Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

[frozenaga]

hello freak bitches

[frozenaga]

FA is asleep so toranaga is the one posting until she announces otherwise

how is everyone today?

[frozenaga]

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

VOTE: Frozenaga

You want to do this the rough way I see

VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

Lol.

I don't want to explain it. Although I was actually half-tempted to vote Not Known 15 or Maria. :3

Is there any particular reason why you chose to vote Nero?

why are you softing that there is anything extra about this in public? I don't like this attitude

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

I like this question

Hydra vs hydra. Fight to the death

It's gonna be a crazy fight lol

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

how is that even relevant? What gave you the impression they are doing this for meta?

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

Nope, it was the Hello one, Brian has posted literally everything else, I dont mind the vote, I endorse it.

Also, Also, People powertowning as town on a previous game doesnt mean they cant roll scum in this game.
Kinda concerned about someone defending someone that hasnt got content yet, regardless of frozenaga's alignment.

how a naked vote on my slot is going to help you to read my slot alignment?

and I have to talk about some mafia 101 postgame about a wrong statement you made here but I don't want to out more information right now so I'll shut up.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

I'm just posting @ your hydra in general
you're defending and justifying Brian's vote which you obviously had no influence over for... what reason?

I like this questioning attitude. I don't care about the question or the answer.

MariaR looks genuinly confused in the interaction too. slight town lean

CAN YOU PEOPLE FKING SIGN YOUR HYDRA POSTS OR I SWEAR TO GOD I'M GONNA MISREP ALL YOUR SHIT.

lol no.
It's not hard to differentiate my posting from Brian's.
If you wanna lynch us for such silly reasons suit yourself.

It is extremely hard

FA is asleep so toranaga is the one posting until she announces otherwise

how is everyone today?

FA is not allowed to steal that tag this time

They don't even have the name in this game...

I'm the one and only FA and no one can take this from me.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

ok fft are getting so many votes and we should slow this wagon down and investigate the matter more.

UNVOTE:

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

I'm conflicted on duck atm. some of their posts feels like genuine hunting attidue and some are just over the board and feels a bit fake.

If not and you're just irked by me not explaining my frozenaga vote, then I don't know what to tell you. I did answer the question, it just wasn't the response Snuggly wanted. And I reserve the right to ask my own questions.

tell me honsetly if you wanted to actually use that rvs vote on my slot to sort me, why did you went like hazy like that acting like there are ultimate reasons for that vote that others don't know about specially since You didn't tell what those motives are to others and you're not going to if they exist.

Why didn't you just call it RVS in the first page when you were asked about it if you don't want to explain the reason for the vote and you should not if such thing exists?

it just feels a little bit fake and underwhelming - like you are setting up and act to look like your hunting something when you're ghost hunting?

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

so yeah it just looks like some big bullshit to me and not a real hunt. But I can see that coming from the town you since it happened really early in the day. I need to discuss this with tora.

also

If anything, I think that if you seriously believe they could be a valuable asset to us, then you should at least understand the concept that it would actually be more beneficial to get said players sorted early on (or we can just lynch outright lynch them if they're scum).

mafia 101:

you need to start conversations to sort people based on. Not to vote them. it's just a wrong culture that only exists on ms.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

They threw down a l0lrandom vote in rvs on a slot with 2 good town players in it.
I called it bad because they shld know better

Why should RVS wagons be on only bad players?

like Sakura going back and trying to overjustify her hydra buddy's own rvs vote?

so. your hydra partner is cool with what you are doing.

These are good questions.

points for nero.

going out for dinner. see you all in few hours.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

FA's reaction is just what I expected if my reads were correct, hmm need to talk with Brian.
But FA's probably town while duckdra is probs scum.

-Sakura

Note: Seems like Brian signed twice with different letters for some reason

I read nothing and I already think that you're town and duck is scum

-tor

[frozenaga]

[frozenaga]

Frozenaga town already

lolol

and you're town already too

how about that haters

go team brazil

-tor

[frozenaga]

Spoiler:

Hi hi!

hi pretty

pretty snuggly abd relieved we rolled town so I don't have to hide behind Nancy
how bout you Tora?

lol I'm under the impression you're better scum than nancy who has a total of 1 scum game played. she'll destroy everyone one day but not now .

?????

I'm not really getting your need to talk about how I'm an ez read 4 you now.

well you're bad scum, get over it

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

frozenaga bless

lol @ tor powertowning fool got fooled hard by Creature.


and like just cause they were both town and did fairly well in that game that has shit all to do with this game.

you literally only won that game because I carried your bad town ass.

and we'll carry this game too. this hydra is the strongest thing you've ever seen since ellibereth's software.

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

The fact you just asked a question instead of answering and then asking said question is but I'm being picky.

towny thought process

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

I do what I want and that's never stopped me from voting someone before.

Also, it's not like either of them powertowned here yet, so why does any of this matter?

Explain to me how 'charging into the thread to be a second vote on a wagon' is oh so demanding of your (or anybody else's) attention.

compared to other assorted lolcat tier rvs votes? this was definitely the most interesting one! on what planet is this not worth anyone's attention? I respect a bit of discrediting rhetoric as much as the next bloke but this is clearly a worthwhile conversation. I find it kinda hard to believe neither of you have any feelings about that hydra given its heads are badasses. my initial push was definitely reachy but your response feels caught and lacking.
VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

frozenaga bless

goddammit I'm pocketed by the worst. what now?

me catching up

[frozenaga]

I just accidentally closed the tab with a bunch of replies and thoughts

bottom line is, nero is towny and I don't really know what to make of other people.

almost halfway through the thread.

-tor

[frozenaga]

This has some potential to be Heroes Wanted 2.0

where I miscleared you? lol

-tor

[frozenaga]

I like maria a lot this game too.

early townreads are maria and nero cain. the hydras are making themselves quite difficult to parse out but gun to head I think both are town. I agree the worst is being nitpicky and I agree sakura doesn't have to defend brian's vote, and I think having us as high priority sorting slot doesn't make sense cause we're not that easy to read in contrast with most players in this game, but defending what your hydra partner did in the thread is something people naturally do a lot.

on that note, I'm not defending anything frozen angel does if I disagree with it. we're independent heads and that makes us stronger.

-tor

[frozenaga]

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

umm that didn't work wait xd



~Frozen

[frozenaga]

Is it cause you're in a hydra or like? I'd like to know

u sure you aren't scum with him?

I could be. Vote me and find out~

reading into maria's personality as town here. she can totally write similar things as scum but just the way she is engaging the thread and then daring people to vote her comes across very natural. I might be wrong on her, she always fools me, but I'm strong townreading her and I'm not ashamed to eventually be wrong.

:0 I have two townreads how exciting!

if it's maria and cain, you're doing it right

FA is asleep so toranaga is the one posting until she announces otherwise

how is everyone today?

FA is not allowed to steal that tag this time

They don't even have the name in this game...

but I call her FA since forever :/

you're Q2 to me

Brian naked voted tora's hydra. TW comes in and is all like "its so fishy that you are voting a a hydra with decent players in it" Hana says she's concerned that he's defending a slot that had no content. TW cries misrep, even though there wasn't one.

like this is scum, pls kill it or risk dying when he flips scum.

like you aren't even questioning my perception of the events here. You tried to buddy up to tora, got called on it. You're scum and need death.

this is nero cain as fuck, this guy is town

[frozenaga]

I think having us as high priority sorting slot doesn't make sense cause we're not that easy to read in contrast with most players in this game

This doesnt make sense?
You obviously prioritize harder to read players because the others you dont need to do anything to sort them to begin with.

-Sakura

by voting us in RVS? :/

like, voting us in RVS will literally just upset FA regardless of our alignment, but yeah sure. I'm prioritizing easy to read players so I can create a confident POE as it's day 1 etc.

I really think all the hydras are town fwiw. I can see the nitpicky reasons you're pushing each other but they're not really scummy things and just make you all look town motivated in your posting.

-tor

[frozenaga]

OK some stuff:

- creature you having a read is doing stuff which is your town meta cause you don't do stuff when you're scum. But I disagree with the credit ufo is giving cause it's so early to judge that imo.

- This whole mafia theory discussion should stop imo cause it's going nowhere. You should sort everyone. not just the people who are easier to sort or the ones who are harder to sort. I disagree that you should vote people for sorting them though

- Tora is not the only cool guy in this hydra who can post music. have some cool violin (just showing off xd)

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

see TW,

we can't be friends on MS, it's always read as scummy :/

I'm making my priority to never enter another game that doesn't have the worst in it btw

#buddying

-tor

[frozenaga]

Spoiler: Brian Posts

VOTE: Frozenaga

keep

keen?

Lol.

I don't want to explain it. Although I was actually half-tempted to vote Not Known 15 or Maria. :3

Is there any particular reason why you chose to vote Nero?

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

I do what I want and that's never stopped me from voting someone before.

Also, it's not like either of them powertowned here yet, so why does any of this matter?

Explain to me how 'charging into the thread to be a second vote on a wagon' is oh so demanding of your (or anybody else's) attention.

Sakura has only posted once tbh. I'll give you a brownie point if you can figure out which one.

I don't particularly care about signing posts or not. And I do think our posts are kind of hard to tell apart.

but you should my dear, we're not you and we don't know who is you and who is brian. I'll be the second person to ask that: sign your posts. just have one of the heads doing it if you can't be bothered.

-tor

[frozenaga]

for the record, I'm not upset

I only get frustrated when I don't have the ground to work on and if people don't allow me to grasp the game state and/or block my thought process/outputs or if they don't stop arguing when they should or if they start ignoring me in the middle of a conversation. not by a vote in rvs.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

like, voting us in RVS will literally just upset FA regardless of our alignment

What, i thought FA has an easier time reading people that engage with her.
Did I misremember?

-Sakura

everyone has an easier time reading people that engage with them

brian's RVS vote did no such thing though. you're engaging with us. brian wasn't.

anyway do we think this is an interesting enough conversation to keep going with it?

-tor

[frozenaga]

like, voting us in RVS will literally just upset FA regardless of our alignment

What, i thought FA has an easier time reading people that engage with her.
Did I misremember?

-Sakura

engaging with me != voting me

I was used to invite people to vote me sometimes cause that would help me to form more accurate read on them (their reactions when they were doing it)

but you're not misremembering this no. I'm very self-oriented.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

creature you having a read is doing stuff which is your town meta cause you don't do stuff when you're scum.

geez it's just a read

I'm not that bad as scum

you sure oO

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

Okay, just popping in to say, I’m liking Nero, FA_QT and Maria for town.

~Nancy

I don't really see Q2 as town yet, can you explain this?

-tor

[frozenaga]

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

so yeah it just looks like some big bullshit to me and not a real hunt. But I can see that coming from the town you since it happened really early in the day. I need to discuss this with tora.

also

If anything, I think that if you seriously believe they could be a valuable asset to us, then you should at least understand the concept that it would actually be more beneficial to get said players sorted early on (or we can just lynch outright lynch them if they're scum).

mafia 101:

you need to start conversations to sort people based on. Not to vote them. it's just a wrong culture that only exists on ms.

~Frozen

yup

ok I'm nodding along to almost everything you said when you came in

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: porkens

feels timid

-tor

[frozenaga]

Pretty sure I can come with atleast one townread on someone who can obvtown pretty easily.

I agree. hence why I think tora is going too far too fast with this too yeah.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

Pretty sure I can come with atleast one townread on someone who can obvtown pretty easily.

I agree. hence why I think tora is going too far too fast with this too yeah.

~Frozen

isn't that tora in a nutshell?

-tor

[frozenaga]

didn't you just call me town? is that you making the game hard on purpose? lol

-tor

in other news fuck me IDK what to make of the worst now :/ I need nancy posting

[frozenaga]

reading into maria's personality as town here. she can totally write similar things as scum but just the way she is engaging the thread and then daring people to vote her comes across very natural. I might be wrong on her, she always fools me, but I'm strong townreading her and I'm not ashamed to eventually be wrong.

Like..no no no no
Ufo of all people should not be the person hard townreading me. He should be the one

questioning

townreads on me. He knows how good my scumgame is and the fact he townreads me like this unnerves me. Hell I would've tr this hydra if Tor/Frozen were like "this would be towny but it's Maria" (I fucking hate that line of logic but I expected it from them)

in a turbo I wouldn't

I think you have transparent emotions when you're town in longer games and this is what I'm seeing here. you're a strong townread even, and I love that you're picking me for townreading you too.

-tor

[frozenaga]

I stand by what I said about finding your confusion genuine.

I don't vomit reads though so thats all about my read on you.

I liked that tora got good vibes from that too. IDK whats your issue with this tbh. Are you saying your scum faking that attidue?

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

Nero can be town
Creature can be ok for that vote I guess.
I'll be correct on the worst in time.

1 of those 2 hydra are scum but the other is town because Sakura/brain either spewed Frozen town or Frozen is trying to pocket my ass with the Sakura/bri hydra getting fooled (it's kinda easy to get on that hydras good side so)

this is an extremely smart post

-tor

[frozenaga]

maybe we're just good, maria

-tor

[frozenaga]

I think sakura is town, IDK what brian wrote.

I'm more concerned over the worst and I didn't like the few posts nancy made

-tor

[frozenaga]

I think when people say "page x is all town" etc they're >rand scum from my experience playing mafia on MS

porkens made one post and it was that comment. he is being too shy to be town, porkens is really reckless as town and would be making a bigger impact even if he made just a couple posts, so maybe look there today instead.

-tor

[frozenaga]

I don't care if you faked your read on Fuwa or even are faking your read on me

I said your confusion there was genuine.

and no you can't fake a real confusion about something you really don't know and is natural to be confused about. and that is not alignment related.

just that announcing the confusion felt good coming from you but that won't grant a strong town read on you there

If you have any questions about my thought process I can explain with more details

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

It's just how I always talk. Sorry for my sharp words.

~Frozen

[frozenaga]

is this a wagon?
I think so
VOTE: Pork

toranaga blesses this wagon

[frozenaga]

reading into maria's personality as town here. she can totally write similar things as scum but just the way she is engaging the thread and then daring people to vote her comes across very natural. I might be wrong on her, she always fools me, but I'm strong townreading her and I'm not ashamed to eventually be wrong.

Like..no no no no
Ufo of all people should not be the person hard townreading me. He should be the one

questioning

townreads on me. He knows how good my scumgame is and the fact he townreads me like this unnerves me. Hell I would've tr this hydra if Tor/Frozen were like "this would be towny but it's Maria" (I fucking hate that line of logic but I expected it from them)

Lol, tbf Maria, If you ever play again like you did in Hourglass, I will 100% powerlynch you. You are so obviously more natural and genuine here. Can you really not see the difference? You were so fake in Hourglass, there really is no comparison.

not that I read hourglass but scum!you sounds fake while town you sounds like you

like there's a voice coming out of your posting when you're town that's very distinct and genuine

I haven't had my coffee yet

-tor

[frozenaga]

Eh, I don’t want to vote FFT, I want to vote Porkens. I’ll have to discuss it with tw.

Okay, TW said I don’t need his consent. He’s a very democratic duck. <3

UNVOTE:

you're a free little monster

[frozenaga]

frozen angel is my favorite person to hydra with cause I know she won't give a fuck who I vote and bash me in thread for anyone to read it if she disagrees with it

-tor

[frozenaga]

dance isn't dance btw, dance is sex

[frozenaga]

I have words for you nancy. But better said not half asleep.
Gn

do you have words for me?

-tor

[frozenaga]

[frozenaga]

aren't all the hydras meme hydras?

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: creature

-tor

[frozenaga]

Oh likely I'm dying because I was TMI'd town.

this is TMI that porkens was scum before porkens flipped

this is also a terrible argument and not a thing that would ever happen, also because scum!porkens was townreading an entire page and not just one player

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: Porkens

Lynch -1

Their reactions are way over the top, and their posts make zero sense as town.
Lynch this.

and this looks a lot like bussing, so I'm in favour of not known 15/creature wagons today

-tor

[frozenaga]

ugh creature wasn't on page 1 actually

@creature: what were you talking about in that post?

[frozenaga]

ah

creature thinks scum that's outside of porkens was TMI slipping that he is town

@creature: is this about me, then?

it's kinda towny if it's about me I guess

-tor

[frozenaga]

yeah ok, I think creature actually doesn't look that bad since his comment wasn't about porkens and it was just subjective things he was thinking of

I think not known was very scummy and I'm looking forward to see how gamma escapes the lynch today

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: creature

-tor

How sure are you on a scale of 1-10

I think I kinda misinterpreted creature

his thoughts about it are actually towny

not known/gamma is probably scum tho

VOTE: gamma emerald

[frozenaga]

I mean I don't wanna grill the mods or anything but they let n1 run for 4 days and didn't send people's roles after replacing them

none of the replacements were from people who got prods and IIRC no one got a prod.

I know what you're seeing but it feels more like a lil bit of disorganization alongside an unwillingness to find replacements than something AI for pernicious parrot

he could be scum though. I'm having a hard time finding even 2 scummy people amongst the posters.

also I hope everyone got a message that d2 started... I didn't.

[frozenaga]

that was toranaga btw

FA is very busy lately but I'm sure she'll pop in tomorrow to play

-tor

[frozenaga]

hi there

[frozenaga]

not much, working very hard and making very little money.

how about you?

[frozenaga]

happy is good

almost's angle for thinking pernicious is scum was towny of him

-tor

[frozenaga]

you can't really call it a rxn test when you're stating it is one love

I suppose.

you're both so cute

-tor

[frozenaga]

happy is good

almost's angle for thinking pernicious is scum was towny of him

-tor

They subbed in for FFT right? That slot’s very likely town based on VCA.

yes and yes

-tor

[frozenaga]

I'm buying what nero is selling re: FA_Q2

-tor

[frozenaga]

sorry I didn't mean to start a discussion on mod things while in game, I'll leave it for post

creature thinking he might have a guilty is towny so there's that

FA_Q2 could be a reasonable lynch

I don't mind lynching pernicious parrot either

-tor

[frozenaga]

sorry I didn't mean to start a discussion on mod things while in game, I'll leave it for post

creature thinking he might have a guilty is towny so there's that

FA_Q2 could be a reasonable lynch

I don't mind lynching pernicious parrot either

-tor

I think we wait until I've decided on a second suspect (other that Pernicious). Based on the last 2 games you played with me I always have one scum + one town in my 2 main original suspects (then we end up lynching someone else)

lmao

I could lynch pernicious parrot rn for lack of options, or FA_Q2 for the scummiest posting among the posters, and I'm not really suspicious of anyone else and agree with how you're currently reading creature.

-tor

[frozenaga]

oh I forgot gamma

gamma feels scummy

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: Creative Mod

Ellitell. Need I say more?

outside game thread tells are awful. I know it's allowed here and I think nothing of you saying it as a result, cause it's fair game, but I really don't think it should be allowed at all. where do you draw the line? if you can do this, what can you not do, then? and how is that fair? mafia should be fair.

just my 2c.

-tor

[frozenaga]

Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

Maria is obvtown by both VCA ans play. If you ever do a meta check on Nero, you can tell he’s probably town. FA_QT, had them as town on D1, the jury’s still out.

How can you dislike a player who was an early voter on a scum RB wagon?

+1

mariar doesn't kill her scum partner without milking every drop of bus credit. plus her tone was towny last gameday. nero is town if you read his scum games, yes.

FA_QT, idk nancy. don't look like town to me.

-tor

[frozenaga]

"got fooled by creature in Heroes" should be my undertitle since I have to read that from people every single day since that happened
-tor

[frozenaga]

re: maria, I know she will bus her weak team mates. what I'm townreading is her attitude to and about porkens, because I think as scum she'd be louder and try to milk more towncredit afterwards. at least, that's my experience with mariar.

-tor

[frozenaga]

Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

Confident townreads on the three hydras/almost
Probably wont lynch creature and kokichi
Parrot needs to post
And thats all

Yeah Wisdom can die.

He's better then that to insta call notknowns vote scummy when it was the most towny vote of them all (due to pork)

can you expand on what you think is towny about NK's vote there?

-tor

[frozenaga]

if they're scum together, I don't think they coordinated in any way for this to happen. porkens seems to have independently concluded that the gameday was better with him quick hammered and I don't think he considered much of how aligned he'd look with anyone. I just heavily dislike the way NK phrased his vote because it feels like scumsplaining and it's phrased hyperbolically as a strong, uncharitable scumread that just looks like TMI to me.

[frozenaga]

the self hammer was objectively a terrible play for porkens, and I don't think he was in position to anticipate how we'd read his wagoners either way. I agree with kokichi that NK's vote is independently scummy and I'm not gonna try to guess what porkens was thinking.

-tor

[frozenaga]

A50, mariar, snuggly, kokichi, nero all likely town

-tor

[frozenaga]

ok yeah. Gamma is probs town?

FA/Wisdom-book it, danno.

ALL HAIL QUEEN NANCY!

it actually looks like it from my point of view too

-tor

[frozenaga]

VOTE: wisdom

[frozenaga]

look, creature

we're lynching FA_Q2

if your guilty is not FA_Q2, say it now and we'll lynch FA_Q2 anyway

how does that sound?

-tor

[frozenaga]

creature isn't the type to FPS so I think he actually does have a guilty

or thinks he has a guilty

I wanna know what it is since his entire gameday has been repeating that he does in fact have a guilty

also once you out that, you need to out your peek cause you're dying at night

-tor

[frozenaga]

this will be all toranaga until tomorrow

so almost, who are we lynching? FAQ2?

[frozenaga]

yeah I don't see much pointing in continuing the gameday either. if only I was scumreading maria I could have fun reading her insults, but there isn't much to do now is there? I could metadive people or something, but there isn't anything in thread I think is worth discussing much tbh.

[frozenaga]

Hi. Reading. I'm almost halfway.

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of what happened?

town nails scum d1

nosferatu dies at night

creature claims a guilty d2 and we're waiting for him to out it so we can move on with the game

[frozenaga]

tor dodging my question is scummy would lynch pls die tyvm

I still remember when you said I was so easy to pocket that if you were scum I'd be certainly clearing you

fun times

[frozenaga]

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW HUH

I'm sure you wanted to be scum right now unfortunately for you, you're town

[frozenaga]

you know just what to say to me

[frozenaga]

no one wants Gamma?

triggered

Here you go wisdom

Spoiler:

not shakey enough

Spoiler:

[frozenaga]

yeah FA_Q2 is town

ok now who is scum?

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nero's scum/town ranges are very very different and this is simply too bold to be his scum game

at least from the little I know of nero

gamma, I can see it.

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I just ISO'd FA_Q2 and saw 3 towny posts and that's enough to say he is town

IDK why I was calling him scum now

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almost is town, maria

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almost is town, maria

Nope

your tunnel sucks man

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wisdom, can you explain how this is nero's scum game? what's the main difference between his scum and town games that you see here and makes him scum?

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I'm at a point in this game where I know who not to lynch but I can't really think of a lynch that's good

I'll read it with attention tomorrow

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I might agree with kokichi being scum actually

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someone mentioned that post he made near porkens' lynch calling him town, saying it was posturing, and I agree it looks like posturing. like who the fuck think porkens was towny there? why say something like this, other than to pretend to not have any TMI?

kokichi's and not known's reactions are polar opposite but they both feel like scummy TMI to me

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yeah you're right actually, kokichi is town

ok

gamma is scum

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VOTE: gamma emerald

shittiest slot to replace in for

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it's easy to read d1 and look reasonable, that doesn't erase NK's d1 posting

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lmao is wisdom 2/2?

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I saw 2 nero's scum games where his post is nowhere near this ballsy, which is a trademark of his town play

I dislike the insistence in getting wisdom lynched and if he flips green, nero selfvotes though

it reminds me of mulch doing that sort of shit and fooling town.

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I don't think it's nero

it might be ceejay though

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was nos' NK randed?

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3 town hydras and you kill nosferatu? I mean he is a great player but come on

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I'm more confident in my townreads than I am my scumreads REEEEE

I'd be scumreading you if it wasn't for your d1 tbvqfh

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I'm trolling girl, this isn't even NKA lol

it's funny if I'm right though

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see wisdom? you're wrong about nero

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VOTE: ceejay

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nero, why are you self voting?

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that doesn't look like nero in this game at all imo

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I'm gonna guess it's gamma and ceejay

nero's emotions feel towny, although I'm a little surprised with the self vote reaction

wisdom is correctly clearing town he doesn't have to as scum

creature saying he has a guilty is out of his scum range

almost is towny and so was his predecessor

nancy is obvtown

kokichi feels genuine around porkens' lynch

and maria, well, I almost wish she was scum here dancing around how wrong I always am about her alignment but it really doesn't feel like scum!maria at any point in this game. and I think as scum she'd try milking towncred a lot more than she did for the porkens' lynch.

did I miss anyone?

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lol ok tora
dunno what i expected, ive said it myself countless times that meta you havent lived yourself isn't meta

I skimmed in the most lazy way I could cause I'm not gonna parse out nero based off hydra posting, but what I did read don't look like him here and I saw nothing that's similar to the fight you're having with him now

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byee

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who wants to play overwatch?

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this is totally a town mindset, right tora?

shooting yourself in the foot the way nero is doing is actually townminded

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this is totally a town mindset, right tora?

shooting yourself in the foot the way nero is doing is actually townminded

i dont get how you can be so reasonable in one post and so dumb in another

I'm reasonable when I agree with you and dumb when I don't, isn't that right L?

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I like this post where he is going straight into associatives before porkens even flipped:

wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

it's not much but it's pointing at town to me here.

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you can find scum agenda in anything people do of course, I just find his reasoning and mindset to be pointing at town here. I could be wrong ofc and I can see someone reading it as agenda driven scum posting. I just disagree.

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oh man, I got it. Creatures Fool. That's your new title bro.

lol sure. I was buying your interpretation of FAQ2 instead of reading him to any extent. ISOing him I feel he is town. I could be wrong.

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you just like him cause he has several balls

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:<

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I don't know if that's too scummy to be scum tbh

I'm not having any kind of read on ceejay, I just think it's a slot we're gonna have to resolve eventually anyway cause it didn't do anything, and everyone else is being at least relatively towny

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VOTE: kokichi oma

like jesus christ

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nancy why did you just decide to lolclaim?

how does that make sense

kokichi why would you even call it a slip? do you think nancy is ever scum here?

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I would like his thoughts yes because you seem mainly so focused on wisdon you taking a step back would be a bit nice nancy

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great joke, you got nancy to lolclaim

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notice how you were antitown right now because you choose to be obtuse about things. that's your choice. you can play well, or you can do this kind of thing all game, as if you knew better than the rest of us, which if you're town you clearly don't since you were loltownreading porkens

btw that d1 EOD where you're doing this is the only reason I think you might be town

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that's two people not understanding your humour kokichi. I thought you were pushing her with this too.

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was it a s-s-s-s-slip then?

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VOTE: gamma emerald

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I think you're town kokichi

idk why you have to act obtuse half the time you're playing anything

you're not above anyone, you know that right?

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VOTE: ceejay

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almost dunking scum

what's new?

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not much

can we lynch ceejay?

-tor

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Can you guys stay in your god dam hydras.
It's so hard to iso when you keep leaving

Absolutely!

I had mentioned this issue to a few of the heads but since it is running rampant I will have to take a hardened stance.

Please stay in your proper accounts and pick up any stray posts when you post in hydra next. I will not count any votes made out of hydra. If you continuously post out of hydra I may be forced to replace you and that would be a shame.

Please take a moment to quote all stray posts that exist up to now and respect this rule, and your fellow players, for the duration of the game.

Thank you for understanding, and have fun.

b-b-b-b-b-but I made 61 posts under toranaga

:/

I'll get to it later, sorry everyone

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b-b-b-b-b-but I made 61 posts under toranaga

Holy Shit! :O

pls don't make me do it

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I don't scumread you FAQ2

kill ceejay with me?

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y don't u scumread him?

reactions to porkens self voting were good, posting has been generally ok

ceejay needs rope

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ok I have a major preference for ceejay. so let's vote him with me?

maybe ari will forget he asked me to quote 61 posts

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I don't feel like lynching wisdom

if ceejay flips mafia he dies next though

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FAQ2 never giving his target is scummy af and I'm fine with the hammer

it flips scum

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kill ceejay next

if it flips mafia, kill wisdom

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FAQ2, you should have full claimed with your target, my man. you made this game much harder cause it felt like you were frozen up or something.

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kill ceejay next

if it flips mafia, kill wisdom

youre so bad at this

I'm starting to agree with the idea that you're just disingenuously shading people because you're scum and your team is highly POE'd down. cheers to you for playing to your wincon hard if that's the case, but then if ceejay is mafia you are grossly tied to him.

you're towny on a surface but if I read into your actions, they look scum agenda driven.

I'm sure I look like a moron to you if you're town.