Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Elsa Jay]

NSG is my Scum buddy

Fixed that for you.

[Elsa Jay]

Is there such a thing as amnesiac on Forum Mafia?

Or is that a hint to being a universal backup?

[Elsa Jay]

Well I tried.

Anyway, voting up a dude who claimed to be in a Masonry?

Now admittedly, because this is (probably) Multiball he COULD theoretically be scum. But voting him?

VOTE: Malakittens

Obviously you COULD be joking, but this seems like a decent start.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm dramatic by default, I assure you. But I'm also trying to solve the game as well.

Usually 5 months ago I did jackshit the first 10 or so pages. Changing up the formula and all that.

[Elsa Jay]

Why not be serious yet dramatic, Mala?

Gotta help town now so you all actually listen to my advice later, ya know.

Care to share your reads then so far?

[Elsa Jay]

Eck. Tfw you go townie so much that someone wants to vote you anyway.

Cheeky, legit, talk to me here. Why go for me here?

[Elsa Jay]

Now 2 people have decided to vote a Mason claim.

I appear to have been put into a ship of crazy people.

Must Update my Captain's log.

[Elsa Jay]

Why would I not beleive it unless North denied it?

I'm trying too get my leads here, RC. If a Mason feels like claiming, no reason to not believe yet.

[Elsa Jay]

Captain's Log: Entry 1

Occupant RadiantCowbells seems to have decided too throw any good will i had with their Mason claim by calling me scummy.

Occupant is also causing a ruckus with my assumed ally,Toranaga.

Cautionary measures may have to be taken. We may have to gag and tie then up.

[Elsa Jay]

Calling me new doesnt help the situation, Tora.

I kinda know them from my time as Jaydragonking/Bambietta, so I decided to be friendly since they helped and talked to me before.

I literally had no reason to disbelieve your claim, RC. Just thought you were getting any protective roles on either you or North real quick in a Multiball game.

[Elsa Jay]

in a Multiball game

Has it been confirmed that this is a multiball?

Not yet, but considering the Mod had in the rules that there are multiple killing mechanics, we're 95% sure. We Even talked about it in the sign up thread.

[Elsa Jay]

My presence has already divided this crew asunder.

Yet they decide to go for Tora instead of me.

Humans are strange creatures.

P-edit: I played a different meta, with different circumstances, and NOBODY ever claimed d1 besides weird shit like jester (Not_Mafia) or generally trolling. You didnt make it obvious it was a troll.

Ive been playing in Open/Semi-Open setups, as well as Micro games. Very different from this. My few Normal games attest that I need to learn more about stuff like this.

Calling it scummy is just weird as heck though.

PP-Edit: not in any real capacity. He replaced a Mod in one of my games and may have been in a hyrda? Don't remember.

[Elsa Jay]

My last experience with Masons was in the aptly named "Monks and Masons", where I was a Mason Werewolf. Which I won solo as.

Clearly my experience with this class isn't the best.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Currently shutting up and gomna take a shower.

Jeez, what the heck is even happening.

[Elsa Jay]

Isn't Reavers from Mass Effect?

He picked the wrong Sci-fi series.

Also, my attempt at getting out of the early stages clearly gave us SOMETHING. Now what people make of it is up to them.

[Elsa Jay]

I did that vote because of the Masonry shenanigans. Clearly that no longer applies. Looking through the info again.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh I knew it was a joke. I just wanted too know if this Universe had Reavers too.

[Elsa Jay]

But I played nice and was subsequently bashed for being nice and believing your Mason claim

[Elsa Jay]

Hes using a program. You actually gotta use the "Vote" thingy. Not just bold it

[Elsa Jay]

TheWorst - do you know Flicker from outside this game?

Quoting this since id like to also know and so it's not at the bottom of a page.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if he's been here for 15 years, I

think

he'd know that.

He just doesn't use it.

[Elsa Jay]

Tfw we're all now just having our own conversations in tandem.

Whoever hasn't appeared yet is gonna have a nightmare reading this.

[Elsa Jay]

I kinda think Elsa is scum too now lel

Well as long as I have about a week to convince you otherwise, I think we're fine.

[Elsa Jay]

Perhaps they're a Masonry.

[Elsa Jay]

Perhaps they're a Masonry.

I lol'd at this. *note to self: do not be fooled by Elsa's charm*

Well maybe not Elsa, but perhaps Jay can convince you otherwise?

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: NSG

Finally, a united front.

[Elsa Jay]

Because the last game I played that I remember, we were scum buddies. Perhaps getting a LEGITIMATE claim
will give us shit to do.

But now RC unvoted and this is stupid now.

Jay is hungry.

Jay going to make a sandwich.

[Elsa Jay]

While most of you think of who your gonna murder, I'm off to bed.

Hopefully some of the other people finally show up.

Oh yeah

UNVOTE:

Because why not.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Rational No reason not to follow the wagon.

he's funny and entertaining and I want to lynch him but I can't explain why, and I also don't want to lynch him and can't explain why. such fun.

I like this attitude because it means I'll have to worry about it for later and not now.

I think elsajay jsut assuming there is multiball was extremely scummy

1: this was also in the sign-up thread, in which we guessed already that it was Multiball.

2: I feel as my role (and attributes) inheritantly leans itself toward Multiball.

[Elsa Jay]

Well for now, I'm paranoid for everyone and against everyone.

Letting others lead the town for now while I decide what I need to do during the Night phase.

[Elsa Jay]

A dude named Rational is at 5 votes I think?

No hammer powet yet.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

Thus far, I think every wagon has been flimsy. It's typical day 1 stuff, "thinking is hard, let's kill something and get on to night 1 so I can use my powahz."

I concur that is my thought process.

Maybe you don't have any amazing powers so you want to extend it, but in Multiball, I feel this is the best option anyway. Getting a claim, at least.

We have to look out for anything you know. Even Scum 1 v Scum 2.

[Elsa Jay]

Captain's Log: Entry 3

The crew seems to have stabilized and is going for the one known as Reasonably Rational. I can understand the caution. After all, He has two heads. Most humans would be creeped out by that, me included.

I'm worried about the multiple factions currently among us, but I believe the best people will come out on top.

Now as long as they don't try and Mutiny, we'll be fine!

[Elsa Jay]

well keep me alive and I'll entertain you until the end of time.

[Elsa Jay]

apparently nobody likes to use the vote tag to vote.

compared too all the votes, he SHOULD be at L-3 or something.

[Elsa Jay]

For the record, I felt the over analysis of the Masonry claim felt forced, which is what gives me the scum vibe from your slot. Was getting that try hard mentality from your slot.

Actually, there's a thread to pull here, just not solely about myself.

Do you think scum are more likely to try hard than town, or is this perspective limited to just my slot? What's the basis for this position either way? What's the difference between town analysis and scum tryharding? "Felt forced" is far too vague.

-Cerb

I feel like I should get your opinion on me in general, not just me deciding to be naive and believe the Masonry claim. What other things about me has pinged you?

P-Edit: well, my votes are definitely weird. I plead guilty on that front.

[Elsa Jay]

aren't you usually supposed to give reasons why you vote?

when I don't have one, I do a one-liner.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: NSG

Finally, a united front.

something like that, or my vote on you.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: NSG

Finally, a united front.

something like that, or my vote on you.

Okay, so your default reason given for jumping on wagons, if you don't have a reason of your own, is to express a desire for solidarity and/or just say you're sheeping the wagon?

-Cerb

I'm trying to be Neutral here and follow the Majority. very simple. No need for a deep Psycho-analysis of it.

I also like to say weird shit.

[Elsa Jay]

Not this whole game, Cerb. just until I find the right allies to stick with. right now since Tora is nice Imma be on his side.

since you all might feel it later, I claim Neutral Doctor. apparently with all the kill mechanics I was necessary.

P-Edit: well I might be losing a friend soon. soooo.....

Who wants heals?

[Elsa Jay]

Just living until the end. Nothing too special.

Oh, and I can't be roleblocked, so there MAY be a roleblocker. Just satin.

[Elsa Jay]

3rd party doctor.

So yeah, very sure it's Multiball.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm not pigeonholed too "town", just the "Majority".

Big difference.

[Elsa Jay]

I would have also have said most of that shit even if I didnt get a Neutral role, so...

[Elsa Jay]

Whatever the majority desires, dude.

Nothing personal. Unless your trying to hang me, of course.

Speaking of Majority...

ALL PEOPLE MAY BOLD WHO THEY WANT TO BE HEALED. THE ONE WITH THE MOST GETS MY HEAL.

[Elsa Jay]

You missed a bunch of stuff, my dude.

[Elsa Jay]

Whatever the majority desires, dude.

Nothing personal. Unless your trying to hang me, of course.

Speaking of Majority...

ALL PEOPLE MAY BOLD WHO THEY WANT TO BE HEALED. THE ONE WITH THE MOST GETS MY HEAL.

...

Do you think this is likely to make your role effective in preventing kills?

-Cerb

Considering I can't be roleblocked, yes indeed.

I'm basically giving people the ability to vote someone they WANT to be in the next day garunteed.

Killing a Neutral claim this early seems stupid for other scum, and if they know who I'm healing but attack anyway, they really didnt feel like killing anyway.

Look at it as me making them night-immune based on a majority decision.

[Elsa Jay]

Well yes it is.

I'm selling my services to live and win.

It's apart of my wincon.

[Elsa Jay]

TW, you realize I'm claiming NEUTRAL DOCTOR and not town, right?

[Elsa Jay]

So your first response in a game with multiple killing mechanics is too... Kill a Doctor?

[Elsa Jay]

Well then I'll pray the town takes out any SK with such a wincon for me while I help where I can with my heal and my vote.

Thor, do something about Worst. They going full crazy.

Pedit: Cerb, like I said, I'm doing what I can for the group and atm, that should be enough, because they feel lije finding people who they cant win with.

And making someone who "town" wants alive isn't helping town wincon, even if they're a PR?

[Elsa Jay]

... Okay.

This is probably why I shouldn't have been dropping hints and claiming this early.

RC come on bro, why are you so focused on Tora and me?

[Elsa Jay]

Who the frick is that and what is that username?

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa's REALLY HAMMY OBVIOUS CLAIM doesn't vibe as agendaey as I'd actually expect from him as a neutral survivor. if anything the way he's spun it and then crumbled the second Tora mentioned it feels more like groupscum who wants a reason to be like "lol ó hey I'm still alive" later in the game >:/

My entire gimmick when I was Jaydragonking was that I played like a Survivor as a VT. I held more investment when I was alive and all that.

But now I learned that my death isn't the biggest deal and I can accept death for the greater good...

Except now. Cuz surviving is literally my goal atm. Its fate.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Let me know when you all feel like voting someone scummy.

Oh, and NOBODY put anyone at L-1 unless I'm already voting them. Don't want to leave the easy Neut follower too quickhammer and all that.

Will go and think about my current process and see if I see scum. Yes, that probably means a readlist.

[Elsa Jay]

I'll just claim this page bottom so you all don't have too.

[Elsa Jay]

If you all dont want me to be public, fine then. None of you voted for heals anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

...

*sigh*

Alrighty then. Atleast I know who doesnt want a heal in the future.

May I also point out that in your own ISO, a third is about flavor bullshit and the Reaver thing, another third is you trying to vote RR, and the other third keeps involving you bringing up the Masonry shit.

Actually, your last post suggested you'd go for Tora and RC in that situation since, while I started it, they were the main contributors there.

Also, literally bringing up the "He's not one of us" mentality as your first real contribution to the game? Easiest way to seem townie.

Actually, fuck it, I just convinced myself your scum.

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Elsa Jay]

What reason is there to douvt me for now?

I helped by making sure you all know its Multiball at least, since I exist. I'm also claiming d1 instead of a late claim that would be less believable day e or day 4.

[Elsa Jay]

@Elsa

- Are you a lone Neutral Doctor, or do you by any chance have a Neutral Psychic/Assassin friend(/sister)?

Well I have no idea of this is a reference to the show, but that's a big no.

I have no idea if there's even other Neutrals here.

[Elsa Jay]

-Snip-

My entire gimmick when I was Jaydragonking was that I played like a Survivor as a VT. I held more investment when I was alive and all that.

But now I learned that my death isn't the biggest deal and I can accept death for the greater good...

Except now. Cuz surviving is literally my goal atm. Its fate.

[Elsa Jay]

Even asked Almost if he was trolling when he did that. He said pure RBG, obviously.

Anyway, welcome back to the game, North. Opinion on why Toogeloo decides to go for a Doc claim anyway because of the kill mechanics?

[Elsa Jay]

You'd think calling me scum doctor with Thor would make you vote me or Thor.

Worst and Toogeloo mindsets being similar are bad, but getting someone who's literally claimed scum page 4 seems like a better idea.

Scum of varying degrees: {RadiantCowbells, Toogeloo, the Worst}

My current town picks: {CheekyTeeky, Thor, Toranaga}

Everyone else to be sorted later.

VOTE: Radiant

[Elsa Jay]

Well, considering my objective is just to live until the end, I thought having those captain logs would be fun to do as long as I'm alive.

Usually when the Captain dies shit also hits the fan, so....

[Elsa Jay]

[Elsa Jay]

I claimed earlier then later so I have more time to defend myself and prove my worth.

Clearly I'm getting scumread, but confirming Multiball and trying to figure shit out is all I can do to convince you all not to murder me.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't think Elsa claiming 3p inherently says anything besides that Elsa likes claiming 3p as not 3p.

I have NEVER claimed Survivor in the past, only played like one. Big difference.

Pedit: so your sayingvthe current optimal play in your eyes is... To lynch one of the dudes voting to keep me alive?

[Elsa Jay]

This is getting more personal then just playing the game.

Still think RC is more scummy then Tora, but neither are having a gppd time here. Been against each other since page 2.

[Elsa Jay]

Cerb while your here, tell us what the fuck to do here.

I checked back, and yeah, they've literally been against each other all game.

[Elsa Jay]

I think we could tell.

[Elsa Jay]

I hereby say my vote isn't moving away from RC, and the only other option you guys can choose is, regrettably, my ally Tora.

This shit is ridiculous.

Obviously the two slots arent together if this is what they did. So yeah, getting rid of one helps town, mechanically or just emotionally.

[Elsa Jay]

Well id rather side with the dude who doesnt want me dead and is nice then the one who faked a Mason, called me naive, and wants me dead after him.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh, going after me now?

Holy fuck, RC. Your mindset right now is just... Crazy.

[Elsa Jay]

So let's assume the mball spec is genuine

Thor/Elsa on one team
Maybe Flicker on the other? Tor could even be opposition trying to pocket him by calling him town to avoid getting crosskilled.

VOTE: Chickadee

What damn part of this is town?

[Elsa Jay]

i think calling someone's mindset "crazy" and "insane" is kinda meh personally but this is coming from someone who has worked hard to get past mental stuff and is kinda sensitive about the whole thing

in the context of 2018 i feel like words like "wild" or whatever would be more acceptable but like im a sensitive leftist i guess

It was mainly aimed at Tora and me tho.

Clearly I use different wording then you, but it's accurate.

[Elsa Jay]

When you make someone replace out of anger or emotional turmoil, your not usually gonna be viewed as the good guy, are you?

[Elsa Jay]

I love playing with both RC and Tor but they just can't coexist :/

Coexistence would have made humanity a peaceful race so long ago if we had it.

We only have tolerance.

[Elsa Jay]

Well we just gotta see who replaces into the slot.

Most of you guys know more people then me, so yeah, now we have to see what they do next.

For now, how about we look elsewhere?

[Elsa Jay]

How about, instead of looking at THEN, we look at the NOW?

And Jaber, shush. It's okay. The votes on you dont mean auto hang yet.l

[Elsa Jay]

{Toranaga, RR}
{BuJaber, Chick, RC,TW, Toogeloo}
{Elsa, Thor, Randomidget}
{NSG, mala, NicoRobin, Flicker}
{TPFKAP, Skygazer}

I like that you nearly put me exactly in the middle in your town reads.

Was that intentional?

[Elsa Jay]

I could lynch Thor.

Or maybe the slot that's been being scummy all game, even taking to account the user having a bad day?

What am I missing there, Cheeky? Why do people still seem adverse to the RC slot being gone?

[Elsa Jay]

why do ya care so much about scum hunting if you're third party survivor?

Because town earlier said to help or get hung. So yeah I'm helping where I can. Not pissing off the majority by being a jackass who does nothing.

Perhaps RC basically havin a deathwish on me is clouding my judgement slightly, but I'm going off of no experience personally with them. Especially in a Multiball.

Why are they town?

[Elsa Jay]

Replacement doesnt equal not scum, but okay.

I'll chill on the RC thing for now.

So, looking at the votes, more of my townleans are on the Malakittens wagon then the Jaber one, so it seems like a better place to look into as I re-read their posts.

VOTE: Malakitten

P.S: wherever Toogeloo went off too, I still sont like his (or TW) idea to hang me, especially since he doesnt have a reason or good credibility yet to make such a push. Just keep him in mind as well.

[Elsa Jay]

So your saying the prime Survivor strategy is too... Literally do nothing?

Clearly you've been lead astray. 9 times out of 10 that strategy ends in the Survivors demise. And when it doesn't... It's boring as hell.

My urge to Survive and urge to have fun are incompatible sometimes, clearly.

[Elsa Jay]

Why oh why do I gotta have a tortured sister?

This is cruel.

Also, Inara definitely confirms theres a roleblocker, especially since I cant be RBed.

[Elsa Jay]

Also, Inara definitely confirms theres a roleblocker, especially since I cant be RBed.

What would Inara's possible role(s) be, though?

Well either Jailkeeper, Roleblocker, or Rolestopper. If theyre scum, probably the Rolestopper type. It's a long shot there, especially if she's a love interest for the main character.

So my bet is Rolestopper if scum, maybe Disloyal Roleblocker if town?

[Elsa Jay]

I'm actually curious how many town there is now, though.

I'm guessing between 9-11 of you are town in this Multiball. Depends on the situation.

Btw, getting this out there, but do any of you think Lyncher/Jester is a possibility and we just have a 4 man mafia team with neutrals roaming around?

Me, a Serial Killer, and a Lyncher\Jester?

[Elsa Jay]

Worst, I never got a flavor and I'm a Neutral. Pretty damn sure scum dont either.

The flavor is revealed only on the flip. Period.

[Elsa Jay]

@A50

would you define the flavour of this game as contributory towards alignment?

Why do you think the flavour was [

redacted

]?

will scum be given fakeclaims / knowledge of flavours which are or are not in the game?

You mean, like.. "You may claim

[full flavour will be revealed upon your flip or at the end of the game]

?".

from this point I formally declare intent to dayvig anyone who talks about flavour

(we should start a firefly discussion thread separately tho bc <3)

Tfw you never know if they telling the truth or not so you do what they say to not get shot.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm actually curious how many town there is now, though.

I'm guessing between 9-11 of you are town in this Multiball. Depends on the situation.

Btw, getting this out there, but do any of you think Lyncher/Jester is a possibility and we just have a 4 man mafia team with neutrals roaming around?

Me, a Serial Killer, and a Lyncher\Jester?

Quoting this again since I REALLY want to discuss any possibilities here.

[Elsa Jay]

Just mentioning I currently have nothing to contribute and I'm going to work, so I'll be back later. Hopefully with shit to say.

[Elsa Jay]

snip

I’d rather not answer for him but he thinks RR is town and a good player. You will have to ask him why he thinks that.

I’m still getting caught up.

I think that EJ is the towniest 3P ever. lol

Keeping this quote forever in the back of my head to use when someone (Toogeloo) decides to try and hang me because "They're still a Neutral" without looking for scum.

I love Nancy already.

[Elsa Jay]

Also don't be fooled by BuJaber - he can wall just fine as scum if you look at Clownspiracy. What differentiates his town/scum meta is the quality of his thoughts/tone. Both are meh this game.

Pedit he thought you guys weren't scum and told me locktowning Thor was a bad idea.

Fun fact: Jaber was one of my first opponents on Mafiascum in Newbie 1835 (he had a Shadow Icon, I remember).Yet this is the first time ive played him since then, and CLEARLY both of our styles have differentiated from then. But I like the nostalgia of going against someone I went against as a noob.

I also realized that 3 of the people in that game never played another round of mafia ever again. Sad face.

[Elsa Jay]

Captain's Log: Entry.... 5? Have I lost count already?

That is unimportant at the moment. Now seems like a time for a major update. The following events are deemed major:

Subject RC magically disappeared, leaving a gender neutral mass murderer named Chara in their place. May or may not be an improvement.

My ally Tora grew a second head who calls herself Nancy recently. She's very pretty.

I may or may not be forever in the pocket of Tora and Nancy.

I came out as a Neutral ambassador for peace. Some members clearly took it more well then others.

My name may or may not be Simon. I may or may not have a tortured sister. Hope she's okay.

Investigations for opposing factions still underway. Still praying to not get shot during the night. These Doctor skills will come more in handy then i first realized.

More entry's are to be given later. For now... It is time for Mac and Cheese.

[Elsa Jay]

I was looking at it more as giving someone night immunity then stopping an actual kill. Now I have to be sneaky with my heals. Or are we going back to plan A?

[Elsa Jay]

Me believing the Mason claim was me sighing in relief at an easy heal target. Clearly that didnt go well.

[Elsa Jay]

A note again, I cant be roleblocked. Just making sure we know that part.

Pedit: clearly ive been hinting my modifier for awhile, but no, I'm not compulsive.

If it helps, I'm Ascetic with a single BP.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm saying the BP definitely right now, so if the scum (or a vigi) decided to shoot me, they'd be wasting their time.

Whether that be true, or it means I can target myself a single time, or I'm using it as a reason to not shoot me, is up to you.

Petit: clearly Cerb is done with my reveal of sensitive information for no logical reason.

[Elsa Jay]

The less secrets, the more likely you wont hang me if an investigative or something wanted to confirm I'm not scum but "suddenly" got no result, despite me crumbling it earlier since I couldnt be RBed.

Or a vigilante going full "fuck this Neutral I get a free shot" and screams I'm immune.

Petit: then why was it scummy that I asked to do that earlier? To be on that "leash"?

[Elsa Jay]

I got a feeling that - considering this is the third time - people are gonna start using me being Neutral and have a full blown discussion about me may also be using it as less time spent actually scum hunting.

[Elsa Jay]

This is the only time I'm going to say this, because I don't think we need to kill Elsa now, but...

I want everyone who knows the flavor, and realizes that this game seems designed to have many killing roles on both/all sides(depending on single/multiball), to consider this.

Is it more likely that Simon is a neutral doctor, or that the Alliance, who has multiple doctors and is likely scum, has a scum doctor.

Just...

Think about that.

End setup/spec.

-Cerb

... You literally brought it up right before her. The literal post before the one you quoted.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Elsa Jay]

What you did was what any drunk dude who mentions something like politics or religion in a bar: a goddamn bar fight.

Cerb, your trying to make me look at this from a TOWNIE perspective. I cant really do that.

The conversation in question included me, you (RR), North, Tora Nancy, and Cheeky.

Tora/Nancy: basically been on my side since page 1.

Cheeky: Ive slowly come to like over the last 25-ish pages.

North: the Bae/friend of mine who (if they live) I'm gonna be buttering up and complementing all day 2 for friendship and protection?

Yeah, going against my current and potential allies is a very stupid idea as a Neutral.

[Elsa Jay]

I am being useful, jerkwad. Confirming the Multiball, garunteeing someone to make it to the next day with the leash strat, ive clearly been given my opinion on everything and pointing out scummy moves which are ignored.

News flash: because I town read Tora/Nancy, I am literally acting as their second vote currently. A town vote. Do you have any objections on Tora being town?

If no, then congrats. Town has a vote.

If yes, then why wouldn't you hang them instead besides being petty enough to take away my victory first and not playing town wincon?

Focus your energy where it'll be useful for town if you got it. As long as my allies are town, by definition, my vote is with town.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Robin

Probably should have did this before ruru posting the VC. But yeah, that's 4 votes now.

And lookie here, Cerb. You AND my town read is here, so saying this is a shit vote is impossible.

Anything Elsa?

Pedit: make that 5 votes.

[Elsa Jay]

And memeing. Never forget the memes.

[Elsa Jay]

ok cool got it gonna read up in a couple of hours

I know Nico technically has less posts, but this dude hasnt appeared in nearly 2 days. Atleast Robin checked in today, if only to say hi.

Any of you know this dude?

[Elsa Jay]

Well you do that, and hopefully we hear a little more from the other head of RR.

I'm tired now. G'night.

Hopefully discussions of someone that isn't me is in full force for me to read when I wake up.

PS: when I said I couldn't look at a townie perspective, obviously I meant that particular moment. I'm still pointing out things but at this point town wont follow a Neutral Leader so I'm not pushing, only following my allies.

[Elsa Jay]

I got a feeling that - considering this is the third time - people are gonna start using me being Neutral and have a full blown discussion about me may also be using it as less time spent actually scum hunting.

This definitely applies to you, Toogeloo. Look at your own ISO real quick. Going for me isnt productive for town atm, yet you still do so.

At this point I think your a jester with how shit you've been doing this. Or a Lyncher who rolled the Survivor slot.

Or just mafia in general, but I'm still trying to keep in mind for everyone there may be another Neutral.

Seriously, can we evaluate Toogeloo next? My sanity won't take much more.

[Elsa Jay]

Clearly I'm too amazing and beautiful to ignore for long.

[Elsa Jay]

Not this whole game, Cerb. just until I find the right allies to stick with. right now since Tora is nice Imma be on his side.

since you all might feel it later, I claim Neutral Doctor. apparently with all the kill mechanics I was necessary.

P-Edit: well I might be losing a friend soon. soooo.....

Who wants heals?

This was when I claimed Neutral Doctor.

The interim between then and now is the RC/Tora clash, multiple discussions about me, and no single wagon getting any real steam yet to force a reaction. That was over half the game ago now.

Perhaps going for the well known Lurker isn't the best bet and for now we go for someone we think is scummy AND here.

Townies need info and I need to do shit to live, so let's think about our next move. Preferably on a slot that'll fight back.

[Elsa Jay]

He's hoping to get rid of me before i become a "threat".

So he's basically advocating I die not for what I've done, but what I COULD do. Which is always shitty.

You can kill anyone here with that line of reasoning.

[Elsa Jay]

May I make a suggestion?

If there's a vigilante, may I inquire a bullet in Toogeloos head?

And Jaber, the "too scummy to be scum" doesn't apply as much in Multiball.

[Elsa Jay]

who started talking about multiball?

VOTE: elsa jay

The neutral Doctor who's confirmed Multiball for half the game.

VOTE: TPFKAP

Now that tells me you've read jackshit about the thread, because otherwise you'd know that.

[Elsa Jay]

You have to look at everything they contributed tho.

Look through his ISO and you'll see what I see.

Nothing but focus on me.

[Elsa Jay]

Guess its hard to explain my perspective there to you, but fine.

So your thoughts on TPF not even knowing it was Multiball then? Because that just screams scum not paying attention.

[Elsa Jay]

Then this seems like an arbitrary question to ask, but... Would You like to vote them?

Also, news alert, on the activity feed I was Robin lurking. I'm expecting decent content from her.

[Elsa Jay]

He replaced statewide I think.

[Elsa Jay]

Thor not wanting to vote NR is even more :shocking: when I realize that Nico has a grand total of four posts.

I shall enjoy the explanation soon.

We're currently looking for people who'll ACTUALLY respond right now. We need info.

[Elsa Jay]

Jingle, I vote with allies, not with scum if we get to LyLo. If one of my partners happened to be a scum tho, that would be a different story. But at the moment I have no reason to beleive that any of my friends are scum. If YOU do, kindly tell everyone why.

[Elsa Jay]

Dont really understand this situation unless your scum yourself setting up for me to be hung when you need too.

Listen, the way the kills work means, by default, I literally can be killed anytime after I lose my BP. Townies can only lose 2 a cycle. I dont apply to that.

Functionally yes, if people were dicks in mylo and lynched me to give scum victory without a chance, fair enough. Clearly I'll say I won in spirit.

But Look. I'm helping town and the majority where I can. I'm pointing out scummy stuff even if I dont have as much investment in scum dying.

It's all about having allies and friends as a Survivor style role. So they don't decide to take you down with them.

[Elsa Jay]

Well when you put it that way... Your still wrong, lol.

I know the secrets of my role better then you do.

[Elsa Jay]

So mislynching me now and saving yourself the trouble is your shitty way of saying your town. Fine.

Fucking try to contribute the the majority man. Help them with your vote. They don't feel like hanging me yet so dont beat a dead horse. MAKE A PUSH ELSEWHERE.

I'm really gonna be point blank that I'm never healing you and hope you die during the night, but if your town, please help town make a push on legitimate scum. It cant be that damn hard.

[Elsa Jay]

Wonder if Gamma will be on the "Pro-Elsa" side or the "Anti-Elsa" side.

At the very least, we get another active member in the discussion. New voice and all that jazz.

[Elsa Jay]

Jesus, have you not even read a single post of mine, Too?

Are you ignoring all my thoughts and contributions?

Why the damn hate boner to lynch a survivor.

Holy fuck.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh, just a heads up Chara, RC still left your vote on Nancy/Tora. Been there since 776.

And hopefully town agrees that we HAVE to make Toogeloo talk about other relevant topics then "hang 3p autoscum hehe let me not think about legitimate scum".

As you can tell, I dont like it. Atleast with Jingle and RR their harshness on me comes from genuine strategy. This is just harassment at this point.

He also doesnt seem to be reading anymore of my posts, but at this point I'm giving up on him too, so...

[Elsa Jay]

And hopefully town agrees that we HAVE to make Toogeloo talk about other relevant topics then "hang 3p autoscum hehe let me not think about legitimate scum".

How do you suggest we do that?

He'll never listen to me, and his other scum read is on you and Nancy, so I guess it's up to everyone else.

[Elsa Jay]

And if I could have 10 accurate non null reads this early into my process I’d be way better at this game.

Why have the word accurate there?

Probably because having that many truly accurate reads day 1 sounds impossible?

I mean, besides the Multiball stuff and my claim, we haven't had a strong set of information like a flip. So we don't 100 percent have people's true intentions.

[Elsa Jay]

Don't want this to digress and we hang one of the primary people who like me alive, so let's stick to the topic of Flicker for now.

VOTE: Flicker

If you think Tora is scum, I only ask we at least work out Flicker first. Or maybe I become your slave instead Cheeky and you keep me alive.

Either is an option

[Elsa Jay]

We are in agreement then.

Bring out the tea ceremony! This'll now be official.

Let the trial of Miss Flicker commence!

[Elsa Jay]

elsa jay playing for her wincon is nothing to be read into

this is flipping town almost everytime though

-tor

I still cant tell my town game from my scum game yet, so as a 3p I'm playing a better town game then I ever did in the past.

And that's sad.

[Elsa Jay]

nsg being prodded makes me want to vote nsg tbh

sorry work has been hectic

This is literally the definition of "speak their name, they shall come".

Your timing is impeccible. Literally a Minute after a prod.

[Elsa Jay]

Have you fully caught up then, Gamma?

I dont blame you if you skiped a few pages. Also, plz don't derail this wagon, we need a lynch/claim from flicker. Vote them with us to get 7 for now. Nobody move it to L-1 tho since Thor mentioned wanting to hammer shit. With your vote it's effectively L-1.

Sky will be a secondary choice tho if you so desire.

[Elsa Jay]

Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

Plz. 1 scum at a time.

Get Flicker to 7 votes, not 8 since Thor wants to hammer. A 3p leading the town isnt the best thing. Cheeky, convince them all the stuff I said was your idea.

[Elsa Jay]

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.

Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

That and your second post made me slightly cautious. Just saying.

So your saying Tora is scum defending town here? Nani?!

[Elsa Jay]

If you beleive it Tor, we'd like to confirm it's true. Your vote now lets her prove herself as Priest with the non Self-Hammer.

Vote her to confirm her. Any unvotes on her is scum who dont want her to prove her role.

[Elsa Jay]

If you beleive it Tor, we'd like to confirm it's true. Your vote now lets her prove herself as Priest with the non Self-Hammer.

Vote her to confirm her. Any unvotes on her is scum who dont want her to prove her role.

she is of course telling the truth about her role ability

this won't prove her alignment either way

and no, I'd rather not waste everyone's time on this.

-tor

Scummy in the sense that your not letting a townie confirm herself, Tora.

Thor, help Flicker prove her claim. Vote to let her try to self-Hammer.

[Elsa Jay]

"flicker's claim is early enough to be "meh"" from thor is all kinds of puke

pedit: do you think she is lying about her ability ever? why would she even do that? the hammer won't "confirm" her as town, elsa.

-tor

It doesn't, but it confirms she isnt lying about her role, and takes a flavor for scum to use out of the equation later.

Confirming her and having her be automatically assumed as town lets her take the NK as a IC who is kinda a detriment. Having her confirm her role gives us more to work with even if she IS scum.

Petit: IF YOU DON'T THINK SHE'S LYING, LET HER PROVE IT'S HER ROLE.

Caps lock off.

[Elsa Jay]

she won't be confirmed town, elsa. this ability is NAI, she can be anything for it.

I'm not voting people I'm townreading to test things that don't matter.

-tor

Oh my gawd, Tora...

How many roles besides IC get to confirm their roles d1 like this. Why are you denying her the ability to confirm her role?

If your worried about me hammering I'm already voting her, if its someone else then they confirmed scum.

Just let her prove its her role. It's a net gain for town no matter how you slice it.

[Elsa Jay]

elsa, remember how annoyed you were at people debating you over and over and going nowhere? this flicker discussion is the same thing. you're not right and I'm not voting flicker, sorry dear.

-tor

I was annoyed at THAT because it threatened my wincon.

I'm adamant here because your trying to let her go scot free when she literally has the power to confirm her role. Scum or town doesn't matter at this point. Let her confirm it's her role and that she aint bullshit.

[Elsa Jay]

We don't get flavor until after the flip, Cerb. She's claiming Book because she knows the series.

[Elsa Jay]

Well you already annoyed me once after getting my claim. Consider this a payback then. I'm trying to solve the game too in my own way and none of you agree with it. I'm just trying to show my hand for you all.

Ading harsh language also doesnt prove your town. Just saying. Also tell me to STFU makes me talk more.

PS: I told you info we all knew. Deal with it.

[Elsa Jay]

-snip-

? It's extremely immaterial. We can have it happen, but it doesn't matter. They could just as easily be someone with that modifier and some other ability who is scum. They could be NU for scum. They could be town.

Proving that they can't self-hammer(because technically, that's all this would prove, not that they can't hammer someone else) does nothing as far as sorting their slot is concerned.

More information is good, unless it's useless information, which it would be in this case.

-Cerb

Already your contridicting the Bold statement by going for what can be considered "useless" as something as meager as flavor. If me wanting to confirm their flavor ABD modifier is useless, then how tf is asking someone for a specific sentence in their card any better?

It's also something that could order a Mod-kill, like Flicker mentioned.

My move by default is better then.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Chara... We were literally almost there. Now she's replacing out.

Dangit Chara.

[Elsa Jay]

I saw a replace out message and thought Flicker did it. That's on me.

Still, why unvote before she could prove her modifier?

[Elsa Jay]

This game, man...

Guess I'll spend this time writing the next Captain Log. Hope she gets back soon.

This day 1 though... We're at 4 replacements, right? This is turning out to be an amazing spectacle.

[Elsa Jay]

he's funny and entertaining and I want to lynch him but I can't explain why, and I also don't want to lynch him and can't explain why. such fun.

were you aware that elsa has an 100% scum winrate thus far and has been called genuine as scum in all of them?

Perhaps they're a Masonry.

I lol'd at this. *note to self: do not be fooled by Elsa's charm*

All of these are the best way to describe me. Technically I dont have 100% win record as scum, but yeah, I'm genuine every time. That's my charm as any alignment.

[Elsa Jay]

Tfw the 3p is your top town read, you KNOW town's fucking up somewhere.

Thanks for the confidence though, Jingle. I wont let you down. Mostly because I dont want to die.

[Elsa Jay]

@AP if you haven't found a replacement I can come back if you're willing to let me cancel my replacement. I approached my boss about my work schedule today and he's cutting me some slack going forward since it's my recital semester.

I have been tasked with replacing into this game. why I accepted? maybe because I'm a masochist. who are the scum?

... This is awkward.l

[Elsa Jay]

Hi.

yo

Evening.

These are your last 3 posts, Robin.

Since everyone abandoned Flicker despite my wishes, I have no reason to keep my vote there. But since I don't think I'll learn anything from the Robin slot...

This is hard. I'll accept the compromise of you getting shot in the face if town doesnt hang you. UNVOTE:

[Elsa Jay]

@AP if you haven't found a replacement I can come back if you're willing to let me cancel my replacement. I approached my boss about my work schedule today and he's cutting me some slack going forward since it's my recital semester.

I have been tasked with replacing into this game. why I accepted? maybe because I'm a masochist. who are the scum?

... This is awkward.l

it's only awkward if you make it so!

Well, welcome to the game!

I am prone to warn you that everyone I met that had a Pokemon icon ended... Let's just say poorly.

[Elsa Jay]

Wrong account Tora.

And are you scum reading me now because I disagreed with you? Sad face.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm reading, Tora. Its a good bedtime read.

[Elsa Jay]

Tell me "The Snow Queen" by Hans Christian Andersen. I've heard it's a good story.

[Elsa Jay]

Ah frick, Tora. I may have to pull a political move and remove all previous ties with you if you keep getting scummy. I see too much sense from Jingle and Co against you.

Now I have to sale my soul to Cheeky and Chara while convincing Jingle, Toog and Cerb not to murder me when the numbers get culled probably halfway.

I wish you and Nancy luck on your future endeavors, but a Survivors gotta Survive.

[Elsa Jay]

I haven't read this game in ages

The mythical Nancy reammerges! I think...

Nancy, save your other Hydra. He's picking fights he might not win.

[Elsa Jay]

pls do a captain's log

One doesn't simply rush perfection. Plus I'm tired now and watching anime. Two things that may seem contradictory but you'd be surprised.

Will post one tommorow tho.

[Elsa Jay]

I'd rather take a list of updated reads, North, but glad you confirmed your town to me. Really wonderful information. I thought you might have been scum, but thank you for clarifying.

Wonderful times. Would you give me your read on Almost? His comments so far this game have been enticing but you know him better then me at this point.

[Elsa Jay]

Town literally gave up and decided it wasn't worth their time to prove the modifier. We're onto the next possible wagon. You can read who fucked it up if you want.

VOTE: BuJaber

[Elsa Jay]

-snip-

NSG is 3p in this game too with similar activity levels to this game - active early, tunneling, tapering off.

There's also a sample of my scum meta in it which will make any doubters lol at themselves for thinking I'm scum here.

I mean, I've done it with Toog because I thought he was so focused on me as a Lyncher, but that's just me.

Awfully weird to specifically call out her as a 3p though. I dont think anyone was 3p hunting either, which makes this super townie as well, but any other reason she could be 3p besides the activity thing? Any specific phrasing from her ticked that niche?

[Elsa Jay]

Well you brought up an excellent point of discussion I tried to do before.

Do you think there's 2 smaller scum teams and 3ps, or a big "main" group and like 2-4 3ps?

[Elsa Jay]

Intersect: {Toog, Cheeky, RC/Chara, Elsa}

Definitely scum among the intersect.

No pretty sure there's no scum in this intersect...

To be fair, Elsa is scum in the intersect.

One: still not true.

Two: I'm gonna be riding with my friends for as long as i can. If scum kill me because of it, so be it. I'll keep as much intregity as I can. Not dignity tho. Already threw that out the window.l

[Elsa Jay]

Lol at this point it doesn't matter, Cheeky.

Elsa the personality you all like is female. Jay the person is a male. I don't mind either.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm just saying that saying that "this group of four probably has scum in it" is about as useful as rolling dice.

Assuming 4 scum, there is an ~30% chance of randomly choosing 4 non scum out of 17 players.

With the killing mechanics in place, I assume scum have atleast 4 members since they can only lose 2 a cycle like town. That mechanic helps everyone.

I also think it may be 3/4 3p then? That sounds like a stretch but I'm going under the assumption that only 2 3p can die a cycle as well.

4 scum + 3/4 3rd party + 9/10 (over half) townies? That means at the very least, 3p have 2 others in hiding.

[Elsa Jay]

With the multiple implied forms of killings, and town only being able to lose 2 members a cycle? With 3rd parties screwing over town AND Scum?

Seems possible.

[Elsa Jay]

No flavor, just my abilities and their description. Thats Why I said scum don't have any flavor either, or mentioned the town wincon before Almost posted the sample PM.

Notice I also say "scum" instead of mafia or anything similar because I have no idea what the scum team is called.

[Elsa Jay]

Scum is the combined anti town element.
Mafia is a team.

That's one way to say it, but I meant the team's actual name in the flavor. And aren't Scum/Mafia/Werewolf usually used interchangeably when they apply?

Does anyone know the name of the flavor of 'Mafia' we're dealing with?

[Elsa Jay]

Lol at this point it doesn't matter, Cheeky.

Elsa the personality you all like is female. Jay the person is a male. I don't mind either.

this is scum

We've been over this since the last time you accused me of being scum and voting me.

Have You forgotten your own actions thus far this game?

If you want me to say I'm Neutral Doctor for like the 70th time, be my guess. I'd prefer if you read the game though.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm still very happy people have explained to me how townish TPFKAP is - otherwise I would still be finding evrything they do to scream 'scummy' and 'optimal lynch target'.

At least he's not active lurking because he's posting - thank heavens someone explained that new definition to me while acting like my play is questionable this game while they hard defend that slot.

ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! SARCASM DETECTED!

ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! SARCASM DETECTED!

THIS IS NOT A DRILL. REPORT TO DESIGNATED AREAS. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. REPORT TO DESIGNATED AREAS.

PRAYER TO WHATEVER LORD YOU PRAY TOO AND KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE, PORKENS.

YOU BROUGHT DOWN THE HAMMER.

VOTE: TPFKAP

[Elsa Jay]

Well we can get some flips, as long as we finally pick the most scummy person in the room. You got plenty of picks.

[Elsa Jay]

I got distracted by PORKENS and Thor just now. Let me reread that...

Yeah, all excellent points for BuJabers demise. I'll vote later as like the hammer or something if it gets to that. But can you get everyone to click that spoiler tag and actually read it? Convincing all these personalities to agree with each other when most of them want each other dead will be hard.

[Elsa Jay]

If I pick one and they flip town, I guarantee you one of you is gonna blame me and call me "mafia doctor" again. (Looking at you, Toog)

I'm not gonna play the leader here. Already tried that with Flicker and that turned out shit. Thor, lead the town with Jingle or something.

[Elsa Jay]

Jaber, at this point I'm rooting for the Porken lynch if for no other reason then they aren't even trying to contribute to the thread, and unlike Robin are trying to lie about it. You, atleast for now, can contribute to the conversation.

Plus both times they came in without reading amd called me scum. So yeah. Fuck em. Take this blessing to not get hung and vote TPFKAP or whatever the acronym is.

[Elsa Jay]

But... you are scum lol. I mean, town is willing to leash you, but that doesn't change your nature.

I swear this'll keep coming to bite you in the ass, Toog, if you keep mentioning this little thing.

Trust me.

[Elsa Jay]

Nico? You mean the ghost that whispers sweet greetings every 2 days?

[Elsa Jay]

scummy:

NicoRobin
TPFKAP
Thor665
Malakittens
Gamma Emerald
northsidegal

players i doubt are scum: Rational, Chickadee, Jingle, McMenno, Flicker

paranoia pile: Toogeloo, Cheeky, BuJaber?, Nancy Drew Shogunate

special tier: Elsa Jay

it would be nice if all or most of the scum were in the pile that's left.

So thats what you meant then?

Also, I get my own special little box. I am best girl, clearly.

[Elsa Jay]

Okay now we REALLY need the VC because otherwise Flicker bamboozled us and we're going into the nightphase blind.

Seriously tho Toog, for once we atleast can agree on something.

[Elsa Jay]

-snip -

thanks Elsa. that's what i meant.
and yes you get a special box for a 3p i don't know the wincon of. <3

I believe I've said I want to live multiple times. But keeping that doubt keeps you alive, so that's good.

[Elsa Jay]

Toog already unvoted and North voted you. Trust me when I say there's probably not gonna be a quickhammer.

Unless You did it of course. In which case your gunna die day 2 or night 1.

[Elsa Jay]

The TPFKAP lynch will basically be a policy lynch considering his flip will be almost entirely informationless.

...and people gave me a hard time for saying we should lynch the third party player.

Too be fair, I'm lovable and becoming the Town Mascot. The same cant be said for TPF.

Also your getting 3 people in a row responding to this one comment. That's an achievement.

[Elsa Jay]

Well there goes day 1.

Remember I'm ascetic, so if anyone says they visited me for any other reason then to put a bullet in my skull, they are a liar.

[Elsa Jay]

I dont know if a vigilante can shoot this night yet, but I assure you, you have easy pickings that arent me. Listen too Drixx, he's smart.

Inb4 I'm fucked because TPF is a vengeful.

[Elsa Jay]

Would You like to say any last words before you die?

Now would be a good time before your murdered.

[Elsa Jay]

Just for any town investigative getting any funny ideas or something. Dont want them wasting their time.

And like I said: Oneshot Bulletproof. So yeah, I'm feeling a Vigilante may or may not shoot the hell out of me.

Then again, you've literally been up my and are since I claimed Neutral Doc, so I expected your pushback.

[Elsa Jay]

Why bother...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TPFKAP

...

I mean.

This is not a good look for you Toogeloo.

Also, vigs should shoot Elsa. Just saying. That's probably the highest EV play you can make overall.

-Cerb

Oh screw you too bud. Your just trying to not let any vigilante kill an actual Scum instead, going for the Surv.

We got little time, but imma remember that.

[Elsa Jay]

Captain's Log: Entry 9

I appear to have gained a much bigger budget when making my Diaries. I have also appeared to have survived the first Night phase relatively in tact, despite the fact certain people acquire for my death.

The same can't be side for - Wait, nobody died?!

HOLY MOLY IT'S A MIRACLE.

My actions last night appear to have kept anyone - Including myself - from dying horrifically.

The computer system A50 appeared to have laughed at the fact I nearly pissed my pants in fear of death last night. Jokes on him!

Scouting for more information now. It's my duty as Captain to protect the crew.

I will now try to be sure my cremated still dont want to murder me.

- Elsa Jay, Captain.

[Elsa Jay]

Thanks for protecting me last night Elsa, you and I have our differences, and I may still want you dead, but at least you took care of me ^_^.

Well it's a good thing I never had the thought to heal you cross my mind.

[Elsa Jay]

I think 3 options happened with the Blue Hand group or whatever.

1: They attacked Cheeky, who I was on last night.

2: They were asshats and took away my BP.

3: a roleblocker roleblocked the killer.

[Elsa Jay]

He gamesolves as I say I was on Cheeky last night and STILL says I healef him.

We lost him, crew. He's delusional.

[Elsa Jay]

Hey Elsa.

You should elaborate on how your doctor ability works. Namely, does it protect against a single killing, action, or all killing actions?

-Cerb

It's more along the lines of "heal any attack that comes their way". So yeah.

I doubt every scum decided to go for Cheeky though.

[Elsa Jay]

Since I never dealt with a situation like thks before, Imma be the noob and ask if ascetic counters that. Since, you know, it stops everything but killed.

Because if it doesnt I think I may or may not have been bullshitted alive?

[Elsa Jay]

Weird...

So someone else saved Toog, Scum no killed, or the kills are strongwilled and targeted CT and EJ.

Gamma he is referring to Almost's recent post on the matter.

He's right in which I couldn't have healed him in any circumstance then.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm alot of things as a Neutral. Appearantly its to give me a fighing chance to survive.

You can reread my ISO and see I didnt just pull the ascetic claim out my ass either.

[Elsa Jay]

Compulsive is a thing. But that's a great question.

Toog, are you X-shot LR or was this a n1 thing only?

[Elsa Jay]

No, think about it.

Now nobody here has any clue what the hell happened last night and he made any investigative useless, unless they ALSO have ascetic. Which is possible, true, but unlikely.

So now we're basically still in day 1 minus the traitor in terms of information.

[Elsa Jay]

I concede that I REALLY don't want to get into another argument yet, so I'm changing the subject since it seens easy to do as me, especially whenever I bring myself up.

VOTE: Robin

Anybody who even town reads this, raise your hand. Then:

1: Put your hand down you are wrong.

2: If we lost nothing last night, then let's start where we left off yesterday. This probably would have been shot by the vigi if things went normally anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm just going to outright claim: The mod is taunting me and refusing to give me all of the setup information by PM. Therefore, the mod is a meanyhead. That is all.

The Mod loves me a bunch, considering I'm basically a free 3rd party view of the game, lol.

He also finds me hilarious and may secretly be rooting for my victory. Don't tell him I said thst though.

[Elsa Jay]

I concede that I REALLY don't want to get into another argument yet, so I'm changing the subject since it seens easy to do as me, especially whenever I bring myself up.

VOTE: Robin

Anybody who even town reads this, raise your hand. Then:

1: Put your hand down you are wrong.

2: If we lost nothing last night, then let's start where we left off yesterday. This probably would have been shot by the vigi if things went normally anyway.

raises hand

Tell me why I’m wrong pls.

If I don't town read her, and this is Multiball, AND they havent contributed at all to the game, then why be opposed to the lynch?

Sure, you can say I'm being opportunistic here, but you have a firm grasp on my current intentions. More then most here, in fact.

Give me your reason for townreading them, THEN we can have a proper discussion about it.

[Elsa Jay]

Thanks for covering my butt Elsa. I will protect you as best I can against lynching

Calculated risk taken in not being Obvious and healing Tora RR or Chara.

Result: Successful.

Relationship bonus: + 5.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh, we can almost assuredly be sure we have 4 killing roles.

No wonder he thought adding a Neutral Doc was a good idea.

That shit is ridiculous.

[Elsa Jay]

I've mentioned it a lot already when you decided to ignore me but: Toog, choosing someone you KNOW is town to survive until the next day is a great ability.

Currently feeling worse about my chance to live as well with that many options for murder, PGO included.