Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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I would love to be scum in this setup lmaooo

pedit: I agree NSG is probably still town

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Keyser still really doesn't feel like scum to me :s

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last scum is obviously good lmao
it's just in {Tora, Rel, Reundo} outside chance of Nauci everyone else is like too high town equity

can't really be bothered crossing names out if this bracket atm but i know I need to

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VOTE: eragon

do you rly think we had two heavily competing wagons on scum yday?

eragon is really towny today so I don't think so

but it could have been a thing certainly

I'm kind of leaning you rn cause of d1 EOD TMI, but I can't get over how towny GNB was and some of your strongest dunn/volxen pushes look really good too

I just... don't know where else to look. everyone looks like town.

Ok given you've voiced none of this til now, more or less treated me like I'm town then gone L0LWAGONZ suddenly d3 after I've been involved in shaming scum b2b can you see why my read of you based on d3 is diminishing hard?

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At least TW has written off all other possible rival wagons to his own

What’s your play today?

IF I GO DOWN I BRING THE FILTHY SCUMFUCK WITH ME
yeah I don't dig the gamestate rn

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iRELlephant

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I think he's pretty high town equity too tbqh I've just been warned to look the fuck out for his scumgame and need to reassess whether his distancing from volxen and Dunn feels organic or whether he had them pinned for scumbuddies going down

he's tentatively the one I wanna remove from the PoE the most

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It would just be so weird if Dunn actually wanted his last buddy in Eragon lynched. d2 didn't feel like competing scumwagons.

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I'm aware of that
assuming I'm town where the fuck do we go next?

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early vote park on his rvs on Dunn doesn't actually feel partnery at all..switch to Sesq was legit and Rel jumped on the same E issues I had originally

yuck I hope this isn't scumRel or I'm fucked

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lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

actually I think I dreamed up reasons to townread Dunn
VOTE: Dunnstral
if this greens Eragon tmrw obviously and we have his partner in the fucks who tried to manipulate the wagon : ]

KING DUCKLING
LOLHAMMERING SCUM SINCE 2K18

brb

i dont really think that these posts feel natural to me with Dunn interactions

Scuse me?

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I'm aware of that
assuming I'm town where the fuck do we go next?

That’s where you’ve messed up.
You’ve given yourself no outs.

#stilltown

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j
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I think I want this
VOTE: Reundo

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if either of you guys are town I hope you feel bad for not appreciating my sense of humour

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oh at least one of you has to be town
I hope that one ir both of you feel bad

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can someone better at meta reads iso Reundo in this game? something intangible is just missing.

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its really weird...

becuase the worst is scummy...
and his current actions are scummy

but then he goes and calls 3 almost-lock-town scum, and votes...
basically closing off the easy routes.

so either TW
1. gave up because its like 1 v 6 or 1 v 7 or smth, and is just trying to through doubt
2. is actually town
3. scum WIFOM like you said

yo sp00kyboy engage with me so when you mislynch me you know where to lynch next

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can someone better at meta reads iso Reundo in this game? something intangible is just missing.

to elaborate a little without giving him obvious ways to redeem himself. there's a kind of absolute unshakeable lucidity in his thought processes that game which I'm just not seeing here.

his early posting this game feels nitpicky. it's not scumhunting, it's pushing and prodding and seeing if anything will stick.

he isn't playing like he's seeing this game like a big puzzle imo -- he's posting enough to skate by.

this dude is crazy good town especially for a newbie. where's the trajectory? where's the nuance? where's the sheer engagement and post count? it feels to me like he's rolled scum for the first time and is imitating himself.

I misread him as town in another newbie just after this but in hindsight this game were getting even less Reundo. my issue there was probably attributable to him getting fired up. this time round there's just.. not anything



pedit: yeah in retrospect I see what you mean about scum!Rel winning this. I don't want to lynch him even if he's just outside of my PoE T_T

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what if I told you NSG is 1000000% town
and keyser is 75% town

pedit: Thank you, just talk to me about how you ~vibe~ it

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I present to you
pierelephant11

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I’d be very uncomfortable lynching Reundo today (he has more town cred than even me!)

you gonna take a look and talk to me about why Reundo is hardcore town in your book or just bury your head in the sand with consensus reads? lmao

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Why NSG? Eragon

basically PoE and some of the stuff Tora said was good.

I dont have much of a strong read on her, but I think if neither you nor ducky flip scum, then its probably them

what stuff that Tora said about NSG was good lmao

why don't you have a strong read on her? particular post Dunn flip

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I’d be very uncomfortable lynching Reundo today (he has more town cred than even me!)

you gonna take a look and talk to me about why Reundo is hardcore town in your book or just bury your head in the sand with consensus reads? lmao

Already talked about him D1, D2 and D3.

Can multi quote when on laptop (in morning).

I'm asking for a reassessment : ( I've read all your posts fam

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what if I told you NSG is 1000000% town
and keyser is 75% town

pedit: Thank you, just talk to me about how you ~vibe~ it

then id be uncomfortable and probably vote you

idrc
if you lynch NSG you're bad
if NSG is scum she's far enough outside her scumrange she deserves the win

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I'll BBL awesome people <3

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NSG why is Reundo near locktown for you in that case?

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I feel like yday is really anti associative for scum!Eragon like Dunn actually wanted him dead. I think him jumping at you on the grammar thing was probably more likely to be chomping down on lynchbait than defending a scumbuddy but that's like just my take

pedit: ya lmao

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it didn't.... feel like 2 wagons on scum y'know? like Dunn was survivalistic wrt pushing scum!Erago and I thought he was crumbing watcher or I was drastically fucking up my scumread on him

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given he woulda been down to one buddy his best play would have been to flail and live for the day to cost us 1 mislynch and set up his last buddy to dive into the townblock, jamming a really clunky cw against him just... feels too newb!scum vs newb!scum to leave me satisfied....

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there's probably a world where it's just Era but I'm convincing myself we don't live in that world : /

his posting has been more or less ok too just some of his reads have felt a little forced
#relatable

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I'm happy with agreeing Tora doesn't reach endgame as long as Reundo doesn't either :/

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Ngl if I was scum I'd be at the point of fucked/exhausted I'd start lolshooting into the townblock and hoping the watcher just rolls the dice differently

very low value self meta but yee

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Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum

But TW still votes Eragon when I had worked up a last ditch effort to get Eragon wiped from the game....
I would have probably been lynched today if I hadn’t changed my mind on Eragon. That was two viable misslynches he could work with.

Smells like: scummy opportunism
Tastes like: TW scum-meta

> single quote out of context
oh sweaty
follow my iso for a bit and see if you see my reasons for voting Eragon.

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yes because overfocusing on nullreads is a thing that scum actually do

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ty <3
do reundo next

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@tw how willing are you to be the designated lynch to help all of us distracted by your slot sort the rest of the playerlist?
@keyser same question

I am also fully aware I am D5’s lynch if TW flips green.

^^^ fuck that primarily for this reason.
you'll mislynch two high town equity slots because you're all distracted by stupid shit which puts you in LyLo with {Reundo, Nauci, Tora} most likely all alive and the actual last scum is one of those 3 sooo

if you need to lynch me and you can all leave Keyser alive and hunt in that block that's fine.

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yeah tw needs to claim, and contrary to d1 I think we should actually move the vote somewhere else if he does claim watcher

TW's only play as scum here is to claim VT

I am indeedy a backup/vt
last sentence gross af
that's my only play as either scum or actual backup lmaoo

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you realise its pretty exhausting that you fucks are so used to playing against me that you can't read me for shit right? I don't give a fuck about your reaction test.

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also after catching up I cannot look at Keyser anymore oml

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yeah tw needs to claim, and contrary to d1 I think we should actually move the vote somewhere else if he does claim watcher

TW's only play as scum here is to claim VT

I am indeedy a backup/vt
last sentence gross af
that's my only play as either scum or actual backup lmaoo

oh god that's gross as fuck tw lol

ok who's scum?

gross af is my middle name lmaaoo

Spoiler:

reundo

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all I'm doing is opening your eyes to how I perceive it :C sorry fam

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nawt yet but he has a real life too so I wouldn't worry too much about the lateness in responding

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sheer WIM, town/scum equity discounted
.......
IMO!!!

Keyser

~ tooth and nail regardless of alignment

Rel

~ sleeping through the game

Tora

~ hard call but mostly frequency + speed of producing slightly nuanced opinions

ducky

~ I want the win but I'm exhausted.

Era

~ kinda less conviction and grit than the top of the list but defs feelin it

Nauci

~ entrance begs to be townread which is helpful for her slot, kinda lacking a powerhouse win kinda deal?? like she's still getting fired up. there isn't a level of lucidity I'm craving.

NSG

~ wants the win but exhausted also washed up, vote on me earlier this phase was p anti WIM from town!sidegal who I'm p sure we're dealing w here

Reundo

~

Who?

ndo

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ngl lack of WIM is defo polishing my Reundo scumread lmaooo

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duck

i have things to do with my life that aren't 6-8 hours/day 7 days a week of mafia tryharding in just this game

if what ive contributed thus far isn't powerhouse enough, then kindly gtfo my apparently-regular house; ive already contributed enough information to sort what there is to sort short of new information coming in

side note, not sure if ill ever see irrelephant so fired up as when he needed to defend our scum butts

that was a wim list not a townlist
I think you're probably just town tbqh

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@The worst - I bet you wouldn’t mind being lynched today like me would you?

i'd be more or less ok w that as long as reundo was lynched tomorrow

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yes but I win by setting you guys up to powerlynch the last scum before you lynch me

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I have a pretty good feeling tbh

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I re-examined how the sesq wagon came about in response to the first volxen wagon

New reads:

Eragon
Reundo
Keyser Söze
Ausuka
Toranaga
Nauci
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northsidegal
Dunnstral

check nsg's scum meta
check Reundo's town meta

Please can you tell me more about this.

I am currently building a meta-case.

have you seen a scumgame of NSG's?
and did you read the towngame of Reundo's I posted?
I kinda feel like both are super self-explanatory

the reason I started seriousposting today is because the lynchpool is myself and a strong townread of mine which is DUMB >:/

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Hmmm... the Reundo in this game has lost his voice.

There is no soul in his posts!

It’s like a demon has possessed the body of Reundo and is trying to mimic him!

thank you--this is what I'm feeling too.
he's transparently good at town, this feels like him trying to mimic that.

and I don't think he strongly bussed his partners? but yes his reactions are completely within the range of what i'd expect from scum!Reundo

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@the worst, can you actually prove I'm scum without referring back to my town meta? Like, pretend this is the very first game you've ever seen me play -- how do you prove I'm scum? I can only buy your paranoia for so long when you aren't even bothering to try to read me on the things I've actually done in this specific game for their own merit instead of always relating them back to "town!Reundo would play better than this!!!!!".

well like the problem we have atm is everyone looks like town for their own respective reasons
if you're not scum who the hell is?

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@the worst, can you actually prove I'm scum without referring back to my town meta? Like, pretend this is the very first game you've ever seen me play -- how do you prove I'm scum? I can only buy your paranoia for so long when you aren't even bothering to try to read me on the things I've actually done in this specific game for their own merit instead of always relating them back to "town!Reundo would play better than this!!!!!".

well like the problem we have atm is everyone looks like town for their own respective reasons
if you're not scum who the hell is?

as a caveat to this: wolfy self-defence >.>

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THE POWER OF MITH COMPELS YOU
THE POWER OF MITH COMPELS YOU

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I'm p much out of energy
have delivered you all the player I can see being the last wolf here

if it's not him I guess it's probably just Keyser and I'm shit at reading him

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look I feel about as good as the Reundo solve as you all probably do on the TW solve so there's a world where it's wrong. the only potential solves I see in guilty conscience here are {Keyser, Tora} and there's a very fine line between nuance and guilt

Era feels like a wolf today but he's probably just...nott.....

NSG is right, if you think NSG is scum you're bad at mafia. even if she's scum. if Rel is scum I'll quit mafia etc. etc. Nauci is kinda harder to townread than usual but she's almost certainly town by gamestate and PoE

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back in a couple of days if I'm not hammered

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I mean his fakeclaim was meme levels of scum flailing
does like...anyone disagree? lmao

pedit: GNB's posting was garbage
look at any of his other games
his posting is garbage regardless of alignment

you guys need to read me, not my pred who can't play mafia

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you guys need to read me, not my pred who can't play mafia

actually this is exclusively @Nauci atm
Tora is fine

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hardclaim opportunistic cornered town
I'll lynch Keyser over myself if you all agree not to mislynch me if he flips town

I'm just super worried we're both in the same position of having been irreparably PoE'd

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hardclaim opportunistic cornered town
I'll lynch Keyser over myself if you all agree not to mislynch me if he flips town

I'm just super worried we're both in the same position of having been irreparably PoE'd

Are myself and Reundo your bottom two reads now?

I haven't hard reassessed my reads based on the last few pages but you're dropping hard :c I still think Reundo needs to die before endgame but I think your flip is close to being a necessity

That said lynching through both of us feels.. bad

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I'm laughing so hard rn
Keyser meltdown 11/10

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Hi
This is me not selfhammering!

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Oh I'm l-2
still not selfvoting

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Strangely enough I was thinking yesterday that I'd be pretty content if this was a scumgame. It'd be very amusing if I was picking up a meta of perfect scum losses against NSG.

unfortunately just a kinda meh town game, I'm trending downward in quality of play atm. I think it might be better picking this convo up post-game tho.

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now we play the waiting game

intent to be released from my suffering

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(not akshully hammering btw)

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still town. sorry all.

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I was still just a Jedi apprentice... it's Emperor Palpatine you're after :<

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MS needs engaging, respectful people who are competitive about mafia whenever they're playing it

a mafia game only works if you care about it

I'm having kind of a frustrating experience with mafiascum recently because it feels a lot of people either stop caring midway through or never really wanted to play it in the first place. this game is good because almost every slot is engaging and trying.

this is a really really good call. I feel kinda crappy for how little energy I have to offer at the moment but I'm really hoping I can do what I can to help restore the enthusiasm.

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I'm sorry I can't help it D:

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sorry.

yeah NSG is not scum. Rel is not scum. I'll literally need to take a break from mafia in general if I'm wrong on either of those because fuuuck
I don't want Keyser to be scum but there's a world where I'm wrong.

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{NSG, Rel}
{Eragon}
{Nauci, Tora}
{Keyser}
{}
{Reundo}

last guesses.

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not a lot of trajectory last game day sorry. didn't really like Keyser's lack of empathy to my suggestion that he was basically a necessary lynch (tbf I did dramatize it a bit but I would have expected him to give me the time of day considering at LEAST our mutual respect for each others' hammy posting styles. )

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if Reundo is wolf and endgames this you're all bad

please please sort him with extreme prejudice tomorrow and act accordingly (was kinda my intention today but I was always eating a lynch so it's fine)

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but he's more than capable of spewing EXTREMELY GOOD analysis as town. his posting so far hasn't held a candle to what I've seen come out of him before.

on the flip flop I level 1 wolfed him and we're dealing with more of a fed wolf so don't lockscum that, just be really really careful with it

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didn't get a chance to read Nauci as critically as I would've liked

another townie who has a very high chance of flipping the table on this game (if she's town) and there's a bit of WIM missing. like there's passion I'm used to seeing in her posting which isn't quite there.

this reads closer to genuinely busyfulness related than Reundo if that makes sense, like Nauci's level of WIM in a normal towngame is higher than Reundo's and her WIM is much higher than his here but there's still so high to climb nnggfhhh

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assuming duck isn't twilight trolling I think my opinions have been made clear

this is such a townsidegal post too I think
wish I had the enthusiasm to twilight troll this hard

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this doesn't read like what I'd expect from scum!you but I think after Heroes Wanted I probably have an unreasonably high opinion of town!Tora, which will totally mellow out.

I don't weak townread you necessarily I'm just super confident on NSG/Rel and would be surprised if Era flips red.

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we probably just needed a supervillain to scream at for a bit tbh

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yeah I'm completely on the same page, sans knowledge I've mentioned above

I can't really think if anyone here should have known better. wolfiest thing in Nauci's ISO is her rep in comment about my towngame then acting like it was a reaction test once I became lynchable but she doesn't feel like a wolf otherwise rip

you're fine though sorry for getting distracted. Heroes Wanted lategame was a super unique situation where very few of us realised that scum were steamrolling despite the early lunches and we had to make a lot of changes to turn things around. that kind of locktown level of gamestate read has happened to me... twice ever I think?

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if I'm right on Reundo too I want so much bread post-game. x( and that's a fair call, I think my current lack of investment is the death of my charisma which makes everything I do look shonky.

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given he did the fakeclaim I don't think it was his intention to roll over and die nah

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kinda just read like keeping a low profile until he realised he was in danger

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given he then wouldn't be NK'd which spews him as not-TPR I don't think volxen actually benefits from bussing a scumbuddy last minute tbqh

pedit: yeah Era is right

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fair

I'd say it's like 1% > rand town for the Sesq slot but it's not strong

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Era is durnk again

Pedit: totally agree just sort Nauci on Nauci imo
Sesq is a mess to read

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fakeclaiming as town is pretty frowned upon in MS site culture like I think other sites are more tolerant of fps nonsense but it gains you a policy lynch more often than not here ~_~

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Well done guys. This was really well fought, congratulations on savagely murdering the right guy in the end.

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also, very very nice modding Flicker!

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Tora's taking a break from mafia >: