Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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Post Post #2075  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:56 am

Spoiler: "Colored Votecounts", or "Whereby Nauci is 100% Cleared"
In post 38, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.01

2 718281828459 (2) - Keyser Söze , Poseidon
Irrelephant11 (2) - Ausuka , 2 718281828459
GameNBurger (1) - volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Sesq
Dunnstral (1) - Irrelephant11

Not voting: Dunnstral, GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal, Reundo

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - Just as a reminder, if the day were to end now 2 718281828459 would be lynched.

In post 77, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.02

Keyser Söze (2) - Sesq , Reundo
Irrelephant11 (2) - Ausuka , 2 718281828459
Reundo (1) - Keyser Söze
GameNBurger (1) - volxen
2 718281828459 (1) - Poseidon
Dunnstral (1) - Irrelephant11

Not voting: Dunnstral, GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - Now and always, please let me know if I've gotten anything wrong.

In post 100, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.03

Keyser Söze (3) - Sesq , Reundo , 2 718281828459
2 718281828459 (2) - Poseidon , Keyser Söze
GameNBurger (1) - volxen
Irrelephant11 (1) - Ausuka
Dunnstral (1) - Irrelephant11

Not voting: Dunnstral, GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - With 12 players, it would take 7 votes to hammer someone and possibly end the day early. (Just realized I forgot to say this before, sorry.)
    - Kop has picked up his role PM, so his prod timers will proceed as normal. (Also realized I forgot to mention this, doubly-sorry.)
    - Finally, some friendly advice: Please read the pronouns of all the other players, and do your best to remember them and use them properly.

In post 130, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.04

Keyser Söze (3) - Sesq , Reundo , 2 718281828459
2 718281828459 (2) - Keyser Söze , Irrelephant11
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral
GameNBurger (1) - volxen
Irrelephant11 (1) - Ausuka

Not voting: GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal, Poseidon

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 150, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.05

Reundo (3) - Ausuka , Keyser Söze , Irrelephant11
Keyser Söze (2) - Reundo , 2 718281828459
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral
GameNBurger (1) - volxen

Not voting: GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal, Poseidon , Sesq

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - Reundo and Dunnstral have been prodded. They have (expired on 2018-08-27 09:02:16) to post before I start searching for their replacements.

In post 178, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.06

Reundo (3) - Ausuka , Keyser Söze , Irrelephant11
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral
Keyser Söze (1) - Reundo
GameNBurger (1) - volxen

Not voting: GameNBurger, Kop, Toranaga , Sesq , 2 718281828459

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - Searching for Reundo's replacement. If he posts here before I find someone, he can stay in the game.
    - The colors in post are difficult to read in mafSepia. Please try to use colors that work for both the light and dark colored board themes.

In post 203, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.07

2 718281828459 (2) - Irrelephant11 , Kop
Reundo (2) - Ausuka , Keyser Söze
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral
Keyser Söze (1) - Reundo
[GameNBurger] (1) - volxen

Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga , Sesq , 2 718281828459

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 230, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.08

volxen (4) - Reundo , Irrelephant11 , Sesq , Keyser Söze
2 718281828459 (1) - Kop
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal
Reundo (1) - Ausuka
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral
[GameNBurger] (1) - volxen

Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga , 2 718281828459

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 251, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.09

volxen (5) - Reundo , Irrelephant11 , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Ausuka
2 718281828459 (2) - Kop , volxen
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga , 2 718281828459

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - If anyone else would like to try finding a replacement for GameNBurger's slot, I'd really appreciate it.

In post 279, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.10

volxen (4) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Ausuka
[2 718281828459] (2) - Kop , volxen
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting: the worst, Toranaga , [2 718281828459]

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - @the worst: I'm planning on pausing the deadline at 48 hours to the end of Day 1 until the other replacement is found, if necessary. Is that fine, or do you want more or an extension?

In post 344, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.11

Sesq (4) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , the worst , volxen
volxen (4) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Ausuka
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
[2 718281828459] (1) - Kop

Not voting: Toranaga , [2 718281828459]

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Mod notes
    - Ausuka has been prodded. She has (expired on 2018-09-02 10:23:45) to post before I start searching for her replacement.
    - @northsidegal: After deliberation, I have decided to stick to my original deadline extension of pausing at 48 hours until the last replacement is filled (if necessary).

In post 351, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.12

Sesq (5) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , the worst , volxen , Ausuka
volxen (3) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Kop

Not voting: Toranaga , Huntress

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - Just to be clear, post does not count as an unvote, due to broken formatting.

In post 395, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.13

Sesq (5) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , the worst , volxen , Ausuka
volxen (3) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: Toranaga

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 411, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.14

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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    - @Keyser Soze: The deadline in this vote count and the first post of the thread are both current and accurate.

In post 428, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.15

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 456, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.16

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 476, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.17

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 501, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.18

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

In post 509, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.19 - FINAL

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

A lynch has been achieved!

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Post Post #2076  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:57 am

So fmpov either scum is eragon or one scum bussed the volxen lynch
that challenges some assumptions

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Post Post #2077  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:05 am

I think I'm at Keyser/toranaga which is not what I expected
It's just really hard to read those colored votecounts and come away with "reundo is the scum"

Maybe we all townclear his posts because his posts deserve townclear

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Post Post #2078  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:10 am

yeah but we townclear his posts on d1, and he got increasingly scummy as the gamedays progressed.

yes he was the first on volxen. yes he cased the fuck out of volxen. but remember the reasons you had for townclearing me and keyser. they're still there. and I'm sure you didn't even ISO either of us to say you're at me/keyser. you're just looking at VCs.

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Post Post #2079  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:11 am

Votecount 4.02

Keyser Söze (1) - Reundo
Reundo (1) - Eragon

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Keyser Söze, Nauci, Toranaga

The deadline for Day 4 is 9:38 pm CT on Wednesday, October 10, in (expired on 2018-10-10 22:38:11).
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Post Post #2080  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:11 am

No I'm staring at your ISO right now and I don't remember any more why you got to be in the townblock
Remind me

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Post Post #2081  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:13 am

IDK, maybe you used to be better

it's about how I shifted the wagons to volxen d1 if you go back there and see the momentum shifting as soon as I voted him. and then I was towny throughout the entire game, solving the whole time and never stopping.

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Post Post #2082  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:14 am

my first and second votes were on scum this game btw.

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Post Post #2083  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:15 am

I mean here's where I'm at, practically speaking:

Eragon isn't scum because he was Dunnstral's survival wagon
Toranaga isn't scum because he made sure volxen got lynched d1
Reundo isn't scum because he made sure volxen got lynched d1
Nauci isn't scum because she was volxen's survival wagon
I'm not scum
Keyser isn't scum...... but I don't remember why actually...... okay I see where I should be looking :giggle:

tor if Keyser is definitely town, why?

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Post Post #2084  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:15 am

I just never scumread anything he writes

maybe he is scum and I have a blindspot for the guy, but he feels absolutely genuine the entire time he is here.

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Post Post #2085  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:16 am

Still I'm gonna keep exploring the tor angle. If it's Keyser or Reundo I'll be convinced soon enough. I distinctly remember wanting Eragon's lynch over Dunnstral's because of a combination of Tor/Keyser

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Post Post #2086  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:17 am

reundo's posts this gameday are scummy btw, while keyser isn't. reundo posting one thing after worst was hammered and not hanging around to talk to us was scummy, while keyser remained active. also IDK, if you think I'm scum, don't you townread me/eragon/worst twilight posting? cause I'm strong townreading eragon for those interactions with us and it doesn't feel too hard to get there wrt me either.

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Post Post #2087  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:24 am

In post 2084, Toranaga wrote:I just never scumread anything he writes

maybe he is scum and I have a blindspot for the guy, but he feels absolutely genuine the entire time he is here.

I feel the same about Toranaga.

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Post Post #2088  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:27 am

Eragon evolved into a different type of player on D3 (he was so uptight on D2) - perhaps it was when they realised I wasn't scum :wink:

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Post Post #2089  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:30 am

It can just be reundo, I guess
Reundo come play

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Post Post #2090  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:32 am

In post 2076, Irrelephant11 wrote:So fmpov either scum is eragon or one scum bussed the volxen lynch
that challenges some assumptions

I've been along the 'scum bussed scum' narrative for a long time now. So I expect attention my way via VCA (I'm on both the Volxen and Dunstral lynch wagons).

Let's face it though, Volxen was no hard lynch. There wasn't an uphill struggle to make their wagon/lynch viable. If Volxen had been mass-town cred, then cased, then maybe you would give massive kudos to the people who pro-actively pushed his wagon, but no.

Dead weight scum is dead weight scum.

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Post Post #2091  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:35 am

In post 2089, Irrelephant11 wrote:It can just be reundo, I guess
Reundo come play

Check any Reundo town game to see if they're this distant.

His posts lack soul and drive here.



Then he magically appears and says he wants me and The worst dead. HOW? WHAT? WHY?

Today he's appeared saying he wants me and Tora dead. HOW? WHAT? WHY?


I don't believe 1% the sincerity of his reads.

The only thing he was truly open about (with surgical precision) was his read on Volxen (which I believe was a bus).

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Post Post #2092  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:36 am

In post 2090, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2076, Irrelephant11 wrote:So fmpov either scum is eragon or one scum bussed the volxen lynch
that challenges some assumptions

I've been along the 'scum bussed scum' narrative for a long time now. So I expect attention my way via VCA (I'm on both the Volxen and Dunstral lynch wagons).

Let's face it though, Volxen was no hard lynch. There wasn't an uphill struggle to make their wagon/lynch viable. If Volxen had been mass-town cred, then cased, then maybe you would give massive kudos to the people who pro-actively pushed his wagon, but no.

Dead weight scum is dead weight scum.

*mass town read

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Post Post #2093  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:47 am

In post 2083, Irrelephant11 wrote:Toranaga isn't scum because he made sure volxen got lynched d1
Reundo isn't scum because he made sure volxen got lynched d1

Take out those reasons for t/reading Tora and Volxen (cos reading Volxen's ISO, it was dire, forced and unnatural) - now how do you read those players?

Which player is trying to solve the game out of Tora/Reundo?

Which player is more likely falling back on that supposed town-cred from D1 out of Tora/Reundo?

Who has been pro-active and pushed wagons with self-evident passion, out of Tora/Reundo?

Who has been beetlejuiced into the thread, out of Tora/Reundo?

Who has talked about their reads and talked one vs one with their own scum reads, out of Tora/Reundo?

Who has conversed with their own town reads to help form understanding of slots they can't read, out of Tora/Reundo?

Who's posting style and display of thoughts/feelings is more natural, out of Tora/Reundo?

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Post Post #2094  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:50 am

all really good points
we should all just prodge until Reundo solves the game

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Post Post #2095  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:53 am

In post 1872, Keyser Söze wrote:Oh, and which player does Volxen attempt to create last-minute distancing with, before being cut off by the mod and ending the day:
In post 508, volxen wrote:I don't really have any time to elaborate before the deadline, but I do think Reundo may possibly be scum. I really didn't like his entrance to the game and the way he attacked Keyser right off the bat, and I think the way he is playing this game is very opportunistic.



:shifty:







Oh, and just for reference, this becomes very pertinent after Dunnstral’s flip:

In post 1411, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 428, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.15

volxen (6) - Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3) - Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Huntress
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant
Huntress (1) - Eragon

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Who else said DUNN-NSG-VOLXEN are unlikely scum team based on all three sat on Sesq/Nauci slot at EoD?


Today is about finding The Man Who Bussed Volxen For Most Optimal Gain.

^



Moreover, Volxen attacked both Sesq and 2.718 for attacking me/scum reading me at the start of D1.
But somehow Volxen overlooked Reundo attacking me/scum reading me at the start of D1... and only remembered at the very end of D1 before he was lynched.

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Post Post #2096  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:22 pm

In post 2061, Reundo wrote:And I only did it last gameday because it was largely during the weekend when I generally don't have much time to play mafia, and by the time I did have the time to write a catch-up the worst was already lynched.

Excuses excuses.

You do realise how long the game days are?

You watched us miss lynch The Worst.





In post 2050, Reundo wrote:VOTE: Keyser Söze

It's pretty much either him or Toranaga at this point, but Keyser is definitely the scummier one by a longshot. There's just zero world where any of Irrelephant/Nauci/Eragon flips scum.

Explain to me how you are so sure?

I've studied every post and tried to be as attentive as possible but even I would fully town clear 'Irrelephant/Nauci/Eragon' - where is the paranoia to rationalize and do the due diligence homework to support any of your reads?

It was me or the worst yesterday, and now me and Tora today? I knew you were lining up misslynches as soon as I realised you weren't reading the thread/analysing/revising your reads.

You don't even have the interactions to be so locked into confirmation bias either (like I was with Eragon)

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Post Post #2097  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:07 pm

I'm reading d2 SOD and I'm very strong townreading eragon, keyser and I think irrelephant on them. this post:

In post 593, Eragon wrote:19999999999999% confirmed town{Nauci}
Spoiler:
kidding.



{Irrelephant, The worst, Keyser}
{toranaga, nauci}
{Ausuka, NSG}
{dunnstral, Reundo}


right now Im not very confident on the reads themselves, because I haven't had ISO dive time yet.
Basically this is just the strength of my reads, so the top bracket is my strongest town reads(but not, like, confirmed town, or "IMO never ever flips scum town")
second is town reads, but could sort of go either way
Ausuka and NSG are basically null
And dunn and Reundo are both small scum reads, but not very confident in them


eragon pretty much had the game nailed d2 SOD :P

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Post Post #2098  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:29 pm

In post 809, Reundo wrote:
In post 784, Keyser Söze wrote:@Reundo - help me with Toranaga and Ausuka.
Both can’t be scum... so either both town, or one scum?


Hmm... I've been thinking about this, and I've decided that Toranaga probably is the scummier one out of the two. I could sort of get Ausuka's thought process throughout D1, but with Toranaga, he seemed to subtly push volxen throughout the day but never actually voted him until the last second. Doesn't really scream that towny to me, tbh. Also, I'm kind of just running out of things to post about. I'll just park my vote here for the time being.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toranaga


this is a scummy post but I'm having a hard time phrasing why. if you check reundo's posting before this vote on d2, he was strong scumreading keyser, but here he just decided to roll with keyser's duality between me and ausuka to evaluate which one is scummier. I don't like his reasoning for scumreading me here, it feels fabricated and not real thoughts he had about my slot as town.

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Post Post #2099  (ISO)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:29 pm

VOTE: reundo

I think this is it

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