Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

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FA is asleep so toranaga is the one posting until she announces otherwise

how is everyone today?

FA is not allowed to steal that tag this time

They don't even have the name in this game...

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Because I'm the pretty one.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

There are limits on the limits of perspective:

Because I'm the pretty one.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Well that did not work - lets try again

Because I'm the pretty one.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

There are limits on the limits of perspective:

Hi hi!

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^ ....

You are not on he correct account.

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your thoughts on what's going on in the game?

Duck is fine for now. Not so sure about FFT...

Not a bad place to start VOTE: fft

Seems hesitant to actually go into reasoning.

pedit: Can you give me one damn second nero.

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I told you why for FFT. Duck is active and not pulling any punches. Not really something I would expect for scum this early.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

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If activity was the source of my read you would have a point.

Duck is

active

and not pulling any punches

[/u][/i]. Not really something I would expect for scum this early.

There is no way that you are this dense.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

I didn't say that he could not have. I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread. Pork was not going down either. That self hammer was rather asinine. The game had barely started and pork was really the first wagon. It looks more like simply giving up to me more than anything.

Nero looks like porks most likely partner for the reasons that I pointed out eod.

VOTE: nero

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D1 ended pretty quickly

OK, let me be more precise then:

First player post (#5 by Kokichi) was made @Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:11 pm (my time)
Jeanne posted the flip @Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:42 pm (again, my time)

That's 150 minutes short of a full 72 hours.

From the OP:

I will prod players after 48 hours of inactivity.

And yet I don't see a prod has been issued.

It is also a bit strange nobody even cared to poke Pernicious or exclaim about their total absence. Or maybe I missed it while I skimmed the thread?

The point is the game is into D2 and if Pernicious hasn't been in contact with the mods during the night they would have probably had him replaced already. Ya feel me?

Why did this strike you as the most important thing to open the day with? Why nothing on the actual content that was there day one and the results?

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ugh creature wasn't on page 1 actually

@creature: what were you talking about in that post?

I don't think that reading into the page one post is worth anything but a headache of WIFM.

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sorry I didn't mean to start a discussion on mod things while in game, I'll leave it for post

creature thinking he might have a guilty is towny so there's that

FA_Q2 could be a reasonable lynch

I don't mind lynching pernicious parrot either

-tor

Why are you willing to lynch the slot that has 0 posts? And why are you not voting me or parrot? You state I could be a 'reasonable lynch' but don't actually have a vote there as though you are testing the waters and going for the low hanging fruit.

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Why are you willing to lynch the slot that has 0 posts?

Exactly bc of that!! 70 hrs on D1 and 48 hrs on D2 and they never posted, and are still not prodded or replaced.

The fact that they were not prodded or replaced is not something that a vote addresses. Rather than looking for content from that poster you are looking for the easy vote. As emerald pointed out, nothing there is AI and you simply blew that off.

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post 319, FA_Q2"]I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering.

Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

makes then sorta kinda look like buddies. This (bold) kinda pinged my NKA radar.
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So you think scumme would have specifically pointed out the NK in the game thread when I could simply have not posted anything at all?

There is not even a point with you anymore - you are just throwing random shit at the wall.

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VOTE: Creative Mod

Ellitell. Need I say more?

outside game thread tells are awful. I know it's allowed here and I think nothing of you saying it as a result, cause it's fair game, but I really don't think it should be allowed at all. where do you draw the line? if you can do this, what can you not do, then? and how is that fair? mafia should be fair.

just my 2c.

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I assumed he was referring to POE. What the hell is ellitell? I cant find it on mafiwiki unless I am particularly dumb today.

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

I don't understand maria. She is my strongest town read. What makes you think she is scum?

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

Though this is theorycrafting more than anything, this has been repeated several times by more than just you and I don't fully understand the logic here. You think the last 2 votes on an early wagon for the scum RB are both scum votes? There is likely one scum on that wagon and one off IMHO but I would venture a guess that the scum is more likely in the middle of that group - not the 2nd to last after pig self hammers.

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What the hell is ellitell?

Ellitell (2012): People who are active in all games save one are scum in said game.

I second frozen's opinion of that idea. I do not find activity a tell one way or another - particularly if it is compared to outside games.

Why assume that scum is going to be less active? This seems to be a common theme here on this site and is nonsensical to me. There is no reason that a scum would avoid being active unless they were trying to lurk a wagon away and even then site wide activity would really not be relevant in that case.

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Hey FAQ2, how do you feel about Wisdom?

I don't yet. That slot has almost no interaction yet and wisdom has not really explained his position much and why.

I want to know reasoning behind wisdom's reads first.

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

I don't understand maria. She is my strongest town read. What makes you think she is scum?

you haven't played with her enough

Then help me out here. What am I missing.

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I don't see why scum NK votes Pork there for Pork to self hammer. That vote was never gonna give him credit it was just gonna make him look bad.

yet ppl ARE town reading the whole of the Pork voters, at least I think Nancy and FA_Q2 are.

And like scum Pork going down I really wouldn't be that surprised to see scum trying to claw their way onto that wagon. Thats probs why FA_Q2 is mad he wasn't here to do so.

Nancy is. I sure as heck am not. It is unlikely IMHO that there is not 1 scum on and off the wagon.

You are just self justifying with that last bit of garbage though. I was not mad - I was surprised that the day ended so abruptly with the holy grail of asinine shit to do - self hammer. Did not get much of a chance to actually play the game D1.

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wait, did FA replace out?

No. Catching up now. Was distracted yesterday over the senate hearing.

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It's quite annoying my target has done absolutely nothing today.

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I tire of the back and forth here of you claiming some sort of guilty. I was your target but what you targeted me with is not AI AFAIK. If that is not the case then you are going to need to explain. I have no idea what you are trying to do playing at a guilty. Unless I am missing what you used, none of this is adding up. I was not going to out it unless you actually asked me to but your posts are now hurting town with confusion..

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I mean Frozen Angel

This is why I hate that shorthand - everywhere else I am FA.

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Can't players just pretend I don't have a guilty?

Not anymore. Your play at a guilty looks like role fishing. We have one scum caught. A guilty would put town in an amazing position. What are you trying to accomplish by beating around the bush?

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how do you know that Creature target you?

He sent me a message that said he wanted to know that I am town.

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*that he was town.

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

What is this duck? You were hard scum reading me, I did not post anything and then you are null reading me. Why?

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I don't see why scum NK votes Pork there for Pork to self hammer. That vote was never gonna give him credit it was just gonna make him look bad.

yet ppl ARE town reading the whole of the Pork voters, at least I think Nancy and FA_Q2 are.

And like scum Pork going down I really wouldn't be that surprised to see scum trying to claw their way onto that wagon. Thats probs why FA_Q2 is mad he wasn't here to do so.

Nancy is. I sure as heck am not. It is unlikely IMHO that there is not 1 scum on and off the wagon.

You are just self justifying with that last bit of garbage though. I was not mad - I was surprised that the day ended so abruptly with the holy grail of asinine shit to do - self hammer. Did not get much of a chance to actually play the game D1.

What do you think about this post?

I dunno, it seems kind of defensive? Also, why is he so convinced that there has to be one scum on wagon? Why is he so sure, it’s not an alltown wagon? I mean except for Pork, obviously.

I am not 'sure.' That is why I said it is unlikely.

Why are you so positive that it is an all town wagon. An early all town wagon where scum self hammers....

Where does that make sense?

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

I don’t think Creature is scum, just kind of frustrating. Nos had him as his #1 townread. QT’s Nero vote is NAGL. I’m just trying to figure out if that means he and Wisdom are linked or if that’s just a coincidence.

What does Nos read on creature have to do with him not being scum?

It is a really big assumption that scum are going to avoid targeting a player because one of them is a TR.

NAGL?

Tell me there is a master listing of acronyms. There are decidedly more than I remember from my games here before.

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I am not 'sure.' That is why I said it is unlikely.

Why are you so positive that it is an all town wagon. An early all town wagon where scum self hammers....

Where does that make sense?

what do you think of MY theory?

On koki?

I can see that. Did not really give it as much thought as I should have when you posted it.

I am unwilling to go anywhere until this creature BS is sorted out though.

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I tire of this day. You want to lynch me duck - do it tomorrow. Jumping off the wagon was rather bizarre so late and I am unsure of why you were defending me so hard before (and why suddenly that changed).

VOTE: wisdom

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You did not even give a chance for cee to react to the L1. That really lets him off the hook.

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I tire of this day. You want to lynch me duck - do it tomorrow. Jumping off the wagon was rather bizarre so late and I am unsure of why you were defending me so hard before (and why suddenly that changed).

VOTE: wisdom

What part of me being a hydra, do you not understand?

I am in a hydra with tw. He’s the one who “defended” you not me but if Wisdom flips red, I promise to apologize - if I am still alive. Ok?

sorry I was not clear.

That was in reference to WISDOM hard defending me.

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No, its not. And there is nothing really to say other than why have we not lynched wisdom yet?

It seems that almost the entire game scum reads him - get it done already or finish me off. This asinine day needs to end.

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The only thing I don't understand about Wisdoms hop off is why he did it before ceejay answered if it was just a pressure vote. I'm sure if someone was gonna hammer we'd have intent.
Wisdom wagon is bad though

Because it was not a pressure vote maria.

Is it not blatantly obvious. Wisdom said loudly and clearly that he does not care about getting content there by not only jumping off but directly stating it is just a 'pressure' vote that he is willing to take away before getting any actual content.

Of it was an actual pressure vote he would have said to not hammer cee before he responded. You know, like happens in almost every single L-1 situation.

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I don't scumread you FAQ2

kill ceejay with me?

I can do ceejay as that is likely wisdom's partner. Wisdom is more informative as a flip than ceejay though and needs to be sorted.

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I am your watcher. No information.

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I have no patience left for you nero - buzz off.

When I flip, you are all going to ignore every damn thing I said anyway so do whatever you want.

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No, they don't. They have been played and don't want to realize it.

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scum. I am green.

and I got no results.

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I have. There just is not a whole lot of point of saying anything to you at all.

I targeted maria. And that information does nothing for you at all. It made for nice theater while you tried to look like you were doing something useful though.

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How is that confusing.

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