Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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Post Post #2050  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:58 pm

VOTE: Keyser Söze

It's pretty much either him or Toranaga at this point, but Keyser is definitely the scummier one by a longshot. There's just zero world where any of Irrelephant/Nauci/Eragon flips scum.

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Post Post #2051  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:02 pm

Votecount 4.01

Keyser Söze (1) - Reundo
Reundo (1) - Eragon

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Keyser Söze, Nauci, Toranaga

The deadline for Day 4 is 9:38 pm CT on Wednesday, October 10, in (expired on 2018-10-10 22:38:11).

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    Just some reminders:
    - With 6 people alive, it would take 4 votes to guarantee a lynch and (possibly) end the day early.
    - If the day were to end now, Keyser Söze would be lynched.
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Post Post #2052  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:10 pm

my POE is keyser/toranaga/reundo but it's really more like

keyser
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toranaga
reundo

lol

but before we start voting and whatnot

Reundo can you write out your full thoughts on why you think keyser is scummy, and why it couldn't be me/eragon/irrelephant

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Post Post #2053  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:11 pm

I don't want you to just coast through in my blind spot for agreeing with me I want your own detailed words and references

like it should be clear that you'll have to do some work today to get keyser lynched over you, nevermind toranaga

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Post Post #2054  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:14 pm

Spoiler:
I may not live to see our glory
But I will gladly join the fight
And when our children tell our story
They'll tell the story of tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
Something they can never take away
No matter what they tell you
Raise our glass to the four of us
Tomorrow there'll be more of us
Telling the story of tonight
The story of tonight
I may not live to see our glory
But I will gladly join the fight
And when our children tell our story
They'll tell the story of tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
Something they can never take away
No matter what they tell you
Raise our glass to the four of us
Tomorrow there'll be more of us
Telling the story of tonight
The story of tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Let's have another round tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
Something they can never take away
No matter what they tell you
Raise our glass to the four of us
Tomorrow there'll be more of us
Telling the story of tonight
The story of tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
They'll tell the story of tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
They'll tell the story of tonight
Raise our glass to freedom
They'll tell the story of tonight
Telling the story of tonight
Let's have another round tonight
The story of tonight

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Post Post #2055  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:17 pm

In post 2052, Nauci wrote:but before we start voting and whatnot

Reundo can you write out your full thoughts on why you think keyser is scummy, and why it couldn't be me/eragon/irrelephant


Yeah, sure. I'll try to work on this over today/tomorrow.

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Post Post #2056  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:24 pm

reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you

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Post Post #2057  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:32 pm

In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


I mean I do this all the time as town because writing up giant walls of careful analysis takes time regardless of alignment?

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Post Post #2058  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:33 pm

like let's evaluate the actual thoughts and not when any of us have an extra 4 hours to bang out some mafia essays

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Post Post #2059  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:33 pm

In post 2057, Nauci wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


I mean I do this all the time as town because writing up giant walls of careful analysis takes time regardless of alignment?

he did that last gameday as well if you don't remember

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Post Post #2060  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:34 pm

In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.


You didn't seem to have a problem when Eragon or Nauci did almost the exact same thing. Why is it a problem when I do it?

In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


What thoughts have I avoided sharing? I've already stated my reads yesterday, which haven't changed going into today. At this point it's just a matter of me fleshing them out, which you can't expect me to do at the snap of a finger.

P-EDIT: Thank you, Nauci. That's exactly what I was trying to say.

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Post Post #2061  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:36 pm

And I only did it last gameday because it was largely during the weekend when I generally don't have much time to play mafia, and by the time I did have the time to write a catch-up the worst was already lynched.

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Post Post #2062  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:38 pm

In post 2058, Nauci wrote:like let's evaluate the actual thoughts and not when any of us have an extra 4 hours to bang out some mafia essays


agree here.

I aint got shit time to do anything.

just a bit of time on the bus to and from school(and a couple patches like this), which most of the time I do HW

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Post Post #2063  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:41 pm

In post 2060, Reundo wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.


You didn't seem to have a problem when Eragon or Nauci did almost the exact same thing. Why is it a problem when I do it?

In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


What thoughts have I avoided sharing? I've already stated my reads yesterday, which haven't changed going into today. At this point it's just a matter of me fleshing them out, which you can't expect me to do at the snap of a finger.

P-EDIT: Thank you, Nauci. That's exactly what I was trying to say.


ill say something on the first part,
I haven't really seen you do much since I replaced in, and not really much on the reads, so I get why it could be weird when your popping on at Daystart saying "these 3 are never scum" I dont think its neccesarily AI, but still different,

Like, Im pretty sure ive had that solid town core for like 1000 posts, and it hasn't really changed, give or take a few

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Post Post #2064  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:47 pm

In post 2059, Toranaga wrote:
In post 2057, Nauci wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


I mean I do this all the time as town because writing up giant walls of careful analysis takes time regardless of alignment?

he did that last gameday as well if you don't remember


personally I think we hammered way too quickly d2 when there was plenty of time left for more analysis

I owe a sincere apology to TW :(

I realized too late that I was scum reading not for TW scum tells but for generic ones which don't really apply to him

should have stuck with my guns wrt keyser, who just continues to feel disingenuous even when I try to go back and reread his ISO in a different light

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Post Post #2065  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:47 pm

In post 2060, Reundo wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.


You didn't seem to have a problem when Eragon or Nauci did almost the exact same thing. Why is it a problem when I do it?

In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you


What thoughts have I avoided sharing? I've already stated my reads yesterday, which haven't changed going into today. At this point it's just a matter of me fleshing them out, which you can't expect me to do at the snap of a finger.

P-EDIT: Thank you, Nauci. That's exactly what I was trying to say.


you could have stayed and shared your reads anyway. we spent hours talking after the worst was already hammered and declared himself town. you made one post and disappeared. now you're doing a very similar routine. eragon is right that after d1 you didn't provide much of anything in terms of trying to solve the game, and I don't compare you with nauci or eragon because they're both constantly working on the game, while all I've gotten from you recently are promises. I'd expect you, with the little amount of time you have, to actually have some material ready for this gameday as well since you're the other VT claim from last gameday and you were never dying at night.

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Post Post #2066  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:06 am

[Sorry TW, you should have stuck with your focus on Reundo: that late Sith move onto me really shook me up... and sadly I had to policy lynch you for it.]

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Post Post #2067  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:36 am

Where my head is right now regarding Reundo.

The scum narrative:

- uncomfortable start pressing non alignment indicative factors as scummy (worst entrance by any player), realises he needs to save his slot
- busses teammate (Volxen) and continues miminal posting
- sets himself up perfectly: nobody can put together a strong case versus his small ISO, and will all bestow town cred on him for his acute push on flipped scum. He’s happy to be town read and be outside everyone's PoE
- half hesitant with Dunnstral wagon
- continues a suspicious periphery presence (choosing when to join the game when a misslynch is viable)
- I actually think he’s out of his element with the town players in this playerslist so has failed to engage one on one in real time. We could have had a perfect game lynching him yesterday.
- his reads reflect two misslynches lined up (his only strategy now)
- his timing to show up is always bad (scum indicative opportunistic/survivalist behaviour)
- there is a serious lack of WIM from his slot (the least WIM demonstrated by all the playerlist, despite apparently dunking on scum on D1)
- no pro-active sorting of the playerlist (where is the sincere town initiative, the paranoia, the genuine concern of someone challenging both his reads and others?
- the more he posts about myself/Toranaga the more likely he’ll be lynched tomorrow anyway (so he’s in a dilemma, thus, his pro-active contributions will be underwhelming yet again)
- meta: his posts lack the soul of the town meta I have read of his. This Reundo is not the real town Reundo, but a fake imitation.


Promised to ISO each player though first before I vote.

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Post Post #2068  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:37 am

Wellplayed NSG - you were quality this game x

Need a reunion of this playerlist soon.

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Post Post #2069  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:30 am

Someday we'll all Hydra together

It'll be a 300 page game

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Post Post #2070  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:02 am

In post 2068, Keyser Söze wrote:Wellplayed NSG - you were quality this game x

Need a reunion of this playerlist soon.

Hear hear.

To pretty much everyone
In post 2069, Nauci wrote:Someday we'll all Hydra together

It'll be a 300 page game


That will be confusing AF for who is posting what lmao

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Post Post #2071  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:17 am

NSG's last words were to not let Toranaga make it to endgame
Seems like others will be casing Keyser and Reundo first so I'm gonna do Tora first - I will be surprised if I find him to be the best lynch, but someone's gotta honor nsg's legacy or whatever

I do think we ought to be thorough enough to examine me/nauci/eragon closer... We've all been riding towncred from early anti-associational moments that may or may not deserve the full townreads we've received. It would be nice if we could be sure on all three of our slots, though.

Slightly disappointed to be here this game day, I was hoping I could watch nsg solve the game from the dead thread

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Post Post #2072  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:34 am

In post 2069, Nauci wrote:Someday we'll all Hydra together

It'll be a 300 page game

lmao

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Post Post #2073  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:36 am

I'm in favour of us going over everything again for the 20th time as much as the next guy

but reundo claimed VT so he is the lynch today regardless. I'm sure you all understand how it's not mechanically appropriate to bug any other slot to hardclaim today.

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Post Post #2074  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:43 am

mm interesting theory
but if the vt isn't scum
then we should probably lynch the scum

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