Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

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NSG is my mason buddy

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its bad that you dont townread me

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im gonna fuck u all up losers

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you're all bad at mafia and should feel bad

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im gonna fuck u all up losers

As scum or town?

i'm scum

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is RC grumpy cause he is scum?

pedit: ok

fuck

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*strokes beard*

i love a lady with a nice, full-length beard

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cheeky isn't voting me

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only town would have not posted by then though

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i hope one of those 'both' is me

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as i recall statistically i have bussed you and carried the game 100% of the time we were svs

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oh yeah i mixed you up with michael22

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does that offend you

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oh yeah i mixed you up with michael22

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michael22omega?

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stop doing that tw

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not having me as locktown

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elsa jay believing my mason claim is scummy

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why not?

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if i really were masons with NSG there's very little crumbing i would have to do outside of 'if you lynch NSG you are fucking gamethrowing idiots'

you scumreading elsa here is not a good look at all.

VOTE: Toranaga

sure feels TMI

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it says a lot more about your alignment than it does elsa's.

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it says that you have access to information that I don't because I don't believe that you could credibly come in with these viewpoints at this stage in the game.
it does not say whether you're scumdefending your buddy or whether you're white knighting elsa for towncred.

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I feel like fact that he believed my mason claim shows that he didn't do any critical thinking about the claim which leans towards but doesn't confirm scum.

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like I think the tone deafness and lack of thinking about the manner of the claim heavily leans towards scum because it shows he didn't really think about it in a sorting me sense
is it, like, impossible that he's town who didn't? no. it's not a strong read. but to outright townread Elsa's play so far is, in my view, implausible. Elsa plays like this as scum too.
I think Town!Toranaga might have the view that the scumreads on him are bad but to outright townread him for something that even by his logic is at worst NAI is... eh.
seems like a think Scum!Toranaga would do to look like he's coming in the game with innovative reads though.

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it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

but why would you be almost sure of this? why would elsa jay -not- do this as scum? because i'm fairly sure even he would say this is p much exactly what his scum game would look like

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i was mostly announcing my intent to sheep NSG if I end up townreading her.

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anyway see you later.

ultra mega dayvig: reasonably rational

drixx scares me sry you have to go

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Mala is my top townread aorn

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We have literally never played a game before

however

we have talked and I know for a fact that they know a decent amount about my game in general

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I'm really sad you rolled scum again Tor :/

It's okay at least you have me

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do you have anything coming up that will prevent you from being useful in this game over the next few days NSG?

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I can read you a lot better than you can read me

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NSG's 3 posts so far are already heavily scum indicative.

I can't say that I"m happy about this.

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idk my selective memory allows me to remember twin trap

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oh im sorry

i didn't realize that you weren't responsible for your reads when ur hydra partner townread me and you fought her to death to get her to scumread me

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if you're talking this year the fact that i'm actually posting in the game should confirm me as town.

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i can claim a scumread on you if you like

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why are elsa jay scumreads fun but mine are not?

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why are elsa jay scumreads fun but mine are not?

because you can be an abrasive jerk sometimes and you know that's a turn off for me.

If everyone plays nice with me this game I'll play nice in return.

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why are elsa jay scumreads fun but mine are not?

because you can be an abrasive jerk sometimes and you know that's a turn off for me.

If everyone plays nice with me this game I'll play nice in return.

What if I don't want you to

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Cheeky can you link me the AtE stuff that you're talking about from Toranaga?

Would be much halp ty

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You said that he AtEd you in a past game and you didn't think he would do that
I want to see that game

also thank fuck that you finally rolled town

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I'll find it so that we don't do anything we don't want to do.

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I kinda think Elsa is scum too now lel

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<3<3<3

if NSG is scum I can sheep you instead

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yea it was

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me and cheekyteeky is the real masonry

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me and cheekyteeky is the real masonry

i thought we were a masonry

do you want to be my mason buddy?

I thought I was an abrasive jerk

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VOTE: NSG

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ok

UNVOTE:

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anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

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NSG you gotta tell me who to vote pls.

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that I haven't derptunneled anyone?

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VOTE: Flicker

I still think elsa is scum btw.

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what reaction?

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this is what my reaction looks like when I don't think I'm at threat of being mislynched.

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i agree with everything nsg has said this game outside of the sense that i was planning to sheep her anyway

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i am scumreading tw

your play is great NSG

i'm gonna cheerlead the shit out of you this game

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this is what my reaction looks like when I don't think I'm at threat of being mislynched.

Bullshit.

push on me then.

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Are you saying that you're fine with me being potentially scum as long as I just attach my vote to NSG?

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Are you saying that you're fine with me being potentially scum as long as I just attach my vote to NSG?

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I don't understand what reasons means, so.

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Do you actually think that I'm scum here?

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you can't mislynch me this game.

if drixx wants to tunnel me your slot will die.

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it's a warning that I'll return the favor if drixx pushes on me.

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Pls respond to me cheeky

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Pls respond to me cheeky

I'll respond to anything except how I feel about you.

If I let you and NSG corral my votes will you leave your scumread on me alone?

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That's an 100% serious offer cheeky

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VOTE: Toranaga

Come on it's a good deal cheeky and you know it

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i'm gonna not have scumreads and instead just poe 9 town on d1.

i have 4 so far, maybe 5.

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were you aware that elsa has an 100% scum winrate thus far and has been called genuine as scum in all of them?

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i'm being nice because i'm scum clearly

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I think this might be what Bujaber scum looks like c:

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I wish I was someone people could trust.

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Talk me through your Bujaber townread?

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I think elsajay jsut assuming there is multiball was extremely scummy

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besides for that I haven't seen anything that specifically gives me multiball vibes and I don't know the flavor well enough to make a jab at it.

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Talk me through your Bujaber townread?

I'm leaning town on him taking some pretty hard stances early.

not sure this makes him town?

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NSG is town btw

is there a reason she's so low for you

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yeah there's a lot of questionable placements on that list

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not necessarily like scum questionable more wtf questionable

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Does my read on NSG not change anything there? O.o

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fair enough.

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well I'm more enthusiastic about this than flicker so

VOTE: Elsa Jay

you can have my vote for now

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VOTE: Bujaber

I'm gonna at least follow up on this I think

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Ok ok

VOTE: RR

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you seem way, way, way too enthusiastic about this game to be scum.

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I already feel like this has been a great game

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I have a closet theory that you/Tor are svs but I won't be around long enough to follow up on it.

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Doubting my bujaber scumread now

gonna give NSG my vote since Cheeky has enough votes there

VOTE: Flicker

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You can't have things both ways wrt asking me to play nice then scumreading me for it.

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VOTE: fork

Big guy rolled scum this game

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Thor

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Hey so

Now that at best the Tor read has been proved wrong

I think that's really worth following up again.

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I think {Thor, Toranaga, Elsa Jay} is a solid starting block

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Because Tor's read on you felt like utter bullshit.
Now that it's proven to have been utter bullshit (at best even if you're telling the truth 3p isn't town) we can have a serious conversation about it without either town or scum Tor taking the out of blaming past drama for my current problem.

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Also HCUFO in my experience is a 'policy Lynch all 3p claims' kind of guy.

He tried to policy Lynch me as survive

Wait I need to verify this is actually him one sec

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Tor, Thor, RR locktown. Elsa conf neutral.

VOTE: NicoRobin

I disagree with every single one of those locktowns

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Cheeky are you just scumreading me and doing the opposite of what my reads dictate?

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Alright fuck this game.

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Bro Thor is not obvtown in relation to the claim

RR fine I'm not like really scumreading them but I think locktowning them is dumb af.

Toranaga like whatever I don't trust your read there but fine I'll give it was rest.

But Thor has massive scum equity here

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Just gut and a bunch of phrasings that point to him being scum

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Elsa was also not!town bc phrasings and gut and that was right.

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I think my scumread on him is better than anything you townread him for.

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NSG is town

TW is null

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Dw mala you've already obvtownes

Post when you can

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Ignore the bad players

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Are u voting kalamkttens

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hi a bad player

im dad

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I scumread him but I'm not sure if he's scum or if I just don't like him voting me.

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I'm pretty sure Elsa is scum claiming 3p
Pretty sure Thor are buddy
Think Toranaga also buddy but he could just be bad

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I'm so, so, so sorry ruru.

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So let's assume the mball spec is genuine

Thor/Elsa on one team
Maybe Flicker on the other? Tor could even be opposition trying to pocket him by calling him town to avoid getting crosskilled.

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That's been my major basis for Tor scum ftr

Feel like he saw Elsa claim multiball and assumed they were his opposition and tried to hard seem pocketed to avoid crosskill

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If Drixx stays at 2 posts I'm happy to Lynch RR.

He's the head I can read.

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Actually let's readslist

Mala: towny but not locktown
Cheeky: locktown unless mssybe scum with Tor
NSG: locktown
Bujaber: locktown and stupid
RC: cute
RR: not gonna read cerb when I can 100% read Drixx. Lynch if Drixx doesn't post, both heads know he's the weaker scum player.
Elsa: probably scum doctor, likely with Thor
Thor: probably scum with Elsa
Toranaga: scummy but not the scummiest
Flicker: has some real wolfy shit but feels not wolf with thorelsa
NicoRobin: at least a few percentage points more town than not
TW: at least a few % points more scum than not

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VOTE: Chickadee

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@RC - Back to reading and more thoughts incoming. #756 is gross but I'm giving you a pass for the moment simply because we haven't played together since I moved last year (I don't think?) and I doubt you actually know you are basically saying "If Drixx doesn't take time away from caring for his elderly father who is about to have major and risky back surgery and is also showing signs of Alzheimer's OR from his newly started job and be super active, then I'm going to assume he's scum."

Best thing I can says is just check the Drixx account and the recently finished BS game. I had a pretty ugly time crunch early and you probably would have pushed to lynch me based upon what you're saying in #756.

I'm doing my best to avoid that in this game. So speaking of that ... going to try and get 100% current by mid day. I'll check the current thread state occasionally but otherwise see you all on the other side of reading a bunch of posts.

~D

I haven't given you any sort of invasive timeline
Just that if you not posting is a long term thing it's a problem

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VOTE: Toranaga

Elsa read is fucking obviously TMI of some sort
Approaches all game have been scummy
Don't like Cheekys 180 there.

I voted Deedles because I wanted to see how she'd react before I decided what else to do.

If y'all want to try to lynch me D1 be my guest but Tor has to instadie tomorrow because, as I said, bloody obvscum

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Also as I pointed out Toranaga the last time he played with a survivor was insistient that the proper approach to survivor was to PL them because you can't trust anyone without a town role PM. His approach in this game is to just straight up buy a strange and sketchy 3pdoc claim and insist that it's town and chainsaw anyone who pushes it. His read on Elsa doesn't make any sense coming from town him in terms of his insistence that they're 'genuine' as a way to handwave all the sketchy shit about him and he decided to completely in one ear and out the other the fact that Elsa is known for being genuine as town.

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Also having played against Tor who suspects that I'm scum before this is not how he talks to me. A lot less bravado personally directed at me. He's making a show for all your stupid asses.

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and thor hasn't been scummy. thor has been thor. he can be scum, he can be town, who knows, right? it's thor, he makes himself hard to read and is one of the only players with MS with a reasonably balanced meta. so that scumread is poop too.

and, yeah. no wanting here, I think RC is scum. I think d2 is wonderful without him regardless but the horrible pushes and nonsensical associative reads are par with RC's scum game.

Like what is he actually saying here?

-Thor is impossible to read therefore your scumread there is poop
-The horrible pushes and nonsensical associatives reads are "on par' with RC's scum game" as opposed to being from it

Like I realize at least 2 of the hop ons are scum but
The idea that any town is voting me I give the side eye to.

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Also congrats I was only not voting you because I didn't want to start shit but when you express the sentiment that you want to lynch me regardless of alignment the kid gloves are off instantly.

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That's been my major basis for Tor scum ftr

Feel like he saw Elsa claim multiball and assumed they were his opposition and tried to hard seem pocketed to avoid crosskill

This makes sense for both scum!Elsa and neutral!Elsa so why are you scumreading him? Talk me through how scum!Elsa endgames here with a day 1 claim of neutral doc.

Unless you think we'll fail to catch all other scum before we get around to lynching Elsa.

I don't believe that A50 adds a neutral doctor to the setup and I don't believe that it happens to go to the player with a survivor fetish. I do believe that town or scum doc Elsa claims the way he did and I think that according to his play he's scum rather than town. Like the odds of Elsa actually happening to roll the survivor role are abysmal but the odds of him faking as 3p are surprisingly high!

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#114 is an expression of my respect for a player who has consistently performed well in games with me recently.

Can we wagon Tora? I have a good reason.

~D

Be my guest be my guest put my wagon to the test

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I don't think Elsa claiming 3p inherently says anything besides that Elsa likes claiming 3p as not 3p.

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We're not lynching you we are lynching Toranaga

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I don't think Elsa claiming 3p inherently says anything besides that Elsa likes claiming 3p as not 3p.

I have NEVER claimed Survivor in the past, only played like one. Big difference.

Pedit: so your sayingvthe current optimal play in your eyes is... To lynch one of the dudes voting to keep me alive?

If you don't vote Toranaga and he flips scum we assume you're his buddy and powerlynch him so, yeah.

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Elsa you're not 3p and there is no reason why a 3p would know it's multiball. If you're town and know something we don't that is fine but you're not doing yourself any favors claiming as 3p regardless of alignment

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I have my reasons and you don't need to hear them.

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Death to crag hack!

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'proscum behavior' as opposed to scummy
'functioning' towny RC brain.

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Also I have exactly 1 replace out as scum in recent history as opposed to a bunch as town so Tor knows better than to reference me replacing out as a scumtell, so he is actually effectively saying to PL me knowing I'm town.

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Okay
But you aren't calling me scum you're accusing me of acting proscum.
Very different, and a lot of your specific phrasings plus the replace out thing make me think that you know I'm town here, yeah?

Oof Tor
So why did you join this game then?

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Purposefully annoying you? I outright didn't vote you as my top scumread to try to keep the peace. I'm voting you now because you established that you have no intention of being civil. And the idea that I'm intentionally harassing you out of games when I avoid playing with you is rather silly. But I understand that you need big gun AtE to defend yourself here so I forgive you maybe.

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I think you're scum

I tried my very best to not engage with you this game in any meaningful way but here we are. yes I shouldn't have joined the game. A50 asked me to and I think he is awesome so I did. big mistake.

"We should Lynch him it's a good flip even if he's town"
"I tried my very best to not.engahw with you this game"

Sure, sure. Sorry I was getting too close to the scumteam?

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You don't win this 1v1 Tor

If you're town and that upsets you you should replace out

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Like the idea that you're allowed to try to policy Lynch me and that I'm aids to games to voting you for it shows an astonishing lack of self awareness which surprises me not at all given the other stuff that I've heard about you.

But if this is how you feel you should leave.

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Then why do you keep joining my games?

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Like after twin trap i was like yeah I'm pretty good never playing with this fuck head again and yet you keep winding up in games with me pulling the same tired shit and blaming me for 1v1s you instigate

You being scum here doesn't make this okay like at some point you need to just live and let live.

If I bring it up you will be permabanned from mafiascum and I don't want to be the reason that happens.

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I don't come close to believing that with the way that you've interacted with people on mafiascum.

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Why the fuck would I care

I'm conftown you're trying to policy Lynch me you can replace out or die.

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You started shit with me and blamed me for it in at the very least this game and twin trap so... I don't care for your effort to claim any sort of moral high ground. I just want to not deal with you. You insist on following me into games I'm in, starting shit, then blaming me for it because obviously I should be townreading you right?

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Also that survivor game? Another example of you trying to ruin a game for me. It just doesn't stop you coming in being an asshole with no self awareness about it and you complain that your experiences with me are bad when you go out of.your way to make them such?

Like you said that you thought I hated you after twin trap because I 'tunnled you' in some way when it really was just a reaction to the shit you did. You still lost the game for us. What am I supposed to do?

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you put me on L-1 on twin trap IIRC. on page 2 or something. I was annoyed with it. I didn't play that game well anyway.

how's your history of reading me since, hmmm?

We have
0
completed games since then you realize besides for the MU turbo?

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If you're expecting me to answer for ongoing games then I am unable to do so while they're ongoing but I believe presence or absence in a game is discussable (the extent to which I have discussed ongoing games) and as I recall I have not once joined a game after you did.

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Tor you being in game and calling me scum is a sufficient condition to lynch you and given that you've shown no signs of learning from your shitty pushed on me in survivor / twin trap i got the impression that you were policy voting me because good scum and chose to avoid you. Despite that effort to avoid you you continue to pop into my games and policy scumread me and then get mad at me for lynching you for policy scumreading me. Like I did in survivor game. Like I tried to do in twin trap before cheeky resolved things, and your dumb ass STILL told her you had a guilty level scumread on her.

The best you can argue is the situation is mutual but you 100% started it and continue to start it.

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I am upset.

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Like the fact that I'm better at lynching you than you are at policy lynching me isn't a personal problem with me like you claim

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You have such a god awful outlook on our interactions. You force a fight with me then get mad at me for mislynching town?you when you know full well that I don't like being scumread then despite you having forced the shit engagement I should be policy lunched for having lynched you?

Like if you were the one winning these 1v1s do you think that you would stop trying to 1v1 me? Fuck no you would force a 1v1 with me every fucking game because that's how you deal with people too good to read. I'm not like that, I am tired of fighting you and just want the situation to go away but you don't stop following me around and creating this situation again and again and blaming me for it. Do you think that when a fucking survivor gets town to mislynch you you might want to change how you approach the game?

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I hereby say my vote isn't moving away from RC, and the only other option you guys can choose is, regrettably, my ally Tora.

This shit is ridiculous.

Obviously the two slots arent together if this is what they did. So yeah, getting rid of one helps town, mechanically or just emotionally.

Also you've spent this entire game calling this obvscum sack of shit town

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You scumread me every game

Your reasons change the fact that your flowchart to reading me involves me being scum in every outcome does not.

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RC you're not making sense. This shit is so disingenuous. Chick vote was wolfy af btw.

I am makinn complete sense
You're just taking a side.

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I didn't call you a sack of shit I called Elsa one but I approve of that decision.

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Because they're scum it's nothing personal

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Tor stop engaging him, I don't want another 2 pages of this shit.

Pedit oh wtf don't leave!!

You know he does this every game

Is policy lynching me to keep him around really the option that you want to go for here?

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??? it's obvious contextually that I had nothing against you.
If I called you a scummy son of a bitch you wouldn't take it personally.
I just wasn't watching my words like I was wrt Toranaga

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replace me instead

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And fuck you if you think I'd do this as scum cheeky

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wow

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thor/elsa jay were aligned (both 3p)
all of my townreads were town, all of my scumreads were scum

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they were the same alignment (3p)