NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Garmr

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@tictac as if you cared

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can't wait

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VOTE: tictac

ugly enough

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My answers:

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please, somebody take over Completly Trustworthy. my eyes are bleeding

thanks

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@Completly Trustworthy do you expect being invited to shut up?

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5. What are bad ways to scumhunt?

5.

looking for bad logic

instead of bad motivations.

what do ya think if IOs vote on ya? Is it a joke or serious?

What is the logic behind it?

I think I found it

[Lapsa]

@Io you do realize tictac was talking to Completly Trustworthy, right?

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@Io you do realize tictac was talking to Completly Trustworthy, right?

explain

really?

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@Completly Trustworthy I expect questions to be answered

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let's just get rid of that bad apple

VOTE: Completly Trustworthy

choo choo policy lunch time!

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VOTE: Malakittens

[Lapsa]

speaking about sucking up gives permission to suck up

[Lapsa]

great entrance

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Catching up. Maybe it will take my focus off of hating apple products so fucking much rn

Is it pc to hate apple?
Pun intended

hahahaa. this is very funny. comedy gold. thanks @davesaz

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why?

I missed you

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VOTE: Nosferatu

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lulz @ dave losing ground

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Gamma Emerald is

scum

thank me later

[Lapsa]

ya unvoted too easy. from dumbness of orig vote was expecting an argument with a brickwall. I don't think it was real.
+ huge setup-spec post when ya posting light posts otherwise.

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid. As for the setup spec I went into teacher mode, step off.

and you are succeeding. dave did a great job

[Lapsa]

seriously - let's lynch Gamma. I know dude is certainly capable of playing this game better

#77 - shitty reason for a vote

An explanation of why I suspect Umlaut (now Saudade):
So my first game with Umlaut I recall someone making a similar RVS vote. I don't recall the alignment of that person (my first thought is that they were probably town) but I do recall someone somewhere saying that sort of reasoning for an RVS vote is scummy.
I'm explaining this not so much to convince anyone as of yet, but more to open the discussion to where if I'm wrong, people can refute me.

^ I don't recall yet someone somewhere recalls someone making similar RVS vote and I'm not trying to convince anyone. Please refute me.

and that's that. there is no content whatsoever

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Lapsa]

Even if you found both 77 and 192 suspicious, why did you not vote Gamma until now Lapsa? For instance, why did you vote for Nosferatu over him in 289?

for sweet sweet tictac towncred

[Lapsa]

I don't enjoy it.

I liked lapsa delay in voting

[Lapsa]

this is my first non newbie game

quite convincing

[Lapsa]

didn't find Akarin's entrance that great

although I don't find purr's misinterpretation mischievous and in fact do townread Akarin

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#542 sucks

Gamma "Definitely Not A Brickwall" Emerald doesn't really care about narrative

it's all about getting tictac off the wagon

same focus slipping out couple posts later:

It reduces the number of people on my wagon

[Lapsa]

Hi Mr. Taking Posts Out Of Context
Maybe you wanna read the full post? Or does that inconvenience your agenda?

I'm unpacking this since I don't think Lapsa is going to. I think it's meant to be sarcastic.
People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from.
That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

Thanks. I mean, I'm not "trying to be smarter", I'm trying to recognize when I'm being senseless. The rest, okay, so Lapsa thinks I have an informed POV...why? I don't see the connector there.

ya unvoted too easy. from dumbness of orig vote was expecting an argument with a brickwall. I don't think it was real.
+ huge setup-spec post when ya posting light posts otherwise.

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid. As for the setup spec I went into teacher mode, step off.

and you are succeeding. dave did a great job

you have succeeded in not being a brickwall - your play is weak and ISO lacks content

on top of that - it sounds as if you were to shift the blame on dave which is ridiculous

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I do take posts out of context - to emphasize what matters

you on the other hand - just don't give a fuck about it

humming around, trying to stomp out wagon is what you do

pedit:

Yeah uh 546 is completely taken out of context there.

see?

[Lapsa]

I'm sorry I've offended you. perhaps we can start over?

[Lapsa]

Sure. Let’s start with not disrespecting attempts at self-improvement. If you think I’m lying say it, but don’t couch it in sarcasm.

I think you are lying

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cause I'm solving the game

don't tell me you are lying unconsciously

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you do

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Cool, nice to know you’re not going to actually try explain anything.

pedit:

Yeah uh 546 is completely taken out of context there.

see?

wtf is this btw?
Yeah all I’m getting from you is that you’re trying to cut me down, not actually help me.

accusation from Io that you are taking things out of context

I am trying to cut you down. how come you expect me to help you?

[Lapsa]

lick my balls you defensive emo scum dumbfuck. go ahead and replace out to another dimension

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so brave

took you 8 pages to finally omgus

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rushed pedit is what it is

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as for #547:

I'm suspecting that you are thinking way too much about derailing your wagon

by very definition - slips must be out of context

You just called your own logic shitty, gj

did I vote?

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Spoiler: TEH CONTEXT

5. What are bad ways to scumhunt?

5.

looking for bad logic

instead of bad motivations.

what do ya think if IOs vote on ya? Is it a joke or serious?

What is the logic behind it?

I think I found it

Good eye
VOTE: tictac

still voting tictac for now though

I already posted I'd rather remain on tictac, pls read thread

@tictac I'd like to know why you were asking about logic the same post as saying logic is not as important as motivation

@gamma
"bad logic is not a scumtell"
"logic is useless for all things"
2 different statements, only one of which I endorse.

@dave I think I've done AI things? Keep looking I guess.

Meh okay. I think your explanation is fair.
VOTE: Umlaut

#77 - shitty reason for a vote

You just called your own logic shitty, gj

did I vote?

Already explained this to someone else: wasn’t aware you weren’t serious.

I'm seriously thinking that #77 is a shitty reason for a vote

@Gamma Emerald how does me being serious or not affects your vote on tictac?

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@Gamma Emerald

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on tictac?

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@Gamma Emerald

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on tictac?

Probably a 3: it had mild use but was ill-founded

I would break that scale and give you -3

which is why I'm pushing you

seriously - let's lynch Gamma. I know dude is certainly capable of playing this game better

#77 - shitty reason for a vote

yet somehow you playing badly is supposed to be my fault

You just called your own logic shitty, gj

[Lapsa]

Wait something just clicked: are you seeing my post 77 as taking YOUR post out of context?

no I am not

please continue reticulating splines

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And about the previous post, for fucks sake I thought you were being serious when I posted 77, you can’t be this obtuse.

Spoiler: now you have created a loop

I'm seriously thinking that #77 is a shitty reason for a vote

@Gamma Emerald how does me being serious or not affects your vote on tictac?

To answer the question, not at all, because even if you weren’t serious it was worth pressing.

@Gamma Emerald

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on tictac?

Probably a 3: it had mild use but was ill-founded

yet somehow you playing badly is supposed to be my fault

And about the previous post, for fucks sake I thought you were being serious when I posted 77, you can’t be this obtuse.

[Lapsa]

regardless of

(Lapsa's)

alignment

you are in front-seats, voting, swearing yet still

indecisive

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on Lapsa?

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Wait something just clicked: are you seeing my post 77 as taking YOUR post out of context?

would rate this solid 8 scum play

something I would expect from Gamma Emerald

sad thing is you can't go back no more. stuck acting a fool

[Lapsa]

Being called a liar for doing something good should NEVER be something to be proud of.

that's some PRESCHOOL stuff

[Lapsa]

I'm also very confused

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how could I know? I'm confused you see

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of course I don't. how could I?

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Because even if you don’t you can say “everything”. As I see it you’re just continuing to be a snake.

no, you are snake! everything snake err... snake everything!

[Lapsa]

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates?

^ here's where your excuse fails, dave

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@dave afaik you are leaning town!Gamma

fine, whatever

yet you shouldn't be basing such lean on:
- scum!Gamma would know his post would cause backlash
- town!Gamma wrote his post in a hurry

which is why I'm calling it an excuse

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Spoiler: not related

Remind me, not sure you’ve given a coherent one.

how's my reason supposed to be bad if you don't even know it

By definition all reasons are bad given I'm town.

TBH I don't even know if you've given a reason. I'm going to work. You can do us all a favor by enlightening me and the thread, or you can be an ass and make me look it up when I'm not working.
Guess which one I'm betting on.

Why would you say he has bad reasons then?

9:11 pm
9:17 pm

HEY DAEV!!! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!

YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE CASE NOSFORATU W/O KNOWING IT!!!11

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mmmm... fancy subconscious reads. my favorite

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I think he already did. dirty tricks

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dude, you are practically eating the rope yet casually inquiring Io for random opinions

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oh snap...

I like both:

#772 and #773

who's gonna chicken out?

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hah...

Io didn't even bother addressing daev

I bet she's on mobile phone. singular tab problems

[Lapsa]

I'm actually fine with him being lynched.

yet CT asks her opinions. guy's a genius

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I know! let's change addressee!

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can you stomach these snake tactics, liar?

UNVOTE:

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One of the instances happened right before I made a comment where I saw a scumtell btw.

beautifully worded. I like you daev. why can't we be friends?

[Lapsa]

my maybe lynchpool:

1. Completly Trustworthy
2. Hugo Stiglitz
4. popopopopopopo
12. tictac
13. Io
14. Malakittens
15. davesaz

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oh fuck off, Mala. I'm tired of lynchbaiting. would prefer surviving another day or two

[Lapsa]

the chicken guy replaced?? wonder why.

not my fault you are unable to follow thread

[Lapsa]

speaking of which - I believe you lied about your mafia experience

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Just did an iso, he did not ever indicate replacing out ITT

nevermind. I believe it now. defo scum slip. carry on, soldier!

[Lapsa]

Wait where am I?

you are in a lynchpool

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oh wow... evolutionary breakthrough

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it's an actual maybe lynchpool. why are you so obtuse?

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quite a peculiar question

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and I'm drunk. so no more posts till tomorrow

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and I'm drunk. so no more posts till tomorrow

afraid of scum slipping while your inhibitions are lowered?

that's the easy part. cleaning up mess in your head is what I'm afraid of

[Lapsa]

Lapsa were you talking about scion in your 855?

no. I was talking about Hugo

i have to agree

this stinks. Mala and Gamma are

scum

VOTE: Malakittens

[Lapsa]

no, you have no sense of reason

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daev is still in my maybe lynchpool

[Lapsa]

I think he is feeling insecure about his read because it's being ignored. He's seeking validation or someone to tell him what he should be scumreading instead.
Comes across as very newbtown to me.

^ unlikely

[Lapsa]

@performer

Vote davesav if you wanna live.

@garmr how do you plan killing performer in case he refuses?

[Lapsa]

you should have made simpler arrangement with Fate - winning the game seems optimal

[Lapsa]

claim dave

while I don't like the way this just popped up I am in agreement he needs to claim sooner rather than later

surprisingly

[Lapsa]

sooner rather than later

sooner rather than later

hint hint

wink wink

[Lapsa]

I'm finally ready to commence

let's do this!

USA! USA!

we can win!

VOTE: davesaz

[Lapsa]

FYI Nos quoted something that was not there

that is called cheating, Gamma. very game theory

[Lapsa]

you read backwards for half an hour and reached post 613

dude check your timings

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@Gamma do feel free to point out things ya see.

not that I'm trying to discourage that

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VOTE: Malakittens

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@Saudade will you hammer when Mala reaches L-1?

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Why am I not ahocked that it all consists of people under fire rn

what's the town intent here?

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I think Performer is coming from a very town place, and I agree with Purr that the votes are prob scum driven. Doesn't really make sense to me why people kept piling on that train when there was Lapsa who voted up Dave after the vig claim. I think the day is ending soon and I relate to popo hard
VOTE: mala

That’s how I feel about this day. It has to end so I can reevaluate.

that's totally what Hugo said. or somebody else. I feel

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I said it a while back. Trust me on this lynch Perf over me

saying it previously makes it totally what Hugo said?

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@the one who I invited into my town pr hood and ended up refusing to go with my plan in that one game:

Why are you townreading me? ...

I really don't

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turns out you do feel alike, right? what a coincidence!

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VOTE: davesaz

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VOTE: Akarin

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VOTE: Malakittens

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i dont understand why performer thinks hes getting killed

nobody knows

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@Saudade are you Hugo?

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@Saudade are you Hugo?

??
i dont get it
did anyone get it?

Hugo, what conclusions have you drawn based on the recent flips?

that you are scum

[Lapsa]

yes

@Io tictac already explained

pls don't step on open questions Io.

and missing that felt very artificial

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1. ...
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
5. ...
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If a player were to say they think meta is not a good scumhunting tool in my survey, then voted someone later on for the same reason, I would scumread them

due to contradicting their earlier stated opinions

. Also, people's reasons for answering questions and reactions to the posed survey can be AI as well. In one of my previous games,

a scum player was the first to offer answers.

In my experience,

scum like doing things to gain towncred, such as being quick to answer my questions

. In addition, a town player answering would help me understand their positions and general playstyle while also offering content to talk about. Overall, I find it is usually pretty good to have a RQS if you can get at least four responses from the other players.

I don't like how Tictac has not been answering my questions

(not the RQS, CT was asking tictac's reads list)

and has generally been extremely unhelpful this game. Most of their posts have been worthless or contain little content relative to their size like 468 I think this deserves a push.
VOTE: tictac

CT's read progression on tictac weirds me out. it's too slow

feels like CT should have pushed tictac much much earlier

Saudade-scum for tunneling me while throwing out random reads like Mala being town and purcoccet being scary without explanation. I think its odd they have good arguments to give for my lynch,but are very lazy when giving reads or talking about other people than me. Their opinion on me doesn't seem natural.

not to mention that when CT finally lays down vote on tictac - he's totally focused on and scumreading Saudade

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Hugo Stiglitz

[Lapsa]

trying to figure out how Saudade is supposedly participating in this game

Lapsa shouldn't be townread
nor scumread
fucking null

Lapsa isn't scum lol

Unless I missed something, enlighten me, davesaz

what reason does laps has to be on your list of "do not lynch"

an exercise for the reader:

read my posts in between 354 & 486

people do complain having issues reading me but this read progression seems fake

[Lapsa]

@Gamma I still don't get it. do you really want to talk about it?

[Lapsa]

I think that Saudade is wrong about me not talking to him, I've given opinions about him and the cases he's made on me in various posts like 243, 396, 404, 531, 760, and 769. However, despite this this he has never really had a real conversation with me or even considered I might be town. Meanwhile I've tried to sort him by asking questions about his reads such as in 1292, but he has said nothing about it. I'm not sure right now whether Saudade is just scum pushing me or a bad townie. I've seen him tunnel people while absolutely certain they are scum in a previous game I had with him where he targeted Garmr, so I think this just might be natural for him. However, I do have my eye on him for now.

10 minutes passed

Also, Performer, the only reason I haven't voted Saudade up yet is because I have had many scumreads throughout this game and there were always people who I thought were better candidates for a vote. In this case, I believe you are more scummy due to ignoring Garmr's points against you and passing his argument off as ATE. Your latest posts haven't made me feel better, especially since you are saying you think something is weird from people not scumreading those who scumread them. I don't believe that all people pushing against me while I'm town are scum, so I think that the argument is weak and based on poor logic. Overall, posts like 1387 and 1388 seem more like attempts to change the subject than anything else.

VOTE: Performer

@Completly Trustworthy how come you are able to talk so collected to scum like in 1390? do you expect them to agree or something?

[Lapsa]

HI NOSFORATU! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!!1111

YOU DIDN'T VOTE MALA AND HAD HER IN YOUR TOWN READS122

CONGRATULATIONS

[Lapsa]

354 and 355 looks like a townread to me yet you ask purr why I'm in a no-lynch pool

"not a scum" & "is null" are compatible - I didn't catch you lying red-handed

but that just makes me even more puzzled about your footprint in this game

[Lapsa]

reading the situation more as scum cutting their losses since the pressure on ya been high since day 1

I don't feel that way at all. more like scum free riding

this is the player pool I'm most interested in:
garm purr nosf Io

^ there must be scum in between given my unworthy reads

garm lately pings town
nosf is susceptible of being a townbeard

so I'm getting most paranoid of purr and Io

either way - I don't want day to finish so quickly

[Lapsa]

hey CT, purrformer didn't flip just yet

what if he's a hero and continues tunneling you?

[Lapsa]

@Completly Trustworthy how come you are able to talk so collected to scum like in 1390? do you expect them to agree or something?

[Lapsa]

@CT do you presume I don't know who you were talking to?

[Lapsa]

let's post. posting is good

[Lapsa]

@CT you are doing it again. please don't dodge my questions

Spoiler: clairvoyance

Garmr, I unfortunately think its more likely Mala is going to flip town than not at this point because of 1237. Townies like to post their reads and opinions when they are lynched to try and help the town. Scum have less reason to do that as their fake reads will probably be ignored.

I don't expect townies to quickhammer like that Lapsa. Yesterday his threat to quickhammer was at least slightly excusable since it was really late in the day. This incident and his tunneling of me have basically made him 100% scum in my mind. Unless Performer flips scum, which is unlikely due to the hammer, he should get shot tonight.

[Lapsa]

@CT

I believe you were talking to Performer

it's kinda like when someone breaks into your house at night and you politely tell them where's the money at

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Saudade

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VOTE: Saudade

[Lapsa]

@Saudade please don't step on open questions

[Lapsa]

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Finally, why did you shoot Io Lapsa?

style points, obviously

[Lapsa]

Lapsa & Io thank you for not voting or shooting me.

@Performer that push on me cause of vote on claimed davesaz

that's when I recognized annoying old school Performer