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Post Post #1350  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:01 pm

UNVOTE: if it gets us more from the dunnster

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Post Post #1351  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:01 pm

some of those phrases look scummy tbh

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Post Post #1352  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:01 pm

In post 1345, the worst wrote:town!Keyser is kind of a sheep in a wolf's clothes :lol:

:lol:

true

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Post Post #1353  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:03 pm

VOTE: Eragon

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Post Post #1354  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:06 pm

oh
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Post Post #1355  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:07 pm

@Dunn - why do you suspect Eragon?

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Post Post #1356  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 pm

In post 1349, Keyser Söze wrote:I need advice from a neutral party:

Does this look like confirmation bias? Or someone suspiciously chaining misslynches / linking a townie-to-scum?

@Irrelphant11 - what does it look like to you?

You are a good person to ask as you scum read me in our last game.

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Post Post #1357  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:11 pm

lol Rel
do you like walking?
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Post Post #1358  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:12 pm

In post 1356, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1349, Keyser Söze wrote:I need advice from a neutral party:

Does this look like confirmation bias? Or someone suspiciously chaining misslynches / linking a townie-to-scum?

@Irrelphant11 - what does it look like to you?

You are a good person to ask as you scum read me in our last game.

wow shucks this is a good point
He does look a lot like I did that game
man idk anymore
if you couldn't tell :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post Post #1359  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:12 pm

VOTE: Eragon

Probably gonna stay here for the rest of D2.

Dunnstral vs Eragon wagons competing makes most sense in my reads universe. Not going to give any town-scum, scum-scum association theory until we see a flip.

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Post Post #1360  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:18 pm

In post 1355, Keyser Söze wrote:@Dunn - why do you suspect Eragon?


feels kind of detached from the game

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Post Post #1361  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:20 pm

I think we better wait for Nauci too to chip in (can't remember if she was t/reading Eragon but s/reading Dunnstral).

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Post Post #1362  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:21 pm

In post 298, northsidegal wrote:
In post 286, Reundo wrote:but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part.

next up on nsg's guide to lazy low-effort very accurate reads!!!™ - we'll be taking a note out of mathdino's book and we'll be townreading hypocrisy!

after all, i would personally imagine that newbie scum (assuming volxen is a newbie) would feel self-conscious about trying to push someone for something that he himself knows he's doing. of course, that's assuming that volxen recognizes his own inactivity, but i think we can take that to be true given this:
In post 216, volxen wrote:I've been busy with work, I will respond more tomorrow.

this read vibes as town talking about scum to anyone else?

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Post Post #1363  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:23 pm

In post 1261, Nauci wrote:scum is in <keyser, dunn, tw, eragon>


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Post Post #1364  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:27 pm

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In post 1310, Keyser Söze wrote:I've always seen these type of lynches flip green, but good luck ladies and gents.


when Dunn flips scum im looking back at this.

In post 1311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1305, Eragon wrote:So lynching Keyser should end the game

Me and Dunn were town I think, so yeah, scum is in your town circle.
It's all about re-evaluation though this game.


i dont need to re-evaluate when my town circle is perfect.

In post 1312, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1153, Dunnstral wrote:Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that

Competent scum don’t tank like this (unless scum-Dunn thinks his remaining partner can win the game from here).


or he just doesnt feel like playing right now or doesnt have time???
This WIFOM-y defense is very buddy-like.

In post 1313, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1276, Keyser Söze wrote:Right now, I’m basically left with TW and Eragon in my PoE.

That is the crazy world we live in.


If TW and Eragon offer their thoughts of eachother that would be great.

I was catching up on got here right about when I read this
In post 1277, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1231, Eragon wrote:TOWN CORE
-Eragon
-Irrelephant11
-Toranaga
-Nauci
-the worst


Town based on what other people said
-Reundo

PoE Bracket
-Ausuka
-northsidegal
-Keyser Söze
-Dunnstral

Probably the town
-Ausuka

probably the scum(yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum, but i know one of them wont, i just dont know which)
-NSG
-keyser soze
-dunnstral


these are all in order of strength from top to bottom.

So Irrelpephant is my strongest TR(other than me)
and TW is my weakest Town circle(still like 90% positive hes town tho)
Reundo is in his own category because i havent seen him do anything at all today and im just going based off what others say
Ausuka is my weakest SR
While Dunn is my strongest, although its very very close between him/keyser/NSG and i am happy to go any way

I don’t like this readslist.

It kinda vibrates a going-with-the-popular vibe.


I still don’t know why Eragon isn’t voting me or Dunnstral.

When I pressed Eragon what the nature of her scum read was of me, it basically sounded like for tonal/playstyle reasons, which is strictly NAI for me. Plus, I personally didn’t like Eragon piggy-backing Nauci’s attack on me. It felt like keeping the sustained pressure/attention on my slot without committing to a vote (which I would have expected to be the next logical step. Still no vote).

I don’t know why she has labelled NSG “probable scum” too. All I know is NSG was a viable wagon for a many (including me at some point today).

Why is TW in her “town core” too? I’m having a hard time t/reading TW, so please share this conclusive evidence of TW warranting “town core” status.

qft
UNVOTE:
So should we flashwagon Eragon now or


you actually think thats a good reason? did you read my response, where, if I am going with the popular vibe, that means lots of other people share those reads, which means that other people are also going with the popular vibes, so picking solely me to call out for being popular, thats wolfy.

In post 1315, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hi Ausuka
I don't think you'll get a Reundo lynch, but I am curious if you're still scumreading him after his most recent post

Also did you wanna start a wagon on someone new


why would their last post be towny? jw?
In post 1319, Irrelephant11 wrote:For the record I think eragon has played a very towny looking game
And I need to review ISO before actually flashwagoning
But I think there's some good points about dunnstral being town and if he's scum I doubt he'll win with his play so far so I'm willing to lynch someone else today

ausuka has appealed to my emotions somewhat successfully and in a more towny than scummy way imo, nsg is almost definitely town as are nauci/keyser/tor/reundo

So I'm ready to lynch eragon or tw and leave the lynchbait around for tomorrow
If I should be aiming for ausuka someone convince me in real time

pedit: I think you should be townreading most of his posts, though maybe not his activity


why would you ever not lynch someone because "i doubt he'll win like this"

i agree reundo is towny overall

In post 1321, Keyser Söze wrote:I’m currently thinking a one-on, one-off theory regarding the Dunn wagon.


Eragon’s “readlists” isn’t even a readslist if you break down his individual reads, it’s a ‘this is a wagon I would jump on’

Im wondering how sincere all those ‘town core’ reads are actually town (what strength and why) and why he is scum reading his ‘probably scum’, which may even be null reads. Is it in fact a mere PoE list?

I.e I want to see a real readslist tiers (e.g town lean, scum lean, null scum lean).


my readlist is a PoE list. this game i feel a lot more confident in my TR's, and we have the numbers to back it up, especially once we lynch dunn and he flips scum. that will give us like 7 v 1 or smth. ( i didnt do maths i just guessed) with an eternal watcher. with those odds its nigh impossible to lose, so im perfectly good PoE'ing the shit out of this game.

the Town Core is absolutely sincere and Im like 90% confident its correct. im 100% confident in Tor, Nauci, Irrelephant, and me, and slightly less confident on TW, but still confident. All of my "town core" reads are people im never supporting a wagon on, unless its the only other option.

A PoE list is 100% viable and there is no reason it is bad, especially when i have narrowed it down to 4 people and we have 2(or more) mislynches and 2 scum. which gives us a 100% chance to win.

The tiers should be obvious.
Towncore= always town
Town because others say so= i havent seen anything but others say that Reundo wouldnt hard-bus volxen D1 and i did read that, so i trust that
PoE bracket is everyone i dont townread
Probably the town is the person i see flipping scum the least
Probably the scum is the 3 people i SR the most.

In post 1322, Keyser Söze wrote:At least Eragon has a chance to vote/hammer Dunn now.
He’s been pushing my lynch and Dunn’s all D2 (or at least linking the chain lynch too) without committing to either wagon.


i dont always commit with a vote, nor is a vote mandatory to put my thoughts across. also, i did explain att why i did not place a vote, but you seem to be incessently tunneling that point.

In post 1327, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1325, Ausuka wrote:How would you feel about lynching Eragon?

no u answer


YOU HAVE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!

In post 1328, Ausuka wrote:I would be okay with lynching Eragon.


why do you want to lynch me?
PoE is an acceptable answer

In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum
why the fuck would we lynch anyone else but that D:
also Eragon feels like his fingers are bleeding as much as his heart I might need to reacquaint myself with his scum meta before I'm OK with a lynch there

P.S. sent you a gift Ausuka, hope it hatches a regional!

^this man knows whats up.


In post 1330, Irrelephant11 wrote:yeah after a number of hours I am still good with a dunnstral lynch
but that fake twilight got boring u kno
so I had to unvote

VOTE: dunnstral


you should always still be good lynching dunn

In post 1331, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum
why the fuck would we lynch anyone else but that D:
also Eragon feels like his fingers are bleeding as much as his heart I might need to reacquaint myself with his scum meta before I'm OK with a lynch there

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I can vibe with this

I don't think lynching eragon makes any sense today

dunn, ausuka and NSG are all being kinda obtusely unhelpful, but at least with ausuka I can vibe with her feelings and I think her emotions are genuine. I agree dunn's d2 was scummy, and he is a slot we're flipping as soon as we lynch anyone else and they don't flip scum, cause even dunn defenders have him POE'd down. we should just commit to this lynch now and move on, before we all lose any will to keep playing. I'm sure we're all bored by now.


tired. maybe
busy. maybe
Can barely get on. maybe
Bored. NEVER
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fr tho, im not bored yet, im actually really really vibing this game right now.
probably my favorite game on MS so far

In post 1334, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1324, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ausuka
Eragon
the worst
Dunnstral

Good PoE.

Mine: Same names, different order for me though. I'd have Dunstral most likely to flip town from those names.


Re: Keyser: "You are going with the popular reads here in your PoE list"

but seriously.
he calls me out for doing a PoE bracket that "is popular"
then he says Irrelephant has a GOOD PoE bracket.
why is one PoE bracket good and another is bad?
also, he says "same names" and looking at the names
Ausuka, dunn, TW, and me
those are p.much all "popular" reads.
so what he's calling me out on, he's doing himself.
this hypocrisy.

In post 1337, Toranaga wrote:
In post 419, Eragon wrote:
Irrelephant11 wrote:we've got a couple hours might as well use 'em

Anyone else around?

@Huntress, what would you say if I told you scummy word choices were a reason to townread Keyser?

pedit: whatever you're thinking



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i mean, there 4 posts dont really have much to read off, tbh id read them more off the flips.

If volxen is town then i might look at them/sesq a bit more, but if Volxen is mafia i think huntress is going to be quite towny.
i know bussing is a possibility, but how easy is it to just come in, state intent to hammer, and vote sesq?
Instead, they came into the thread, gave a few starting reads, then said they dont want a sesq lynch and voted Keyzer.
then said they're fine with volxen, but preferably not sesq, so more defending sesq, who was at (L-1 was it?) and a few more reads.

so if i had to make a read right now i think id give them a town lean for their posts


I find the excessive associatives with the volxen flip quite alarming, especially considering eragon had just subbed in 2 hours ago. this feels very unnatural from a recent replacement.


i was actively going through Volxen's ISO and I saw Volxen hard pushing Huntress's slot(2.718) and i didnt think scum would hard-bus their partner D1 and the stuff i said about Huntress having a chance to hammer without lynching their buddy.
i dont see 4-5 lines as excessive really, but you do you.

In post 1343, Toranaga wrote:irrelephant is definitely town

I'm 1/3 of the way through eragon and yeah, he is very LAMIST, but if I were to scum case him it'd be over nitpicky things/reactions he had that aren't quite right as town. he is a slot to resolve down the line IMO, not for the next 2 gamedays.

kinda vibing with ausuka being town btw.


can you point out whats LAMIST-y?
(Also, i really hope you can resolve me in the next 2 gamedays, because by then the game should be over lol)

In post 1344, Toranaga wrote:anyone should be able to townread keyser


why?

In post 1345, the worst wrote:ye scum Dunn = town Keyser as well imo

town!Keyser is kind of a sheep in a wolf's clothes :lol:


how are their interactions indicative of Tkeyser and Wdunn?
if anything i see it as SvS or Wkeyser and Tdunn, based on the defending and WK'ing Keyser is doing of an inactive slot thats being lynched.
enlighten me


In post 1349, Keyser Söze wrote:just for fun I'm gonna post every time Eragon has shaded something NAI I've written or expressed suspicion over something I've posted:

"So lynching Keyser should end the game"
"i think the most likely scumbuddy would be Keyser"
"agreeeeed. but add Keyser there"
"can I have 10 of what your smoking?"
"I definitely see you and Dunn flipping scum more often then Ausuka."
"IMO we Lynch Dunn > Keyser > NSG/Ausuka > NSG/Ausuka and thats a wrap."
"p.much hard pocketing of Reundo right here"
"This is reachy, incorrect, and wolfy"
"Nice deflection my dude, by not one that will get you far."
"on top of the fact a Keyser/Dunn Scum team could actually make sense"
"i was saying you twisting and misinterpreting her words was bad"
"ahh, the self-deprecation, always the distancing from yourself being scum, because scum isnt likely to point out where they did bad"
"so dont try to twist their words to make it seem like you are doing as much as everyone else and that they are wolfy reaching."
"this is subtly shading dunn and subtly saying "I'm town""
"probably the scum"
"yes i know theres three of them but i could see them all flipping scum"
"honestly fucking stop saying this BS"
"how is there nothing scummy about keyser?"
"its just a way to deflect the attention IMO"
"but i havent seen much presence from you recently either, i know you've had a lot of posts, and probably just RL stuff(understand) but you have lost activity"
"probably the scum"
"if both scum arent in {Dunn, Ausuka, Keyser, NSG, maybe Reundo) i need help."
"also what i mean by this is that this post is super scummy."




...still waiting for him to vote me. All I know is he has my lynch lined up after Dunnstral's (who he's still not voted...)


I need advice from a neutral party:

Does this look like confirmation bias? Or someone suspiciously chaining misslynches / linking a townie-to-scum?

what is the point of this? pointing out what ive accused you of?
i did already explain why i voted, and AGAIN your deadset focused and tunneling the fact that I didnt vote you or dunn...

In post 1353, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: Eragon


can you explain why you think i am scum?
again, PoE is an acceptable answer, but not one i can really respond to
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Post Post #1365  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:29 pm

In post 1355, Keyser Söze wrote:@Dunn - why do you suspect Eragon?


you ask dunn but none of the other people that voted/called me scum.

interesting...
In post 1358, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1356, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1349, Keyser Söze wrote:I need advice from a neutral party:

Does this look like confirmation bias? Or someone suspiciously chaining misslynches / linking a townie-to-scum?

@Irrelphant11 - what does it look like to you?

You are a good person to ask as you scum read me in our last game.

wow shucks this is a good point
He does look a lot like I did that game
man idk anymore
if you couldn't tell :lol: :lol: :lol:


pedit: Ewo yes I like walking y do u ask


what?

In post 1359, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon

Probably gonna stay here for the rest of D2.

Dunnstral vs Eragon wagons competing makes most sense in my reads universe. Not going to give any town-scum, scum-scum association theory until we see a flip.


kay.

In post 1360, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1355, Keyser Söze wrote:@Dunn - why do you suspect Eragon?


feels kind of detached from the game



the damn irony LOL

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Post Post #1366  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:30 pm

O GAWD THE BBCODE

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Post Post #1367  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:30 pm

VOTE: Dunnstral

ye its time to end this

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Post Post #1368  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:31 pm

BRO COME ON
VOTE: Eragon
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Post Post #1369  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:32 pm

In post 1368, the worst wrote:BRO COME ON
VOTE: Eragon


what 0.0

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Post Post #1370  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:32 pm

VOTE: Eragon

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Post Post #1371  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:33 pm

In post 1358, Irrelephant11 wrote:pedit: Ewo yes I like walking y do u ask

i also like walking, want to go for a walk together?
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Post Post #1372  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:33 pm

In post 1370, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Eragon

lol the OMGUS here

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Post Post #1373  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:34 pm

>dunnstral rarely appears in thread
>calls me scum for being detached
>i vote him
>he votes me right away
>???
>huge profit??????

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Post Post #1374  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:35 pm

> eragon pushes scum!Keyser without voting
> wagon on Dunn forms
> eragon is called out as scum
> eragon hops onto Dunn wagon near lynch with classic mislynch "let's end this" rhetoric
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