Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

[Creature]

might be painful for scum when they don't know which of them is guiltied

[Creature]

I'll see if I can pretend to not know what alignment my guilty is.

[Creature]

So uh

How are you all feeling today?

[Wisdom]

was my read on your guilty right?

[Creature]

Who do you think my guilty is?

[Creature]

Do you townread Kokichi?

[Wisdom]

kinda

[FA_Q2]

VOTE: Creative Mod

Ellitell. Need I say more?

outside game thread tells are awful. I know it's allowed here and I think nothing of you saying it as a result, cause it's fair game, but I really don't think it should be allowed at all. where do you draw the line? if you can do this, what can you not do, then? and how is that fair? mafia should be fair.

just my 2c.

-tor

I assumed he was referring to POE. What the hell is ellitell? I cant find it on mafiwiki unless I am particularly dumb today.

[FA_Q2]

Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

I don't understand maria. She is my strongest town read. What makes you think she is scum?

[Almost50]

What the hell is ellitell?

Ellitell (2012): People who are active in all games save one are scum in said game.

[Creature]

kinda

Why?

[FA_Q2]

Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

Though this is theorycrafting more than anything, this has been repeated several times by more than just you and I don't fully understand the logic here. You think the last 2 votes on an early wagon for the scum RB are both scum votes? There is likely one scum on that wagon and one off IMHO but I would venture a guess that the scum is more likely in the middle of that group - not the 2nd to last after pig self hammers.

[FA_Q2]

What the hell is ellitell?

Ellitell (2012): People who are active in all games save one are scum in said game.

I second frozen's opinion of that idea. I do not find activity a tell one way or another - particularly if it is compared to outside games.

Why assume that scum is going to be less active? This seems to be a common theme here on this site and is nonsensical to me. There is no reason that a scum would avoid being active unless they were trying to lurk a wagon away and even then site wide activity would really not be relevant in that case.

[Creature]

Hey FAQ2, how do you feel about Wisdom?

[Almost50]

Why assume that scum is going to be less active? This seems to be a common theme here on this site and is nonsensical to me. There is no reason that a scum would avoid being active unless they were trying to lurk a wagon away and even then site wide activity would really not be relevant in that case.

because you can post your genuine thoughts as town, while as scum you need to "think" of what to post. You can post your SRs naturally as town, but as scum you need to consume the effort to fabricate them. You do not know much as town and thus have nothing to hide, but as scum you do have knowledge and if you post more you could slip one way or the other.

You arguing against the ellitell as a whole is like you arguing against the amished tell as a whole, or virtually any other tell. But you can feel free to disregard it. I simply don't.

As for the D1 lynch wagon: Check this game out. It's a recent one. Basically Toranga was guiltied by BuJaber at the start of D2. We decided to go for his "unknown" partner instead. I figured it was Poseidon and Wh4t sheeped me (L-2). Toranaga tried to be smart by putting his p @L-1 to make us second guess our read, and Poseidon instantly hammered himself!

I could point you to other games where it's a bit more complicated than this, but it boils down to scum do self-hammer after seeing their p put them to L-1

[FA_Q2]

Hey FAQ2, how do you feel about Wisdom?

I don't yet. That slot has almost no interaction yet and wisdom has not really explained his position much and why.

I want to know reasoning behind wisdom's reads first.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

I didn't say that he could not have. I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread. Pork was not going down either. That self hammer was rather asinine. The game had barely started and pork was really the first wagon. It looks more like simply giving up to me more than anything.

Nero looks like porks most likely partner for the reasons that I pointed out eod.

VOTE: nero

Pork wasn’t going down, in what world?

Why would Pork and NK have to be on bad terms? This makes no sense whatsoever.

Why couldn’t scum have decided for NK to jump on for towncred before Pork hammer?

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

you gots some real revisionist history going on. I was voting Snuggly even before Pork was first voted.

wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

this is scum angry his buddy got lynched when he wasn't here.

Could be. His defense of NK is also kind of suspect. I’m not opposed to voting here.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

You state I could be a 'reasonable lynch' but don't actually have a vote there as though you are testing the waters and going for the low hanging fruit.

he's already voting someone he thinks is scum. Why should he switch?

My thoughts on Gamma are meh, he could be scum. I was coming into the day thinking that NK15 and FA_Q2 and Quack were the 3 scummiest. I could see 307 as maybe a bus and

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering.

Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

makes then sorta kinda look like buddies. This (bold) kinda pinged my NKA radar.

I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread

this too. but at the same time I feel like a FA_Q2 saying that scum voting and then Pork hammering doesn't make sense is scum thats knows NK15 is town.

TBF, I didn't much like this.

(maybe not now though, I’m kinda addicted to YouTube rn)

but then I think he'd be kinda more LAMIST and not sure a scummy "oh, i'll catch up later" line.

Yep, mentioned Nos could definitely be a scumslip.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: FA_QT

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

VOTE: almost 50

Why? FFT were early on Pork wagon. Considering she was roleblocker, it doesn’t really make sense.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

you can't really call it a rxn test when you're stating it is one love

I suppose.

you're both so cute

-tor

< 3

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

I think I have a guilty.

I'll let the day go on for a while though.

Okay, Creature is probably town. Scum!Creature doesn’t usually make this kind of gambit.

Okay, new POE:

FA_QT
Gamma

Wisdom?

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Who did Wisdom sub in for again? Creative Mod or Parrot?

Both of those should still be in my POE but FA_QT linked themselves with NK/Gamma/Pork and most interestingly Nos.

So, I’d prefer to lynch in FA_QT and probably Gamma?

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Hey FAQ2, how do you feel about Wisdom?

Who do you think my guilty is?

I think I have a pretty good idea.

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Do you townread Kokichi?

You don’t? His ISO seems pretty villagery to me?