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Post Post #2175 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:48 am

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Votecount 4.06

Reundo (2)
- Eragon , Toranaga
Keyser Söze (1)
- Reundo

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Keyser Söze, Nauci

The deadline for Day 4 is 9:38 pm CT on Wednesday, October 10, in (expired on 2018-10-10 22:38:11).

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Post Post #2176 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:15 am

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One of my busiest IRL weekends in a long time
Sorry for the empty prodge
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Post Post #2177 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:03 pm

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This is from reundo:


"This complete 180 on me doesn't make any sense at all, and I feel the only reason he's completely changing his read on me is that it's clear I'm a viable mislynch target and that scum-reading me is the new cool and popular opinion to have. This constant flip-flopping of me being town or scum makes absolutely no sense from town, and neither does his constant flip-flopping of his read on Dunnstral."

what about my flip flops on Keyser?
are those wolfy?
I bring this up because I thought Keyser sounded odd, was told that that was just him, close to locktowned him, and then scumread him heavily, and now(yesterday) TR him
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Post Post #2178 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:05 pm

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also, I find it funny.

Reundo says
"I think Keyser is the scummiest person here, so ill do his ISO first"
>spends forever working on Keyser's ISO.
"Oh Keyser is super scummy how hasn't he been lynched yet"
>does nothing else except just make that single gigantic case on his already-confident scumread
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Post Post #2179 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:40 pm

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In post 2177, Eragon wrote:This is from reundo:


"This complete 180 on me doesn't make any sense at all, and I feel the only reason he's completely changing his read on me is that it's clear I'm a viable mislynch target and that scum-reading me is the new cool and popular opinion to have. This constant flip-flopping of me being town or scum makes absolutely no sense from town, and neither does his constant flip-flopping of his read on Dunnstral."

what about my flip flops on Keyser?
are those wolfy?
I bring this up because I thought Keyser sounded odd, was told that that was just him, close to locktowned him, and then scumread him heavily, and now(yesterday) TR him
I want Reundo to answer in his own words, but I found your read changes narrated with posts that showed your thought processes, while Keyser and TW's did not
In post 2178, Eragon wrote:also, I find it funny.

Reundo says
"I think Keyser is the scummiest person here, so ill do his ISO first"
>spends forever working on Keyser's ISO.
"Oh Keyser is super scummy how hasn't he been lynched yet"
>does nothing else except just make that single gigantic case on his already-confident scumread
If there's only 1 scum left in the game, and one have one confident scum read, what if it's actually just on scum?

I mean personally, I still think the scummiest player all game has been Keyser for all sorts of psychological reads. I'd say there's a chance it's reundo or toranaga (that thought struck me at like 3 AM last night but I don't have time to re-evaluate for a while), but that it's rather slim.

Keyser, did you still feel that you'd be okay with being lynched so long as reundo was lynched after, like you offered yesteray?

Side note, I wish I had a dollar for every time scum sacrificially offered to be in a lynch-chain. I could buy a foot long sub.
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Post Post #2180 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:53 pm

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In post 2179, Nauci wrote:Keyser, did you still feel that you'd be okay with being lynched so long as reundo was lynched after, like you offered yesteray?
Yeah offer still open if that's what the majority want, because if a slot like Irrelephant is scum here, I'm beaten anyway.
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Post Post #2181 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:58 pm

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[I've got 9 days to re-read 4 players though... because if Reundo is town here, this is the last day I'm being town read by you guys :giggle: Even I can admit that]
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Post Post #2182 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:09 pm

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FTR: All this 'flip flopping' has given me whiplash :oops:... this will likely be my laziest day this game :yawn: (unless Reundo stops posting in the way he is doing - then we can enjoy some meaty interactions)
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Post Post #2183 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:57 am

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My gameplan is to continue to let Reundo catch up and post lots of words
Then pick a lynch with Nauci/Eragon
Is it bad that my scummiest read in this moment is Tor :lol:
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Post Post #2184 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:29 am

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In post 1359, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Eragon

Probably gonna stay here for the rest of D2.

Dunnstral vs Eragon wagons competing makes most sense in my reads universe. Not going to give any town-scum, scum-scum association theory until we see a flip.
Keyser what was this post about
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Post Post #2185 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:03 am

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Originally I was scum reading Eragon for trying to chainlink me all day with his ‘scum partner’ (but I didn’t want to express my scum-scum theory before a flip). Dunn vs Eragon wagons was the best flip to unravel my reads too.

Dunnstral then flips scum...

But after my chat with Nauci and during the nightphase something weird happened: I realised Eragon was town. I thought Dunn’s scum flip would strengthen my scum-scum Dunn-Eragon theory but it actually did the opposite. Suddenly Eragon’s whole D2 push on me felt legit (from a townie).
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Post Post #2186 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:11 am

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In post 1356, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1349, Keyser Söze wrote:I need advice from a neutral party:

Does this look like confirmation bias? Or someone suspiciously chaining misslynches / linking a townie-to-scum?
@Irrelphant11 - what does it look like to you?

You are a good person to ask as you scum read me in our last game.
This is where I needed a neutral view... I can remember you picking apart everything I wrote in our last game, so wanted to see if you saw some of yourself in eragon’s tunnel of me...

Your reply made me more hesitant and reflective RE: Eragon.
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Post Post #2187 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:13 am

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Then after chat with nauci it was pushing me nearer ‘Eragon is town’, ‘Dunnstral is scum’
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Post Post #2188 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:45 am

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I wonder if tw and nsg are shouting at us from the dead thread
who else was in this game? :giggle:

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I had some game thoughts above but I removed them because I think the lynchpool needs to share everything they're gonna share before I go into detail...
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Post Post #2189 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:46 am

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Keyser if you're the watcher I feel confident saying you should claim as soon as Reundo has cased Tor
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Post Post #2190 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:09 am

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I think this game is all in Reundo’s hands to win or lose (no pressure Reundo!)


Will start looking at Nauci tonight (weekend was mad)
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Post Post #2191 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:55 am

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I'm trying my best to pay attention to reundo's case against keyser, but almost nothing reundo points as scummy of keyser are things I find scummy and it just seems like reundo is picking on small details on keyser's ISO that can be pushed, instead of trying to determine if keyser is really scum. I'm not saying Reundo is definitely scum, but I don't think his case on Keyser is genuine scumhunting.
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Post Post #2192 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:52 pm

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In post 2183, Irrelephant11 wrote:My gameplan is to continue to let Reundo catch up and post lots of words
Then pick a lynch with Nauci/Eragon
Is it bad that my scummiest read in this moment is Tor :lol:
I agree with letting reundo post
I agree with picking a Lynch with my bros
I disagree the scummiest person is tor, but I dont disagree he can't be scum( I need to re-evaluate)
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Post Post #2193 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:57 pm

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In post 2179, Nauci wrote:
In post 2177, Eragon wrote:This is from reundo:


"This complete 180 on me doesn't make any sense at all, and I feel the only reason he's completely changing his read on me is that it's clear I'm a viable mislynch target and that scum-reading me is the new cool and popular opinion to have. This constant flip-flopping of me being town or scum makes absolutely no sense from town, and neither does his constant flip-flopping of his read on Dunnstral."

what about my flip flops on Keyser?
are those wolfy?
I bring this up because I thought Keyser sounded odd, was told that that was just him, close to locktowned him, and then scumread him heavily, and now(yesterday) TR him
I want Reundo to answer in his own words, but I found your read changes narrated with posts that showed your thought processes, while Keyser and TW's did not
ye, I see this, I just wanted to hear why reundo thought this, or if he just ignored what I did because he thinks im not a viable push.

In post 2178, Eragon wrote:also, I find it funny.

Reundo says
"I think Keyser is the scummiest person here, so ill do his ISO first"
>spends forever working on Keyser's ISO.
"Oh Keyser is super scummy how hasn't he been lynched yet"
>does nothing else except just make that single gigantic case on his already-confident scumread
If there's only 1 scum left in the game, and one have one confident scum read, what if it's actually just on scum?

I mean personally, I still think the scummiest player all game has been Keyser for all sorts of psychological reads. I'd say there's a chance it's reundo or toranaga (that thought struck me at like 3 AM last night but I don't have time to re-evaluate for a while), but that it's rather slim.

Keyser, did you still feel that you'd be okay with being lynched so long as reundo was lynched after, like you offered yesteray?

Side note, I wish I had a dollar for every time scum sacrificially offered to be in a lynch-chain. I could buy a foot long sub.
I mean yea, but to me it just felt like, Reundo didnt even TRY to think about Keyser, and that wasn't even my main point.
My main point was that Reundo already had Keyser as their strongest SR, and everyone knew it(well, duh), and they just spent hours(im assuming based on the word dump) ISO diving Keyser just to prove to themselves even more that they think Keyser is scum?
ya hear me?
I can go both ways on Keyser, overall a couple of his posts ping me but their not huge scum tells IMO.
I think I just got biased d2 with conf! bias and both of us SR'ing each other, and I looked for anything to be construed as scummy in the posts I quoted.
I probably need to go re-evalute him too without bias.
lol @the Lynch-chain stuff :3
tbf I have seen town do it, but I do kinda agree?
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Post Post #2194 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:59 pm

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In post 2181, Keyser Söze wrote:[I've got 9 days to re-read 4 players though... because if Reundo is town here, this is the last day I'm being town read by you guys :giggle: Even I can admit that]
tbh, if you are town, and you can solve between(or at least give your opinion on) tora/Reundo, I think we are doing pretty good.

Irrelephant obv town.
im me.
I feel Nauci has obv. towned, and they played a very damn good game if they are scum(yes, they same can be said for others, but im babbling)

so IMO its between you(Keyser), tora, and Reundo
leaning in this order
Reundo > Keyser > tora
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Post Post #2195 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:06 pm

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In post 2188, Irrelephant11 wrote:I wonder if tw and nsg are shouting at us from the dead thread
who else was in this game? :giggle:

[redacted]
I had some game thoughts above but I removed them because I think the lynchpool needs to share everything they're gonna share before I go into detail...
poor ducky ;_;
may he rest with pieces of bread.
In post 2189, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser if you're the watcher I feel confident saying you should claim as soon as Reundo has cased Tor
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In post 2190, Keyser Söze wrote:I think this game is all in Reundo’s hands to win or lose (no pressure Reundo!)


Will start looking at Nauci tonight (weekend was mad)
why reundo over anyone else?
In post 2191, Toranaga wrote:I'm trying my best to pay attention to reundo's case against keyser, but almost nothing reundo points as scummy of keyser are things I find scummy and it just seems like reundo is picking on small details on keyser's ISO that can be pushed, instead of trying to determine if keyser is really scum. I'm not saying Reundo is definitely scum, but I don't think his case on Keyser is genuine scumhunting.
I see this too
(on top of the fact I read 2-3 posts of the case then get bored)
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Post Post #2196 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:00 pm

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oh yeah btw, irrelephant's idea on keyser claiming is absolutely awful
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Post Post #2197 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:01 pm

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it's not scummy, it's just

no
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Post Post #2198 (ISO) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:30 pm

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Agree there for sure
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Post Post #2199 (ISO) » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:18 am

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oh okay
In my head Keyser/Reundo are the two most likely lynches for the day? And we already know if Reundo is watcher or not
This way we would know 100% which to lynch, or if Tora needs to be more seriously considered by eragon/nauci/keyser..?
I actually still don't see why I'm wrong, but usually in this situation it helps to shut up, so I will
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