Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

hai

[Wisdom]

Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

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hai

Hai Wisdom, did you sub into a scumslot?

nope

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How can you dislike a player who was an early voter on a scum RB wagon?

havent read that far, ill tell you if anything changes after ive read everything

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

[Wisdom]

Confident townreads on the three hydras/almost
Probably wont lynch creature and kokichi
Parrot needs to post
And thats all

[Wisdom]

oh and

maria can and will bus her weak buddy d1
ive played with nero

[Wisdom]

was my read on your guilty right?

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kinda

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feeling better about faq2

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gamma and nero it is most likely

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

I don't understand maria. She is my strongest town read. What makes you think she is scum?

you haven't played with her enough

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You think the last 2 votes on an early wagon for the scum RB are both scum votes? There is likely one scum on that wagon and one off IMHO but I would venture a guess that the scum is more likely in the middle of that group - not the 2nd to last after pig self hammers.

Probably not both. Maria makes sense as middle vote but that NK L-1 just screamed "i have to bus this with bs reasoning". So one or the other, with the latter more likely

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gamma creativemod isnt in the game

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He's better then that to insta call notknowns vote scummy when it was the most towny vote of them all (due to pork)

thats bs really
youre assuming that they coordinated it when it doesnt even look like they did

[Wisdom]

Confident townreads on the three hydras/almost
Probably wont lynch creature and kokichi
Parrot needs to post
And thats all

What have done to be considered townish?

who? you? Eh, you know how i read you
Its little things

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so we're assuming pork is just a bad scum player who self hammered with no regards to his teammates? mmmmmmmmmm

Like can I see that world? Yeah but I don't think it's likely. Let me sit on it

Do you know porkens to be good scum?

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nero it is most likely

I'd ask you why but you don't have the balls to face me.

Because your stances suck (eg faq2 is angry he wasnt here) and the way you insist about them reminds me of scum you

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gamma's "catchup" is fillerish as hell and makes me feel worse

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What is your interpretation of this then?

there was a lynch
Some people dont like early lynches

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because thats a random conclusion and the way you push it like ot should be obvious is why i scumread you

also this exchange with gamma is unnecessary and just makes me think youre scumtheatre'ing

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gamma is obv getting lynched so its pointless for faq2 scum to write off anything

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its just town with wrong ideas about things
happens all the time

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Then help me out here. What am I missing.

i meant that youre likely townreading her for things youre not experienced enough to know she can do as scum

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full disclosure; i was recently scum with Maria and nobody was suspecting her, so you can get why id be wary of people handing her townreads

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no, it means people shouldnt be townreading her so easily because shes good scum
But keep misrepping me, it helps making me confident

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lol at nero trying to get people away from gamma while arguing with gamma

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Yeah because im infallible and i cant have more than two scumreads

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^sarcasm
just making sure

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cmon nero, take the stance fully
Why should we sheep nos over lynching gamma?
Why is gamma not your preferree lynch?

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the latter

i think youre not likely scum with gamma so youre prolly not scum after all

[Wisdom]

vote placement on porkens
you make sense as the middle vote, he makes sense as the l-1, but both is unlikely

[Wisdom]

yes, already covered that

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no maria
you dont have to plan in order to bus
notknown just saw porkens was the lynch and hopped on thinking it'd give him credit
that requires no planning

[Wisdom]

in hourglass i did ask mylo at the beginning if hes okay with bussing, but that was just me being polite. Id vote him all the same, with zero planning, had that discussion not taken place at all. Same way i voted you when i thought your lynch was happening

Busses happen and they arent planned

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Youre reading too much into the selfhammer
pork just selfhammered because yolo or because it stops discussion or because whatever
Hes not good scum like you said so dont base things on what good scum would do in porkens' place

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VOTE: Porkens

Lynch -1

Their reactions are way over the top, and their posts make zero sense as town.
Lynch this.

I mean if nk15 was scum and posted this thinking "hehehe this'll get me town cred" then whew boy do I need to revamp that mentor program for him.

What makes this vote so bad?

its typical newbscum bus
hes talking in absolutes, because he knows pork to be scum

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Like, porkens posts were trolly but unless you have meta with him i dont see why you cant consider hes trolly town
Yet notknown was like "he makes zero sense as town" which is an unwarranted absolute

[Wisdom]

typical nancy

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creature doesn't have a guilty on me, nancy. Your erratic thinking pikely began there

[Wisdom]

likely*

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im flattered youre so paranoid of me but im not scum, nancy
Once again, my scum game mirrors my towngame, so yeah, youll find similarities regardless of my alignment

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youre wrong on both counts

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and no, as you just quoted i dont scumread faq2 anymore

[Wisdom]

How is it obvious to practically everyone but Wisdom/QT that Nero is obvtown here?

go reread that fg game that had the nero-mara scum hydra. Was nero obvtown there too?

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yeah like last time i nailed your whole team

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the result matters but you can kid yourself all you want

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it was obvious sarcasm

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sure let me get home

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loling
gz nancy, youve given scum space to dance

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Given this + the Nos kill I think CM (now Wisdom) could be scum,

like this is so awful.
"This" refers to cm posting once, as if activity was ever an indicator of scuminess
And the nos kill means fuckall, only Nancy thinks otherwise, but youre obviously trying to milk it

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are you serious rn

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creature out your guilty please so this farce can end

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i bet you dont actually have one

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so you just want scum to target you and dont have a guilty

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maria are you gonna vote gamma
or are you content with me dying

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so the latter

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Im effectively at l-1 since gamma will vote me soon

voting anyone not gamma is silent approval

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yeah your "stronger case" on kokichi is that hes been kokichi
@gamma

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How? Like his whole jazz was claiming that I and Gamma were scum but at the same time he's off saying "BEWARE OF MARIA!" as if he believes that me and Gamma are NOT scum

How do people read this and not scream bs is beyond me
Nero is continiously arguing im forced to only have two scumreads and explore nothing else

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You called his posts scum posturing when they were standard kokichi posts and then you assigned scum motivation to a post wher kokichi was just wondering about the self hammer
@gamma

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How? Like his whole jazz was claiming that I and Gamma were scum but at the same time he's off saying "BEWARE OF MARIA!" as if he believes that me and Gamma are NOT scum

How do people read this and not scream bs is beyond me
Nero is continiously arguing im forced to only have two scumreads and explore nothing else

i liked how you are misrepping this shit out of me right now. Nowhere have I ever called you scummy for only having two scum reads.

you are saying that if im supporting you and gamma are scum im not allowed to scumread maria
This equals not being allowed having more than two scumreads

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because he sucked
there wasnt a plan.

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It's a contradiction to believe that he's found both scum while looking beyond as if he doesn't expect the two of us to flip scum.

No, its called scumhunting because im not infallible and thinking ive found the scum doesnt mean i have actually found them
Furthermore youve seen me have this exact behavior in every game we've played but somehow it doesnt matter
You are so obviously scum

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there isnt a guilty result

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nero and gamma are obvscum and i figured them in one day
watch us somehow lose this game

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read the game

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lynch gamma and if he flips green ill selfvote
hows that for an 1v1

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more bs
anyone who follows the game can tell exactly why i think youre scum

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and once again youve played with me and you know i dont make cases but show why people are scum through interactions, like im doing this very moment
But youre choosing to ignore it

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more like the reverse

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vote gamma.

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nah, it's prob wisdom/FA.

vote:FA_Q2

surprise surprise

[Wisdom]

he doesn't have a guilty

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I'm a claimed pr wich prob explains why you two scumbuts are pushing me.

where did you claim?

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because why lynch scum when you can lynch town

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why the hell would i push you as scum if i knew youre a pr instead of just shooting you at night

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hed have outed it already if he had one

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im talking about today

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im not going to talk about faq2 at all

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i already never talk about my reads, but since tora was polite, i thought id try despite how much i dislike it
but then he went and voted me so fuck that

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like, i took it as a sign that we were communicating and he wanted to work with me
obviously not

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will people listen about nero when gamma flips red?
most likely not but one can hope

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no one wants Gamma?

triggered

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maria why do you scumread faq2

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i reread his iso and i dont even remember why i didnt like him
hes town

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gamma and nero, duh

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also you are voting faq2 and calling him town? or are you just trolling me

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youre wrong, this is scum nero

[Wisdom]

Wisdom Nero Cain Gamma Emerald

get me off the scum line

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I have read Gamma incorrectly once and I'm pretty dam sure he's town here along with the NK15 play.

you're wrong about both, the nkplay is obvious scum and gamma is also obvious scum

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Almost50 Kokichi Oma FA_Q2

also wtf are these scumreads

Kokichi has done nothing scummy, faq2 has done nothing scummy and brian/sakura were obvtown

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Yeah intentionally misrepping people is very reasonable

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Correct wrong and very wrong

Then explain why faq2 is scum
You just said you cant

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lol my tunnel
Youve seen me nailing scum how many fucking times now and you still talk about tunnels

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Pedit2: I just did explain

What did you explain? You said you dont have reasons to townread him
What are the reasons to scumread him?

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wisdom, can you explain how this is nero's scum game? what's the main difference between his scum and town games that you see here and makes him scum?

Hes misrepping me on purpose like he always does to me as scum
He is forcing random conclusions and insists about them like he does as scum
He was subtly trying to get people away from gamma while fighting with gamma

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Have you played with him before? Did he do these things you expect from him? @maria

[Wisdom]

Side note wisdom what games have we been in that one of us has not been scum together? The closest I remember is the death note game and walking dead so I don't see what you're saying by "nailing whole scumteams"

Anime binge is the first thing that comes to mind

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yes, faq2
Do you have meta or are you just disliking a playstyle?

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good. Hes town. As is kokichi, as is almost.

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cut the bs, nero
You cant even keep your vote on gamma

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kokichi is not scummy, kokichi is usual kokichi

almost is town, why do you think otherwise?

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Nero wisdom stop the 1v1 bs we both know no one will magically listen to whoever flips green lynch the other because MS rarely listens to a flipped persons reads. You say you're both misrepping. I don't see that. You both think the other is scum? I don't see that.
What I see is 2 people going after each other who is calling whatever the other person posts next scummy.
It's not working

this happens all the fucking time
I catch a scum, town calls my fight with them tvt
I should just never fight my scumreads

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i was already scumreading them from d1 too with how they were acting around frozen like wtf

I didnt see anything different than usual sakura

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tora saw the light maria
Your turn next

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1 of those 2 hydra are scum but the other is town because Sakura/brain either spewed Frozen town

and they tr frozen early when tor/frozen angel are really good players and nothing they posted were "obv town" like ffts whole play around frozen is so BAD

disagree, they were pretty obvtown from early on

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no im not
hes not even in lynch danger

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btw
Recommended reading for whoever cant see nero is scum
Our isos from the last game i caught him and he did the exact same shit misrepping

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or because your buddy has more votes

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lol ok tora
dunno what i expected, ive said it myself countless times that meta you havent lived yourself isn't meta

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I fought with him there, im fighting with him here
Allow me to know better if hes the same scumfuck who purposefully misses the point of everything im saying and twists it in a way people will like him and dislike me

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unlike you I have the balls to 1v1

yeah thats why you didnt keep your vote on gamma

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as long as you figure its nero when ceejay towns it up

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though considering his iso the last time i replaced him, he's probably never gonna town it up

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voting yourself when youre in no danger to be lynched means fuckall
vote gamma and keep your vote there. The offer still stands, ill selfvote if he flips green.

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this is totally a town mindset, right tora?

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"You are not allowed to have scumreads when you declare you solved the game. It means you are scum contradicting yourself."
"You are scum because you say you scumread me but don't vote me. Voting who you think is my buddy, who also happens to have more votes, is irrelevant."
"FAQT expressing discontent about the quicklynch means he is angry he wasn't here to bus his buddy. This is the only logical explanation I can think of."

some of nero's town mindsets

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this is totally a town mindset, right tora?

shooting yourself in the foot the way nero is doing is actually townminded

i dont get how you can be so reasonable in one post and so dumb in another

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mind-boggling hopelessly clueless town?

the idea of being good town doesn't cross your mind, huh

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Wisdom, Nero has asked you several times why you won’t vote for him and all you continue to do. is to shade Nero and push Gamma wagon. Why?

Why would i vote him when gamma is also a scumread and hes closer to a lynch, nancy?

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Wisdom ffs, IF you’re town here, seriously do. metacheck on Nero. I don’t buy your reasoning for scumreading them and I don’t understand why you even think they’re remotely scummy.

Ive played with nero and thats precisely why I know hes scum here. Dont tell me to meta him. I don't care if you're incapable of understanding basic things, nero is still scum.

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like Nancy is saying all the things I'm saying so we're either both town with similar thinking or she's scum thats parroting me. I lean the former though.

no shes jist dumb like always and listens to scum

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because youre obvtown and he is obvscum
Stop asking silly questions, youre different people and i read you differently

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idk why im wasting my time
experience has showed im always better off ignoring you
Ill talk to tw if he thinks its needed

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fuck the new meta, in old times i was never wagoned as town

Claim: I am a bodyguard

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also its still nero and gamma

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i wasnt told, im assuming nobody given he was inactive

I just asked aris though to be sure

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because the 5 last pages were about me and im close to a lynch

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Moment alignment was far from clear - unlike Nero.

Youre right, nero alignment is clear, but sadly only to me

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Why is he completely unwilling to metacheck Nero, if he’s actually town here?

someone tell nancy i dont "metacheck" people
Meta that you havent experienced yourself isnt meta
I only trust my own experiences with nero and these make it clear nero is scum

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Wisdom never insanely deathtunels like this as town.

Nancy, youve played what, four games with me?
People who have played dozens still fail to meta me and you think you can do it with four fucking games. Get over yourself, you will never have a clue what i do and what I don't as town.

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And, also no way, does town!Wisdom get angry when he is told to do a metacheck.

you tell someone who scumreads someone because of meta to do a metacheck, nancy
Its at least stupid

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you're town reading both of Tor and snuggly right? and we now that NOS is dead town. Why, if you are town, are you not listening to your team and 3 players with recent experience with me?

town doesnt equal accurate reads

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Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

And what whadduya know lol, not one of them is Gamma.

this was before id read end of d1, so yeah, obviously nk/gamma were not scummy yet

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cmon nero, take the stance fully

Why should we sheep nos over lynching gamma?

Why is gamma not your preferree lynch?

Ding, ding. When did Nos ever advocate NK(Gamma) lynch and where did Nero ever suggest such a thing? But yeah, I can totally see how he’s “misrepping” you here.

I saw that you understood your mistake afterwards but this is a perfect example to show youre incapable of understanding how i think

This quote is also nice because its explaining one of the main nero scumpoints (him summoning nos reads to try and make a cw to gamma), so its so ridiculous youre reading this so differently

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What is your interpretation of this then?

there was a lynch
Some people dont like early lynches

When does town ever hate early lynches, when they hit scum? This can’t be a serious answer.

except there wasnt a flip at that point

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He was already

assuming

that Pork was flipping scum.

youre nitpicking. He gave his opinion assuming pork is flipping scum. That doesn't mean he was assuming pork to be scum in general, thus nor that he should be happy about the quicklynch

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(him summoning nos reads to try and make a cw to gamma)

I was pushing FAQ long before Gamma was a thing. Is there are reason you and him keep accusing me of starting counter wagons when I wasn't?

You were fighting gamma and suddenly you started talking about how we should sheep nos.

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no im not
the guy saw a quicklynch first, and started assuming after

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sure keep missing the point

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just vote gamma

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so we get another scumflip

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Maria thinks that the selfhammer was planned and nk wouldnt l-1 him

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My predecessor targeted kokichi n1

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yeah just because you cant see nero is scum my play is scummy

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im not good at convincing, im good at catching scum

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yep

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dont ask me, id never bg kokichi

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nancy i will forgive you this once, but if this behavior continues in future games after you see im town here i don't think ill continue playing with you
i can only take so much discrediting

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ofc youll call this ate or something but im serious

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no because hes town

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yes and like i said i do the same things as town and scum but you ignore me and think you know better

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I like how no one is reading the game

ikr
mafiascum 2018

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also if anyone not nancy could tell me why nero is pushing a bg claim as town thatd be great

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also if anyone not nancy could tell me why nero is pushing a bg claim as town thatd be great

you are also pushing a PR so aren't you scum for the same reasons?

quote your claim because i havent seen one

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why cant i have a dayvig

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ive solved it ages now creature

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maria any post that calls me scum is nancy

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kokichi is town cmon

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yes Maria

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why is gamma still alive

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392, Nancy

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TBH, I am wondering why Wisdom is still TRing me hard.

Predecessor.

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no, i know for a fact its bs as ive been inactive myself in towngames on purpose
and no your predecessor was town

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can we not stray from the gamma lynch

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VOTE: ceejay

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the same old bad arguments

the hammer wad obviously not coordinated

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yeah but ceejay is scummy

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am i going to regret switching? probably

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VOTE: gamma

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who is ceejay's buddy, tora?

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we're just lynching a lazy lynchbait thats flipping town

Vote gamma.

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your scumtells continue being shit, almost

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its either gamma/nero or gamma/faqt

yes, i started doubting my nero read

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its funny how that statement is correct but youre using it incorrectly

There is no resistance, nancy, like you said

Who is his buddy?

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the answer is nobody, hes just lynchbait

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where do i apply to play with less shallow people

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Because sooner he wasn't at l-1 and we werent about to lynch him

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I voted him because i wanted to prompt him to town it up
At no point was i okay with a cj lynch
This is probably the point youre missing

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fa goes back to scumpile

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if the l-1 remained wed likely have a hammer before he reacted

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If something had happened in the thread to change your mind, no that would have not have been scummy but you pretty much did a complete 180 on that slot and right before hammer.

no because i never really scumread him to begin with
i just found his posts scumish and wanted to pressure him to do more

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yeah sorry for not wanting to lynch town with you tora

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i can take an educated guess based on no viable buddies, his general apathy to be townread and the presence of much scummier people

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and i really hate that earlier in the day we had almost identical thoughts and now youre almost as shallow as nancy but thats how life is
Youll get your mislynch be it cj or me and then youll maybe understand i was right while nancy will find some new moonlogic to chase

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gamma is towny

nope

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when you learn to understand thought processes without rushing to bs conclusions call me

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nero if youre town consider gamma/fa

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im shallow?

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ok

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i was just making sure, nero, jeez

because if youre saying me, cj and kokichi are town it means we agree

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VOTE: fa

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in this site meta most people are like nm

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regardless, my vote was there just for pressure and tora asking for a hammer meant i had to unvote

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in case you didnt notice i have townies suspecting me and voting me

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The only thing I don't understand about Wisdoms hop off is why he did it before ceejay answered if it was just a pressure vote. I'm sure if someone was gonna hammer we'd have intent.

im not as trusting as you

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who do you see as gamma buddy if not fa?

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fa is the lead wagon

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aris said he did a vc but i dont see it