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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:42 am

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Votecount 2.19

Dunnstral (3)
- northsidegal , Ausuka , Irrelephant11
northsidegal (2)
- Toranaga , Keyser Söze
Ausuka (2)
- Eragon , Reundo
Keyser Söze (1)
- Nauci

Not voting: Dunnstral , the worst

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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:45 am

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In post 1224, Irrelephant11 wrote:why did you want sesq over volxen lynched last gameday
i thought sesq was more likely to be scum whereas i didn't have very specific reasons to scumread volxen
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am

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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am

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In post 1227, Irrelephant11 wrote:guys come sheep nsg with me
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:12 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1189, the worst wrote:I'm immortal pls recalc my lottery chances accoridntky
In post 1190, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1188, Eragon wrote:because most of the reasons are more like, post thoughts and tonal reads? along with a bit of playstyle maybe?
I suggest you don't get too emotional over these type of things.

In this game, capital locks and bold letters should only be employed when sharing gripping/convincing/important alignment indicative evidence against a player.





As I requested earlier... what important scum alignment posts / scum cases did I fail to engage / comment on / react to?
(It sounds like you agreed with Nauci).
caps and bold(i didnt even use bold) should be used to highlight/point out important things and things one feels strongly about, not even neccesarily in an AI way.

i dont neccesarily agree with Nauci, i was saying you twisting and misinterpreting her words was bad, becaudse she very clearly said
"i dont like how little Keyser has reacted to the past few pages"
Not
"OMG HES DOING COMPLETELY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND ITS TERRIBLE"
as you made it out to seem
In post 1192, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1185, Eragon wrote:ahh, the self-deprecation, always the distancing from yourself being scum, because scum isnt likely to point out where they did bad
FTR: "self-deprecation" doesn't just come from scum.
It is very common for
honest
townies
on mafiascum to be critical of their own game :good:
uh ya...

no
In post 1193, Keyser Söze wrote:The worst, who do you want lynched?

I don’t know what you’re currently doing.

Active lurking looking at the last few contributions.
>active lurking while Duck is on V/la but also posting in real time..
>???
>profit?
In post 1195, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1192, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1185, Eragon wrote:ahh, the self-deprecation, always the distancing from yourself being scum, because scum isnt likely to point out where they did bad
FTR: "self-deprecation" doesn't just come from scum.
It is very common for
honest
townies
on mafiascum to be critical of their own game :good:
lol no it's not

if people were critical of their own games town winrate would skyrocket here
:doc:
In post 1199, Toranaga wrote:volxen was townier than NSG.
so what?
In post 1203, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze
In post 1207, Irrelephant11 wrote:yeah I am
I don't think the things you've listed as a wifom towncase add up to town
he didn't know volxen would be the flip when he started to push against that wagon
he was probably hoping to (and almost succeeded) make sesq the lynch instead

but who's your vote now? nsg? hmmm
agree here.
In post 1208, Keyser Söze wrote:Dunnstral has a long list of surface level scum behaviour (none of them knockout factors like you say)
But when you connect all these pieces together you see a picture of a townie continually making the wrong choice:
Both tactically and in terms of keeping people happy.
>towny can make the wrong choice
>scum is always right(implied)
>Dunn must be town becuase he makes the wrong choice a lot
>???
>more $$$$
In post 1209, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1153, Dunnstral wrote:Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that
I will add this to my signature after this game regardless of what Dunnstral flips :lol:
I’ll actually be more impressed if this is scum-Dunnstral talking to the everyone like this, despite having the group scrutiny on his slot. Would even scum-TW get away with this?
this isnt AI at all, its just someone who really doesnt care to even bother reading the thread.
also, FTR i dont think TW would ever get to that point, where hes being asked to post.
In post 1210, Keyser Söze wrote:This game is about survival.
And Dunnstral’s supposed scum game isn’t helping him survive.

Scum-Dunnstral gets no benefit out of this or his remaining teammate: even if his partner busses, they’d get no town-cred.
It’s tactical suicide.

I believe scum are in my middle ground reads.
So what if his "scum game" is helping him "survive"
did volxen's "scum game" help him survive?
Does scum that gets lynched D1 "scum game" help them "survive"
Does anyone that die, does their "scum game" help them "Survive."

If your answer to those questions is "no", then you are correct and you proved your own point wrong
If your answer to those questions is "yes", I will question your sanity.

And does it matter about "Town-cred"
This game isnt called
"search for people that try to get towncred"
This game is called
"Forum Mafia"
where you need to look for people that look scummy and should flip mafia, not who votes scum and gets towncred and who makes mistakes that dont give themselves towncred.
In post 1212, Toranaga wrote:irrelephant, please take your horn outta your ass and townread keyser already thx
No.
In post 1214, Irrelephant11 wrote:well, "townread" being too strong a word here actually
I don't prefer him as my #1 lynch option

Have you actually responded to anyone's Keyser cases? There's some goodp oints
i should hope.
In post 1218, Irrelephant11 wrote:mmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg

I don't know this day has gotten unclear. I feel like I have good townreads but we can't agree who to lynch
where's Reundo
VOTE: the worst
spicy
In post 1220, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1210, Keyser Söze wrote:This game is about survival.
And Dunnstral’s supposed scum game isn’t helping him survive.
Scum-Dunnstral gets no benefit out of this or his remaining teammate: even if his partner busses, they’d get no town-cred.
It’s tactical suicide.
i think this is fallacious

the fact that someone may not be playing a
good
scumgame does not preclude that person from being scum. i know that my scum game certainly doesn't help me survive very long, and yet it's not as if i can just
choose
to not play the way that i do as scum.

basically, you boil someone's scumgame down to a matter of entirely choice, which in my opinion is not a very accurate picture at all.
^ basically this too
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:15 am

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@ducky

even if your immortal you will still die before winning the lottery

@Myself

YAY I AM EXACTLY AT 100 POSTS. PRETTY NUMBER


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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:19 am

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TOWN CORE

-Eragon
-Irrelephant11
-Toranaga
-Nauci
-the worst


Town based on what other people said

-Reundo

PoE Bracket

-Ausuka
-northsidegal
-Keyser Söze
-Dunnstral

Probably the town

-Ausuka

probably the scum
(yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum, but i know one of them wont, i just dont know which)
-NSG
-keyser soze
-dunnstral


these are all in order of strength from top to bottom.

So Irrelpephant is my strongest TR(other than me)
and TW is my weakest Town circle(still like 90% positive hes town tho)
Reundo is in his own category because i havent seen him do anything at all today and im just going based off what others say
Ausuka is my weakest SR
While Dunn is my strongest, although its very very close between him/keyser/NSG and i am happy to go any way
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:23 am

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In post 1231, Eragon wrote:probably the scum(yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum, but i know
one of them wont
, i just dont know which)
-NSG

-keyser soze
-dunnstral
good post Era. Got me curious about that scumlist tho. jeez I wonder if anyone in there could possibly be town. it would be like so handy if someone in your scumlist was super obviously town or something like that wouldn't it?

but yeah I just can't see the wood for the trees here, couldn't even begin to guess which one of these stinky scumfucks could possibly be town
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:26 am

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oh my god its so hard to see that.

i dont know what im thinking thinking i can see that.

its almost impossible

/s

but tbh i havent really cased NSG, if they had continued "people pushing me are scum or bad" i woulda hard-pushed them, but they said its a joke so ehhhh
i think tora had a pretty good case overall, but other people are defending too.
thats why NSG is my weakest SR, on top of the fact a Keyser/Dunn Scum team could actually make sense(pre-flip associations. gotta love em good. /s)
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:27 am

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In post 1200, Toranaga wrote:in before she is the watcher
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:28 am

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I literally have not read that page for like hours wtf
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:28 am

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In post 1233, Eragon wrote:but tbh i havent really cased NSG, if they had continued "people pushing me are scum or bad" i woulda hard-pushed them, but they said its a joke so ehhhh
do you think it's a scummy thing to do or something? that sounds like you would push me just for personally disliking the "people pushing me are bad" argument

and while i don't disagree with disliking that argument i would question pushing someone over it
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:30 am

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In post 1236, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1233, Eragon wrote:but tbh i havent really cased NSG, if they had continued "people pushing me are scum or bad" i woulda hard-pushed them, but they said its a joke so ehhhh
do you think it's a scummy thing to do or something? that sounds like you would push me just for personally disliking the "people pushing me are bad" argument

and while i don't disagree with disliking that argument i would question pushing someone over it
i 100% think thats a scummy thing to do, if you had continued it.

its an easy way to deflect an argument, especilly given no reasoning, as well as a way to hop into an OMGUS.

EX: Tora cases you, you pull that quote up. You dont respond to case. You vote Tora.

Its a way to get out of defending yourself and a way to vote people that think you are scum, all while being pre-ordained
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:31 am

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on an entirely separate note i'm curious as to why people are townreading toranaga, as i'm not really seeing it, although it's not really a conversation that i feel is
all that
important to have right now

if i were to die though i think the main thing i would want people to keep in mind would be to not townread him quite so easily, and that's really because i think that on our current track this town could win without any other advice except for that, not because i think he's the most likely to be scum or anything.
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:33 am

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In post 1237, Eragon wrote:i 100% think thats a scummy thing to do, if you had continued it.

its an easy way to deflect an argument, especilly given no reasoning, as well as a way to hop into an OMGUS.

EX: Tora cases you, you pull that quote up. You dont respond to case. You vote Tora.

Its a way to get out of defending yourself and a way to vote people that think you are scum, all while being pre-ordained
-shrug-

as an argument (especially it going as you put it) it's fairly ridiculous and i would never make it. i might make some specific variation of it (i.e. this person wouldn't be pushing me as town because of our history together, etc.)

in any case i still think in the situation you described you would be voting that person moreso for the things they do
using
that argument rather than the argument in the first place, i.e. voting someone fo rnot giving any justification or not responding to a case

not actually for the argument in the first place

although i guess this point isn't really all that relevant.
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:36 am

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In post 1239, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1237, Eragon wrote:i 100% think thats a scummy thing to do, if you had continued it.

its an easy way to deflect an argument, especilly given no reasoning, as well as a way to hop into an OMGUS.

EX: Tora cases you, you pull that quote up. You dont respond to case. You vote Tora.

Its a way to get out of defending yourself and a way to vote people that think you are scum, all while being pre-ordained
-shrug-

as an argument (especially it going as you put it) it's fairly ridiculous and i would never make it. i might make some specific variation of it (i.e. this person wouldn't be pushing me as town because of our history together, etc.)

in any case i still think in the situation you described you would be voting that person moreso for the things they do
using
that argument rather than the argument in the first place, i.e. voting someone fo rnot giving any justification or not responding to a case

not actually for the argument in the first place

although i guess this point isn't really all that relevant.
agreed. i dont SR your for it as it stands because you said it wasnt serious, and i mean , a ?meta? defense, like you said(the person wouldnt be pushing me if he were town because ....) thats one thing , its entirely another to just call them bad or scum because they think your scum.
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:43 am

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In post 1098, Eragon wrote:
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}

about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?
Reundo is my SR due to my view on the gamestate (Mafia are comfortable now and this sort of town isn't the kind to ace a game based on today, bussing is therefore likely), Keyser things, and the fact he has a wide lynchpool of popular suspects that he's stating willingness to chainlynch. I am open to other ideas but dunn/Keyser isn't really one of those ideas, sorry. Although it doesn't matter what I think really.

Tor is an old read that just decayed over time, tw gives me bad vibes, you're kind of not readable for the most part and some things you do ping me vaguely. Like why am I suddenly 4th scummiest when you've been tunneling me this whole day?

NSG read explanation is in my readslist. Keyser feels genuine and I don't really get how he's meant to be scummy.
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:44 am

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I kinda liked Tora's reaction to my rep in and some interactions around the volx wagon but yeah I'll pay it
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:52 am

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In post 1241, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1098, Eragon wrote:
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}

about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?
Reundo is my SR due to my view on the gamestate (Mafia are comfortable now and this sort of town isn't the kind to ace a game based on today, bussing is therefore likely), Keyser things, and the fact he has a wide lynchpool of popular suspects that he's stating willingness to chainlynch. I am open to other ideas but dunn/Keyser isn't really one of those ideas, sorry. Although it doesn't matter what I think really.

Tor is an old read that just decayed over time, tw gives me bad vibes, you're kind of not readable for the most part and some things you do ping me vaguely. Like why am I suddenly 4th scummiest when you've been tunneling me this whole day?

NSG read explanation is in my readslist. Keyser feels genuine and I don't really get how he's meant to be scummy.
you're literally only townreading NSG because nauci is, and nauci is only townreading NSG because NSG doesn't post anything when she is scum normally. she hasn't been towny this game and I think nauci is just taking her for granted here. NSG is smart enough to replicate minimally her town meta. this isn't her town game though. this isn't anyone's town game, this is scum.
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:54 am

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lol
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:06 pm

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NSG's towngame that I mentioned, she drawed the n1 nightkill
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:08 pm

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huh? that's a surprise. i would consider that one of my worse towngames, honestly - maybe even the start of the era of my being washed up.
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:10 pm

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that was a bad towngame reads wise

you were obviously town there though

you had pure content throughout
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:15 pm

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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:16 pm

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sorry, i don't really have much else to really say in response.
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