Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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Post Post #1725  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:51 am

In post 543, Keyser Söze wrote:FOS Taranaga (hey Taranaga, please give me a rating for a) effort b) believability c) sincerity).

In post 166, Toranaga wrote:volxen/sesq/271 all fine lynches

Taranaga name drops his scum partner’s name and two other viable wagons.
Does not go into detail or present his scum case on any of them.

In post 168, Toranaga wrote:do you think it's beneficial or necessary to talk about things that you clearly don't think are alignment indicative?

Taranaga asks this question to Volxen: it’s a very non-aggressive/rhetorical question you would ask your scum partner. I suspect it was soft-distancing.

In post 190, Toranaga wrote:keyser, idk man, I lost interest with this game cause nobody is playing it

half the slots are scummy so idek where to vote

I asked Taranaga why he still had not voted (despite expressing 3 names he would like to lynch). I did not believe he was being sincere here. The tone feels fake. The excuse weak.

Taranaga replaced into the game full of character and venom, but has suddenly lost the motivation and town initiative to put his money where his mouth is...? Smells like a scum who doesn’t want to put unnecessary pressure on his scum mate... and watch the current misslynch wagon thrive (this is serious tin foil hat territory now! Who is still reading?)

Taranaga has promised us content but not delivered (instead he appears more concerned with fronting a relaxed /friendly exterior).

In post 402, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: volxen

volxen made a lot of scumsplaining and description posts that added no leans and didn't help the game move forward. I think he has a bigger chance of being scum than sesq who is probably kind of... incoherent? regardless of what they rand.

I don’t like the timing of this. I feel like Taranaga could see the change of wind from Sesq to Volxen, so decided it was time to finally post his ‘case’ on Volxen and hop onto the wagon (I.e the golden ticket to town cred).

@Toranaga

Why did you town read me for this?

Why was it not scum-keyser shading you/ missrepping you?

Was I merely a dumb townie in your eyes?

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Post Post #1726  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:58 am

yes you're VI as fuck

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Post Post #1727  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:59 am

I don't mean this as an insult, you're a good player keyser

I just think you're very honest and relatable on a newer player sort of way

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Post Post #1728  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:05 am

also it's ok to be wrong about people, I was pushing ausuka and NSG hard and I was probably 0/2 there wasn't I

I don't see the scum motivation in anyone casing me d2

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Post Post #1729  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:15 am

In post 1728, Toranaga wrote:also it's ok to be wrong about people, I was pushing ausuka and NSG hard and I was probably 0/2 there wasn't I

I don't see the scum motivation in anyone casing me d2

Yes, that's what I've learnt recently, if you have a read air it. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. The road you take with that read will strengthen your understanding of that player on the long run. As long as you end up voting/lynching scum all is forgiven.

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Post Post #1730  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:18 am

In post 1727, Toranaga wrote:I don't mean this as an insult, you're a good player keyser

I just think you're very honest and relatable on a newer player sort of way

Not insulted mate. I've tried to be as transparent as possible (I know my wording is still not 100% site-friendly).

This game is about idiots and stubborn players coming together as a team. Leave emotion and your pride at the door.

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Post Post #1731  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:22 am

In post 1726, Toranaga wrote:yes you're VI as fuck

What did you think of Irrelephant's case on you?

I wouldn't put him in the VI category... :shifty:

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Post Post #1732  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:40 am

In post 1731, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1726, Toranaga wrote:yes you're VI as fuck

What did you think of Irrelephant's case on you?

I wouldn't put him in the VI category... :shifty:

I think all cases on me are quite terrible, but as far as irrelephant is concerned, I'd check d1 EOD where he was bugging volxen to not be in antispew and make reads as he was going down. I think irrelephant is close to spewed clear based off that already and I've seen no reasons to scumread him otherwise.

my irrelephant read is close to my read on everyone else but the worst. very good villagery sounding posting + spewed clear by scum. you, for instance, is kind of spewed clear by volxen using pushes on you to attack people with.

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Post Post #1733  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:47 am

We’ve done well this game by lynching the players who don’t look like townies so I suggest we continue with that strategy :cool: :giggle:

Yeah, I think I had you and Irelephant scoring highest in ‘villagery sounding posts’ and tone too. It took you a while to get your head in the game though tbf, hence why I didn’t trust you D1.

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Post Post #1734  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:53 am

Re-reading Volxen’s entrance... he loved defending me when I was being wrongfully attacked for asking that NAI game setup question. Plus, he spent way too much time talking about a null read (Game Burger).

Who replaced GameBurger....? :shifty:

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Post Post #1735  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 am

Let me just check the OP...

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Post Post #1736  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:34 am

yes because overfocusing on nullreads is a thing that scum actually do
:lol:

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Post Post #1737  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:39 am

Was thinking bad scum-distancing...

Ok, gonna stop fixating over your slot.

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Post Post #1738  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:39 am

ty <3
do reundo next

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Post Post #1739  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:26 am

VOTE: the worst
In post 1612, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1609, Toranaga wrote:last scum is actually incredibly hard to figure out and I can see eragon's posts on d2 as not w/w with dunn as well

I really don't know where to go.

are we sure nauci is town?

yes, nauci is town. the duck is scum.

correct
In post 1626, the worst wrote:I would love to be scum in this setup lmaooo

pedit: I agree NSG is probably still town

In post 1627, the worst wrote:Keyser still really doesn't feel like scum to me :s

not sure who's gonna be left as a scumread for you...
In post 1630, the worst wrote:last scum is obviously good lmao
it's just in {Tora, Rel, Reundo} outside chance of Nauci everyone else is like too high town equity

can't really be bothered crossing names out if this bracket atm but i know I need to

Interesting. This reminds me of Dunnstral's suddent "scumread" of me last game day.
Others are interpreting this as "too unique to be scum" but I think I see it as just you going for the Reundo mislynch 'cause he's not around
In post 1636, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1630, the worst wrote:last scum is obviously good lmao
it's just in {Tora, Rel, Reundo} outside chance of Nauci everyone else is like too high town equity

can't really be bothered crossing names out if this bracket atm but i know I need to

Unfortunately the mob would lynch me or you before these 3 :giggle:

lol true
In post 1638, the worst wrote:I think he's pretty high town equity too tbqh I've just been warned to look the fuck out for his scumgame and need to reassess whether his distancing from volxen and Dunn feels organic or whether he had them pinned for scumbuddies going down

he's tentatively the one I wanna remove from the PoE the most

If I were scum I'd have two living partners <3
In post 1639, the worst wrote:It would just be so weird if Dunn actually wanted his last buddy in Eragon lynched. d2 didn't feel like competing scumwagons.

I agree with this
In post 1648, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1642, Eragon wrote:
In post 1539, the worst wrote:lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

In post 1573, the worst wrote:
In post 1539, the worst wrote:lynch Eragon not Dunn
the fuck

In post 1576, the worst wrote:actually I think I dreamed up reasons to townread Dunn
VOTE: Dunnstral
if this greens Eragon tmrw obviously and we have his partner in the fucks who tried to manipulate the wagon : ]

In post 1615, the worst wrote:KING DUCKLING
LOLHAMMERING SCUM SINCE 2K18

brb


i dont really think that these posts feel natural to me with Dunn interactions

This is the Worst’s dance.

He’ll do exactly what you expect and don’t expect in an over the top performance.

Strip away the music, and you’re left with a distancing attempt and healthy dose of WIFOM that he can fall back on.

lolllll this is so rude but also hilarious
In post 1654, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1644, the worst wrote:early vote park on his rvs on Dunn doesn't actually feel partnery at all..switch to Sesq was legit and Rel jumped on the same E issues I had originally

yuck I hope this isn't scumRel or I'm fucked

Already said scum-Irrelephant has already won this game :P
But I think this is the same inquisitive soul that I played with in my last game. He’s had his nose and fingers in every pie this game. Not in a scummy/opportunistic way, but in a global scum hunting style. Plus, he’s had so many chances to misslynch my ass this game it’s not funny. Nauci-Irrephant would have powered through any lynch if they stood together.

Aw thanks, this would be a medium good scum game for me (in terms of deepwolfing, not losing my partners obv)
Instead this is turning out to be one of my fav town games
In post 1658, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - “If you say that someone has a finger in every pie, you mean they are involved in a lot of things. He very much likes to have a finger in every pie. He's a man with fingers in a lot of pies.”

In post 1664, the worst wrote:Image
I present to you
pierelephant11

I WAS GONNA DO THIS DANGIT
hahahahaha
In post 1680, Nauci wrote:That's 3 players who see the same weirdness from Keyser this game and at least 2 of us aren't scum lol

People who hard town read Keyser: what's the thing that has you most convinced he's town?

Well I know you keep referencing American Pres as a reason to scumread him
But I had the unique experience of sharing dual townclear with him for two (three?) day phases. It was really fun being this conftown team, and it feels exactly the same working alongside him to figure this game out
It also forced me to reevaluate all my reasons for scumreading him and realize most of them belonged to a town meta I didn't intuitively understand, which is what you seem to be coming up against
But I agree Keyser should be in the PoE at this point
In post 1682, northsidegal wrote:anyways, i would be surprised if this game wasn't won by lynching toranaga, the worst and eragon (maybe in that order)

Mmmmm I don't want to lynch Toranaga ever I think
Look again at how he moved wagon movement to volxen D1
Look at the time stamps
He chose volxen's lynch 100%, and not as a team with tw trying to lose their weakest member (like I tinfoiled awhile back)
Eragon can be in your PoE I guess :?
In post 1706, Nauci wrote:I guess I can't 100% rule out irrelephant or toranaga

but I 100% rule out nsg/reundo/eragon/myself

P.S. Sorry Toranaga for being illiterate and thinking your name was Toranga for days

This is a good set of people to rule out, and I don't even mind you're including yourself
In post 1713, Nauci wrote:I'm going to take a hard look at Reundo but I'd like to request that everyone currently townreading him re-evaluate Keyser. Can you put into words why you feel Keyser is definitely town? I can put into words why I town read all of the people I town read, but I feel like the town reads on Keyser are sort of coasting on the fact that he's posting with high effort, without seeing the pacing and narrative of his moves and considering the possibility that he's scum here.

I'm also going to re-evaluate Irrelephant, but my gut says that he would have done more to prevent his partners from getting lynched because this is a difficult game to deepwolf.

Yeah Keyser has done more than post a lot, he's sorted a lot
He prevented the viable Sesq lynch D1
He kept two wagons alive D2 for maximum readability of the playerlist
I just see him doing pro town stuff at every turn
He's made his scumteam's wincon harder over and over when he could have just not
But I see your case on him and how as scum he hard defends teammates (like he sorta did with Dunn) and I take it into consideration to keep him in my PoE
In post 1715, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum

But TW still votes Eragon when I had worked up a last ditch effort to get Eragon wiped from the game....
I would have probably been lynched today if I hadn’t changed my mind on Eragon. That was two viable misslynches he could work with.

Smells like: scummy opportunism
Tastes like: TW scum-meta

yes

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Post Post #1740  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:37 am

IM SORRY I COULDN'T RESIST

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk[/youtube]

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Post Post #1741  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:38 am

WAIT NO! why cant i use youtube tags

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Post Post #1742  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:38 am

In post 1740, Eragon wrote:IM SORRY I COULDN'T RESIST


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Post Post #1743  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:41 am

oh...

thanks

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Post Post #1744  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:49 am

@TW
Reading Reundo’s short ISO, to see scum there I would need to believe the following narrative:
D1: Reundo plays the optimal distancing game (dunks Volxen with acute focus)
D2: Reundo plays the perfect anti-distancing game (doesn’t really dig the Dunnstral lynch, instead spends time building counter wagons)

?
Too perfect for me, sorry.

So, maybe not Irrelphant town tier in terms of knowing exactly what is going through his mind, but his few iconic actions simply cash in too much town cred for me to kill him today.

What posts are you using to scum read him with? Or is it a tone thing?

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Post Post #1745  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:52 am

@tw how willing are you to be the designated lynch to help all of us distracted by your slot sort the rest of the playerlist?
@keyser same question

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Post Post #1746  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:58 am



@Irrelphant - it has been a privilege playing at your side too.

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Post Post #1747  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:59 am

(We’re not the old couple in the bed spooning, watch the video)

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Post Post #1748  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:02 am

In post 1745, Irrelephant11 wrote:@tw how willing are you to be the designated lynch to help all of us distracted by your slot sort the rest of the playerlist?
@keyser same question

Yes, but I would prefer a 100% read win.

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Post Post #1749  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:05 am

I am also fully aware I am D5’s lynch if TW flips green.

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