Micro 824.2: Grand Idea Mafia (The Reroll) [Finish]

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Vaxkiller (3):

Scoobert D Doobert, Invisibility, Nako

Scoobert D Doobert (2):

RCEnigma, Vaxkiller

singletonking (1):

Irrelephant11

Irrelephant11 (1):

DrDolittle

Invisibility (1):

Nonny

RCEnigma (0):

DrDolittle (0):

Nako (0):

nonny (0):

Not Voting (1):

singletonking

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

(expired on 2018-10-01 13:05:30) remain in the day.

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[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: singletonking

I feel like he is going to start trying to fabricate some shit here.

[singletonking]

It’s funny that you’re saying that because I think you are making that up.

Quote the posts you are talking about.

[singletonking]

Can Irrelephant11 be prodded?

[Irrelephant11]

Hi am here!
Sorry I'm slightly overgamed and [redacted] so I had this on backburner
I'll catchup quick

[Korina]

Can Irrelephant11 be prodded?

Was going to give them until 2d 12hr from last post to post (before prodding), since they are on V/LA.

[nonny]

VOTE: singletonking

I feel like he is going to start trying to fabricate some shit here.

How about you build a case on stuff he has actually done instead of stuff you are guessing he’ll do?

So far he’s been opportunistic but show me where he has “fabricated some shit” to justify this prediction?

[Irrelephant11]

176 - At this point I'm pretty sure you've scumcased like half the playerlist? @single
181 - @single are you saying you're scumcasing people just to get AI content from them?

If you scumread both doc and Scoobert, I scumread yourself and/or Scoobert, doc and Scoobert scumread you then there is a parallel at some point. There is absolutely no way that all town are pushing for these lynches and only these, spewing the rest of the slots is town.

Sorry, I’m still not sure I understand this

Like are you saying that among people who mutually scumread each other, at least one must be scum? Because that’s definitely not true.

And also my new reads have changed and not all my scumreads are of the same strength. I think now, they are something like

Town
Irrelephant11
Nonny, RCE
Vaxkiller
DDL
Invisibility, Scooby
Scum

Also let’s not forget that despite the Super VT this is still GIM, so it may not be 2:7 and probably isn’t.

Is vax still null? I see he's the biggest wagon
Also why am I your top townread? Not sure I've seen you explain that
single/invis conversation makes invis look townier and singleton look reachier. idk maybe it's just tone but it feels like he's grasping at straws, and not just poking to get content, either. 203 especially feels like "well I said I was scumreading you so I'm just gonna keep pretending to be paranoid for a bit now that the case has fallen through"

This was probably my favorite back and forth, Invis is probably just town here.

agreed

What do you guys thinking about Vaxkiller?

i iso'd vax and he's actually been kinda active lurky
might vote there next

Good vote

hmm I still think irrelephant is my biggest scum read

Did you read my response to your single reason for wanting to vote me (meta)? Do you care about why that doesn't apply here?

Vaxkiller is another scum read.

eh this is fair but also really easy to say at this point.

Singleton Im not following you at all. From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle. I don't get your pokes towards Nonny or Invis and I would assume Vax is next on that list. None of it is producing content and just comes off as weak scumhunting.

This is a pretty good read, though. Also sort of my issue with him this game.

same, and *surprise* I still think singleton's our best lynch

ohhhh pressure a VT, I feel sooo obligated to do something.

I really dont feel one way or another and i jsut want to lynch someone and then get some bearings.

well this is gross

This wagon feels artificial. Not sure fully why but it’s weird how it developed. Looking at vaxkiller’s iso though I don’t like it, too many early breadcrumb claims which always feel purposeful. Never see legit VT’s needing to discuss how VT they are from page 2 on.

Will weigh in more if needed. Not sure pressure will do much given vax response on page 9.

My reread/wall post won’t be happening yet due to Irl stuff.

Feel like this game went from goofing around noncontent to 100% real very suddenly, not even sure where it shifted but need to review with the new context

There's three votes on vax, one of which is the IC. What part of the wagon feels artificial? This is kinda textbook scum defending scum, but I think I maybe townread you before this. Hm...
I don't really feel the bolded - what made you say this?

People who are hots for fast wagons this game are probably even more likely to be scum than usual cause town nights are bo oring

This is an interesting and somewhat towny-pov thing to say
237 - agreed
242 - at this point I'm satisfied enough that RCE is sorting to put him in a towny area of my reads.

It does seem like most players are taking this seriously enough that I think I might feel confident in saying that most of us are town? Idk how many, but

I'd hammer vax if the deadline were nearer - @Vax come playyyyy

[Scoobert D Doobert]

ok so irrelephant is town

[Scoobert D Doobert]

Yeah so I agree with that Single is our best lynch here, but I really want to sort Vax out. The longer his question mark stays in the game, the harder it's going to be to do anything else.

[nonny]

@irrelphant: nako simply asked what people thought about vax and then suddenly he had a wagon. Those voting vac had no thoughts to do so before nako asked about him. It felt artificial how it rolled out.

Also, nako may be confirmed town but that doesn’t mean he has any more information than the rest of us, which is something to keep in mind.

Given this was re-rolled and most likely the roles stayed the same we probably have 2 scum and the cult Korina mentioned. The super VT wasn’t brought up in v.1 but day one was so quick it possibly got overlooked, so most likely everyone besides those 4 are VT. (Then the roles RC and Vis had in v.1, which I believe were neutral)

[Irrelephant11]

I'm pretty certain this isn't the same setup as last game if super vt didn't show up last game??

I understand that Nako is conftown, but I'm asking

which

vote(s) on vax is artificial, specifically? It can't be Nako because you know they're town. So who are you pointing the finger at, if vax's wagon is made up of enough scum for the wagon to be fake?

[Scoobert D Doobert]

@Nonny

No, I think we were all thinking that Vax is pretty shady and needs to contribute before that? Did you not see that too?

Also, Nonny your thing about it being the same roles doesn't make any sense to me. You weren't scum last time, so you would have automatically known if the Super VT was involved?

[Vaxkiller]

@Nonny

No, I think we were all thinking that Vax is pretty shady and needs to contribute before that? Did you not see that too?

Also, Nonny your thing about it being the same roles doesn't make any sense to me. You weren't scum last time, so you would have automatically known if the Super VT was involved?

Worried about what your going to say when I flip?

[Scoobert D Doobert]

ok so vax is actually probably scum

[Vaxkiller]

Whys that?

[Scoobert D Doobert]

You're actively posting and doing nothing to solve the game.

[Nako]

Yeah town vax cares about the game and tries to solve it, even it means their own lynch. But this vax did not do anything except for towncrediting themselves.

[Invisibility]

hi

[Invisibility]

vax still a good vote
irrelephant town, scoob gone up to null

[Irrelephant11]

In case anyone didn't notice the timing:

@Nonny

No, I think we were all thinking that Vax is pretty shady and needs to contribute before that? Did you not see that too?

Also, Nonny your thing about it being the same roles doesn't make any sense to me. You weren't scum last time, so you would have automatically known if the Super VT was involved?

Worried about what your going to say when I flip?

8 minutes later...

ok so vax is actually probably scum

4 minutes later...

Whys that?

3 minutes later...

You're actively posting and doing nothing to solve the game.

and then...

This is probably a better lynch than singleton at this rate

[nonny]

Post 144 Irrelephant post scum lean on Vax
Post 172 Singleton alludes to Vax
Post 187 Singleton puts Vax at null (I think if i'm reading his list right)
Post 212 Nako asks what we think of Vax
216 and 217 Vis and DrD say they'll vote Vax or are scum reading Vax respectfully
Post 222 Scoobert votes Vax
226 single lays seed about voting Vax, and 227 Vis votes this "sound wagon"
231 Nako votes Vax
232 I say the wagon feels artificial.

I went back to page 6 and that's all the stuff I saw mentioning vax prior to Nako bringing him up. Nako, was your intention to start a wagon. Were you scumreading Vax when you brought him up? I just feel like more information could be had from this whole thing.

This wagon feels artificial. Not sure fully why but it’s weird how it developed. Looking at vaxkiller’s iso though I don’t like it, too many early breadcrumb claims which always feel purposeful. Never see legit VT’s needing to discuss how VT they are from page 2 on.

Will weigh in more if needed. Not sure pressure will do much given vax response on page 9.

My reread/wall post won’t be happening yet due to Irl stuff.

Feel like this game went from goofing around noncontent to 100% real very suddenly, not even sure where it shifted but need to review with the new context

There's three votes on vax, one of which is the IC. What part of the wagon feels artificial? This is kinda textbook scum defending scum, but I think I maybe townread you before this. Hm...
I don't really feel the bolded - what made you say this?

Was just the feeling, re: game flow, probably left over from v.1 of this game. Other question explained above and below.

I'm pretty certain this isn't the same setup as last game if super vt didn't show up last game??

I understand that Nako is conftown, but I'm asking

which

vote(s) on vax is artificial, specifically? It can't be Nako because you know they're town. So who are you pointing the finger at, if vax's wagon is made up of enough scum for the wagon to be fake?

The super VT this time wasn't confirmed until Nako asked mod about it, I already pointed out with how quick the lynch happened day 1 of v.1 it could have just not been mentioned yet.

I didn't say any votes were specifically artificial. The way the wagon rolled out felt artificial. There are more motivations then just scum/town, I'm not sure which is in play and not confidant enough to say which at this point. I was merely commenting on the fact that how it developed felt off or odd. Though I'm used to vis wagon chasing from other games with him. Nako just asking thoughts on that player and then suddenly there is a wagon was weird. Also, stands out Singleton isn't on it since his other play to this point has been opportunistic and freely voting where ever the wind blows.

@Nonny

No, I think we were all thinking that Vax is pretty shady and needs to contribute before that? Did you not see that too?

Also, Nonny your thing about it being the same roles doesn't make any sense to me. You weren't scum last time, so you would have automatically known if the Super VT was involved?

Where? Show me where this shade was because I did not see many mentions at all. Only real thing was him thinking mafia is now vanilla too and being corrected. Even in your ISO only mention of vax was putting him at null and congratulating him on his new house.

Would have only known if I had a PR that was taken away, and I didn't, I was VT prior. Not really sure how that works. Just mean it's most likely the whole set-up wasn't re-done. Mod didn't confirm the super VT until nako claimed it, so that may trigger the role as well.

Yeah town vax cares about the game and tries to solve it, even it means their own lynch. But this vax did not do anything except for towncrediting themselves.

This makes sense.

VOTE: singletonking

I feel like he is going to start trying to fabricate some shit here.

How about you build a case on stuff he has actually done instead of stuff you are guessing he’ll do?

So far he’s been opportunistic but show me where he has “fabricated some shit” to justify this prediction?

Vax I would like to see a response here, wasn't rhetorical.

[singletonking]

176 - At this point I'm pretty sure you've scumcased like half the playerlist? @single
181 - @single are you saying you're scumcasing people just to get AI content from them?

Yeah, that’s how I play the game. At the start I have little information to go off so I push people off the smallest things. Then I try to assess their response to get a better read on them.

[Irrelephant11]

I guess if I'm to believe you that sucks a lot of scumminess out of your slot
idk yet if I believe you...
Do you have any examples of this being your type of play from other games?
At any rate I'm more interested in vax either showing up and playing or getting lynched over you rn

[Korina]

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