation #788) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:53 am

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i am starting to realize i will be a bit irritated if profii flips town, cause this game's already taken way longer than i anticipated it to, and for like not listening to what my gut was telling me as i moved out of my tunnel on profii d2
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Post Post #3063 (isolation #789) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:56 am

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and further i will be irritated because i am pretty certain that would indicate maria!scum
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Post Post #3136 (isolation #790) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:09 pm

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i hate to say it, but profii did it to himself with this mislynch

now i am catching up, wow @ the sudden burst of activity!
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Post Post #3137 (isolation #791) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:11 pm

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In post 3073, MariaR wrote:VOTE: stun
lynch this jail us let's go
why you pushing a town lynchwagon right now

need reasons @ this stage in the game, not just emptiness
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #792) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 3079, MariaR wrote:Of course if you did tr us it'd be auto win but you don't and I accept that so we're taking our 50/50 right now.
Consider us conf town and we're voting Stun here. So let's lynch him and you jail us
wanting to be conftown without proper mechanical clear in mylo is ridiculous lol
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #793) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 3081, MariaR wrote:It speeds it up mostly because you're gonna keep jailing us until we're conf town right?
This way it speeds it up. RC swears we're town if it means anything
speed is how you get town to screw up here

you are playing to your only advantage, and right now that is convincing me heavily you are scum given i am town
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Post Post #3140 (isolation #794) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:20 pm

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In post 3087, Kokichi Oma wrote:Literally if he just listened to my case on nico he wouldn't have been so scummy. But, literally all he did was hard defend scum. I'm annoyed
he was literally the scummiest townplayer i have ever lynched. hands down

he gave IIoA, which town should never give ftr
he hard defended scum as you said
he contradicted the very reasonings he gave to uphold his votes
he contributed several pro-scum theories/plans for the game
he couldn’t give a good townread this entire game, until it was on freaking nicorobin. and he scumread all the wrong freaking players, except maybe maria at the very end

and it’s just like, how was he actually town, ugh?!
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #795) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:26 pm

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In post 3116, Kokichi Oma wrote:Like if stun is scum he has to eventually kill nsg
i’m not, and i’m going to show you the scummy interactions from my angle that i saw that maria took regarding nico

i think she has learned to pocket you, that’s my gut feeling

you can also recall that your townread of maria made me especially sick, which probably told me she was scum at the time and i should have listened to that.
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #796) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:30 pm

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In post 3117, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3114, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maria can we just nl
no-lynching only requires 2 when there's 4 people alive, you don't even need to get maria to vote as well
i will no lynch

maria is resistant because she is scum. why else?
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Post Post #3143 (isolation #797) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:31 pm

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resistance to a protown plan in a MYLO type of situation should almost never come from town
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Post Post #3144 (isolation #798) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:36 pm

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why do i make a push against rc that could potentially hurt the result of the other game if i am not town that genuinely believed rc was scum because of a push he made? that is, if this game had ended first and other players had deduced what went down in the other game, because apparently to rc/maria they would have sniffed it out if they were any other townplayers.

so, essentially what would be the sense behind scum!me pushing something that could only hurt both games in that instance? there is no sense at all
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Post Post #3145 (isolation #799) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:37 pm

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but i value a scum lynch so much that i was willing to take that sort of a risk

and luckily, in the long run, it didn’t hurt us
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