OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)
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Then why don't we just label Oka as null and go elsewhere for now? Since what he said could both be town and scum motivated.In post 19, BuJaber wrote:
Because the below assumption assumes that Oka is town.In post 18, ofrhz wrote:
why would he be a good lynch exactlyIn post 14, BuJaber wrote:To be honest you'd be a good lynch right now .. i'd rather not be paranoid about you WIFOMing us. If town please obvtowning it up as soon as possible.
I guess I see your point. We'll have to watch ruru.
If Oka is scum then he could have said that stuff because he knows they didn't coordinate.
In post 12, BuJaber wrote:I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I think it's brass' rvs vote and you're reading too much into it.In post 22, BuJaber wrote:You think scum would willingly guarantee themselves a goon role?
I imagine skitter knew fully well he wasn't getting a power role there.
Some people like me prefer vanilla townie. But I haven't heard of anyone yet that prefers vanilla scum to a PR scum.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Uh if I'm understanding this correctly, you scumread ofrhz because he dismissed you and belittled you?In post 32, BuJaber wrote:
Is this how you normally are?In post 17, ofrhz wrote:
let's notIn post 12, BuJaber wrote: I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
Because your tone rubs me the wrong way. I feel dismissed and belittled.
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This post is pinging me.In post 39, Enigma wrote:
But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?In post 12, BuJaber wrote:VOTE: brass
Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.
1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.
I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.
But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber
It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.
I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Uh no. Since scum would already know the numbers that their partners picked, it would be less likely that they got the same number as someone.
Though if were considering numbers from one to infinity, it wouldn't matter and it would be negligible.
So yeah, I'm of the opinion that analyzing draft picks of numbers and trying to figure out if scum would pick same numbers or different ones would be exhausting and not very helpful.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Uh I sorta understand.In post 100, Enigma wrote:
Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?In post 88, skitter30 wrote:i am confused?
if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?
Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?
Town!ruru being on top spot means mafia will prioritize killing her because they think she has this powerful role. Now that she claimed, I'm sure they'll have second thoughts on if visiting her is actually a good idea.
Now we just have to know if this is scum!ruru or town!ruru.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I think BuJaber is town. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't tryhard so early in the game.
Rude. I'm a black mage sir. Townread me or I'll cast meteor.In post 75, BuJaber wrote: @Sando - what is CJ?Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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My problem with Enigma wasn't being on the wagon. It's why he was on the wagon.In post 54, OkaPoka wrote: but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.
we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.
so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?
That reason why he voted BuJaber looked bogus to me and also looked like an excuse to hop onto the wagon, which I dislike.
Do you honestly believe Enigma believes his scumread on BuJaber?Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I stand corrected. That was actually helpful lols.In post 48, brassherald wrote:
Too late, I've already exhausted myself.In post 46, ceejayvinoya wrote:Uh no. Since scum would already know the numbers that their partners picked, it would be less likely that they got the same number as someone.
Though if were considering numbers from one to infinity, it wouldn't matter and it would be negligible.
So yeah, I'm of the opinion that analyzing draft picks of numbers and trying to figure out if scum would pick same numbers or different ones would be exhausting and not very helpful.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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You'll be disappointed lols. Our pt was just mostly me sending nk targets to the mod. No daychat and pregame chat there sort of ruined planning.In post 128, skitter30 wrote:
i really want that scum PT to be opened up ....In post 127, Sando wrote:I very much doubt CJ is partnered with ofrhz, and I know he's not partnered with me. CJ is a very blasé scum when it comes to using powers or plans etc, and basically peaces out of that part of the game, I can't see him going along with this plan and being part of the double up. He would happily let his partners do what they want, so he could be solo to the 3's or the 6's, but I doubt he'd be partnered with a double up.
@ap: is this a fair assessment of scum!cj given jungle republic?
Agree with Sando's assessment tho. I've yet to have a scumgame where I wholeheartedly cooperate with a partner.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Without meta, what's your read on me?In post 137, skitter30 wrote:
cuz i'm still getting a feel for things and not sure where i want to vote yet; i often don't vote (or don't vote seriously) till later on during day1In post 131, OkaPoka wrote:@skitter30 why aren't you voting someone?
also to everyone, meta changes lets not let it be our guiding reason to scumread/townread someone. especially if you think someone is not capable of doing x because of y game, they can improve and be able to do x in this game.
i can't really speak to cj meta but i feel fairly confident on the ruru meta tbh
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i get what you're saying but idk if i would go so far to rule him out from potentially pairing up because of this tbhIn post 132, Sando wrote:
It's probably a better indicator yeah. Newbie with me the cop was basically a single word short of hard-claiming cop, CJs partner noticed it (as did pretty much everyone) and posted in scum pt during twilight of his lynch that CJ should kill the person. CJ was like "nah fuck it, ima kill this other guy", completely missing the cop thing entirely.In post 130, skitter30 wrote:got it, my one and only game with him is jungle republic and all i can base my understanding of that assessment on is how he reacted to ap's plan in thread after the guilty
i'll check out that link at some point.
Basically, CJ strikes me as a great scum in game, but not one for following da plan, hence I think he wouldn't be part of a pair that picked the same number, but I think he wouldn't mind if his two partners paired up their numbers and left him solo.
honestly in a general sense i don't really think that the draft numbers should form the basis of reads (not talking to you specifically here); like it can def be a factor but it shouldn't be the *main* factor imo since WIFOM is inherently at play here
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I don't understand what you mean by treading the NAI lineIn post 170, BuJaber wrote:I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.
Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line
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But then you expressed you have a townvibe on him, which is odd.In post 208, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I don't understand what you mean by treading the NAI lineIn post 170, BuJaber wrote:I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.
Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line
Are you saying that what oka has been saying is mostly NAI?Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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VOTE: Invisiblity
iso'd and actually im getting a gut ping here
No analysis or sorting at all and were almost 10 pages inCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Fixed it for youIn post 323, BuJaber wrote: Skitter seems like solid town. She's working really hard for town cred if she's scum and I think the way she approaches the game is difficult to fake.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Simple. I tried to put pressure on invis with a vote and see what happens. Nothing much happened so I went back to Enigma.In post 333, AP wrote:
OK. This looks like a bad vote to me, but I want to gave an explanation before I make a push. Please explain in you own words what was going through your mind when you posted this.In post 320, ceejayvinoya wrote:Idk what to do with invis. I'll just call him null. Oh well. Back here I guess
VOTE: Enigma
Pedit naa naa naaa i dont hear youuuCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Catching up.
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How so?In post 537, OkaPoka wrote:I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whateverCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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???In post 520, Invisibility wrote:i could have sworn i responded
i was going to say i was waiting for a vulcan prod
VOTE: ceejay
Hey Invis
Mind telling me what this is for?Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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SameIn post 543, Invisibility wrote:i don't find vulcan's vote on ceejay scummyCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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In post 546, OkaPoka wrote:
because wagon dynamics broooooooooooooooooooIn post 538, ceejayvinoya wrote:Catching up.
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How so?In post 537, OkaPoka wrote:I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whateverSpoiler:
Spell it out for me because I'm a bit dum.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I'm very interested in seeing your reads.In post 554, Invisibility wrote:i didnt want to put enigma at L-2 yet because that heads in the direction of a lynchCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Why does this feel wrong to me.
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This guy must be town.In post 731, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: vulcan logician
im tired and want to put my vote somewhere and he has the least amount of posts
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Shoulda said "gamsolving brooooooooooo".In post 872, Skygazer wrote:In post 871, OkaPoka wrote:How does that give Sando townpoints?GAMESOLVING
Anyway, I have this townlean on both Oka and Sky.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I'd love it if you can mention something else on me other than "oh ceejay is so towny he must be scum".In post 923, vulcan logician wrote:Spoiler:
I like the reasoning here, ofrhz. Although you have the chance of being incorrect in your speculation, what you've said certainly is an eyebrow-raiser. I'll hop on the Cardi wagon.
VOTE: Cardi
I wanna hear from Ceej, too. I still have some uncomfortable gut feelings about him.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Like Enigma said, it's best to wait for what the others have to say.
Okapoka, Bujaber and Sando all feel like town to me.
Vulcan is maybe town? I'm not very confident in reading him but I'm seeing town motivation on his posts.
Skygazer and Ausuka are probably town.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Sorry about this btw. I tend to slack off when I get townreadIn post 988, OkaPoka wrote:cj began the game being reasonable and stuff
now he is being quiet and not pushy and not generating much content
+scum killed ruru, a content generator
thus
VOTE: ceejayvinoya
yeah he l-1'd but whatever cj isn't pushing anything. his agenda appears to be xd lul which was invis' agenda just with a little more effortCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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My lynch pool right now is Cardi/AP. Also may be willing to lynch Vulcan but he's a hard null for me so I might need some convincing.
I don't really believe that AP's hammer clears him, since invis flipped goon. Invis was practically being a liability and if they were scum together AP may have took advantage of the moment and bussed him there, since he knows Invis doesn't have a night action anyway.
Pedit heeey MusicCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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In post 158, vulcan logician wrote:Hey guys. Sorry I haven't posted. Very long and busy day, and I'm too worn out to parse through the thread. Bad timing for the first game day. Tomorrow I will be able to devote a few hours to the game with a fresh head, but I gotta get some sleep right now.
I'm a fairly active player, as some of you know. So no worries in that regard.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Only that you used to be more of an active presence in game and it's bothering me. I've seen you play as scum and town and on both of those circumstances you were active.In post 1068, vulcan logician wrote:What are you trying to say there, Ceej?
I've never seen this lurky side of you before and not sure what it implies regarding your alignment.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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You all could be an all goon team for all I know.In post 1079, AP wrote:
He would have been assigned the KILL, since scum can't use their action AND kill at the same night!In post 1060, ceejayvinoya wrote:since he knows Invis doesn't have a night action anyway.
Nice try though.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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And curious to know why you saw it like this. I didn't even state anything on how that represents Vulcan's alignment at that point. Even Vulcan himself had to ask what it means...In post 1081, AP wrote:
I think he's trying to defame all the slots he can.In post 1068, vulcan logician wrote:What are you trying to say there, Ceej?
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What. I'm not doc/RB. Okay?
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I submitted vengeful lols. I didn't get it.In post 1166, OkaPoka wrote:also dont tell me you guys actually submitted nothing at allCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Butbutbut he's a potentially a doooc. That saves peopleee. And wastes scums NK.In post 1249, Sando wrote:
Leaving him alive without sorting seems...bad. Scum leaving him alive keeps up out of the loop, they still want to kill him if we massclaim, they only have 2 kills regardless, and we're gonna narrow the Vig down significantly.In post 1248, ceejayvinoya wrote:Kinda agree with Cardi tbh, (and sort of slapping myself for not thinking it) yeah let AP live since scum has to sort him out if he really is the doc.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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Heeey I didn't say I agree with everything! Only that specific part...In post 1330, Enigma wrote:
But skitter also says she thinks you are the last scum in the same bitIn post 1329, ceejayvinoya wrote:Agree with skitter here. Eod vc yesterday says Vulcan has to be town. I think Cardi is last scum.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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