Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[Almost50]

I'm travelling from this weekend and for next week, so posting will be limited and probably in batches

I didn't know time traveling could be done in short patches. Why can't you wait for next week to come instead?

[Almost50]

Btw, I'm an informed townie. I know this game is single ball and the scum team is of 3 members. There are probably many 1-shot investigatives and many 1-shot protectors. I won't crumb/hint my role. Let's just call say I'm basically a VT starting D2 (and will still get shot anyway).

Signed: Dr.Monkey

[Almost50]

Dr Monkey come join this NM wagon with me

I do NOT lynch N_M. It's a policy "don't" lynch.

[Almost50]

Hello
VOTE: A50
Because I have a sense of humor.

Voting me borders on blasphemy

[Almost50]

i have regular v/la on fridays and saturdays!

Fridays is a restaurant. Saturdays is a clothing brand. I don't see the relation between the two.

[Almost50]

i'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to get hypo-innos out there but haven't come to anything conclusive

i think that a cop giving a hypo-inno each day will be kinda confusing when they flip given that they may have given several hypo-innos at that point but only one (at most) is true

i'm kinda thinking that a cop with a guilty should out it tho given that everyone is one-shot

Cops claim after the fact, meaning the N1 Cop (if any) will out at the start of D2 and give us their result.

Everyone else remains fair game for scum. They may shoot a N5 Cop (and the game could end on D4) or may shoot a Doctor (regardless of what night they act that's not what scum need).

Now, you've seen me get NK'd as a claimed VT. Now it's time for you to witness me getting NK'd as a claimed N1 Doctor.

[Almost50]

@Spaghetti: nm=N_M = Not_Mafia = a player in this game whom I like too much to vote for the lynch. (You will see why when he graces us with his presence).

Hypo-inno: A process of hypothetical claims where everyone says "if I'm the Cop I have an innocent result on <player name>", and is usually used to get the cop delivering their results without having to out (so as not to get shot next). It is not needed in this setup because the Cops are all one shot, so whoever does get a result will explicitly out and then be a vanilla townie from that point on.

[Almost50]

if you are a doctor can you say who you saved when you use your ability?

Of course. I can state my target the day after.

[Almost50]

Btw, since you are new.. do NOT try to learn HOW TO PLAY from me. I play in the most unorthodox of ways and if you try to imitate me you will get yourself lynched every time.

[Almost50]

okay thank you dr monkey but you should not not kill people because you like them because then you get back stab by your friends and that will make you sad

It's a stance conclusive to N_M, and -for some odd reason- it goes both ways. He doesn't fancy voting me either. It's fun when everybody knows what's going on, like.. "guys, I think this is a scum slot but I won't be voting them, so do as you will".

If you want my advice, stick to playing games with players from this game's players list in the near future. Most are fun to play with regardless of alignment. You'll come to enjoy playing the game no matter what your alignment and/or the outcome of the game

[Almost50]

@a50: i guess the one thing i'm a little nervous about doing that is that with innos it'll give scum a list of people who have been cleared and/or are cops (possibly?) each day which will tell them who to kill and give them a better idea of what everyone else may be, especially since scum know the spread of docs/cops

Well, let's say X is a N1 Cop. They claim Y is innocent on D2. Scum can shoot Y on N2, but then the Cop is still alive. Now what if we have 2 N1 Cops? Scum don't know who is what and what night they act.

What you should be worried about is scum faking an inno on a townie for town credit and being treated as a townie for the rest of the game. They know exactly how many Doctors/Cops are there so they know what to fake claim too. Like, I could be faking Doctor now because I'm scum and know it's 4 Doctors & 6 Cops, so I have room to maneuver as a claimed Doctor, and being a N1 Doctor explains why I'm not getting shot anyway. In this case you might want to lynch me on D4 (say) just to be sure.

P.S. I've played and modded this setup before.

[Almost50]

Note: Spaghetti is very polite I don't want to lynch him today either.

@Spaghetti: From my response to skitter you should get a glimpse of what I'm talking about. Let me sum it up for you:

1- I've claimed on page 1.. that's NOT orthodox play
2- 8 players on the list already know me well enough, so my claim means absolutely nothing for them (explained later)
3- As town I could be a N1 Doctor, or I could be a N4 Doctor. I could even be a N2 Cop aiming to survive until I do get my night of action. That means scum won't trust my claim anyway as I'm known to do bluffs.
4- As scum I could also be faking (as I explained to skitter) to keep the suspicions on me down. Town should not trust my claim either.
5- This play style -in general- gets me SR'd by people who play me for the first time. It also often gets me shot by scum on N1 because they don't really know what to make of my explicit claims. As scum though, it makes me a prime investigating target so isn't a very good tactic for scum!me, but then I'd be suspected by those who know me if I didn't play this way.

[Almost50]

why?

LOL.. she knows me too well.

Here's another tip: see the "search" button at the top right corner of your screen. Once you click it type "skitter", and then when the results show type "Almost50". We've played a lot together of late, and she kind of learnt to interpret some of my gibberish correctly.

[Almost50]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

What state are you from, and which office are you running for? I mean, this is probably the only way I

would

vote you.

[Almost50]

I'm in a state of intoxication and I'm running from my problems

[Almost50]

I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

VOTE: implosion

[Almost50]

Actually

VOTE: Penguin Power

Not changing this vote for the rest of the game until Penguin is lynched

Good! We're getting somewhere.

50% N_M is Town and PP is scum.
40% N_M is scum tunneling town.
10% N_M is Town and reading PP the wrong way.
0% N_M & PP are scum together.

[Almost50]

oh god so many important scummers

I'm flustered fufu




Notmaf I havent played with you before I don't think but do u wanna fight me 1v1 rn

That depends, do you say scone or scone?

Personally, I don't say anything. I hate to talk with my mouth full!

[Almost50]

Actually

VOTE: Penguin Power

Not changing this vote for the rest of the game until Penguin is lynched

Good! We're getting somewhere.

50% N_M is Town and PP is scum.
40% N_M is scum tunneling town.
10% N_M is Town and reading PP the wrong way.
0% N_M & PP are scum together.

Ew. Bad post.

Besides the fact that if I were scum, your 0% is the most likely scenario...why would you not vote me over implosion given your stance?

Cuz I'm not out of spam mode yet, that's why.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I am going to bed soon, and don't want my vote to be taken seriously while I'm a sleep.

P.S. It's scummy to remove your RVS vote without voting someone else. I mean, why does one feel the need to remove an obvious spam vote?

[Almost50]

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

idk.

There was a time when I used to read Gamma accurately.. until I rolled scum with him, and from then on I auto-SR his play and try my best not to lynch him until it's mechanically necessary because I know I am biased.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Yes.. that Varsoon game messed up my way of reading you

[Almost50]

i do know not mafia names now but i dont want to use it because it is confusing with town and mafia roles

That's part of why we call him NM or N_M

[Almost50]

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

Technically he didn't call you a liar. he just said what you said was a lie.

Like, if I told you I have a dinosaur in my backyard I'd be lying, but if I said skitter does I'd probably be spreading a lie she told me but I'm not necessarily lying myself because maybe I believe her.

But then you did say

you

never saw BN_M this active, so you were reporting for yourself, so maybe he did call you a liar??

But then maybe you just forgot, so it wasn't an actual lie, bur rather a memory slip, so maybe he's not calling you a liar after all.

How's that for a silly conversation??

[Almost50]

I see implosion is actually trying to get us out of RVS (and of dual tunneling mode), so I say that is a town slot. (My first "declared" serious read)

O am actually waiting for people to show up and start doing real stuff, but I am probably going to give it a 48 hrs window from the game start to start pushing the inactives and poking the shit posters.

[Almost50]

a50 you're really tempting me to vote you instead of more-or-less claimed scum. Can you not do that.

It's been a long time since you played me, right? I've transformed into an even more sarcastic player.

But don't worry, I'll play the game as soon as I am fully awake.

[Almost50]

also who is bn_m you mean n_m or miltank or does the b mean something?

Yes he means N_M. The additional b is a typo (n is right next to b on the keyboard)

[Almost50]

What is dual tunneling mode? Does implosion do that a lot?

NVM that. It was reference to the Gamma=PP relation in which both appear to be tunneling each other.

[Almost50]

okay bujy's logic is faulty but I can't see any scum motivation for what they're trying to do

So far you haven't pointed out a single "scum motivation" behind any post made by any player. Are you TRing the whole list? (Or at least everyone who did post)

[Almost50]

there is too many pokemon!

Well, at least we have enough milk to last us for the next couple of years.

[Almost50]

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Lay your cards then. Why do you suspect me? Why PP? Do you think we're scum together or are the SRs separate?

[Almost50]

What's "contribution?"

I think it's "the state of feeling remorseful and penitent".

[Almost50]

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

[Almost50]

no teacher i am not not voting i am voting lilly i said that

For your vote to be counted you need to type:

[ b ] v o t e : player [ / b ]

OR

[ v ] player [ / v ]

P.S. Remove the spaces in both examples
P.S.2 there is also a vote tag if you are quoting or previewing that will automatically insert the [ vote ] [ /vote ] tags and you just type the player name in between, but I don't want to confuse you more, so just use [ v ] [ / v ] and type the name in between

[Almost50]

2 replace outs already? What's with players signing up for games they don't intend to play nowadays?

[Almost50]

It's [redacted] and [redacted]. At least they won't fake claim Masons together.

[Almost50]

You sure it's Postie? RC must've got me. I ISO'd the hydra in open 677 and thought it was RC & Titus!

[Almost50]

2 replace outs already? What's with players signing up for games they don't intend to play nowadays?

Are you playing?

I am today.

[Almost50]

For the record the circumstances of my pred's replace out made me think the slot was scum, I was pleasantly surprised to be town.

I'm going to start reading now.

I dunno if this qualifies for an Amished tell.

[Almost50]

okay maybe the miltank is a mafia role because they are trying to make me fail and they are voting the penguin who i dont think has done anything bad

The penguin has done the bad thing of being scum

That's not his own doing though. The mod made him that way. "Hate the act. Don't hate the person".

[Almost50]

also my quote bbcode did not work properly i found the tag in the preview option but it is not like other people do i even copy pasted lillys name just to be sure but it does not work like everyone else does

Mate. When you want to vote someone just type:

[ v ] [ / v ]

And insert the name of the player you want to vote between the ][

So, if you want to vote me (say)

[ v ] A50 [ / v ] with no spaces will look exactly as everybody else's votes.

[Almost50]

Almost50 is most likely the third scum.

Why "third"? Why not FIRST?

[Almost50]

People aren't going to lay the fuck off of my slot if we don't set up a system like that and I'd prefer we not end up with something stupid like 3 people copping me the same night that I die.

Chances of there being 3 Cops acting at the same night are minimal. That said, I suggest any N1 Cop does it and get it done with. Hell, if it didn't sound scummy I would have asked that if there is a N1 Cop that they claim now so I can protect them and we know the alignment of your slot at the start of D2 (if there are more than one N1 Cop only ONE should claim though, as I can't protect you both).

[Almost50]

2 replace outs already? What's with players signing up for games they don't intend to play nowadays?

Are you playing?

I am today.

hi today, I'm dad.

[Almost50]

People aren't going to lay the fuck off of my slot if we don't set up a system like that and I'd prefer we not end up with something stupid like 3 people copping me the same night that I die.

Chances of there being 3 Cops acting at the same night are minimal. That said, I suggest any N1 Cop does it and get it done with. Hell, if it didn't sound scummy I would have asked that if there is a N1 Cop that they claim now so I can protect them and we know the alignment of your slot at the start of D2 (if there are more than one N1 Cop only ONE should claim though, as I can't protect you both).

You're claiming N1 doc?

^This proves you're not reading

[Almost50]

I also claim N1 doctor.

Can a N1 cop claim and then I'll doc the cop, A50 will doc me?

If a N1 Cop claim then

sure!

[Almost50]

this is just a idea and i dont know if it is good and we dont have to do it if it is bad but would it help if doctors who claim on a day get cop visited the next day so we know that they tell the truth?

so if someone says they are day 2 doctor on day 3 then day 3 cop checks that they told the truth?

This can be arranged according to how the game is going. Let me not complicate matters for you by listing possibilities that may or may not happen.

[Almost50]

If we're copping me D1 we're also setting docs on me or we're just not doing it.

You are not going to act as a functional lightning rod, no fucking way

he's not acting like one. All we need if for one N1 Cop to confirm here and that'll be it. If there are any other Doctors/Cops acting on N1 they don't even need to claim and they can do whatever they like.

[Almost50]

if the cop claims and dies tonight i will do everything i can to get you lynched tomorrow

OK. Although there's an obvious gap in your logic in that I will be protecting M&M and

they

will be protecting the Cop.

[Almost50]

what if there is no night 1 cop and doctors are known for no reason and 1 might die!

Doctors dying means Cops live. It's good for town still.

[Almost50]

ye my point is that if they're making up being a n1 doc and/or choose to target someone else and the cop thus dies i will find that incredibly suspicious

I agree, but you should be more suspicious of the claimed Doctor whose protection target died, given that there's no Roleblocker & no Strongman.

[Almost50]

I have no bloody mechanical reads. All I have is tone and gut

I don't want to lynch: PP/M & M/Creature/Gamma/BuJ/N_M/implosion/Spoogheti/skitter

This leaves Carcalilly/CreativeMod/Lovebird for my D1 lynch pool.

That doesn't mean I TR all of those I don't want to lynch. I just feel that some can be sorted out later, and some can be valuable assets if town (so basically need Cop checks on as many of them as possible).

I also have nothing against the 3 I can lynch except I don't feel like they've been doing anything that helps me read them better.

Maybe let Lovebird live today too, as I think there are other players here capable of reading her?

Eh.. I've just checked the activity, and Carca has 48 posts already, yet I can't remember a single thing she said that makes me not want her out of this game.

[Almost50]

Hmm.. looking at the VC, I see none of the experienced players is voting Carca. Any reason why any of you TR this slot?

[Almost50]

a50 you understand that my Skitter reads are serious fucking business right?

I do. I also know for a fact you don't know skitter's play as much as I do.

[Almost50]

The Skitter-A50 interactions are vibing to me as SvS as well, and I specifically think that A50 discussed going for the nightkill on me anyway and claim that he wifomed based on Skitter's reaction.

You weren't even in the game, but sure. Whatever floats your boat.

[Almost50]

Like her calling A50 out on missing the doc as opposed to me feels like a massive

TMI

paranoia read.

Fixed that for you.

FYI, skitter knows my play as both alignments, and -much like tw and a few others- would probably go "I feel like A50 is 99% town, but I won't be 100% until the game is over or he flips" in her mind.

[Almost50]

Please also note that as the standings are I have never misread Skitter30

Which is in how many games exactly? I mean, I have

never

misread Spaghetiosoo, but that's only because I have

never played

with him before.

[Almost50]

Furthermore, I have never failed to have her read correctly by the end of D1 even.

Is it EoD1 already? I don't think so.

Now why are you making such a fuss when I haven't even addressed your concerns about skitter (or anyone else really) in the first place? I merely posted my own lynch preferences and that was it.

[Almost50]

a50 is scum and implosion is scum and I wouldn't be surprised if gamma was the third.

That's the most ridiculous scum team I have seen in a while, bro.

I accept being suspected (and especially by you. remember that beginners game off-site where you and doggo had me SRd for no good reason and we ended up losing it bc of your tunneling?). The point is NOT to show you don't know how to read me as much as it is to show it's normal for me to be SR by you anyway.

My problem here is you're calling out the people I do TR. None of skitter, implosion or creature comes even close to being a SR to me right now, and to convince me otherwise would actually need you to provide a real case w.o. shouting out hysterically to lynch X "bc they're scum".

Can we please play a game of Mafia and not one of

Scott Pilgrim

RadiantCowbells vs the World? My name is not Chesskid; and as such I don't enjoy the way you two did in the competition game.

That said, I am leaning towards your slot being town here. Is it anything solid? Absolutely not. Do I want to lynch you today? The answer is definitely not. We can probably work together to solve this game, but you need to calm down and take your time to develop real reads.. or not!

[Almost50]

Oh! You said Gamma!! I could've sworn you said it was Creature if I didn't have the quote up there!

[Almost50]

Your game history with me has me basically solving every game I was town on the first day, so that's another thing that I should be able to just call you for saying.

:shrug:

You keep saying that and I'll be using it against you, because I -at least- know my own alignment. here's how it goes:

Proposition: RC

as Town

will 100% solve the game on D1 when skitter is in the same game

Fact: skitter

is

in this game

Conclusion: RC should be able to solve this game on D1

Proposition: RC thinks I'm scum

Fact: I am not scum

Final conclusion: RC is scum because he is incapable of solving this game where skitter is playing on D1

See? If you try to use the basics of logic and probabilities the end result would convict you. I personally do not use these two elements as conclusive leads, but rather as supplementary tools. Even if I have a 100% record reading someone I won't go as far as to claim I can 100% read them this game too. I'll just say I'm more likely to get it right in time than not.

[Almost50]

A50 if you're going to not vote Implo I'm 1v1ing you as soon as he dies and flips scum. You can make your decision where you stand there.

You are free to do as you wish. Implo is off the table for me today.

[Almost50]

As this information is now public, I'd like to hear from the town who I should investigate as I'm not 100% sure

Music and Mail is your assigned target then.

You get protected by them and I protect them, ensuring the survival of the both of you.

Now here's the trick, my friend: You've just set yourself for the lynch on D2. Why? To ensure your check on M & M is for real (I won't lose to scum faking Cop on scum. Sorry!).

If you do flip Town M&M will be confirmed a town slot and all Doctors can protect them from then on.

If yours is a scum flip though, guess what?

[Almost50]

I want to be able to lead lynches with the docs leashed onto me until I lead a single mislynch. 1.

I'll give you that once you're confirmed. How about that?

[Almost50]

Nope, we're not lynching CreativeMod on D2. I get to lead the lynches until I flip town, which won't be D2.

Not in a million years. Creative needs to be flipped to get you to conf!town status. Nothing less will make me trust you. Thank you very much.

P.S. he'd effectively be a VT by then IF he is a Cop anyway. It's much better than pushing someone we don't know their role and having them claim it. He'd be an outed Cop who has already used his ability.

[Almost50]

(If there is concerns about CreativeMod, the proper play is to then have people cop him which confirms both alignments since by then there aren't going to be 3 scum.)

This wastes our time, gives way for an additional mislynch, and gives scum a window to hunt down more Cops. We don't know if there is another N1 Cop (chances are dim, and IF THERE IS ONE PLEASE DO NOT CLAIM).

We don't know if there's a N2 Cop, and even if we did we don't know if there's a N2 Doctor to protect them, and even if we did that two we don't know they're not going to get shot on N1 (flips do not show what Night the role is supposed to act). So, let's say we have a N3 Cop out there. This means scum have 2 nights to hunt for them, and IF both of you and Creative are really Town then the shooting pool is already reduced for scum to 7. 1 mislynch today and it's 6. They shoot one of those and it's down to 5. A mislynch on D2 and it's down to only 4 targets for scum to shoot from. Then we have D3 with another potential mislynch (I'm working on worst case scenario) and now they have 3 to pick their NK from.

Now why the hell would we want to go throw all this when it's much more simple to just lynch the Cop with the result, thus ensuring none of those

still in the shooting pool

is removed, AND getting you confirmed status to take over the leadership of this poor town?

[Almost50]

Hell no.

I'm getting a scum lynch.

I don't trust town to trust my reads after I'm dead.

Well, you won't be dead tonight, that's for sure.

[Almost50]

we're not lynching anyone for stupid mechanical reasons like that.

then I won't be protecting M & M tonight to start with, and if that leads to my own mislynch, so be it. I'd rather play right and lose than win by playing this the wrong way. (Where is Mathdino to help me out here. He's the master of open-setups playing strategies).

[Almost50]

I'm not letting you take a free mislynch on town, sorry. There are cops to cop him and once there's only 2 scum remaining, the game is easy.

I'm not gonna waste a Cop check on an already outed Cop/Scum. Cops are to investigate the OTHER targets of their own choice.

This is why I don't understand implosion's reluctance to use the mechanically correct play here, as he himself is opposed to leashing PRs to begin with. My way ensures we don't leash anyone anymore.

Scum team -for now- could potentially be RC, implo & Creative.

VOTE: implosion

Let's play chicken. Let's see if RC drives this lynch home.

[Almost50]

Because I'm not waiting until day 3 to start leading

MIS

lynches, no-longer-almost-50.

Fixed that one two. Fight me!

[Almost50]

Almost50, let's say
you were town and skitter was town and I was town and Implosion was scum
who do you think the remaining 2 scum are?

Let's find out right here and now if implosion is indeed scum. I'll let you lead the town if he flips scum although I know for a fact you don't have a problem bussing your whole team to win a game.

[Almost50]

Oh, man! The TONE of 587 (especially the last part) makes me think RC is really Town here. Is he getting into my brain?? Can somebody help? CREATURE??

[Almost50]

And if RC is Town it follows that Creative is Town (I'd only expect this gambit if they were both scum together). But if that's the case then I have no reason to SR implosion (except if I surrender and officially sheep RC, whom I would expect to lead us to oblivion anyway and then replace out if Town).

Sorry, RC. You know how rate your TOWN game. It's not half as good as your scum game IMHO. Please don't be offended by me saying that. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

Most of the reason I don't get lynched as scum is that i'm too cute to lynch tbh

It's not that you're cute. It's because it sounds like a

calm rational

explanation rather than shouting. It also doesn't sound like you're talking to a buddy whom you have already informed to do this gambit beforehand whenever they got the chance to.

[Almost50]

@Creative:

01. Almost50 (Good as scum)
02. PenguinPower (not quite sure myself. @PP: Did I witness your scum game?)
03. Music and Mail (Great as scum)
04. Creature (bad as scum)
05. Gamma Emerald (moderate as scum)
06. BuJaber (Fairly good as scum)
07. Not_Mafia (most players can't tell)
08. CreativeMod1 (that's you. I don't know)
09. implosion (Fairly good as scum .. I think)
10. Lovebird (Good as scum)
11. Spooghetioso (No idea. He's new)
12. skitter30 (Good as scum)
13. Carcalilly (I personally don't know her )

That's my take on people here. Note that this only the rating of their SCUM game, which is what should concern you more. Like, for instance.. Creature is a Very Good TOWN player.

So, M & M (RC in particular) is a scary scumster to most of us, and we want to know if we can at least take his words and views as being honest and sincere. This is why most of us would be for a check there ASAP.

[Almost50]

I don't have a solid scumread that I'm still feeling good about anymore

See, that's the problem with me too. Those who are active enough all look town to various degrees, but I very much doubt the whole scum team is lurking.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

[Almost50]

@RC: That's an ugly misrep. I threatened to not protect you to get implosion to accept that the correct mechanical play is the correct mechanical play, He said he won't lynch someone for a mechanical reason, which is an implicit admission it is the correct play .. mechanically. Ya dig?

[Almost50]

I kind of want to talk more about A50 as well.

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

This is kind of a really shitty line. I think this way of commenting on a reaction is scummy; not 100% sure why.

576 also rings bells, particularly the line

Let's play chicken. Let's see if RC drives this lynch home.

Why do you mention that as town? Why does town not post the exact same post, minus this line? I find it sort of hard to believe that he genuinely thinks he's going to "call RC's bluff" as well. It could be pompousness as town but it feels like sort of an attempt to react to RC scumreading in a way that looks good.

I don't fully understand where you're coming form on either of these points, so I can't really respond properly.

@BuJ: I'll have you know "buddying" is not and has never been a part of my game as either alignment. I could be nice or I could be confrontational, but I never try to win someone's approval in specific.

Also, myself+Cmod is a silly proposition. It means I decided to bus my own buddy for no good reason, or I set myself for the lynch (details in the spoiler).

Spoiler:

Either M & M die on N1, so I get lynched on D2, or Cmod returns a fake guilty on M & M leading to their own lynch on D3. There's also the possibility I planned this -as you have insinuated- to have my buddy get a clear on RC and then form a fake townbloc, except M&M replaced in, so we could not have planned that ahead in the scum PT, and there's no daychat in this game.

In my PoV it would have been much much more simple to appear "obedient" to every RC wim on D1, and then just shoot him "for being the town leader" on N1, and that's it. I have no idea why you would expect me to complicate matters for myself and my team when an obvious easy solution exists.

[Almost50]

NOT VOTING: Almost50

Why no vote?

I only have strong TRs and no strong SRs to sink my teeth into. Everything is circumstantial, and I'm waiting for you to help me out.

[Almost50]

When you do can I spectate the game? That first time you do it will be bonkers.

That would require him to tell you his alignment in the game beforehand. Are you asking Creature to give you info about an ongoing game outside of the game threads??

[Almost50]

Since this is an open game, I will answer. Mafia PT opens for the first time night 1

THANK YOU. (I guess this makes BuJ very likely Town?)

[Almost50]

I have a reason to scumread skitter but it's reallly wifomy and fourth-wall-breaking...

With pick your power ending, she really genuinenly sounds like she's tired from playing scum. If she got scum here I think she'd want to replace out but I think she knows that if she replaces out she'll be autolynched so she's staying in but cutting down on how much she posts.

Plus as I said really believe at least one vote on my wagon was scum.

Is sh posting elsewhere? I mean, she said she doesn't have internet access until Tuesday night, so...

[Almost50]

Are you ready for the legendary secret of my implosion read?

he never rolls town

.

*Sigh*

Too bad my first scum!win he was in the game and he wasn't on my team (it was single ball), so...

I mean, I am usually forgetful of details, but I can hardly forget that game.

Because I

am

forgetful, I went to verify the precision of what I said. It turns out that it was my THIRD win as scum. But yes, he was the Town Nurse, so this is proof he does roll TOWN.

[Almost50]

OMG! This looks bad (if you want to look at it with a paranoid eye). In that game I let implosion live to endgame. If he flips red I'm a suspect for defending him, and if he lives long and is town then I also let him live. I guess I need to be lynched on D2 to cut down the paranoia anyway.

[Almost50]

actually implosion never rolls town

you're claiming scum if you say otherwise

VOTE: a50

Out of all slots, you're the only slot who cannot afford to lynch today me as either alignment. If you're town you'll be dead tonight, and if you're scum you'll be lynched on D2 because WHY THE HELL WOULD SCUM LET YOU LIVE WHEN YOU'RE GETTING COP CHECKED?

[Almost50]

lynch today me

Wow! I'm inventing a new English language!

[Almost50]

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

[Almost50]

Lynch Pengwing

Mate, you know I would never ever vote you, but you ARE giving me scum!vibes already by now. I guess you know why.

[Almost50]

Flip Pengu to gave your fears assuaged

I don't mind that either, but I worry about the Newbie Game and Open Game queue threads. We should let him live until they've found someone else to run these two threads properly.

[Almost50]

NOT VOTING: Almost50

Why no vote?

I only have strong TRs and no strong SRs to sink my teeth into. Everything is circumstantial, and I'm waiting for you to help me out.

Do you think implosion radically changed his way to play scum?

I don't think it's easy for long time players to do that in a win. It takes time to transform one's playstyle completely. That said, I don't even know what exactly you mean. Could you be more specific? Like, "implosion does/doesn't do this particular thing as one alignment but doesn't/does as the other"?

[Almost50]

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

UNVOTE:

To me; Gamma is as Town as Creature is (i.e. highest degree of confidence). Scum!Gamma was supposed to attack me for this vote and the way I phrased the post. I don't think he can even afford to fake a TR on me under the circumstances, and he always has trouble figuring out what I'm doing so it would have been most easy for him to OMGUS me and appear natural.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma

Naked vote from a slot that is not Not_Mafia noted.

{Creature, Gamma}
{skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, BuJaber, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

P.S. Actually M & M can be moved up and down to ANY of these categories. RC is being RC, which -to me- is "impossible to have a read on with any degree of confidence". He has given me some strong town!vibes yet I know he's very well capable of doing that as scum. End result is: I don't want to push the slot today, and gun-to-my-head I'd still say it's more likely town than scum.

Setting the RC paranoia aside, it's probably best to lynch in the bottom two (which surprisingly coincides with 2/3 lynches proposed by RC himself!).

[Almost50]

Naked vote from a slot that is not Not_Mafia noted.

Are you kidding me? Are you reading at all?

"Yes" to the first question, and "of course I am, but definitely not in my mother tongue" to the second one.

Hint: You're supposed to respond with "Fair enough."

[Almost50]

I'm not shading you, and if I was rest assured 11 other players are watching this so it would not go unnoticed. I am in a semi-humourous/playful mode is all, so that was more or less a tongue-in-cheek shitpost.

Geez. I'll go back to shading N_M instead. At least his responses are funnier and he'd have probably rolled with it.

[Almost50]

Frankly; I just copied and pasted my old read list and moved Gamma up, but totally forgot about that townslip of yours. That said, I won't put you at the very top for <reasons>.

Also, I am still ignoring that question you quoted. Capiche?

{Creature, Gamma}
{BuJaber, skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

[Almost50]

Obv you don't have experience with me, because if you did you would know this isn't my scum game in the slightest. I've forgotten why you've scumread me...

Yes, you are being an ass. And doing a great job at it.

I always have trouble with players claiming "this isn't their scum game" (with very few exceptions). If you

know

the difference(s) between your town game and your scum game then you

can

fake it. Personally, when I do realize a major difference in one I either implement it to the other or drop it for both. You can only catch me through differences I've not yet realized exist.

[Almost50]

Carcalilly has been prodded.
Lovebird has appr six hours to pick up their prod.

I'm tunneling the LB slot if that gets replaced again. I can't see a town slot getting replaced twice in 72 hours at the start of the game. Maybe the first player flaked.. but what about the second one? Why would they replace in then decide not to play after they have picked their role PM and actually posted in the game thread?

[Almost50]

I do want to make sure everyone is on the same page with regards to the night plan at this point: if CM1 dies, we 100% snap lynch music & mail, no questions asked. If music & mail dies, we 100% snap lynch Almost50, no questions asked. There are no objections to either of those, right? Just want them to be very explicit.

No objections from me there, mate.

[Almost50]

kinda makes me wonder if they are scum and are happy with the check staying away from them

Yeah, that occurred to me too. It could be that we have 3 townies and 10 Mafia players in this game.

Hint: Be a team player. That's what the game is all about. You don't do your own thing just because you want to feel important and have to have a say on the matter. The majority are telling you to use your one shot on M&M so that's what you do, and I don't care if you personally hacked into their account and got to read their Role PM yourself. I want the MOD to PM YOU saying they're TOWN before I feel comfortable having them drive lynches. THANK YOU.

[Almost50]

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

I'll be damned if this isn't S.C.U.M

[Almost50]

In fact given what scum would know seeing the mafia PT I’d call that a possible townslip

FGS, Gamma!

Mafia PT locked during day, open at night

Mafia PT locked during day, open at night

Mafia PT locked during day, open at night

Mafia PT locked during day, open at night

[Almost50]

Heh. A50 is funny when it’s not directed toward me.

I'm always funny. Sometimes my humour just flies over people's heads is all.

[Almost50]

Carcalilly can read right? It’s not like she can’t see the fact the amount of town PRs is POSTED IN THE MAFIA PT.
This jeopardizes my townread on you because having modded this exact setup you should know this.

Carcalilly can read right? It’s not like she is likely playing an open setup without reading it. And even if she did, it's not like she didn't check her own PM that IF TOWN tells her she's either a Cop or a Doctor for

one specific night

.

P-edit: I'm saying she should know everyone is a PR as either alignment, and that was a silly FAKE for a townslip.

[Almost50]

It's official! teacher has just posted in the replacements thread looking for someone to fill in for LB.

VOTE: Lovebird

[Almost50]

A28 - remember twin trap? I'm happy enough with your reasoning to treat it like a guilty. Can we hold off on LB and hit other scum first?

People don't feel fine about lynching Carca and I have yet to locate a 3rd suspect with any degree of confidence.

That said, I'm the only vote on LB right now so the slot is unlikely to even have a wagon on it before it gets filled. My vote is just stating a stance.

[Almost50]

VOTE: penguin power

I have concluded that this is not just the best vote this day but the best vote in all days and in all games

Prove me wrong

i would guess that your'e an a50 gimmick alt but he's in the game so

is this in any way a serious vote?

Which reminds me.. YOU should join skygazer's game (currently in sign-ups in the Normal queue). Just take a look at the last page of the sign-ups thread to know why.

[Almost50]

I can meta A50

and call him scum just on a dime and that should be respected.
I'm metaing A50 and calling him scum.

So we're going to just skip the entire process of talking about my read on A50 and instead talk about his associations with the other two, which I think put a nice bow and ribbon on the scumteam.

Spoiler: Almost50

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

idk.

There was a time when I used to read Gamma accurately.. until I rolled scum with him, and from then on I auto-SR his play and try my best not to lynch him until it's mechanically necessary because I know I am biased.

@Gamma: Yes.. that Varsoon game messed up my way of reading you

Very early in the game, Almost50 makes an excuse for why he's going to be avoiding a Gamma lynch in a game where scum benefit from not bussing (unless executed perfectly)

Technically he didn't call you a liar. he just said what you said was a lie.

Like, if I told you I have a dinosaur in my backyard I'd be lying, but if I said skitter does I'd probably be spreading a lie she told me but I'm not necessarily lying myself because maybe I believe her.

But then you did say you never saw BN_M this active, so you were reporting for yourself, so maybe he did call you a liar??

But then maybe you just forgot, so it wasn't an actual lie, bur rather a memory slip, so maybe he's not calling you a liar after all.

How's that for a silly conversation??

So first off: really weird post.
Second off: he's trying to soften the Gamma calling PP a liar thing while Gamma is trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure he's just trying to cover for his scumbuddy here.

a50 you're really tempting me to vote you instead of more-or-less claimed scum. Can you not do that.

It's been a long time since you played me, right? I've transformed into an even more sarcastic player.

But don't worry, I'll play the game as soon as I am fully awake.

Postie!

okay bujy's logic is faulty but I can't see any scum motivation for what they're trying to do

So far you haven't pointed out a single "scum motivation" behind any post made by any player. Are you TRing the whole list? (Or at least everyone who did post)

In-Thread coaching for 400$, alex.

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Lay your cards then. Why do you suspect me? Why PP? Do you think we're scum together or are the SRs separate?

Again, no attempt to follow up on anything, just an in thread coaching attempt where he tries to get Carcalilly to flesh out her reads.

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

Do you get the impression that Almost50 is actually trying to sort her?

I have no bloody mechanical reads. All I have is tone and gut

I don't want to lynch: PP/M & M/Creature/Gamma/BuJ/N_M/implosion/Spoogheti/skitter

This leaves Carcalilly/CreativeMod/Lovebird for my D1 lynch pool.

That doesn't mean I TR all of those I don't want to lynch. I just feel that some can be sorted out later, and some can be valuable assets if town (so basically need Cop checks on as many of them as possible).

I also have nothing against the 3 I can lynch except I don't feel like they've been doing anything that helps me read them better.

Maybe let Lovebird live today too, as I think there are other players here capable of reading her?

Eh.. I've just checked the activity, and Carca has 48 posts already, yet I can't remember a single thing she said that makes me not want her out of this game.

Hmm.. looking at the VC, I see none of the experienced players is voting Carca. Any reason why any of you TR this slot?

Carca is just too scummy to exist at this point, and so he puts her in the scumpool.
But rather than pushing on her directly, he as lightly as possible doesn't call her scum and instead asks everyone else why they aren't voting there.


Note that A50 knows my read on Skitter is better than his and would have voted with me if he were scum with her or if he were town imo.

As this information is now public, I'd like to hear from the town who I should investigate as I'm not 100% sure

Music and Mail is your assigned target then.

You get protected by them and I protect them, ensuring the survival of the both of you.

Now here's the trick, my friend: You've just set yourself for the lynch on D2. Why? To ensure your check on M & M is for real (I won't lose to scum faking Cop on scum. Sorry!).

If you do flip Town M&M will be confirmed a town slot and all Doctors can protect them from then on.

If yours is a scum flip though, guess what?

Immediately after we setup the situation where I'm going to be confirmed town, he lines up a lynch to delay my being able to actually systematically lead lynches.

we're not lynching anyone for stupid mechanical reasons like that.

then I won't be protecting M & M tonight to start with, and if that leads to my own mislynch, so be it. I'd rather play right and lose than win by playing this the wrong way. (Where is Mathdino to help me out here. He's the master of open-setups playing strategies).

Before I started massively calling him out for it, he tries to use not being handed that free mislynch as an excuse to derail the whole protection situation and get that kill on me.

Oh, man! The TONE of 587 (especially the last part) makes me think RC is really Town here. Is he getting into my brain?? Can somebody help? CREATURE??

And if RC is Town it follows that Creative is Town (I'd only expect this gambit if they were both scum together). But if that's the case then I have no reason to SR implosion (except if I surrender and officially sheep RC, whom I would expect to lead us to oblivion anyway and then replace out if Town).

Sorry, RC. You know how rate your TOWN game. It's not half as good as your scum game IMHO. Please don't be offended by me saying that. *Sigh*

Not town!A50.

I don't have a solid scumread that I'm still feeling good about anymore

See, that's the problem with me too. Those who are active enough all look town to various degrees, but I very much doubt the whole scum team is lurking.

UNVOTE:

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

This just, eww. Felt like scum who wanted to keep their options open but didn't want to be on the wagon unless necessary.

OMG! This looks bad (if you want to look at it with a paranoid eye). In that game I let implosion live to endgame. If he flips red I'm a suspect for defending him, and if he lives long and is town then I also let him live. I guess I need to be lynched on D2 to cut down the paranoia anyway.

Scumpost.ca

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

UNVOTE:

To me; Gamma is as Town as Creature is (i.e. highest degree of confidence). Scum!Gamma was supposed to attack me for this vote and the way I phrased the post. I don't think he can even afford to fake a TR on me under the circumstances, and he always has trouble figuring out what I'm doing so it would have been most easy for him to OMGUS me and appear natural.

Note the difference between the 180 on Gamma and Implosion is that Implosion he just said was more likely town and kept the options open and didn't really defend him.
With Gamma, he's fully declaring him absolute locktown and giving himself leverage to start hard defending him and he does so for frankly batshit reasons.
Do you people who are really townreading A50 on 'tone' (you are bad at doing that) think that he has this massive change of heart over something so stupid?
Or do you think that he's scum who wanted to look like he was initially open to voting Gamma but doesn't actually want to see them lynched?

Frankly; I just copied and pasted my old read list and moved Gamma up, but totally forgot about that townslip of yours. That said, I won't put you at the very top for <reasons>.

Also, I am still ignoring that question you quoted. Capiche?

{Creature, Gamma}
{BuJaber, skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

Carcalilly has been prodded.
Lovebird has appr six hours to pick up their prod.

I'm tunneling the LB slot if that gets replaced again. I can't see a town slot getting replaced twice in 72 hours at the start of the game. Maybe the first player flaked.. but what about the second one? Why would they replace in then decide not to play after they have picked their role PM and actually posted in the game thread?

So then in terms of other people to vote he puts both Carca and LB at the bottom slot (expressing openness to wagoning both) but then says that he'll powerlynch the LB slot if it gets replaced again when they were already obviously getting replaced again, so another case of him wanting to look like he was open to wagoning his scumbuddies but in actuality he isn't.

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

I'll be damned if this isn't S.C.U.M

No follow up of course, because the slot that was replaced twice is SUCH a scumfuck amirite

It's official! teacher has just posted in the replacements thread looking for someone to fill in for LB.

VOTE: Lovebird

A28 - remember twin trap? I'm happy enough with your reasoning to treat it like a guilty. Can we hold off on LB and hit other scum first?

People don't feel fine about lynching Carca and I have yet to locate a 3rd suspect with any degree of confidence.

That said, I'm the only vote on LB right now so the slot is unlikely to even have a wagon on it before it gets filled. My vote is just stating a stance.

Ohhhh because

people don't feel fine about lynching Carca

I see.
Not because you wanted to wagon town

They say it's over when the fat lady sings but your mom's voice is disgusting so I'd rather she keep her mouth shut, thanks.

[Almost50]

@RC: IF I was to pick 10 .. no

20

players who can meta me to various degrees of precision, your name still wouldn't appear on the list, my friend.

[Almost50]

@RC: IF I was to pick 10 .. no

20

players who can meta me to various degrees of precision, your name still wouldn't appear on the list, my friend.

What about me?

Well, I haven't thought of all the names I would include on that list. My point was RC does NOT know ANYTHING about my game as either alignment, and is working off a 2 years old meta at best. He did play me on MU (and knew who I was) and he miclynched me still, so he can't claim he can meta me "just on a dime" (whatever that literally means)

[Almost50]

You need to relearn the respect that you had for me two years ago.

You need to go back to being that player.

P.S. We can take that to PMs post-game. I like and respect you as a person, but there are certain aspects of your game that I dislike nowadays, most notably your tendency to replace out. <-That's the one I can talk about in public because it's unlikely to be taken personally by just about anyone at all.

[Almost50]

That's ok. I -for one- am not trying to PL you here, and I don't think the majority of player even brought that up. However, we are trying to conf!town you to put our fears of your admittedly string scum game to rest. The game should go much more smooth for you from then on. (I'm deliberately phrasing this with the pre-assumption that your are TOWN in mind). Now you can't ask anyone who is already paranoid of you and wants to check you first to also sheep you before you are confirmed.

Like, I have strong TR on Gamma (and I explained why), and you are pushing for his lynch. I can't sheep you on that one. I'm not lynching Gamma when I do have a strong TR on him. I would only do that if I still couldn't lock a read on his slot (if I had a Sr on him it wouldn't be sheeping in the first place).

[Almost50]

You're scum, I'm not blaming you for anything besides your bad choice of alignment

You keep digging that hole deeper for yourself. You will be embarrassed when I flip, but I frankly want it to be the case to prove you can't read my play for shit.

[Almost50]

Almost50 you know I'm only scumreading you because your associatives with double flipped scum are really bad?

Not sure I understand. What 'flipped' scum?

[Almost50]

1- Gamma is TOWN
2- I'm FOR lynching Carca

[Almost50]

What if you're wrong on Gamma and I'm right? What if you just sheeped me here like you once would?

What if I'm right and you're wrong about Gamma? And what good am I a player to still be mindlessly sheeping you after all this time? I am no longer a rookie, my friend, and we're talking about someone I play often. We're not talking about someone I don't know or have no experience with.

[Almost50]

Carca's scum, we both know that, let's hit scum today and then reevaluate tomorrow.

That's fine by me.

VOTE: Carca

[Almost50]

Btw, I have been mining for special rules made by various mods (to make my own personal list for my own games), and I recall one being "You may claim scum, but you may NOT claim scum with someone else". I do/would not take that literally though. I think it means it's against the rule to expose your scum team for real (some players get angry over being bussed or in some other situations where they actually say something like "I'm scum and my team is X, Y & Z" then they rage quit)

[Almost50]

I actually think that I think that A50 is the scummiest person in this game right now. I'm not 100% sure that I do actually think that, but I suspect that I do.

I don't think putting much focus on me (or M&M or Cmod for that matter) is healthy for the game. The 3 of us are not going to be lynched today for mechanical reasons. Feel free to push me all you want on D2, and you can take notes from now (just keep them in a text file so as not to clog the thread with unnecessary posts). Tomorrow I'm practically a VT, and while it's still suboptimal to lynch me it is still a better option than risking a lynch on a TPR whose action is on -say- N3 or N4.

Just my 4 cents (inflation accounted for, and taxes included).

P-edit: I'm crazy. That's a fact. But I don't think I'm THAT crazy. (Or maybe I am? Scum can take a chance and test it for themselves).

[Almost50]

1- I am not lying about me being a N1 Doctor.
2- If you have things figured I would appreciate if you at least pushed for the lynch of someone who will flip scum (Carca is a good lynch IMHO)
3- I do not understand why you might think I'm bluffing here, nor do I understand why you would want to hold off till the next day. I am NOT going to question your motive or thought process though. God knows I sometimes want to yell at some players for questioning something I'm doing before it comes to fruition. I'm just saying that when you're done doing what you're doing I would very muchh appreciate an explanation. Thank you.

[Almost50]

I am making sure because the benefits of you fakeclaiming N1 doc to keep me alive are gone:

I claimed before anyone else did, my friend. For all I knew back then I could have been the only N1 PR. Do you really want me to explain why it would be a bad idea to fake anything in this particular setup??

But IF you are so certain you've got it all figured out then by all means do tell, and then lynch ME today to be absolutely sure. That means you die tonight, but the Town has the info, and they also have my alignment/role confirmed going into the night.

We can both discuss a few things in the dead thread while the game is still ongoing.

That said I'd rather the original plan more. It keeps you alive for one more day, and maybe we are lucky enough we have a N2 Doctor who extends your lifetime again. As for me, I would have served my duty by going into N1 alive. From then on it's "serving the win-con" but not the "role" because my role is effectively a VT (so I don't mind getting shot tonight).

[Almost50]

1- I am not lying about me being a N1 Doctor.

like, i was strongly not expecting to see this sentence.

My bluffs usually have more pros than cons. More to gain and less to lose. I agree I probably would have faked my night of action, but

only if I claimed after M&M/CMod

. Claiming a Doctor as a Cop is NO NO in this setup. It affects the balance and we have a 33% of having 6 Doctors and 4 Cops, which means faking a Doctor when you're a Cop guarantees we mislynch withing the claimed Doctors pool to oblivion.

To reiterate: I would never claim a "role" that I'm not in this setup, and I would not fake my night of action when I was the first person to claim.

My claim was done precisely with this in mind "if there's a N1 Cop they can claim and have me protect them". That was the idea rather than me blindly picking a target. I didn't even think beyond that point. It was a simple decision to make. N1 Doctor should claim to give a N1 Cop the chance to claim for protection and we thus are guaranteed a result at the start of D2.

[Almost50]

You know, sometimes I hate to explain the obvious. Did anyone (aside from probably skitter) ask themselves why I claimed on PAGE ONE?

Which reminds me: The post M&M quoted was the reaffirmation of my claim. My original claim came in post #8, and it may have looked like a casual jokey entrance, but to players such as skitter & BuJaber (and the trio of Creature/Gamma/N_M to a lesser degree) the message was clear: If you're N1 Cop say so and let me protect you. I got excited when skitter responded with her hypo-innos query, since I thought that was her signalling Cop and asking for confirmation. It turned out not to be the case, but no harm was done.

[Almost50]

i thought you were baiting the n1 kill; that you were more likely to be a doc than a cop; that you might be some other night than n1 but if that was the case you for whatever reason thought dying n1 was better than being alive on a later night (i don't know what that reason may be; i don't udnerstand what you do half the time)

i wasn't really expecting you to stick to your n1 doc claim either tbh

LOL. I don't know what to say! The one person I thought fully understood what I was doing didn't.

1- Scum would rather shoot a Cop over a Doctor here. If I was trying to bait the NK then I should have (fake) claimed N1 Cop.

2- However, as I explained, faking your role isn't a good idea AT ALL in this setup. Even if I got shot based on my claim, my flip would give almost everyone (and especially scum) the chance to ridicule everything I said or did during that day.

OH, and.. Carca is a REALLY better vote than M&M
3- Faking my night of action would have only been a possible move by me if I claimed after someone else did. I can totally see me faking to protect that someone for the night (by making scum think they're protected anyway).

4- Being first to claim though eliminates that possibility. That's why I decided to claim that early.. to eliminate any doubts you/BuJ may have had on their minds if I claimed later. It was like "if skitter is a N1 Cop she would let me protect her, and she will know I wouldn't lie about it lest I get lynched myself on D2".

But OK.. I made a move that nobody understood at the time they were supposed to.. but no harm was done and we even benefited from it eventually. I now need to have a meeting with both Austin and Dredd to discuss if we should slightly change our methods based on the fact nobody understands us anymore.

[Almost50]

Because Implosion is scum. I was literally drunk when I unvoted him and

as soon as I looked at his ISO again I was like yeah this guy is lockscum

.

So

show us

what you see. Tell us what he said/did to get you lock SR him. Explain his meta or scum motive behind a vote/action/post. Throw us a bone here, mate.

[Almost50]

I can't vote for someone saying I make the game fun for them so that's off the list

I dunno I guess we could just lynch lovebird for 0 posting but the broad support says to me that they are town

I can't solve this game

We can always vote No Lynch if you want. Not the best choice, but a valid choice in this setup (and especially with the N1 action plan we have).

[Almost50]

I'm the one getting copped I get absolutely zero info from no lynching
I also die before most of the results are in so I don't get help solving

You're also the one who just said you can't solve this game, so I'm throwing you a life line here.

[Almost50]

Town (in no particular order): Creature, Gamma, M&M, skitter, BuJaber, CMod, implosion

Not sure about any of the other 5, so that would be my suspects pool (but I don't vote N_M regardless).

I'd rather lynch Nicholas Cage or Spooghetioso today bc I don't see them doing much anyway. I feel like they're just taking the ride for free.

[Almost50]

Suppose I can't get you to vote Gamma then, sadly.

gamma's response/reaction to my weird vote on him oozes town to me. I deliberately phrased it that way so I can get a reaction of him and he passed the test, so...

[Almost50]

I don't agree with you at all but we're sheeping me tomorrow no matter what.

OK. Fair enough.

[Almost50]

Weren't you already voting there? Or is this a hint for me to start sheeping already?

OK..

VOTE: Spooghetioso

[Almost50]

I may or may not have been not sure

Today is a comp day I don't demand sheeps nor promise a scum flip. I will start the carrying tomorrow

Again, fair enough.

[Almost50]

are all games on this site like this with 60 pages for just day 1?

Funny thing to ask considering this isn't exactly your first game on "this site".

I also feel like a check on M&M is pointless

If he's mafia then at worst he's gonna get town to waste a ML on myself and when I'm revealed as cop then town will lynch him (Or they'll simply kill me during the night and he'll try to talk his way out of it)
If he's town then he's just gonna take over for a day until mafia kill him

I'll play along (just to expose the flaw in your logic to the class): So, to avoid being (mis)lynched yourself you are willing to leave (scum)M&M unchecked?

My on deduction: CMod is SCUM refusing to give M&M confirmed status for fear there will be other Doctors on subsequent nights (all we need is probably N2 & N3) to protect them and have them lead us to victory.

Right now I do believe M&M is Town, but CMod's stance is scummy as hell. He probably noticed his mistake when I first suggested he gets lynched on D2 ANYWAY. He gives a clear and we lynch him. He gives a guilty and

we still lynch him first

.

Since he doesn't want to play game, I will assume M&M is Town here and vote CMod TODAY instead.

Congrats, RC. You are to lead us starting tomorrow and I pledge my allegiance to you from then on.

Now help me lynch this scumbutt:

VOTE: Cmod

[Almost50]

why would he be afraid of me?

because everybody is? We already told him everything he needs to know about your skill, and we are willing to sheep you. Wouldn't that be alarming to noob!scum who thought they were being clever fake claiming a cop (with the initial intention of clearing you anyway and looking TOWN for it)?

[Almost50]

RC, my man. Look at his reasoning: |I don't want scum!M&M to mislynch me or NK me, so I'm checking someone else". Does this even make sense to you?

Like, if you are scum, what's to stop you from NKing him anyway, regardless of his target? Using his logic you can "try to talk your way out of it" either way! So, that doesn't even compute. SYNTAX ERROR. BAD COMMAND.

[Almost50]

OMGUS, are you worried that you’re the person I decide to check in the end?

Yes. I'm shaking in my boots.

@Mod: Please replace this account with my alt "AP" so that I can play in this circus properly. Thanks in advance

I simply don't want people searching my games and finding that I let THIS go unpunished on the spot. AP is a troll account and I don't care if I lost all my games under it as long as I'm having fun.

[Almost50]

You're essentially expressing intent to troll and gamethrow. If i were the mod I absolutely wouldn't allow you to replace here.

I can replace out if you like. I did that only twice so far in my whole time on MS, and on both occasions it was because I was so mad I was going to get myself banned if I continued. This time I'm doing it BEFORE I get to this stage. "I'm new to this site, but I am wiser than all of you" isn't exactly the type of play I would want to make friends with.

[Almost50]

Which? If you mean replace out completely, then I certainly can do without that. If you mean replacing myself with AP; that should work in your favour actually. AP is more likely to sheep you without second guessing any of your reads. Austin Powers relies on his mojo more than his brain!

[Almost50]

I have a replacement player already waiting in the queue. They will get first dibs on any spot that gets vacated for any reason.

I would argue that the spot isn't vacated. It's the same player. Same as when one hydra head flakes and the hydra is replaced with the active head of the two.

But if you insist then I will stay as A50 and simply won't count the game towards my stats nor will I include it in my wiki. Your call.

[Almost50]

A50 are you being serious? You wanna swap to a troll account just simply because I’ve put forward a different viewpoint?

It's not a "troll account" in the sense that I don't play the game. It's trolly only because I use humour, sarcasm and Austin Powers memes all the time. You can do a search on AP to verify I still play the game properly under it, but the posting style is significantly different.

[Almost50]

Anyway

@Mod: It's fine either way. I'll follow your rules. It's

your

game.

[Almost50]

So what’d be the point of the change?

Also out of curiosity, other than M&M who would you have me check?

The point is/was to express my feeling more freely without really insulting anyone. For example:



Is far better than saying the same thing in typing!

And I would want M&M checked afr more than I'd want anyone else, because it's healthy for the game status as a whole, not just for my own reads. Like I suspect Nicolas Cage and Spooghetsio, but we can lynch those without checks. People suspecting/paranoid of M&M will probably bring the whole town down. Them being confirmed will help others follow their reads/logic and they may still argue one way or another but will

know

they're mot being deceitful.

[Almost50]

i also vibe spooghettioso/skitter interactions as having high probability of being SvS which is why I've been pushing for that lynch so much.

VOTE: Spooghetsio

I can sheep you on this one today. No problem.

[Almost50]

spoogh townflip doesn't mean you don't trust my skitter read.

I am only saying I'm sheeping you here. The fact is I'm willing to lynch Spoogh or Nicolas today, so whichever goes through is fine by me.

Once you're confirmed I can sheep you even if you tell me to vote myself. Why? Because you lead us to victory like the good old day; which would be great, or you would lead us to oblivion -as town- which would be funny. I'm willing to take that chance when I know you're 100% town (right now I'm only 90% confident, tbh)

[Almost50]

yeah not really buying skitter scum tbh

On contrary to you, every time she posts there's always something that's making me think maybe I spoke too soon and maybe RC is right!

[Almost50]

i have said more stuff than the people with that role

?? Can you please rephrase this so I can understand what you're saying?

[Almost50]

yeah not really buying skitter scum tbh

On contrary to you, every time she posts there's always something that's making me think maybe I spoke too soon and maybe RC is right!

Do go on.

She's not the lynch today, so no point in breaking down her posts. However, refusing to lynch CMod whether or nor he cops M&M, while actively shading M&M is sketchy at best. This is isn't how Town!skitter's brain works. As Town, skitter tends to go for the option that directly unwriggles the situation. She doesn't like circumstantial reads and does prefer the mechanically correct play, so calling it "beyond stupid" isn't what I would expect from town!her.

Furthermore, skitter will always read for comprehension. Her response to my post was totally off the mark. I didn't say CMod was scum

with

M&M in that post. I said the contrary: CMod is scum refusing to conf!town M&M. The post assumes RC is TOWN, and she interprets it as I'm accusing CMod of being scum with RC. I don't think I've ever seen skitter misread such an obvious phrasing before.

Then I do have a problem with her v/la. I understand she had no internet before, but "I should have declared v/la" doesn't sound natural to me.

skitter is always in catch up mode this game, and this could very well be because she's afraid of engaging because she hates playing scum and it's tedious for her to "fake" conversations and reads as scum (I know because I was her scum p in a recent game).

None of the above is conclusive on it's own, but every single bit adds up to my skepticism, and that's why I said "something" that makes me think I might've been wrong.

[Almost50]

@RC: Straight up, I'm willing to take the chance on flipping skitter today. Are you?

[Almost50]

That's also why I would really want Skitter copped because if she's scum great if she's town we agree on the Poe and I can trust her to Lynch down it doesn't the remainder of the game

I can always say I made a mistake and that I'm actually a N1 COP and will investigate her.

^^ See THIS would have been me baiting the NK. I don't get how skitter said she thought I was baiting the NK by claiming Doctor either. One more thing that gave me pause about her.

[Almost50]

Like way too cute
I don't think there's ever been such a cute scum player ever
Except postie, fuck that conniving bitch

VOTE: nic cage

I think I'm going to end up pissing my pants laughing regardless of how this game ends.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Nicolas Kim Copola

[Almost50]

Skitter is....Town

Now that's a relief (for me at least).

OK, I probably will check this later if nobody does it before me, but which of this player list has experience with BuJaber? It looks like such a weird kill it almost came from someone who BuJaber is most familiar with that they were afraid he's peg them.

[Almost50]

OK i can run with that. that's strictly worse than checking me because I'm 100% sure that I'd have figured out that skitter was town if she stopped calling me scum every ten seconds but
here's my big question to everyone in the game. I think NM is town, like, most of the time-ish. enough that I'm fine mostly leaving them out of discussion and then just lynching them if the big 4 fails

If I'm right on {Gamma/Implo/Carca/NC} who is the town in that pool?

Replace Gamma with Spoogh and we've got identical lynch pools

[Almost50]

Btw, I'm an informed townie. I know this game is single ball and the scum team is of 3 members. There are probably many 1-shot investigatives and many 1-shot protectors. I won't crumb/hint my role. Let's just call say I'm basically a VT starting D2 (and will still get shot anyway).

Signed: Dr.Monkey

Guess this is prob why Almost50 is town

This, for instance, isn't a good enough reason. A50 is plenty good enough to make this opening post as scum. There's the doc claim, sure, but I'm really skeptical of writing him off as town for a claim because last time I did that I mishammered at 3p lylo because of it. He knows how to fakeclaim as scum. And it's not an inconvenient claim as scum, since all it does in practice is potentially leash your n1 kill away from someone.

You guys keep reminding me of that game!

OK, I'll accept implosion's paranoia as justified. It's NAI.

[Almost50]

OK, I've just skimmed BuJaber's ISO, and I think he believed the scum team to be NC, Carca and implosion. (That's what I concluded from his last few posts).

@RC: I'd lynch implosion over Gamma here. I prefer NC the most though.

[Almost50]

Particularly from a50, would you agree with the point that wagon structure from a neutral pov points to at least one scum in {you, me, NC}?

Well, I didn't do a VCA myself, but if you include yourself and NC on the list then I will agree.

[Almost50]

Carcasilly is scum

I'm N1 cop

VOTE: Carcasilly

I LOVE YOU, MAN! (But you already knew that, didn't you?)

VOTE: Carca

[Almost50]

I would like every player before they vote the guilty to acknowledge that post.

Looks good. (What makes you think you would be NK'd tonight is beyond me though.)

Hint: Let it go. Don't even bother typing a naked question mark.

[Almost50]

because like, both him and me derped somewhere about pregame scumchat.

That's a valid point too. I tried to protect him with this:

Frankly; I just copied and pasted my old read list and moved Gamma up, but totally forgot about that townslip of yours. That said, I won't put you at the very top

for <reasons>

.

But I obviously could not have protected two slot during the night.

[Almost50]

@implosion: I do NOT wish to answer your question about the NK targets. The answer may give scum some incentive to go a certain way, especially if they are not fully familiar with all the players.

[Almost50]

Almost50 seems like he has no original thoughts.

Of course I don't. 25 years ago I had those, but now I just copy & paste from my old books!

[Almost50]

Yeah, I think it's A50 + Nick + Carca

ROTFL!

So, you believe I put BOTH my scum partners at the very bottom of my read list?

{Creature, Gamma}
{BuJaber, skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

And then reasserted the scum read on BOTH today:

OK, I've just skimmed BuJaber's ISO, and I think he believed the scum team to be NC, Carca and implosion. (That's what I concluded from his last few posts).

@RC: I'd lynch implosion over Gamma here. I prefer NC the most though.

Hint: LB is now NC

[Almost50]

hey can you unvote for the reasons already stated ty

Sorry!

[Almost50]

me and you both played with bujaber ...

why are you not trying to lynch cmod today exactly ... ? and why are you believing his result here ... ?

Respectively:

1- I know, but I was asking about the others. I mean I know didn't do it and you've just been cleared by a Cop, so probably not you either.

2- What's the point of "trying" when i know it's going to fail? Am I here to solve the game or just make waves that would clog the thread with lots of back and forth debates and no real benefit (except creating a smoke screen for scum to hide in)?

3- Because I want to. Simple as that. I don't want to have to lynch you, so I choose to believe CMod is a Town Cop who checked you. Do you have any problems with that?

[Almost50]

his reasons for scurmeading me were quite bad and he should have been townreading me there imo

No, they weren't, and no, I shouldn't, and I think you know exactly why that is.

[Almost50]

honestly i was expecting a50 to die if he was town for being in the back of that protect chain and i'm a little bit tilted that he wasn't

See, that's the kind of logic that might eventually make me think it's you & CMod with Carca (or N_M). Since when did 1-shot Doctors who have already exhausted their shot become NK targets? What's the point? Or are you deliberately faking obtuse here?

Scum want the COPS to die as their prime targets, followed by "future" Doctors (those who can actually prevent kills in the future). THEN comes the VTs. That's why I am not that sure M&M is a good NK target on N2 either, but if scum want to play strategical bad then I couldn't be happier. I mean, they can shoot both M&M AND myself over the coming 2 nights if they want to, but I can guarantee you their chances of winning the game will be greatly reduced by that (not that they have any "good" chance with us both alive, but info > skill).

[Almost50]

and checking carca people is kinda ???

Another bad comment. Carca was a serious contender for the lynch on D1 (at least from my own PoV). She only got off the hook by c(fake) claiming to live another day (or TWO actually). N_M's check makes perfect sense, and I chose to believe him because albeit knowing he "could" go for a gambit, the target of his gambit would probably be M&M, A50 or implosion here.

Like the only way N_M is scum here is if he is faking a guilty non a N2 Cop to prevent the check, but then that's equal to leaving Carca do her check and having N_M himself as her target. Same thing indeed. They might as well have shot her instead, so why is she still alive and BuJ is dead?

You know why? Because she is SCUM.

[Almost50]

You know what?

The scum team is Carca+CMod+M&M

Let's start from the beginning:

can somebody please quote the post where Carca claimed "Cop"?? Because all I see is:

I’ll only claim at l-1 for good reasons

and then a few posts later:

I’m night 2 but okay

So where did anyone get that she's a "cop"??

Well, it was RC. He was hard bussing (and that shows with Carca saying "but okay" rather than "so let me live and lynch me on D3" or something similar. Then RC realized there's a good chance Carca won't be lynched and that Town are getting skeptical, so he changed his stance to "I'm definitely good not lynching her today", and he is the one who added the word "cop" to her claim.

Now we have a guilty on her and he tried to see if the lynch could be directed elsewhere, while asserting CMod is Town and can never be lynched. Of course, some other "townies" are of the same mindset, so I can't do much about it. Or maybe CMod is indeed a Town Cop who got caught in the middle of his own muddle?? I don't think checking someone other than M&M was a good choice either, and I still don't trust the manner he "talked himself out of it".

Now do I really care whether anyone listens??

Absolutely NOT!

Every single one of you can do as they wish.

[Almost50]

why is your response focused on the showing everyone that you aren't scum *with those two people in particular* and not on showing everyone that *you aren't scum* ... ?

A few reasons actually, but they all boil down to

I DO NOT CARE!

If Creature is being persistent on calling me scum for ease rather than actually giving a shit about reading me, why should care about his read on me at all?

If implosion is still paranoid over a game that we played together about 2 years ago (give or take a few months), why would I want to fight back?

But here's a new one: With my belief M&M are scum, and with RC believing he totally pocketed me, then WHY SHOULD I WORRY??

I also was hoping scum would be foolish enough to shoot me, but that would have meant they are all noobs. No experienced player ever shoot a "used" Doctor over a "future" one in this setup, and if claims were all outed they'd always shoot future Cops over future Docs whenever they can.

[Almost50]

she's obviously going to claim n1 cop to deter her being lynched today

I’m night 2 but okay

you idiot.

So she still didn't say it herself! But I can see your point here. You expected her to be a Cop and she corrected you on the night. Fine.

Now can you see my PoV? You could very well have been "prompting her" to claim Cop to get out of the lynch. Is this too farfetched to be considered by someone who is not you?

I mean, all I wanted was to get Carca lynched today and move on, see what happens. But then skitter also flipped on me, and I really am not in the mood to fight 3-4 players calling me scum or considering the possibility.

If You're Town, I'm so sorry, but you do know the whole player list is paranoid of you and will never fully trust you until either you flip or the game is over, and CMod deflecting from checking the player who co-wrote the book of "How to win as SCUM" was still a bad move on his part, and sheds doubt on your alignment whether you like it or not.

[Almost50]

@RC: I mean, off the record, mate.. you know you are scary and

especially so as scum

. Right? What I don't get is why you get pissed off when people express their paranoia about you. It's a sign of RESPECT to your scum game, and that you should never be underestimated.

Once again, I concede that the quote from you before Carca's claim might explain the whole thing, and I could have made a mistake there, and I'm sorry if that's the case.

[Almost50]

i'm low-key thinking that carca should be saved for tomorrow tbh given that she did claim n2 cop;

Allow me to return the favour and call this a stupid argument. I already explained N_M faking a result on the N2 Cop is equal to her acting and giving a guilty on him on D3. A BETTER choice would have been to shoot her at night instead on BuJaber, which isn't the case. But even if we assume Carca flips green, then that's her having done her check on N_M and given us a guilty.

[Almost50]

VOTE: M&M

vote me.

we're lynching me then when i'm confirmed town everyone I have said dies dies.

What makes you think anyone would listen to you when you are dead??

The problem we have is the majority of players (me included) want to have "their own say". The difference is some take it too far and become self-centered as if they were the only townie or the only one with a brain, while some would try to play "with the team" and put their thoughts on the table and let the majority decide.

Forget it, pal. I don't want you dead here. You're either Town and are going to win us the game, or Scum whom I've pegged and we still lost to. (I actually rewrote this to look as teasing as it does. the original version didn't even include the possibility you're scum, but I feel like poking in the nose you a little.)

[Almost50]

2- What's the point of "trying" when i know it's going to fail? Am I here to solve the game or just make waves that would clog the thread with lots of back and forth debates and no real benefit (except creating a smoke screen for scum to hide in)?

3- Because I want to. Simple as that. I don't want to have to lynch you, so I choose to believe CMod is a Town Cop who checked you. Do you have any problems with that?

2. i mean you tried to lynch him yesterday when that wasn't happening either so i don't get why that reasoning applies to here?

3. i'm incredibly confused why you would have policied cmod today if he had checked rc irregardless of his result but you're just blasely listening to him after checking me. i don't get what changed

*sigh* You're not RC. Simple as that. You and I both know you wouldn't have a scum p fake a clear on you, so you're Town here either way, and I don't need to lynch CMod to verify YOUR alignment, which was the point of lynching him if he checked RC.

[Almost50]

a50 just ignore her. her playing for scum doesn't mean her role pm is scum. vote Implo

VOTE: implosion

Please God let RC flip Town in this game. I don't even care whether implo flips red or green, and I don't care if we win or lose. I just want to go back to trusting you the way I did 2 years ago, because I miss the good old days when I would look for games you've signed up to to join. (I also remember I killed you on N1 in my first game on MS, and I didn't even know who you were).

[Almost50]

Like.

Imagine if I was NSG right now and I was literally mod confirmed town.

Do you know how easy this game would be for town?

NSG doesn't need a cop check on her. She'd either play (as town) or not (as scum). I mean, Creature tried harder as scum!

[Almost50]

You haven't walked a mile in my shoes, don't tell me how to feel.
Did it ever occur to you LLD being as bitter as she was about mafia was more to do with the circumstances that she played the game under than anything to do with her?
Even MariaR who isn't like policy lynch level bitches constantly about how horrible of an experience it is to constantly be scumread for no reason.

Like it's actually game ruining. It's not fun. It doesn't help any party involved's win rate. All it does is make a shitty experience for me with no gain for anyone else.

Wait wait! LLD is a good scum, yes. I get that. Maria gets SR'd as town because she does scummy stuff as town.

But you know what? While I can't say I have been in your shoes I certainly can "imagine" how it would feel like if everyone was doing implosion or Maria to me. (implosion in general, because if he is scum here then that's justified). They auto-scum read me (as do some other players) but I certainly didn't get to the point where the whole player list wants to lynch me just to be sure. (I'm at the level of "let him be for a day or 2 and if he doesn't catch scum then he is likely one").

[Almost50]

@implosion: Why are you calling on me specifically when you're SRing me anyway? I'll switch back to Carca (correct play for today) if you can explain why you care about my read on you.

[Almost50]

@RC: Again I am thinking this is TOWN!Gamma. I mean, I'm getting "flashbacks" from the days when I could easily tell if he was town or scum, and I am fairly confident this is Town!him talking here.

[Almost50]

I think it's fine to save Carca for tomorrow;

Interesting! It looks like the game has changed considerably in the past few hours. Back in my days we used to lynch guilties more often, but now I see several people calling guilty to be spared!

Would you care to explain why?

[Almost50]

@skitter:

1- What happens if Carca lives through N2 and declares M&M guilty at the start of D3? What would you do then?

2- Also, what would you do is she checks someone other than M&M?

[Almost50]

What is the goal of asking skitter this question? It seems like a really obvious answer (lynching carca in this situation means either a scum lynch or two confirmed scum), and is a strange thing to ask skitter in particular.

Just something that occurred for me to ask, so that I would use it to argue with skitter after the game ends.

@skitter: Remind me to do this post-game, alright? I know the difference her is Carca has a guilty on her while CMod doesn't, but still you're lynching the Cop to verify their result. Yes?

I am not calling for CMod's head now

. I am now arguing my original PoV on D1 which you had considered stupid. Don't respond now either, and let's have our "big fight" post-game.

[Almost50]

I like how Carca isn't even pretending to have read the thread as outed scum but still somehow isn't lynched yet

I know we all want to be the dopest town that found all the best scum but at some point all the little sheep will come back and we will lynch Carca

Why not do something in the mean time? I'm calling for your lynch and you've said you don't like me as scum. skitter said she's fine with you or Carca and she's the cop inno. Why aren't you either trying to fight that pressure, or demonstrate that you're town via actively scumhunting?

@NC: I think you're playing "Bangkok Dangerous" as either alignment.

If you're town, maybe someone should try to "Drive -you- Angry", thus forcing you to transform into a "Spirit of Vengeance"? Otherwise; I'm afraid you're the "Next" best candidate for the chop, which would suck "Knowing" (after the fact) that we lynched a "Kick-Ass" "National Treasure".

If you're scum though, you're being "Bad

Lieutenant

" at "Adaptation" and you are likely to be found carrying an "8MM" which will result in you being "Gone in Sixty Seconds".

@All: Don't mind me. I'm just being silly reigniting my brain & verifying my 50 y.o. memory still works properly. Disregard this post at will.

[Almost50]

I can’t believe you forgot Con Air

I didn't. Just couldn't work something for that to fit.

[Almost50]

Why aren't you pushing NM then who should be confscum from your PoV?

You hit the nail right on the head

[Almost50]

VOTE: Carca

N_M already on the wagon, so someone else has got to do it.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Spoogh

I'm not going to bother getting into "let's lynch Gamma first for the fun of it". When N_M claimed a guilty on Carca I said to lynch Carca and IF she flips Town then we have a guilty on N_M. The same here. We lynch the guilty, and IF they flip Town then we have a guilty on Gamma.

I also maintain that I had a strong TR on Gamma here, and it's still the case. I doesn't make sense to me to lynch the Cop to verify the guilty here. Spoogh is no RC, and no one will be faking a guilty on him. (My stance on D1 was due to M&M being who they are. I can see scum faking a guilty on Town!them just to get them out of the way, and I can see a scum partner going all in faking an innocent on Scum!them all the same. Not the same thing with Spoogh).

[Almost50]

@CMod: Can you please hammer the caught scum to end the day? You can argue I'm scum in the morrow still. Thank you.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma

Are you kidding me? There's a wagon @L-1 already!!!

[Almost50]

I still just don’t see motivation for gamma to claim here if he’s scum and spoogh is town.

Right so I've been having a long think about things whilst at work, at the start of the day we had claimed:

A50-Doc
M&M-Doc
NM-Cop
Me-Cop
Skitter-Conf!Town

Implosion/NC/Spoog/Gamma-unclaimed

We also have 2 dead docs, 1 dead cop

As a mafia, you want to try and get rid of people who are yet to use their power, therefore claiming guilty on an unclaimed is 1 way of doing it as chances are, unclaimed are also unused

This could be a way of taking one for the team to take out someone still with a power, to help your buddy stay low under the radar

If this is the case then I think we either got 5 or 6 cops

I'll concede this is a possibility. Now, would you have faked the guilty on Spoogh or implosion out of that pool (if you were in Scum!Gamma's shoes, that is)?

Spoiler: My Answer

I would have claimed it on RC! But that's just me.

[Almost50]

Also, speaking to those who have played this set-up before

When a mafia claims doc/cop...what's the likelyhood of them using the information of how many of each roles are in game e.g. would a mafia claim to being a cop because they know there isn't a full set of 6 cops?

Of course they would. We have 2 Mafiosos/Mafiosi alive now, and they would both claim Cops if we have 4 Cops and 6 Doctors. They would both claim Doctors if it's the opposite, and one will claim Cop and the other Doctor if it was evenly split.

[Almost50]

So with Carca claiming Cop, chances are we probably have 5 cops max

Also, this was my reason behind not wanting to hammer onto Spoog quite yet, if spoog flips mafia then their claim of doc could mean that we are in a 5-5 game?

Yes to both, bar some bad play by Mafia (or some

good

play sacrificing oneself for the survival of another).

Like, if we had 6 Doctors and 4 Cops and then we massclaimed on D1 (say, just for the sake of argument) then 2 scums will safely claim Cop. The 2rd claiming Cop also makes us lynch in Cops first. However, the third claiming Doc makes us lynch in the Doctors first and leave the Cops alone.

[Almost50]

VOTE: spooge

eh

VOTE: Gamma

That's 2 players @L-1 with CMod to decide the lynch.

[Almost50]

unless you'd be willing to take a leap of faith with me <3

I'm not as crazy, and besides Gamma flipping town does make you more likely to get lynched. You've tried this on D2 (redirecting the wagon off the guilty) and again today, which doesn't make you look good at all (if Gamma does flip Town, which would mean Spoogh is indeed scum).

At least if Spoogh is lynched and flips red we have 2 mislynches at hand and I can still defend you. If he flips green then Gamma is conf!scum and you are in a much better position to lead the Town still.

[Almost50]

if he flips green then I'm in a much better position to get nightkilled and probably copped the same night.

Why would you be NK'd for driving a mislynch?

[Almost50]

Why not claim if you docced skitter?

because she's already cleared, so we don't need a doctor to confirm she was the NK target. The claim thus would only serve to expoase one more person for scum NOT to shoot tonight, thus narrowing the pool for them to shoot a N4/N5 Cop if in existence.

With Spoogh basically confirmed scum the Cop (if exists) is in skitter/NC/implo (not factoring in any clears or even reads). Everyone else is either dead or claimed.

[Almost50]

I agree that if you're a doc who docced me you shouldnt claim, but if you docced anyone else and it could be clearing you should

Well, it doesn't really matter now. Either Implosion or NC protected you (and the other is the 3rd scum). A very distant 3rd possibility is scum F'd up and didn't submit a kill last night (probably to be able to fake having protected someone?).

Anyway, this game is in the bag. With you & RC both being confirmed I have no problem.

Spoiler: Mechanical talk (You may skip if you're not into it)

Spoogh is the 2nd scum, leaving only one scum out there. The chance of it being M&M is exactly 0% because that would mean skitter is TOWN and thus her result is accurate.
Similarly, the chance of that last scum being skitter is now 0% because CMod would have to be TOWN and thus his result is accurate.
Theoretically CMod could be that last scum who faked an inno on skitter and is riding it. That won't even come to play as a realistic proposition unless BOTH implosion and NC flip Town.
The same could be applied to N_M with one difference: He bussed to get Town cred and is riding it.
That same logic should also apply to >me< from everyone's PoV. Theoretically I could have been faking and riding it all along.

So, to sum it up: Both skitter & M&M are mechanically clear 100% of the time. Myself, CMod and N_M are not mechanically confirmed, but are close enough. Last scum should be between NC & implosion, and if that's the case the Town wins 100% of the time and this game is over.

VOTE: spoogh

[Almost50]

@NC/@implosion: Is either of you claiming they protected skitter? Ok.. is either of you denying it??

[Almost50]

Huh, if everyone told the truth the last night of power we had was last night pretty much, barring scum nk'ing last night

That's IF you were protected last night. There is still a distant chance that the remaining PR is a N5 Cop or a N5 Doctor even, and scum just didn't shoot last night (yeah, that would be really bad play, but it's still a possibility).

[Almost50]

That's IF you were protected last night. There is still a distant chance that the remaining PR is a N5 Cop or a N5 Doctor even, and scum just didn't shoot last night (yeah, that would be really bad play, but it's still a possibility).

Yeah I'm thinking A50 is last scum.

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Do you confirm or deny you had skitter protected last night?