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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:02 pm

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I do love Reundo’s novella-style reads on players. They feel like a warm blanket that re-assure me.

His work on Volxen D1 was exemplary. For those alone I elected Reundo into my top tier of town reads at the start of D2.

His recent post regarding Dunnstral strengthens my resolve not to hang Dunnstral today.

Reundo also weakens my desire to flip NSG D2 (pointing out their D1 actions surrounding the Sesq counter wagon was not the scum-optimal-play).

Finally, Reundo has re-opened my reluctant suspicion of Ausuka, who jumped off the Volxen wagon, to join the Sesq wagon, then finally rejoining the Volxen wagon. Even though I town-lean the Ausuka slot, those actions are scummy in isolation (in the conventional VCA sense). This is
my dilemma
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:10 pm

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Right now, I’m basically left with TW and Eragon in my PoE.

That is the crazy world we live in.


If TW and Eragon offer their thoughts of eachother that would be great.
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:19 pm

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In post 1231, Eragon wrote:
TOWN CORE

-Eragon
-Irrelephant11
-Toranaga
-Nauci
-the worst


Town based on what other people said

-Reundo

PoE Bracket

-Ausuka
-northsidegal
-Keyser Söze
-Dunnstral

Probably the town

-Ausuka

probably the scum
(yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum, but i know one of them wont, i just dont know which)
-NSG
-keyser soze
-dunnstral


these are all in order of strength from top to bottom.

So Irrelpephant is my strongest TR(other than me)
and TW is my weakest Town circle(still like 90% positive hes town tho)
Reundo is in his own category because i havent seen him do anything at all today and im just going based off what others say
Ausuka is my weakest SR
While Dunn is my strongest, although its very very close between him/keyser/NSG and i am happy to go any way
I don’t like this readslist.

It kinda vibrates a going-with-the-popular vibe.

I still don’t know why Eragon isn’t voting me or Dunnstral.

When I pressed Eragon what the nature of her scum read was of me, it basically sounded like for tonal/playstyle reasons, which is strictly NAI for me. Plus, I personally didn’t like Eragon piggy-backing Nauci’s attack on me. It felt like keeping the sustained pressure/attention on my slot without committing to a vote (which I would have expected to be the next logical step. Still no vote).

I don’t know why she has labelled NSG “probable scum” too. All I know is NSG was a viable wagon for a many (including me at some point today).

Why is TW in her “town core” too? I’m having a hard time t/reading TW, so please share this conclusive evidence of TW warranting “town core” status.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:28 pm

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In post 1252, Toranaga wrote:I'll maintain that both wolves are in ausuka/nsg/dunn and if we kill all of them we win the game most of the time

if you wanna lynch dunn this gameday, I'm not gonna stop you.
Can you do a quick bulletpoint summary on all 3 players.
I’ll try to add any points.

They are the 3 slots that have committed (and quite openly) surface-level sins.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:49 am

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Produce for the weekend
I’m hoping this game will be solved by tomorrow :]
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:56 am

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still obviously town waddup
having a great weekend btw hope y'all are too
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:00 am

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Votecount 2.21

Dunnstral (3)
- northsidegal , Ausuka , Irrelephant11
Ausuka (2)
- Eragon , Reundo
northsidegal (1)
- Toranaga

Not voting: Dunnstral , the worst , Keyser Söze , Nauci

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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:10 am

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VOTE: Dunn
head saying this is right but telling me dunn/aus are t/t
I think I'm wrong abt Dunn before Aus tho so stfu gut!
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:12 am

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hi
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:15 am

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hai
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:18 am

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who is scum?

should I attempt to regain motivation for this game by playing on an alt or should I not bother?

how was your weekend?
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:19 am

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In post 1285, Ausuka wrote:regain motivation for this game by playing on an alt
haha, i know the feeling.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:19 am

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In post 1282, the worst wrote:VOTE: Dunn
head saying this is right but telling me dunn/aus are t/t
I think I'm wrong abt Dunn before Aus tho so stfu gut!
are you roleplaying as sesq?
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:20 am

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In post 1287, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1282, the worst wrote:VOTE: Dunn
head saying this is right but telling me dunn/aus are t/t
I think I'm wrong abt Dunn before Aus tho so stfu gut!
are you roleplaying as sesq?
ceiling fans
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:22 am

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In post 1285, Ausuka wrote:who is scum?

should I attempt to regain motivation for this game by playing on an alt or should I not bother?

how was your weekend?
probably Dunn I guess but mostly because reading into other people right now is effort

:0 up to u if you have an exciting alt idea

my weekend was pretty good. I'm really exhausted today tho. how's yours going?
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:27 am

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I don't think Dunn is scum tbh but I also think trying to fight this is kind of a waste of energy.

I was just gonna replace in on an old alt and be spammy tbh.

I had a good weekend, mostly I just relaxed. Today I decided to open up pokemon go and there were lots of rare Pokémon everywhere :o so that was cool.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:35 am

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In post 1273, Eragon wrote:this may seem a bit off-topic, but what was the *general* read on dunnstral at the end of D1?

I dont mean individually, but did most people seem to SR him, TR him, or NR him?
still want this answered btw.

and im about to go catchup from what I missed
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:44 am

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In post 1290, Ausuka wrote:I don't think Dunn is scum tbh but I also think trying to fight this is kind of a waste of energy.

I was just gonna replace in on an old alt and be spammy tbh.

I had a good weekend, mostly I just relaxed. Today I decided to open up pokemon go and there were lots of rare Pokémon everywhere :o so that was cool.
I've been raiding tonnes for this legendary birdie event, it's been wicked fun. (been doing so w friends which has been part of my v/la haha) throw me an add if you want --- 1164 6584 8478

first point is also super super related. kinda almost feels like volxen was bussed but it's only really a gamestate soul read :/ like I don't really wanna lynch anyone
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:01 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1241, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1098, Eragon wrote:
In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}

about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?
Reundo is my SR due to my view on the gamestate (Mafia are comfortable now and this sort of town isn't the kind to ace a game based on today, bussing is therefore likely), Keyser things, and the fact he has a wide lynchpool of popular suspects that he's stating willingness to chainlynch. I am open to other ideas but dunn/Keyser isn't really one of those ideas, sorry. Although it doesn't matter what I think really.

Tor is an old read that just decayed over time, tw gives me bad vibes, you're kind of not readable for the most part and some things you do ping me vaguely. Like why am I suddenly 4th scummiest when you've been tunneling me this whole day?

NSG read explanation is in my readslist. Keyser feels genuine and I don't really get how he's meant to be scummy.
so your completely ignoring that Reundo spent almost their entire D1 bussing their partner?
>ok on tor
>can you explain the vibes on TW?
>ok, thats the first time ive been called unreadable lol, but why are you exaggerating the fact that I "am tunneling" you. I most certainly am not tunneling(all ive done is a case and a vote and a read) so im not tunneling, and your 4th scummiest because I find the others scummier.
>NSG Re: tor "Nauci is TR'ing NSG because NSG is doing ___"
>"I dont get how he's meant to be scummy"
U wot m8?
In post 1252, Toranaga wrote:I'll maintain that both wolves are in ausuka/nsg/dunn and if we kill all of them we win the game most of the time

if you wanna lynch dunn this gameday, I'm not gonna stop you.
agreeeeed. but add Keyser there
In post 1255, Nauci wrote:VOTE: dunnstral no time to post but I'll be slightly useful this way gl
cool
In post 1256, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1223, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1176, Keyser Söze wrote:Dunnstral:

- defends scum
- opposes wagon on scum
- attacks town
- encourages wagon on town
- not motivated (or happy to be seen to not be motivated) about scum hunting
- no pro-active urgency demonstrated while being the lead wagon today
- weak ISO
- zero town cred won from D1 (Volxen bud was there for the taking)
- zero motivation to gain town cred for D2
- Lame OMGUS read
- minimal WIM


Tora opened up my eyes to town read him via WIFOM.

Scum-Dunstral would never survive to LYLO playing like this.

Proof of the pudding: he’s been in nearly everybody’s POE today, and likely some people will even want to kickstart his wagon before the deadline.
like that same viewpoint is reflected here and in my opinion it's entirely counterintuitive - you're recognizing a lot of reasons for why dunnstral is scum and then coming to the conclusion that "no way would he make it that obvious if he were scum"

and to that i would say

sometimes maybe you should keep it simple and see what happens
True, sometimes the simple answer is the right one - but is Dunnstral really this shit as scum?
the fuck lol?
people make mistakes
people dont have WIM and play bad
People just play bad in general
People sometimes just get unlucky
and you are actually town reading someone for "being too bad to be scum"
can I have 10 of what your smoking?
In post 1259, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1257, northsidegal wrote:not sure how much of an authority i am to speak on the subject, although a line i remember from team mafia is "scum!dunn is incapable of original thought"
First of all, I'll argue that I've shown original thought in this game, I just haven't posted much admittedly (but so what?)

Second of all, I think that line was from salty guy who also incorrectly read me that game or something along those lines. Either way our team was 4 town in team mafia
you can't think of anything better to post than saying you've posted thoughts and explaining a quote that shows no meaning overall
In post 1264, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - sorry to be annoying again but I don't think your vote is where your current reads are.

Would you say (Dunnstral, Keyser) has more chance of flipping scum than (Ausuka)?

Can you also explain why you labelled NSG “probable scum” too.
probably not, because att of posting reads(iirc) there were 3 votes on Dunn, who I didnt want to put to L-1, 2-3 votes on NSG, I was on Ausuka, and im still debating you.

I definitely see you and Dunn flipping scum more often then Ausuka.
IMO we Lynch Dunn > Keyser > NSG/Ausuka > NSG/Ausuka and thats a wrap.
In post 1268, Toranaga wrote:yeah idk man

I think dunn gets lynched regardless of this read on him

I think with you that at least 3 if not more people, that think the way he defended volxen doesnt really happen as svs. I'm the one who initially postulated this idea ITT and I think it's correct, but it's absolutely very very thin and his attitude/posts outside of that are not towny. it's quite the hero read given the context where dunn is just potatoing the game really hard.

I absolutely don't understand anything on your paragraph about NSG. also I think between her and ausuka, ausuka is a lot townier and the town between the two if there is one town between the two.
I disagree that someone defending scum is not SvS, I dislike reads like that, even if sometimes they are accurate.

In post 1275, Keyser Söze wrote:I do love Reundo’s novella-style reads on players. They feel like a warm blanket that re-assure me.

His work on Volxen D1 was exemplary. For those alone I elected Reundo into my top tier of town reads at the start of D2.

His recent post regarding Dunnstral strengthens my resolve not to hang Dunnstral today.

Reundo also weakens my desire to flip NSG D2 (pointing out their D1 actions surrounding the Sesq counter wagon was not the scum-optimal-play).

Finally, Reundo has re-opened my reluctant suspicion of Ausuka, who jumped off the Volxen wagon, to join the Sesq wagon, then finally rejoining the Volxen wagon. Even though I town-lean the Ausuka slot, those actions are scummy in isolation (in the conventional VCA sense). This is
my dilemma
In post 1276, Keyser Söze wrote:Right now, I’m basically left with TW and Eragon in my PoE.

That is the crazy world we live in.


If TW and Eragon offer their thoughts of eachother that would be great.
p.much hard pocketing of Reundo right here

and so you think Ausuka is scummy for their "bad/scummy actions" involving Volxen, but you think Dunn is towny????
:Lol:
also TW is town.
In post 1277, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1231, Eragon wrote:
TOWN CORE

-Eragon
-Irrelephant11
-Toranaga
-Nauci
-the worst


Town based on what other people said

-Reundo

PoE Bracket

-Ausuka
-northsidegal
-Keyser Söze
-Dunnstral

Probably the town

-Ausuka

probably the scum
(yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum, but i know one of them wont, i just dont know which)
-NSG
-keyser soze
-dunnstral


these are all in order of strength from top to bottom.

So Irrelpephant is my strongest TR(other than me)
and TW is my weakest Town circle(still like 90% positive hes town tho)
Reundo is in his own category because i havent seen him do anything at all today and im just going based off what others say
Ausuka is my weakest SR
While Dunn is my strongest, although its very very close between him/keyser/NSG and i am happy to go any way
I don’t like this readslist.

It kinda vibrates a going-with-the-popular vibe.

I still don’t know why Eragon isn’t voting me or Dunnstral.

When I pressed Eragon what the nature of her scum read was of me, it basically sounded like for tonal/playstyle reasons, which is strictly NAI for me. Plus, I personally didn’t like Eragon piggy-backing Nauci’s attack on me. It felt like keeping the sustained pressure/attention on my slot without committing to a vote (which I would have expected to be the next logical step. Still no vote).

I don’t know why she has labelled NSG “probable scum” too. All I know is NSG was a viable wagon for a many (including me at some point today).

Why is TW in her “town core” too? I’m having a hard time t/reading TW, so please share this conclusive evidence of TW warranting “town core” status.
1. im a dude. not a gal.
2. yes. I said gal, but im not southern. deal w/ it
3. you can literally say "going-with-the-popular-vibe" to ANYONE with the same reads, yet you single ME out of the plentiful others that have these reads. think about it logically. If its POPULAR, that means that lots of PEOPLE think that, so everyone that has the SAME reads is "POPULAR." so you can apply this to everyone else. This is reachy, incorrect, and wolfy.
4. because I haven't gotten around to it
5. uh no, not play style reasons. and tonal not as in the way you post, but the what you post.
6. "piggy backing Nauci's attack on me" u wot m8? so just because I think your scum, and so does nauci, that means im piggy backing on Nauci? Nice deflection my dude, by not one that will get you far.
7. again, the vote I just haven't gotten around to, as ive explained
8. I already explained my read on NSG
9. I've TR The Worts since I joined this game, and nothing has changed that. I couldn't really care less whether you agree or not.
In post 1282, the worst wrote:VOTE: Dunn
head saying this is right but telling me dunn/aus are t/t
I think I'm wrong abt Dunn before Aus tho so stfu gut!
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In post 1285, Ausuka wrote:who is scum?

should I attempt to regain motivation for this game by playing on an alt or should I not bother?

how was your weekend?
do the reverse alt.

go main from alt instead of alt to main
EZ game
In post 1289, the worst wrote:
In post 1285, Ausuka wrote:who is scum?

should I attempt to regain motivation for this game by playing on an alt or should I not bother?

how was your weekend?
probably Dunn I guess but mostly because reading into other people right now is effort

:0 up to u if you have an exciting alt idea

my weekend was pretty good. I'm really exhausted today tho. how's yours going?
what is
YOUR
read on Dunnstral little duckling 0.0.
and dont say scum, can you give something on it?
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:02 am

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and with that.

VOTE: /unvote

im debating whether I want to state intent yet or not.

Please stand by :yawn:
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:03 am

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uhh I screwed that up lol

UNVOTE: Ausuka
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:19 pm

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Sorry Eragon, thought you were a gal.


In post 1293, Eragon wrote:IMO we Lynch Dunn > Keyser > NSG/Ausuka > NSG/Ausuka and thats a wrap.
Tbh, if this game is actually quite simple (and not as challenging as I believe it is) then this is the correct 'popular' route.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:34 pm

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I agree with lynching nsg and ausuka being correct at any rate

should we just lynch dunn and move on? there's nothing going on since ever

just get him flipped and then maybe sheep me on nsg and ausuka being the wolf team?
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:22 pm

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I’ve got to a point where I’m happy to sheep.

Let’s hope obvious scum is scum this game! :shifty:
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:41 am

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ok, let's get this done then

regardless of dunn's flip, I'd go NSG next

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