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ok idk any of u but i did some theorizing pregame
mafia likely took two modifiers pregame, joat and daytalk meaning we have at most 4 townprs."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i doubt that mafia took all 3 mods"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im vex if u havent already figured that out
and the feeling goes both ways, its also nice to meet u"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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it gave me sth to do for a bit to kill timeIn post 12, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: ruru
@ofrhz: regular vla on fridays and saturdays!!!
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No offense but imo theorizing like this is kinda pointless; its basically impossible to know what scum has picked at this stage of the game; i think its a bit premature to guess the number of prs we have or what scum pickedIn post 8, Vex Vience wrote:ok idk any of u but i did some theorizing pregame
mafia likely took two modifiers pregame, joat and daytalk meaning we have at most 4 townprs.
I do agree that they prob didnt take three modifiers
from my math, joat counters three townprs so why wouldnt scum take joat? (bg, rber, tracker)
daytalk is also universally good hence why not take it?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i also do agree it could be a bit pointless but its better than nothing"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?
lolSkygazer wrote:VOTE: Creature
I've seen an accidental lolhammer on an IC that has yet to be revealed, can we make history and accidentally lynch an outed IC?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also sky, what game was that in?
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this is obvscum plz lynch this
only scum fail on their first post"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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to answer ur points:In post 27, skitter30 wrote:
aside, are you an alt? (feel free to ignore this if you like!)In post 13, Vex Vience wrote:it gave me sth to do for a bit to kill time
from my math, joat counters three townprs so why wouldnt scum take joat? (bg, rber, tracker)
daytalk is also universally good hence why not take it?
scum don't know what powers town are going to get and joat is useless against many of them; 1s ninja is useless if tracker isn't in the game, even then it's only worth one shot. 1s strongman is good against bg; i don't know how strongman and rb interact but again it's only one shot while town is given full tracker/bg/rb
(well i suppose to be fair it's good against goon cop)
on balnace i don't think it's worth it for scum to take prs when they don't know which prs town will get or how those prs stack up against scum's prs
like i think any 4 of {tracker/bg/ic/rb/vig/goon cop} is kinda weak against scum joat from a scum perspective, as is 5 of the town prs against joat + daytalk
the only scum modification that i think is kinda worth giving town more prs as scum is daytalk and that's like the only one i'd take i think as scum
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kinda townie reaction imoIn post 16, Gamma Emerald wrote:THIS IS STUPID
@vex: town!creature is very, very, very easy to identify most of the time
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i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbhIn post 17, Skygazer wrote:VOTE: Creature
I've seen an accidental lolhammer on an IC that has yet to be revealed, can we make history and accidentally lynch an outed IC?
if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?
out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)
also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick
i dont think scum would wanna take bp or recruit traitor because with 3 modifiers, the odds of vig appearing is 47%, basically a coinflip, and regardless its a useless modifier
vig just outs themselves once they hit a bp and then the bp mafia goon flips
sure if theres an rber that could fuck things up a bit but thats so unlikely that its negliable"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also about town!creature that was my thought based on gamma's reaction"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also to expand on why i dont think maf would recruit traitor:
it puts them down a mod first off, plus if theres no vig (and they took two mods), they can instantly tell if they hit the traitor barring any rber fucking with their results
traitor is 1s bp, and if the person they hit didnt die and they know they werent rb'd, they know instantly who the traitor is
i could see scum taking it as a third mod if they really really wanted it, but other than that, i highly doubt they wouldve recruited traitor"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i think scum were very likely to take:
daytalk, joat and rolecop if they took three
i don't think they did, and im 100% sure they did take daytalk meaning for me its between {joat/rc} for scum second mod"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yes thats a given fact that no two times will scum pick exactly the same thing but its a good starting point to try to figure out what we could be dealing with
ill take a look at the picks in a min"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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replies are in boldIn post 36, skitter30 wrote:
whether or not i ought to view you as a new player or notIn post 29, Vex Vience wrote:if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?
yes, i am an alt
not telling u who my main is tho
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ye but joat is only two shot and tracker/bg/rb can still affect that scum member after those shots are up, or if they didn't use the shots on the correct nightIn post 29, Vex Vience wrote:out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)
on balance i don't think it's worth it to give town more prs
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scum didn't take daytalk in the last two iterations of this setup (i don't know what happened before that)In post 29, Vex Vience wrote:also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick
daytalk hasnt been taken at all by my count
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i mean, i think we're out of rvs at this pointIn post 31, Skygazer wrote:
yet you don't opt to end rvs by voting me?In post 27, skitter30 wrote:i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh
why should i have voted you there?
between all 15 games:Enigma wrote:I've learnt my lesson about setup spec D1 in such set ups ...
Tbh you can look at past games run with this set up and you'll see that the picks wildly differ
bp: 0 times
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joat: 6 times
daytalk: 0 times
recruit traitor: 5 times
games with no mods picked: 2 or 3, didn't keep count of those"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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its also really helpful when mods post the endgame link in the op"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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looking at joat again:
if im rber/tracker and whoever i rb/track doesnt appear im not gonna try rbing/tracking them a second night
id just assume theyre vt not joat because rbing/tracking them a second night would be a waste right?
if i suspect them as scum whats stopping the other scumbuddy from preforming the kill, the onenotbeing targeted?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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roughly about 1.2 mods/gameIn post 41, Enigma wrote:Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.
What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.
which is quite interesting in general
if im scum id wanna take around two mods not one"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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y would me being an alt change people tring me?In post 44, Enigma wrote:
Even considering that he’s an alt?In post 40, skitter30 wrote:
yeah i agree overallIn post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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experience with semi-open setups like this one or c9++ or similar?In post 48, Enigma wrote:It’s likely that you might have experience with such setups. I’m pretty meh towards early reads anyways
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Agree with this. But I do think setup spec isn't too relevant at this point, it's wildly guessing and even if we were to agree on the number of PRs we wouldn't do anything with it for a while.In post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
@Vex Because if you would be a new player we could read bad reasoning as newbie reasoning
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also question
how would my experience (or lack there of) change anything about tring me?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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with this type of setup*In post 53, Vex Vience wrote:also question
how would my experience (or lack there of) change anything about tring me?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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thats fairIn post 56, HeWhoSwims wrote:= I'd feel like I'd be more forgiving to newbies who don't really put forward reads or play unconventionally, while I'd expect less so from experienced players, but that's me
im somewhat experienced at any rate"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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ive played enough to know what im doing at the very least"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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y? do u have anything ud rather discuss?In post 61, ruru wrote:Also how about we stop talking about how many prs we think scum can claim"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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what better things do u have to discuss?In post 66, skitter30 wrote:
why not? they already know how many prs town has; this convo doesn't change thatIn post 61, ruru wrote:Also how about we stop talking about how many prs we think scum can claim
i think overall there's *better* things to talk about than setup spec, but i don't think it's detrimental to anything at this stage either, and i think the setup spec is helping bring the game out of rvs anyways
im open to hearing them
im just discussing setup spec bc i got nothing better to discuss
explain, scum already know what they took and how many prs there could be.In post 67, ruru wrote:I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim
what case?In post 69, Almost50 wrote:Also, what do you think about my case on Sky? I think it's very convincing and I would appreciate your vote there. Thank you."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also enigma are u just generally against alts?
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dont like meta arguementsIn post 74, Enigma wrote:
Nah doesn't bother me so much, meta only takes you so far when scumhuntingIn post 73, Vex Vience wrote:also enigma are u just generally against alts?
im getting that feeling from u
thats why i made an alt
i agree on thisIn post 74, Enigma wrote:
Whilst I don't think its super productive, agree with Vex its fine to boot us out of RVS. I wouldn't say its helping scum unless people are literally softclaiming their TPRs, in which case helping scum CC is the least of our worries...In post 67, ruru wrote:I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim
its not helping scum bc no one is softclaiming their prs
im still also waiting on what else we could be discussing
where r u going with this?Almost50 wrote:Whoever casts the third vote on Sky gets a free pass from me for the rest of the day!
yes but what else is there to discuss rn is my pointruru wrote:Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR
ids the spec on what scum took hurting us
it got us out of rvs (which was sorta my purpose) and got discussion going
whats wrong with trying to get early discussion going?
duh im not planning on saying in like 3 irl days from now "what mods do u guys think scum took?"skitter30 wrote:@vex:
the qualifier was 'at this stage of the game' - it's helping us transition out of rvs so i'm fine with it for now; i wouldn't want to revert back to this discussion in several irl days after we've had legit wagons or something
for now it's fine since it's helping us get to the interesting things
rather get it done now bc that was the spec i did while waiting for scum to pick mods and to get my final rc"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i do agree with this:In post 81, Enigma wrote:
Why wouldn't scum just fake claim regardless of our discussion, claiming VT doesn't really help them out at L-1 anyways so at least could just take their chances with a CC bait or potentially get away with it?In post 78, ruru wrote:Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR
theres three ways this could go for scum if they claim pr:
1) they get hung with no cc, we get it confirmed that whatever they claimed isnt in the game
2) no one ccs, they get off free
3) someone ccs, they get hung, cc'er gets nk'd
better question here is why wouldnt scum claim pr on stand?
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idt scum would beIn post 77, Enigma wrote:I would be so upset if later this we find out that you weren't joking with this lol
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hm interesting ideaIn post 87, ruru wrote:If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt
but what makes you think that all 3 scum would claim pr on stand when at least one would get instantly cc'd?
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wdym?In post 89, Skygazer wrote:Guys you know how hypo innos are a thing?
Why don't we do hypo scum teams? If I'm the traitor then my partners are ruru and A50 pls dont crosskill me guys
yea that was something i was thinking about when specingIn post 90, Enigma wrote:
Hypothetically yes, but unfortunately town has a tendency to lynch VTs claims and let TPRs get off...In post 87, ruru wrote:If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt
Another thing is that there is very little defence once a TPR is outed in this set up. No docs, watchers, JKs, etc. Bodyguard is less than ideal - i.e. very little to discourage scum NKing TPRs if they CC.
once a tpr gets outed, theyre dead which would discourage scum from claiming pr right?
if im scum and a tpr outs themselves im killing them 100% of the time which means that if someone outs themselves as a tpr why wouldnt scum kill them unless they were scum all along?
which ik that brings up the entire "what if they decide not to kill them to try to frame them as scum" argument but for simplicity rn, lets ignore it
we can always discuss it later
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Because it's fun.In post 79, skitter30 wrote:@a50 why wagon sky?
And also bc it's good for the game.
Well, it's as good as any other wagon really, but my vote is already there and so is ruru's, so if you want to be our third I'd be obliged. (It's still be L-4 you know, and N_M isn't even in this game if it makes you feel any better)"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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y do u like ruru?In post 97, Antihero wrote:
yeah if creature doesn't fall into lurkerdom, he's town so kind of a waste of IC but thems the breaksIn post 18, Vex Vience wrote:im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?
i like ruru's entrance
a50's not so much
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(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞In post 101, Enigma wrote:
Explain?In post 97, Antihero wrote:i like ruru's entrance
also ....
pedit: sigh
how confident are you in sky being the traitor?Almost50 wrote:Sky's entrance to the game is alarming. Everything she said so far "could" be interpreted as a mere joke. However -in my experience- joking about lynching the IC always comes from scum. And her last post/joke is even more alarming. I feel like it's been made for the sole purpose of declaring herself as the true traitor. It's as if she took ruru's earlier post about the traitor as an inquiry and is responding to it in fashion.
So,my case on Sky is she is the Traitor
o i c this escalated very quicklyEnigma wrote:
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also a50 do u have games where someone joking about lynching ic was scum?
just curious
also wanna hear from sky a bit more
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and how confident are you in that?Almost50 wrote:
About the same level of confidence you are Town in this game.In post 106, Vex Vience wrote:how confident are you in sky being the traitor?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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trying to figure out how confident u are in sky being scum
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please see these quotes:In post 110, skitter30 wrote:
i dont know if it matters or if it's relevant or anything but i'm not gettng a newb vibe from himIn post 95, HeWhoSwims wrote:Vex feels townish so far even though it looks like some sort of newbtown enthusiasm. Eh. He's contributing much which is enough for the day.
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thats fairIn post 56, HeWhoSwims wrote:= I'd feel like I'd be more forgiving to newbies who don't really put forward reads or play unconventionally, while I'd expect less so from experienced players, but that's me
im somewhat experienced at any rate
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what do u expect from town!ruru?In post 110, skitter30 wrote:don't particularly like ruru thus far; everything she's saying is kinda inane and about the pr stuff but isn't actually cotributing anything useful or game-moving imo and that's not really what i expect from town!ruru
idt scum would be this blatant as well, however, i havent played with sky under my main so idkIn post 110, skitter30 wrote:another thing that's bothering me about this is that i don't know if scum is so ... conspicuous about voting the ic and naming themselves traitor?
scum!sky could be this blatant, but by the same token why would scum be that blatant?
i dont have one actually. i was just curious about what u were thinking, thats allIn post 111, Almost50 wrote:What's your problem with getting a wagon going anyway and see what happens? Wagons are generally good early on D1. They get people to react faster, they provide reads, and they are a good reference later on. Even you don't buy the case.. even if there is no case to begin with.. just wagon someone to L-2 and see what happens. Hell, if it needs be.. we can run TWO competing wagons at the same time and see who votes which and why.
@sky, what do u have to say about what a50 said?
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do u have something u wanna say or no?In post 113, ruru wrote:In post 102, Almost50 wrote:However -in my experience- joking about lynching the IC always comes from scum."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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will doIn post 119, Almost50 wrote:Ok, first one that I tripped on (not the one I was looking for, but it'll do). We (myself and Chara as a hydra) were revealed as the IC, and we received 2 votes on page one. NSG wasn't Scum (actually she was the Cop, and sometimes.. just sometimes.. TPRs do some scummy stuff). Elmo was the other vote and she was indeed scum.
But that's NOT my only point. I have 2 other points against Sky now: Her meta and her Traitor claim. I;ve already explained the later. As for her meta, I think skitter (for one) would agree this isn't the way way Sky enters her games as a Townie. She tends to be pushing the game forward from the word go. It'd make my like much easier if you just went to her profile and clicked her topics and took a look on how Town Sky usually enters the game. This is some weird entrance by her to say the least. She's likely the Traitor and she simply didn't know how to play it.
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idl this post in generalruru wrote:Okay fine I'll make an effortpost
About this, I don't actually care about arguing with people whom I think are super wrong about mechanical stuff unless it's going to change the outcome of the gameIn post 122, skitter30 wrote:i expect town!ruru to be more opionated/stubborn almost? like if she thinks you're wrong about the pr stuff i kinda expect a long novel about why exactly you're wrong. like she wasn't as forceful about it as i'd expect her to be if that makes sense
In this case a lot of the setup spec that was bothering me was already done and people aren't really doing it anymore
It's like pretty hard for me to take your vote on me seriously when you already called it a "pressure vote" and like I pretty much expect you to read me correctly before eod anyway regardless of your alignment? And I'd rather just be shitposting loli said a couple of times that i wanted to pressure her and i kinda expect town!her to engage with that in some way, or to like respond to me? she knows i can locktown her pretty easily as town so avoiding that feels kinda wrong?
the whole "ok fine ill make an effort post" thing seems odd to me
y would u just now be like "ok ill take the game seriously" when we already have been for a few pages?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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y do u see it as null?In post 138, FrankJaeger wrote:Ok done.
It's late but here's some super raw thoughts-
I don't see what Sky said as a scum move. Well, I actually don't know what to think of it. Not exactly towny either.
I'll call it null for now.
how about u tell us what u saw while watching avatar?Skygazer wrote:lied about catching up im just gonna watch avatar tonight instead"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also sky, y change your profile to include "im town" in it?
just now noticed that"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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whats ur stance on sky then?In post 149, HeWhoSwims wrote:I don't townread her. I was meaning to say that the reasoning was sound"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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idt i see itIn post 156, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Sir, don't do this to me. I will not hesitate to tell the class why I think this is wrong, especially from you.In post 102, Almost50 wrote:Sky's entrance to the game is alarming. Everything she said so far "could" be interpreted as a mere joke. However -in my experience- joking about lynching the IC always comes from scum. And her last post/joke is even more alarming. I feel like it's been made for the sole purpose of declaring herself as the true traitor. It's as if she took ruru's earlier post about the traitor as an inquiry and is responding to it in fashion.
So,my case on Sky is she is the Traitor
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gammas null for me rn.
y dont u like his entrance?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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its w/e should be passing remarks
id like to hear from some others on sky v a50 tbh namely why gamma thinks a50 is wrong"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i have some preliminary reads going on but id like to get more posts from everyone else before i post it
half of u are null because u havent posted a lot
also gamma can u explain without outing an alt?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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@mod how long until creature gets replaced?
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glad to see u could finally join usIn post 173, Creature wrote:Don't worry, I won't be an inactive IC.
yea, i could see 4 tprs being troubling for them but y would they take two mods if they couldn't handle 4 tprs?In post 174, Creature wrote:
Huh? Four town PRs might be troubling for them.In post 8, Vex Vience wrote:ok idk any of u but i did some theorizing pregame
mafia likely took two modifiers pregame, joat and daytalk meaning we have at most 4 townprs.
id personally not have recruited traitor.In post 178, Creature wrote:
I'd just do recruit mafia traitor, at most do daytalk too.In post 33, Vex Vience wrote:i think scum were very likely to take:daytalk, joat and rolecop if they took three
its about a 50% chance of town getting vig with daytalk + recruited traitor, about 60% without daytalk but recruiting traitor
odds of vigi appearing arent high enough to really justify recruiting traitor and sacing their bp
if the kill doesnt go through maf knows who traitor is
currently am tring enigma and skitterCreature wrote:Page 3
ruru town
skitter and Vex too
Tempted to townread Enigma too
what about ruru is telling u she's town?
y do u make this seem like only u do it?In post 184, ruru wrote:
You should probably read more of my early d1 meta if this is a serious concernIn post 180, skitter30 wrote:this might be a weird thing to say but i kinda think that shitposting is kinda more likely to come from scum!you? you're pretty competitive as either alignment and i feel like town!you would have gotten into the game already and not have to be like drawn out of rvs and that you'd have more of a presence but i can kinda see scum!you affecting a shitposting/meme-y style so that if people question you why you're acting different you can say that you're just shitposting
Historically you read me accurately on d1, so it would be similar to a guiltyeli5 why this is correct play? (ie specifically why you get lynched before me and why everyone ought to lynch you because i'm scumreading you)
Sometimes I write a post and realize that it contains scumtells or that I would to some extent scumread it, and then I either delete it or post it anywaylike someone saying their own posts are scumpinging them is kinda strange?
(also I'm more likely to delete as scum)
scum would try to minimize the odds of whatever they post containing a slip by re-reading it and thinking about it no?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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font looks alright, just smallIn post 187, ofrhz wrote:In post 176, Creature wrote: Me being IC or the font?Looks like my browsers weren’t rendering the font properly so it looked okay to me. Let me know if it is still hard to read, since I can’t tell the difference."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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trying to make posts you havent made seem more townie is a given thing scum will doIn post 190, ruru wrote:
y do u make this seem like i make this seem like only i do it?In post 186, Vex Vience wrote:y do u make this seem like only u do it?
y bring that up?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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UNVOTE: sky
@mod v/la for 48 hours
apparently i have like 2 essays due in like 3 days
will try to post when i have a minute
quick thought as well: was thinking that sky couldve been using the changing avatar to have "im town" as a method of confirming herself as town but i found that too angleshooty to be true
good play regardless sky
Thanks for the heads up -ofrhzLast edited by ofrhz on Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:07 am, edited 1 time in total."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i mean y else would u be voting him past rvs unless u were scumreading him / not townreading him?
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i would tell u to go look at my mains games but thatd defeat the entire point of using an alt w/ a different typing styleHeWhoSwims wrote:Kinda feel the same about Vex who has done a looooot of setupspec and asking questions which... doesn't quite put him in my townpile... (and using u and y over you and why is only strengthening that! )
tl;dr is that i ask a lot of questions as town
also, im using u and y over you and why to try to distance myself from my main. do u have a problem with that?
is everyone really that townie or am i just bad at the game?In post 237, Almost50 wrote:
I am. I mean, I have no reads "carved in stone" yet, but I am indeed TRing everyone aside from Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald.In post 222, Enigma wrote:A50, you townreading ruru then?
havent really seen anything else that calls my attention and my reads list from earlier is mostly the same still
i think skitter + enigma are town, a50 + sky could be town, but im not really sure. kinda inclinded to believe that sky is town bc of the changing avatar thing
everyone else is kinda hanging out around null
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a lot of the things im getting from reading back are just fluff or something i dont really see anything from
once we start getting reads posted and shit ill be able to actually start reading ppl better"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also thinking about it some more, @hws why is asking a lot of questions not townie to u?
the entire point is to get someone to clarify their stance no?
if ur forced to clarify what u mean itd help everyone no?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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starting to like ruru a bit
dont get the scumread on mwnn. how can u scumread someone whos been on vla the entire game?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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