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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:42 pm

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Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:06 pm

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In post 29, Vijarada wrote:nobody let RC be in any position of power PLEASE for our own sanity


Bujaber for President ; Vijarada for Chancellor.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:08 pm

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In post 25, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mallowgeno: Hitler
Harambe: Fascist
Nicorobin: Fascist
Saskeyaoi: Fascist

all else town
I bet you if radiant is scum one of those is for sure hitler.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:09 pm

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In post 32, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 29, Vijarada wrote:nobody let RC be in any position of power PLEASE for our own sanity
overlap of being too tone deaf to realize that I was meming despite it being incredibly obvious + open wolfing as hard as it's possible to open wolf in secret hitler
I am not going into NSG meta but that opener is already ridiculously more likely to come from her scum game. I think she engages with me on her opener like 95% of the time as town.
Bujaber for President ; Vijarada for Chancellor.
you're townreading that post why?

I am not actually. He wants you away for a reason. Are you his buddy?
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Post Post #36 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:10 pm

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Or he wants to shade a liberal.

Either way president is the one that can test him
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Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:11 pm

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Radiant's play is NAI. Which begs the question why vij would post that
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Post Post #39 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:12 pm

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You clearly misunderstand then
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Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:13 pm

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Vijarada isn't rolefishing. He's distancing a buddy or shading an enemy.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:21 pm

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Because if I can sort him I might be able to sort you.

Would you prefer I ignore both of you?
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Post Post #46 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:26 pm

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Do you have a read on nsg radiant?

I'm townreading her. She would also be a good choice for chancellor.

Are you saying you would only be posting this way as town and not as scum? Because that wouldn't make it NAI, and weakens the case against vijarada. Has he played with you before?
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Post Post #51 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:38 pm

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Secret hitler doesn't have private conversation though.. private topic would be a mafiascum invention.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:31 pm

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I don't think your posts or RC's replaceput is AI but for the record I didn't get the feeling it was personal when you said you didn't want him as chancellor.

But to be fair I didn't read the other game and if you guys got into a personal fight there I think it is easy to see how RC might interpret your post as a continuation of that.


I just realized harambey is president this round that doesn't change.

Pick me as chancellor.
VOTE: Buj

Would be okay with nsg chancellor too.

But if I can't be president vij going chancellor doesn't tell me anything about him so don't pick him.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:47 pm

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Of course picking someone before hearing everyone else is bad. Doesn't change the fact that I want to be chancellor and I don't want vij to be chancellor if I am not president. And depending on the order I may never be president.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #13) » Tue May 01, 2018 12:52 am

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In post 29, Vijarada wrote:nobody let RC be in any position of power PLEASE for our own sanity
This reads to me like he has an agenda.
Distancing a buddy or making us doubt a townie.
Sorting vijarada might help sort RC slot. Especially if I am right that he is scum.

However if you take him as chancellor, I would only have his and your words to go on with regards to what policies he received. And since I don't know what you are I can't trust you yet.

So I don't want you to go with someone who looks to me like probable fascist.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #14) » Tue May 01, 2018 1:15 am

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It's possible.

I mean we all know RC was pulling a gambit.

You don't ramble on like that and open the game up calling yourself a fascist and just being all weird and random just for laughs. He is either a townie baiting scum into calling him out (taking it seriously before anything even happens in the game) or he is scum wanting us to go down the WIFOM rabbit hole. He claims he's good at that.

The fact that vij claimed he never wants RC as chancellor based on those posts alone is really interesting.
Vij might be pulling something too I don't know, but I do know I don't want him going on mission 1.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #15) » Tue May 01, 2018 1:16 am

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Oh he said position of power so he doesn't want him president either.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #16) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:52 am

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I actually read the posts but I do agree with harambey please consider not capitalizing this many words. It does make it more difficult to read.

As per the board game rules the first election there is no voting. I was only using it as a way to nominate people for harambey to choose. But he has full power here in election 1.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #17) » Tue May 01, 2018 5:05 am

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In post 86, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:FINE I will try to minimize the amount of emphasis I use ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It does come naturally to me so it will feel a little awkward BUT I dont want to be ostracized from the game just because of the way I type

This is a perfect amount of emphasis.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #18) » Tue May 01, 2018 7:48 am

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In post 108, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:
In post 0, Ausuka wrote:Once the President has chosen a Chancellor, every player (the candidates included) votes "Yes" or "No" indicating whether they want the current nomination to go into power or not. If there is a tie, or No gets the majority, then the government is voted down, and the presidency is passed onto the next player.
Here is your answer Harambey!

Notice the LACK of exceptions as well

My RL friend is a D for making up his own rule regarding the first election and claiming it as part of the rulebook. We have been living a lie.


No harambey the solution to that is to pick someome else you think is liberal. IF you're wrong about them and they put down fascist policy you can use the investigative power on a nullread/scumread to sort them.

I won't vote yes for vij. I think RC slot becomes easier to sort after vij is sorted. So a nein for that too for election 1.

Not sure about mallow & nico. Probably best to hold off on them for now.

Everyone else seems okay for the first mission. Would 'ja' them.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #19) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 pm

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In post 120, Mitillos wrote:
@BuJ: I think you're putting too much stock to this perceived RC-Vij connection (as are others). Sorting one out tells us pretty much nothing about the other.
Perhaps, but since there's not much to go on before election 1 whatever reason I find to eliminate people from the chancellor pool is still better than a random vote.

Also I haven't figured out yet if it's a positive association or a negative associations. AND the association is void if vij is found to be liberal.

I think it's quite logical to investigate vij with the presidential power though if/when a fascist policy is enacted.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #20) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:55 pm

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How many blue and how many red policies did you receive?

Mallow answer first please
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Post Post #138 (isolation #21) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:56 pm

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Harambey did you pick mallow to spite me? I said I will Ja everyone except 2 people and you picked one of them.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #22) » Fri May 11, 2018 2:19 am

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Okay thanks

Reckoner then. What were the policies you received and which 2 did you give to mallow?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #23) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:24 am

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Why not?

Plenty of other people to choose from. A small suspicion that excludes someone is still better than random chance.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #24) » Fri May 11, 2018 8:46 am

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In post 112, BuJaber wrote:Not sure about mallow & nico. Probably best to hold off on them for now.
So this is what I said. I suppose you're right: it's less clear than I remembered.

Let me put it this way. Everyone else's posts I just read past didn't ping me at all. Mallow's made me stop and hesitate. Wouldn't say I definitely felt it was scummy but it made me a little uneasy.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #25) » Sat May 12, 2018 8:16 am

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In post 152, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:ANYWAY so YEAH it is blatantly OBVIOUS that mallow and reck are BOTH aligned with the LIBERALS (ノ^ヮ^)ノ*:・゚✧
Huh how on earth did you come up with this before reck even told us what policies he received?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #26) » Fri May 18, 2018 10:29 am

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Thinking of picking reck/mallo

Any other suggestions?
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Post Post #197 (isolation #27) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:12 pm

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That is a bold accusation.

Obviously NM is not conftown but fact of the matter is he guaranteed a lib policy.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #28) » Fri May 18, 2018 10:44 pm

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I'm saying I can't pick NM because he went last round, so do I pick one of the first round goers which gives us lib hopefully or somebody new to test them?
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Post Post #217 (isolation #29) » Sat May 19, 2018 4:27 pm

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Just be careful with quick reads.
SS's predecessor is way too comfortable with reck and mallow.
If a president is liberal a fascist chancellor may not want to give them the investigative power.
Reck could have thrown out a liberal policy and lied.. etc.

I'm waiting for reck to explain what post 200 means
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Post Post #225 (isolation #30) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:34 pm

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Okay I think it's reck >> mitillos >> mallow in that order for me.

Would anybody be against reck for chancellor?
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Post Post #227 (isolation #31) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:08 pm

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Well then you get demoted to 3rd :P
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Post Post #229 (isolation #32) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:45 pm

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I was joking really.. I've pretty much made up my mind about reck. I just want to give people a chance to talk.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #33) » Mon May 21, 2018 6:37 am

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Anybody else feel this is a 5 player game with 5 spectators instea dof a 10 player game?

In the real life version friendships would be ending right about now :P
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Post Post #243 (isolation #34) » Tue May 22, 2018 7:46 pm

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People don't seem too interested in talking about it.

So HEAL: Reck for chancellor
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Post Post #248 (isolation #35) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:46 pm

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I got 3 fascist policies.

I don't think any of the people who went on missions have been overly suspicious, and none have accused each other of lying. As far as I'm concerned I need to investigate someone who hasn't played yet. The only issue with investigating you is that you have 4 presidents before you. Even if we say mallow and nsg are likely town and don't need to be investigated that still leaves inspi and SS that I would rather investigate over vijarada.

Either way I'm waiting for input from the rest.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #36) » Thu May 31, 2018 5:26 am

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In post 250, Not_Mafia wrote:INvest mallow
Why mallow?
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Post Post #254 (isolation #37) » Thu May 31, 2018 6:00 am

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Will the real slim shady please stand up
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Post Post #263 (isolation #38) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:03 pm

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Okay seems a few people agree with this...

Investigate Inspiratieloos
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Post Post #265 (isolation #39) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:59 pm

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Inspi is a fascist.

Nay the election.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #40) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:42 pm

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In post 271, xRECKONERx wrote:we could just not include inspi or bu in any future governments tbh
That only works short term. Eventually you run out of trusted guys because of the no repeating rule and if we don't sort conflicts out early on we force ourselves to go with a coin flip later.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #41) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:05 am

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Correctly is the key word there.

The issue is less about failure to get the liberal policies and more about incorrectly choosing hitler for chancellor later on. Based on the first 2 elections I suspect it is much harder to read people in the forum format. Fascists and especially hitler are going to want to get into the townbloc. If assuming we shun another 2 people after the 2nd investigation we have a 4:2 lib to fasc ratio left we're basically betting that our reads will be good enough to overcome the rng of the policy draw and not pick hitler for chancellor.

We have a confirmed guilty here and another confirmed guilty/confirmed town after the 2nd investigation. We need to act on those.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #42) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:14 am

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In post 281, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 274, Mitillos wrote:Anyway, @S_S: You may well be positioned between two fascists, so it's important to get reads on you immediately. You said you have other reads. Any of them that you want to share and explain?
Vijarada's second post looked a hell of a lot like distancing and none of the rest of his posting has been impressive.
N_M and Reck are townreads because they could have burned liberals and lied about it. But is a townread for neining that vote and calling what I already suspected on inspir.

Also unfortunately I'm V/LA for the weekend.
I mean if you were fascist!NM and knew your chancellor was liberal would you give him 1 lib 1 fasc policy if you had 2 liberals? It makes you look better if you give both lib and it doesn't make a difference to you result wise.
And if by some chance he received 3 liberal policies as fascist he would never tell us he threw a 3rd liberal so we'd think we have more liberal policies left.

I personally am assuming NM is town for now while there are unknowns / more suspicious players around but just be careful with reads based on policies.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #43) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:22 am

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That said, the first pair is much more telling.

Reck is pretty much confirmed as liberal. And mallo is either liberal or hitler. I doubt he's regular fascist because he didn't just choose a lib policy he also confirmed a liberal for us which is huge.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:18 pm

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Lol Inspi rejected his own government. Told you guys he's fascist.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:54 pm

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Didn't mallow go on an election already? How do you not know how it works?
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Post Post #307 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:18 pm

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In post 302, BuJaber wrote:Didn't mallow go on an election already? How do you not know how it works?
(You asking all those questions was suspicious)


SS & NM - Policies?

I say investigate vij/miti/nico
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Post Post #316 (isolation #47) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:08 pm

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It's better to go with the unknown players. Unless SS is partners with the person he investigates we are likely going to know for sure that x is scum or that x is lib. If lib they become one if the chancellors for the late rounds.
And if x is scum we already know inspi is fascist so it'd be rarer to pick scum for chancellor among the rest of us.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 pm

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Before we vote obviously we need to hear from SS and just in case a fascist policy is passed we need to know who mallow would pick as president with the power.

So in effect we are not only voting for his choice of chancellor but also who he will pick as special president. Because the decision is solely his and we won't be able to influence it later.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #49) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:48 am

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Nice try inspi. I take it mallow is your partner and you're trying to bury me with him?

My point was made simply to slow mallow down until we discuss the potential outcomes. If he chooses quickly people may vote on that pairing alone when we also need to vote for the possible outcome of a chosen instead of elected president. Fascists can turn losing games around with this power and they aren't even losing now they're even.

Plus assuming we pick a likely liberal for chancellor the only way we're getting a fascist policy is if the president gets 3 fascist policies 3 times in a row And THAT is literally impossible given that everyone claimed they discarded a fascist policy. Because of this if the next policy is fascist we know for sure that mallow or his chancellor are fascist.
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Post Post #340 (isolation #50) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 am

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Nobody I'm just careful. I also assume that not everyone has played the game before and/or knows what each fascist round's presidential power is.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #51) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:19 am

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That makes 0 sense do you expect me to remember exactly how many cards were played and how many are remaining at all times?

And then am I supposed to not talk about the current presidential power just because it is unlikely to pass?

After all what do you think happens when the cards are all dealt?
They get reshuffled. We are in this 3rd power scenario until either a liberal policy gets passed 3 times in a row or a fascist policy is passed.

If you want to be the veteran who explains what can happen in each round instead of me go ahead. But I took it as my responsibility because I know the game well.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:05 am

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I'm more confident that Reck is town than anyone else.
I think NM is town too, but less sure of that than Reck. So pick NM now and Reck later on when we want someone we trust more than anyone.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #53) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:09 am

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Basically since hitlers are not as obvious as regular fascists we need to ask the question

Do we think x can be hitler? If yes pick x now, if no leave x for later rounds
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Post Post #352 (isolation #54) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:58 pm

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Sigh
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Post Post #366 (isolation #55) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:52 pm

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No reck we need you and 1 other person we all agree on to be the 2 chancellors that we rotate until the end of the game.

If SS explains his math maybe it'll help because I don't know how he came up with that one.

And don't pick vij he just shaded the most confirmed player we have.

This is why the elimination thing doesn't work. We are now forced to choose people based on probability instead of having 2 confirmed townies. Yes there's 66% chance of finding a lib if you exclude the 4 involved in investigations compared to 50% but if we had continued to test the same people we'd have known at least 1 guaranteed townie.

I don't like mallow's attitude. If you're not interested in discussing our different viewpoints you're not thinking with a pro-town mindset.

We'd be in a MUCH better position if you picked say nsg or one of the people that were investigated instead of reck.

Considering inspi and SS both voted ja.. I'd trust mitilos more than SS at the moment.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:58 pm

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You actually have to pick either me or SS as president.

If a liberal policy is passed you know you can trust both people involved (unless the chancellor got 2 Ls, in which case obviously still uncertain, but somewhat suggests a liberal president).

If a fascist policy is passed I would kill inspi and SS would kill mitilos. If we don't that's a scumclaim. If we do the dead person's alignment would be revealed which means you'd know who was lying.


As for chancellor I think we have to hedge our bets and go with NM.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:04 pm

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So don't pick me pick SS.

Doesn't matter to me if you don't trust me right now, just need you to trust that I know the best strategy to win. The beauty of the calculated approach to the game is that you can reduce the dependency on correct reads a lot.

By PoE you'd either figure out I am liberal eventually or you will find enough liberals outside of me/inspi.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:06 pm

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I'm offended though just ftr. Obviously my pov is biased but I've been way more townie than inspi.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:24 pm

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I've never seen that before in rl.... hmm.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:25 pm

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A fascist picking another fascist and exposing him as such I mean.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:13 am

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Doesn't matter. Point was to have confirmed scum one way or another. Take the investigations for example. I know inspi is a fascist but unless somehow that is proven to everybody it doesn't do me much good.
And no inspi, If SS is liberal then NM or reck could have buried a liberal if they went with hitler or are hitler themselves. I'm not sure about SS's alignment, but I don't understand the Ja votes last round which is the only thing outwardly suspect about him. And how do you know that mallow didn't throw a liberal?

But all my arguments were based on the dead people's alignment being revealed. Looked back after SS's post to check.. the thing that happens is we know if someone is hitler or not only. I knew some info is revealed at death and I mixed up the 2 things. Sorry about that. So that play is out of the picture.

Why Reck? We shouldn't waste the special presidency.
Only reason to downvote this one is if you think both mallow and I are fascists.

I want to pick nsg so I can test her before her presidency.
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Post Post #388 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:18 am

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No I'm president and I get to pick a chancellor now. And then the presidency continues to nsg as normal.

Mallow won't see the policies.. his turn is over.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:13 pm

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In post 389, Mitillos wrote:(including e.g. Reck, the previous chancellor)
Is this true Ausuka?

I was under the impression that the special election means that potentially the president can be a repeat but the chancellor slot cannot be. Like say if I was chancellor last election I can be president if mallow picks me. But now that he did I cannot pick neither mallow nor reck.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:35 am

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I'm not though. You're the one who's been trying to paint me as having hardreads on people when I've been advocating for a more strategic approach which should give us some confirmed libs or fascists. At least it would have when I thought that we'd know the alignment of who he shoots.
The only hardread I had is that reck is townie. And that's why he shouldn't have been picked last round he should be picked now when we can't afford to pick hitler for chancellor.

It's a game of coin flips. We know for sure that 2 out of NM SS and mallow (or reck but that's very unlikely) buried a liberal. (I don't get how you and SS are coming up with 3 buried liberals if there are 2 liberal policies achieved already and we haven't drawn all the cards yet.
We also know that 1 of SS & mitillos is a liberal.

I think NM is more likely to be liberal than SS and less likely to be hitler if fascist so after reck he's the safest pick for chancellor. SS we can afford to have as president even if I'm wrong because if he is scum he is forced to play in a way that doesn't conftown mitilos which means he's predictable.

Nsg is also a good choice and potentially worth the risk because she is going next and since nobody seemed to talk to her or about her much I don't really think she can be hitler.

So I'm picking NM or nsg. Which one will people vote ja for?
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Post Post #397 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:38 am

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You can say neither but I just want everyone's vote on the record before the voting.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:43 am

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Okay thanks for showing me the math.

My wording was a little unclear. I meant that NM if fascist he is less likely to be hitler than just a regular fascist. I wasn't comparing him with SS in that regard. Because NM passed 2 Ls to nsg which is the worst thing to do as hitler as it gives you 0 info and gives the libs a point.

As for SS normally that'd be my thinking too. But the way the votes went I don't like that he voted ja for mallow. And like I said he'd be a predictable president.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm

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Yes but how would you know? If he passed 1L 1F to nsg as hitler he would still be one of the presidents under suspicion but he wouldn't have forced nsg to pick L (if say nsg were fascist). It's just a bad move as hitler.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #68) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:39 am

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Can people say if they will vote yes for nsg, NM, or neither please?
Just want it on record so people can't change their mind without us noticing. Votes are a strong fascist tool.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #69) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:10 pm

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How they explain their vote change tells you their alignment.
And fascists have way more power to manipulate the votes than town because they all know which election is beneficial to them an which isn't.

Go ahead and be buddy buddy with inspi. You're made for each other.
If you're town he played you good.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #70) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:14 pm

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pick NM for chancellor
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Post Post #425 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:13 pm

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If SS is lib we lose. Actions > words.

I'm voting nein for insp, NM, SS, nsg, vij, Robin.
Not saying how they will vote is also telling. Obviously 2 or 3 of the quiet ones are liberal but not joining the discussions and just sheeping insp/SS.

I'd rather take my chances with the random draw until a safer president comes along than give fascists the kill power.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:19 pm

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Actually nsg is confirmed not hitler.. thanks for that info fascists :).

Nsg and reck should be chancellors for the rest of the game.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:20 pm

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Not nsg.. NM*
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Post Post #428 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:22 pm

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I told you he is most probably not hitler.. now we have proof.

Anybody picking someone other than NM/reck for chancellor is scum claiming.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:02 pm

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Doesn't post and then votes nein. We don't know what he's thinking he's keeping his cards close to his chest. We can't afford to trust him.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:43 am

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Let me try to make it simple

Every election the president cannot pick as his chancellor someone who was in the previous election.
So take the first election in this game.. harambey (Reck) was president and you were chancellor.
So the next president (NM) could not at the time pick harambey or you.

If a candidacy is rejected by the votes (like what just happened) it doesn't count as an election that actually went through. So you and reck are still the last two people to go on a successful election and thus nsg cannot pick you.

As for the President slot, the normal restriction is not there. A president can be someone who was most recently a chancellor. But there is no way for a president to become president twice in a row because it goes in order, and the special presidency cannot be awarded to yourself.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:32 am

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Maybe. But I don't like how secretive nsg is being. Also surely you can understand my position. Inspi is confirmed scum to me. I know the neins cannot all be fascist because they were a majority (and it's highly unlikely all fascists will vote the same way anyway) but voting the against me and siding with inspi in the votes is going to look real suspicious.

NM needs to be free to be chancellor when Reck can't, so we probably will have to nein his presidency if it comes back to him, so that he can be picked as chancellor. That's why he remains on the nein list but with an asterix.

You're right about mallow but he also seems too clueless to be dangerous as president. He's my best bet for hitler. There is one rare possible scenario at the last election where fascists cannot risk letting the vote pass on two liberals because of veto power and liberals cannot risk the random policy so both teams compromise and pick the least likely fascist to get rejected. This is such an edge case and one that is only applicable when you have a divided town. Otherwise the lib bloc can just win any election they want.

This also ties in to why the best strategy when you have a conflict in investigation is to try and prove which one of them is the liberal so that all the liberals can support them. The way this game is going we will be divided until the end.

I'll Ja nsg if he picks NM or me (and reck if somehow nsg gets the presidency again later)

So this is how the updated nein list looks:
Mallow**
Nico
Vij
SS
Inspi

NM*
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Post Post #437 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:34 am

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+ nsg (if chancellor is Buj/NM/Reck)
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Post Post #438 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:35 am

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Is not* lol.. next time I'll just write a Yes list instead of a No list. Less negatives less confusion
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Post Post #442 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:52 am

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In post 440, mallowgeno wrote:"he also seems too clueless to be dangerous as president"

>.>
Sorry if it sounded harsh. Just how it feels to me.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:03 pm

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See this is the weird part. The people advocating for a mechanical approach instead of making decisions based reads were also against the idea of testing the investigation pair(s) which is a mechanical strategy.

If we were to ignore everyone under suspicion that just leaves the two people we need as chancellor and the lurkers. It's just gambling that you don't pick a fascist president.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:01 am

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Reck was last chancellor to go right? So he can't go again this round.

Pick NM.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #83) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:05 pm

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We know:

- Reckoner is not hitler
- NM is not hitler
- SS is fascist
- Inspi is fascist (assuming you believe me)

I trust mitilos more than vijarada given the SS vs. Mitilos thing, so I suggest we nein this presidency and let mitilos be president.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:54 am

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If the 3rd fascist policy gets passed and the same chancellor who chose the policy is hitler it's not an auto win for hitler?
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Post Post #476 (isolation #85) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:55 am

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In post 472, 2 718281828459 wrote:Do you think I am on the liberal or fascist team? Why?
Are there any people I could pick as chancellor that you would ja? If so, who?
Who do you most want to get executed (either by me or the person you eventually ja)?
1. Not sure, more likely fascist than not by PoE. (Assuming Reck, NM, mitilos, and now nsg are liberal; and Inspi + SS + mallow (now that we tested NM) are fascist)

2. Too risky to let you go. If you are fascist you could pass 2 Fascist policies to your chancellor and you will able to shoot a liberal. The fact that you would out yourself by doing so is not worth the downside of losing a policy and a liberal. So no.

3. Inspi
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Post Post #485 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:26 am

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In post 483, Something_Smart wrote:1. No opinion, because we have no information on you.
2. Possibly Reck or Nico. Definitely not anyone else.
3. That depends a great deal on how and by whom the next fascist policy is passed, but right now I'd say Mitillos.
Lol why on earth would we ever accept Nico? They haven't been on any elections. It's literally roullette at that point.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:56 am

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I asked her to vote for NM and she did.

You on the other hand want us to potentially ja an untested president and an untested chancellor at the same time.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:14 pm

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Don't let them distract you.

This is the winning game plan:
A minimum lib-bloc of 6 players must continuously vote yes for 4-5 people from this lib bloc. We cannot afford to lose a lib vote. We cannot afford to test someone outside the bloc.

This is the playerlist and order of presidents:

Playerlist
1. xReckonerx

2. Not_Mafia

3. BuJaber

4. inspiratieloos

5. Something_Smart

6. mallowgeno

7. northsidegal

8. 2 718281828459 (50-50)
9. Mitillos

10. NicoRobin (50-50)

We can't skip 3 times in a row. So the problem area is 4,5,6. We need to finish the game before that stage.

We need 2 wins only thankfully.
Skip 2.7, mitillos chooses either reck or me.
Skip Nico, Reck chooses either whichever of those 2 mitilos didn't choose, nsg, or NM.
NM chooses whichever one of those that reck didn't choose or the person mitillos chose as they become available again.

If we get unlucky twice we still have my turn to finish it off. At the very least we protect the lib bloc from getting shot by a fascist.

But this plan requires the liberal between 2.7/nico to vote with us. Because 5-5 split in votes is a no go.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #89) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:40 am

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In post 496, 2 718281828459 wrote:I am just hypothesizing what the field would be like if Something_Smart were liberal and BuJaber and Mitillos were fascist.
It's like when you are solving a Sudoku, and you are stuck, and you make a guess on some important square, and either get to a contradiction or the answer. The consensus of people that post indicates that Mitillos and BuJaber are right, but I want to explore the alternative option since remember,
I just got here
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I should not be tied with SS in your mind.

I investigated Inspi and know he's fascist. You either believe me or not.

I am making an assumption that SS lied about mitillos because mitilos has been more consistently pro-town with his voting. SS is also seemingly on par with Inspi and that's pro-fascist.

Now he might be deluded liberal, but then he hasn't made it clear what makes Inspi liberal in his eyes. He seemingly chose a side without evidence.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #90) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:42 am

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Also considering NM proved himself town more or less that leaves mallow, SS, and reck as the pool of presidents who threw a liberal away and lied. Reck is my top townread. Leaving the other two pretty much conf scum
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Post Post #502 (isolation #91) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:04 pm

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In post 501, xRECKONERx wrote:do it
This is a bad idea
Let mitilos pick you.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #92) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:57 am

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Considering the deck has more F's those are more likely than the other 2 possibilities.

Why do you think mitilos is scum?
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Post Post #519 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:33 pm

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In post 518, Something_Smart wrote:Actually.

That could be relevant.

If Mitillos is Hitler, then from his perspective, there would have been, in his mind, a chance I was a fascist playing the long game. In that case, it would have benefited us both to throw ME under the bus and get HIM trusted. He might have thought that possibility remote, but it's worth pointing out that, at least initially, he may not have known my alignment.
If that's the case he and you hid it very well.

What makes you think inspi is town?
Why did you nein nsg+NM?

If you are town Reck would be scum by PoE. You haven't attacked reck.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #94) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:09 pm

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In post 521, inspiratieloos wrote:SS/me vs. Mitillos/BuJaber
Interesting grouping.

I don't know mitilos' alignment. Neither should SS know yours if he is actually a liberal.

It's BuJaber vs. Inspi, SS vs. Mitilos.

That's what's actually known.


Also if it skips all the way back to Reck reck can't choos Nm on his turn so let's say he picks nsg. NM would be president next but wouldn't be able to pick reck or nsg. Who does he pick that people will agree on? You say 5/4 is worse case but isn't it 6/3 snd a loss? (3 skips, random fascist policy for 4/3 then 3 F policies drawn by Reck, for 5/3, then the random policy by skipping 3 again draws F and we lose)

Yes that's unlikely but that's the worse case scenario and it's pretty darn bad. Especially if one of reck/nsg is playing the long con.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #95) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:10 pm

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Oh no reck can't even pick nsg.

It's ruined right from the start.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:46 pm

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Just want to say that I was against never using me/inspi/ss/mitilos and now look where we are. If it was proven who was town in the investigations we'd have a bigger pool to choose from.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #97) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:26 am

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In post 532, inspiratieloos wrote:Mitillos has made it really obvious he's your buddy and it's not me/Mitillos because if you and SS are both Liberals we wouldn't have that many Fascist policies passed, even though yes, technically we don't know for certain that it is not you/SS.

And Reck can choose NM, because after 3 skips the repeated chancellor rule doesn't apply.
Thanks

That's all we needed.

Now with just 1 election we can prove the alignment of 4 people.

When Reck is president he can choose 1 of us 4 . If an F passes 4 people's alignments are confirmed and reck gets the bullet shot. And we don't have to skip my presidency as I would be proven liberal.

If an L passes it most likely means the chancellor is liberal but even if they are a fascist and do that that's a free liberal policy. You can then skip to nsg's turn.

About the skipping rule: is that really the case? I don't think my board game group play like that in real life. Seems like an easy way around the chancellor rule when you have elections to spare.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #98) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:38 am

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It doesn't matter.

I'm betting the game on Reck being liberal. So even if he chooses Inspi, Inspi is forced to put an L or expose himself.

We couldn't do that earlier because you were being vague and not confirming if you are inspi's buddy or not. Inspi had multiple opportunities to distance away from you and buddy mitilos but he is sticking to your side. He reeeeeally doesn't want mitilos to get towncred.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #99) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:39 am

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Inspi wouldn't play like this as hitler he'd be a whole lot more focused on appearing like a lib.

Mitilos is likely liberal because of inspi's and to a lesser extent your actions.

So really only viable hitler candidate would be you and ideally reck doesn't pick you anyway. But if I were to bet I'd say hitler is in nico/2.7/nsg/reck.

Would be super well played by reck.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #100) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:42 am

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Forgot mallow. Mallow is possible hitler. He seems very confused
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Post Post #543 (isolation #101) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:35 am

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I didn't think you're hitler but you *could* have been though tbh 538 probably never comes from hitler.
But you're the one afraid of hitler being in us 4 so like I don't see what you're worried about. If you think the bahavior in brackets prpves you're not hitler, how would you not think inspi's or mine would? From your pov I could maybe see you thinking mitilos is hitler but as far as I recall you haven't brought up that idea before.

Also...

You were president not chancellor. The only way for a president to 'force a fascist' would be if you threw a liberal policy. Thanks for confirming that.

Was a close game up until this page :)
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Post Post #546 (isolation #102) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:20 am

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The scumslip is simple you were using it as a way to question why I would ever think you're hitler. But I have no way of knowing for sure that you threw away a liberal as opposed to NM/mallow/reck so I could never think of that question for you specifically, but knowing that you threw it you could think of it for yourself.

But anyway yes my plan is good. It's the best approach because of how the president order is. If we didn't have so many untrustables in a row we could do it differently. I would have liked for people to have agreed with this earlier, when there wasn't any danger of electing hitler anyway so that we have more info to work with, but we're here now.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #103) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:22 am

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In post 545, Something_Smart wrote:so long as he has absolutely no say on who within that group is chosen.
Can you explain this part? How would I have any say in it anyway. It's up to the president and then the votes.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #104) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:44 am

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In post 549, inspiratieloos wrote:And yes we can prove the alignment of four people with one election, but we should only do that after we've had trusted people pass as many Liberals as possible. Why take the risk of being wrong and losing when we can probably win the game already before it becomes relevant?
Because we've already counted and know that we can't win before the election comes back to me/you/SS/mallow. Better take the uncertainty now then later. I am not risking the entire game over a random draw in the last election. We've been playing this game far too long for such an anti-climactic ending.

Even with your mistaken calculation you arrive at my presidency for the last election. Why do you prefer to risk it later when we can't act on the information?


And of course I'm not sure about SS. It's why I've been drswing conclusions based on your actions. 2 out of 4 threw away a liberal. How do you know it isn't reck or NM for sure? Why would you believe SS over them? I saw your card so you're gonna claim I'm lying, but that wouldn't explain you trusting SS.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #105) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:49 am

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I don't fucking recommend it but if you are going to rely on random draw for last election we might as well do it for all remaining elections. At least this way we'd know for sure that no liberals get thrown.

Reck we have to know for sure who is liberal among SS/mitilos. Choose one of us 4 for chancellor.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #106) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:43 pm

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So unless nsg is hitler we win.

Okay I suck at math and my previous calculations assumed that Reck couldn't pick NM. Go on.

Don't know why you'd be recommending this plan. Is nsg hitler?
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Post Post #555 (isolation #107) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:49 pm

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Fascist might try to vote nein if NM/nsg are both liberal but as long as we get 6 votes yes it'll still pass.

How does everyone feel about nsg?
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Post Post #557 (isolation #108) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:33 am

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Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. But what about Inspi practically admitting that SS is his teammate?
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Post Post #559 (isolation #109) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:28 am

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It's amazing how enlightening seeing a guy's alignment can be. You should try it.

Oh wait you did though.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #110) » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:14 am

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Please pick quickly so we can skip :)

Also 2.7 just neined his own election.

Nico why "Ja"?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #111) » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:55 pm

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I actually think 2.7's response was very townie. I hadn't thought of it like that. If I gave that explanation to my usual board game group I think I'd be treated as conf scum but it really makes sense as lib. My group's too shallow. I think that makes nico the last scum.

Of course we don't have actual election evidence for 2.7's slot. But it looks like nsg is scum by PoE. Or NM is scum but not hitler.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #112) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:07 am

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How obvious do you think he'd be though?

He's not exactly the most obvious townie. If I had 0 info I'd be unsure between you two. But inspi's actions around/toward you and your voting history compared to mitilos' points to you being allied with Inspi.

I wouldn't have pegged you for hitler it would come as a surprise for sure. We don't need to pick you though. Too late for that plan.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #113) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:24 am

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What happened to following the plan?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #114) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:42 pm

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In post 607, Mitillos wrote:@BuJ: I believe that your plan involved Reck picking someone between the four people involved in investigations. This doesn't mean we skip three times, and get a random policy first. That would have been a waste of an execution, something desirable only to fascists (*cough* inspi *unconvincing cough*), since it reduces the likelihood of a liberal wincon. The plan can still happen, now that it doesn't take 3 neins in a row to carry out.
That was my first plan when I thought reck can't pick NM if we skip 3 times. And I wanted someone else to do it even before the 3rd fascist policy was pased.
New plan was we skip until reck then reck picks NM then NM picks nsg
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Post Post #618 (isolation #115) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:20 pm

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First of all glad Rrck is not hitler.. I started to get paranoid him.
So Reck should be conf town to everyone.

Secondly Mitilos you are severely underestimating how much each vote matters. Yes we can shoot NR or 2.7 and if we hit hitler we win, but if we shoot a liberal we lose a vote which is huge right now. So if you really are a liberal you need to shoot the most likely scum by majority's opinion. I am telling you Inspi is scum. That's who we should shoot. Though if we are going with the 50-50 risky play my gut says 2.7 is town after the gambit. I don't think a fascist comes up with that reasoning for neining their own presidency. They'd be more concerned with how it'd look bad.

That said I don't think you should treat Inspi as non-hitler either. Yes it is true that he has made considerably more posts than the lurkers but also most of them are just opinions on what he claims is optimal play. As in mostly objective discussion not many reads. He also hasn't tried to advocate for anyone to be voted in at all like not even a little bit except for reck and NM which now that they're both 100% not hitler doesn't make sense except if he wants to get town cred.

I don't think SS or you is hitler because you maximized your chances to be voted in as a president by picking the most townread guy. Means you lost your chance to be hitler. SS because he chose to butt heads with you. See unlike inspi who I investigated so he had no choice in the matter, SS chose to check your alignment and then claim you are fascist. If you are not noth fascist which I doubt is the case, SS's behavior has been rather too brazen to be hitler.

For the record mitilos doesn't need votes to shoot. He has full authority. I really think if scum he'd go for the 1 for 1 trade and shoot reck or NM to cripple the libs even if it exposes him. Consider the evidence against him. Government voted in despite the less risky plan I laid out that only votes for confirmd non-hitlers. Butting heads with SS so already 50-50. Fascist policy passed while he is president. He is already on shaky ground. 4:5 fascist to lib is easily winnable because even if he outs himself and we shun him from elections we can't block his vote. From a strategy perspective he's wasting fascist time if he is fascist and doing this bs acting.
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Post Post #619 (isolation #116) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:25 pm

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Plus you know.. inspi and SS and their weird association, and we know now that reck is town for sure so he wasn't the one that threw the liberal.

Pretty sure the fascist are Inspi, SS, mallow and NR (or 2.7 but less likely).
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Post Post #621 (isolation #117) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:46 am

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I still can't believe that a guy involved in a 1v1 investigation conflict got voted as president.
You test people by picking them as chancellor in the first several elections not as president when there's a killing power.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #118) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:19 am

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I agree with you just not on killing power presidencies. Those go to conftown if we have them or most townread by majority.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #119) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:52 pm

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But we know that SS investigated Mitillos and claimed he was fascist.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #120) » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:00 am

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He's greedy and wants to try and win right now
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Post Post #645 (isolation #121) » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:20 pm

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I mean I want you to shoot Inspi on the off chance SS is being buddied and you're the fascist.

Though to be fair you could have shot reck or NM already as fascist.

If you really are town from your POV you should shoot SS and nobody else imo. It's your burden to show us you're town after that but in your position you only know 3 things for sure. Reck is not hitler. NM is not hitler. SS claimed you are a fascist.

If you're liberal you know there's no motivation for SS to do that as another liberal.

I don't agre that we need to take a risk and shoot nico. 5-4 guarantees we win every vote. All that needs to happen is to vote for the conftowns and we will win.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #122) » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:06 pm

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I don't understand your post
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Post Post #658 (isolation #123) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:15 pm

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Reck just in case.. if fascist is passed who will you shoot?
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Post Post #659 (isolation #124) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:21 pm

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If you say you will shoot player A who you think is hitler, we will know based on how fascist vote if he is actually hitler or not. Because it's you ane fascist will not be exposing themselves by voting no for your election, they will only do it if they think you will shoot hitler.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #125) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:23 am

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1 more to go
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Post Post #675 (isolation #126) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:23 pm

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What do you mean?
It won't get back to you. There's too many people.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #127) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:08 pm

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I'd like Reck to explain what he meant.
I'm fine with me, klick, or mitilos for chancellor.
I don't think 2.718 is fascist but taking him seems like a stupid risk when it was 50-50 between him and Nico and since killing doesn't reveal your alignment we don't know if he was fascist for sure.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #128) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:47 am

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In post 688, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:BuJaber whom did you think the scumteam was?
SS seemed really liberal to me at first but he also was one of the slots that could have thrown away a liberal (him and nsg and reck). Reck was obvtown though.
Couldn't really decide between SS and mitillos though after the investigation because of interactions with me and inspi. Could be that I was starting to believe my own fake associatives between SS and Inspi. Towards the end I was leaning towards mitillos being liberal to be honest. So that meant it had to be SS + maybe nico or mallow (who was pretty unreadable/unpredictable) with a slight possibility of nsg. But I knew if SS was liberal nsg would have to be the last scum.

This game just took way too long with people forgetting about it/not having anything to say. That sort of thing favors fascists in this game, unlike regular mafia, where town tend to be better off in longer games.

Ftr as a liberal I would have always investigated either me or inspi in SS's position.
As for my arguments for picking one of us 4 right after the investigation that I honestly believe is the optimal route for liberals. Nothing is really 100% in this game but that method gets you close to knowing the alignment of 2, possibly 4 people with some luck.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #129) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:55 am

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Yesh much appreciation for and a massive effort from ausuka for keeping it going and for modding it so well.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #130) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 702, 2 718281828459 wrote:3. We should have the opportunity to discuss the game between nomination and voting!! I voted JA because I trusted the president, and we had no chance to discuss BuJaber's possibilities of being hitler. In the real game, the only communication restriction is that you cannot talk during the legislative session.
Votes should still be finished within a week, though.
Is this true?

Because I always thought the president can say "I'll pick x" as many times as they want, but as soon as they officially pick players hsve to vote. Either way live game is different because it's much more fluid.. there's a lot of overlap sort of between the 'phases' because people can't talk and place votes in perfect unison.

@mitillos - I didn't want to investigate a fascist. Was hoping for liberal. However when I saw it was fascist I figured it's best to create TvS wifom. ESPECIALLY that I thought for sure whoever investigated the 2nd time would pick either me or inspi. If I called him a liberal and they investigate one of us that would expose BOTH of us.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #131) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:00 am

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This actually is a lesson to all. You correctly assumed I threw a liberal. But the whole playerlist was under the assumption that 2 people threw liberals. Turns out only 1 did. Deck ate the rest. Gotta be careful with assumptions.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #132) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:02 am

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(Mitilos was after the deck shuffle)
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Post Post #712 (isolation #133) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:57 pm

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Is it though?
Don't you think someone in your position would have been better off without that assumption putting you in the scum pool?

Why didn't you want any of the 'investigation 4' to be picked earlier? I as hitler was trying to argue from a town perspective I'm curious what about avoiding them makes it better for liberals?
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Post Post #714 (isolation #134) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:46 pm

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I guess this game is just not for me. Everytime I end up arguing what I think is optimal and someone gives me reasons why I'm wrong and I just can't see their point of view. You explain yourself incredibly well but I still don't get why what you're saying is better than knowing which is a fascist in a 1v1.

I stopped playing in real life I found myself arguing with both liberals and fascist all the time. At some point I realized it had to be me. This game confirms that it wasn't just my real life group. Plenty of other social deduction games out there that I feel I do quite well in. Just this particular game I can't figure out for some reason. Like my most recent games in real life was a few weeks before this started, and pretty much all of my reads were based on knowing the players very well and sometimes getting lucky but mostly not being able to convince people of my alignment and reads so they were worthless even if accurate.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #135) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:37 am

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You might be on to something.

I sometimes
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of myself as a mathematically oriented guy, and in most aspects of gaming/life I am, but in social deduction games over time I've realized I am better at reading people and (to a much lesser extent) deception because I project a lot of fake confidence. Resistance is one of my all time favorite games. Spyfall is another fantastic one. One night ultimate werewolf also but that's probably because of how goofy it can get and the fact that it's more fun to figure out how all the night actions fit together than it is to just find out who the wolves are.

I think I incorrectly place this game in the same subcategory because of how similar they are but in terms of actual winning strategy it is different. Before you mentioned it I never considered that resistance actually differs from this that much apart from this having more game altering factors like the deck and the presidential powers as opposed to only who did/said what and when. This one might belong in a different subcategory, and there will be overlaps but going into it a player must understand the differences also.

Of course the game we're all here for, Mafia can be considered the ultimate one because of the many different variations that fit the difderent personalities of players and also because in mafia these different ways to approach the game tend to complement each other. The best towns have a variety: people who are better at reads, people who are better at VCA, people who are better at setup spec, and so on. Though in real life mafia ends up being less fun because of how long it is/ how many people it needs/ how boring it is for dead people. Shame really.

Anyway thanks for indulging me. Definitely was worth trying it in a forum format.
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