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Post Post #1700  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:59 pm

meh

i'm stuck between looking at toranaga like a Lady Lambdadelta situation where if i don't push this scumread through then nobody else shares my read and you guys get endgamed, and just thinking that reundo might have more scum equity.

in some sense it makes sense to go for the safe play and lynch tor first if reundo will get lynched anyways without me alive, but in another, less logical and more prideful sense i would prefer to lynch scum three days in a row.

In post 1698, Eragon wrote:because I feel Reundo played a pretty good game, and would be obv. town in normal conditions.

but it seems like that should be the way for everyone

if you're saying that the only reason reundo is being scumread is because his partners got lynched already and the associatives are catching him, my scumread on him isn't really based on associatives at all. not the main parts of it, at least.
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Post Post #1701  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 pm

I'm happy with agreeing Tora doesn't reach endgame as long as Reundo doesn't either :/

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Post Post #1702  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:44 pm

I think the biggest reason most of Keyser's defensive posts kept reading as scummy af to me is because he almost always resort to "OMG town does this thing too IT'S A TERRIBLE REASON TO SR ME" instead of explaining the thought process for why he did a thing in this particular game and context.

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Post Post #1703  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:49 pm

In post 1603, Eragon wrote:wow... ok then...

im like 95% confident last scum is in (keyser/NSG)

i could see TW, but i just really dont...

VOTE: Keyser Soze


p-edit: Tora, those posts are hot damn...


You think NSG would have bussed Dunnstral that hard through Keyser's objections?

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Post Post #1704  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:49 pm

In post 1609, Toranaga wrote:last scum is actually incredibly hard to figure out and I can see eragon's posts on d2 as not w/w with dunn as well

I really don't know where to go.

are we sure nauci is town?


Yeah, you are

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Post Post #1705  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:52 pm

In post 1613, Eragon wrote:
In post 1579, Flicker wrote:Votecount 2.28 - FINAL

Dunnstral (6) - northsidegal , Eragon , Toranaga , Keyser Söze , Nauci , the worst
Eragon (3) - Irrelephant11 , Dunnstral , Ausuka
Ausuka (1) - Reundo

Not voting: N/A

A lynch has been achieved!


this is yesterday's final VC, it really tells us nothing, but when you put it to the VC at the top of the same page, TW was voting me, and when it seemed there was no turning back from a dunn lynch, he hammered.

also, he gave up his dunn TR with "eh, maybe i was dreaming it"

and then finally, his fake hammer on dunn for ?false spew?


p-edit:UNVOTE: Keyser
ill give ya time m8


I'm like 99% sure that the last scum is Keyser or TW but the NK points me to Keyser because TW would have shot within keyser/irrelephant/myself/nsg, which is much more threatening to his existence than going for a NK for WIFOM purposes. Unless TW doesn't think any of us are all that good, in which case :cry:

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Post Post #1706  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:54 pm

I guess I can't 100% rule out irrelephant or toranaga

but I 100% rule out nsg/reundo/eragon/myself

P.S. Sorry Toranaga for being illiterate and thinking your name was Toranga for days

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Post Post #1707  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:59 pm

In post 1648, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1642, Eragon wrote:
In post 1539, the worst wrote:lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

In post 1573, the worst wrote:
In post 1539, the worst wrote:lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

In post 1576, the worst wrote:actually I think I dreamed up reasons to townread Dunn
VOTE: Dunnstral
if this greens Eragon tmrw obviously and we have his partner in the fucks who tried to manipulate the wagon : ]

In post 1615, the worst wrote:KING DUCKLING
LOLHAMMERING SCUM SINCE 2K18

brb


i dont really think that these posts feel natural to me with Dunn interactions

This is the Worst’s dance.

He’ll do exactly what you expect and don’t expect in an over the top performance.

Strip away the music, and you’re left with a distancing attempt and healthy dose of WIFOM that he can fall back on.


Well this is a good genuine call out of many of the things that have made me think TW was scum here

but would TW really roll scum against me this many times

poor sod

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Post Post #1708  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:01 am

Okay I've concluded that until I have a couple of days to dig through Reundo's game history I'm not sure of anything

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Post Post #1709  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:10 am

In post 1684, northsidegal wrote:eragon scum being based off of how dunnstral came at me when i noted the punctuation thing about kop in much the same way that he only really showed up to attack the people scumreading volxen

ducky scum being based off of potential overconfidence in volxen's scumflip and maybe the eragon wagon / position on dunnstral day two (obviously given town!eragon if ducky!scum)

toranaga scum being based off of just my own personal scumread, as well as i guess the really weird way that his dunnstral read flipped like 10 times during the first few days of Day 2


Pretty sure we caught Dunn because he specifically went after every and only the easy opportunities for things to call out instead of any in depth thought processes, and challenging you on a read like that was top 3 easiest things to fake nuanced views on

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Post Post #1710  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:11 am

based purely on VCA, it's Ducky

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Post Post #1711  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:12 am

In post 1684, northsidegal wrote:eragon scum being based off of how dunnstral came at me when i noted the punctuation thing about kop in much the same way that he only really showed up to attack the people scumreading volxen

ducky scum being based off of potential overconfidence in volxen's scumflip and maybe the eragon wagon / position on dunnstral day two (obviously given town!eragon if ducky!scum)

toranaga scum being based off of just my own personal scumread, as well as i guess the really weird way that his dunnstral read flipped like 10 times during the first few days of Day 2


Also that sort of flipping back and forth almost invariably comes from town and I'm pretty sure MathDino would back me on this one

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Post Post #1712  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:17 am

Ngl if I was scum I'd be at the point of fucked/exhausted I'd start lolshooting into the townblock and hoping the watcher just rolls the dice differently

very low value self meta but yee

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Post Post #1713  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:19 am

I'm going to take a hard look at Reundo but I'd like to request that everyone currently townreading him re-evaluate Keyser. Can you put into words why you feel Keyser is definitely town? I can put into words why I town read all of the people I town read, but I feel like the town reads on Keyser are sort of coasting on the fact that he's posting with high effort, without seeing the pacing and narrative of his moves and considering the possibility that he's scum here.

I'm also going to re-evaluate Irrelephant, but my gut says that he would have done more to prevent his partners from getting lynched because this is a difficult game to deepwolf.

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Post Post #1714  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:18 am

In post 1702, Nauci wrote:I think the biggest reason most of Keyser's defensive posts kept reading as scummy af to me is because he almost always resort to "OMG town does this thing too IT'S A TERRIBLE REASON TO SR ME" instead of explaining the thought process for why he did a thing in this particular game and context.

I did make one final defence post pointing out that all your reasons to scum read me were a) not alignment indicative b) wrong c) strong evidence of you being caught in confirmation bias :good:

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Post Post #1715  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:26 am

In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum

But TW still votes Eragon when I had worked up a last ditch effort to get Eragon wiped from the game....
I would have probably been lynched today if I hadn’t changed my mind on Eragon. That was two viable misslynches he could work with.

Smells like: scummy opportunism
Tastes like: TW scum-meta

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Post Post #1716  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:28 am

In post 1714, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1702, Nauci wrote:I think the biggest reason most of Keyser's defensive posts kept reading as scummy af to me is because he almost always resort to "OMG town does this thing too IT'S A TERRIBLE REASON TO SR ME" instead of explaining the thought process for why he did a thing in this particular game and context.

I did make one final defence post pointing out that all your reasons to scum read me were a) not alignment indicative b) wrong c) strong evidence of you being caught in confirmation bias :good:


At almost no points in your many posts have I felt like I had a window into what you were thinking, only that what you said wasn't alignment indicative. So you responded by saying that it wasn't alignment indicative. :|

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Post Post #1717  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:29 am

Gonna start looking at my town reads now (as I feel like I’m already too confident to pull the trigger on TW).

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Post Post #1718  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:32 am

I have been explaining my reads... and where I think the vote should be... and where I think it shouldn’t...


I haven’t been this empty vessel as you’re trying to portray. I think it’s the first game where I’ve been happy to freely use my vote. I usually just sit on it, but what use is a sheathed sword?

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Post Post #1719  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:10 am

In post 1715, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum

But TW still votes Eragon when I had worked up a last ditch effort to get Eragon wiped from the game....
I would have probably been lynched today if I hadn’t changed my mind on Eragon. That was two viable misslynches he could work with.

Smells like: scummy opportunism
Tastes like: TW scum-meta


> single quote out of context
oh sweaty
follow my iso for a bit and see if you see my reasons for voting Eragon.

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Post Post #1720  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:13 am

I wish I'm never a lady lambdadelta situation no matter what that means

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Post Post #1721  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:14 am

TW, I'm not really scumreading you, but I don't see anyone else who could really be a wolf right now

VOTE: the worst

sorry buddy

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Post Post #1722  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:17 am

if I'm to explain why I think it's you: you had a very sudden change of heart wrt your own volxen read and started talking about volxen like he was lockscum when he was not, and I think the way you approached the whole thing was supposed to get you killed n1 as the watcher (minor point); your progression on dunnstral makes no sense and feels the most like scum distancing who doesn't wanna defend someone that will eventually flip anyway on one hand, but otoh wants to get another lynch through on d2.

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Post Post #1723  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:44 am

I really don’t want to start hunting into my town reads tomorrow.

This game :giggle:

I think they’ve already had a great game if TW flips green.

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Post Post #1724  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:48 am

In post 1719, the worst wrote:
In post 1715, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum

But TW still votes Eragon when I had worked up a last ditch effort to get Eragon wiped from the game....
I would have probably been lynched today if I hadn’t changed my mind on Eragon. That was two viable misslynches he could work with.

Smells like: scummy opportunism
Tastes like: TW scum-meta


> single quote out of context
oh sweaty
follow my iso for a bit and see if you see my reasons for voting Eragon.

Yes, I’ve read the ‘reasons’ why you voted Eragon, but I opened up the avenue for you to jump ship.

The Eragon wagon became very real at one stage. Desperate times mean desperate measures.

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