Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Toranaga]

zomg

[Toranaga]

VOTE: cheekyteeky

[Toranaga]

no, that's a towny thought to have

I liked elsa's last post. reading too much into unimportant things and getting out of RVS

pedit: you're putting elsa on the not towny list? why is that?

[Toranaga]

oh it's overdramatic for sure, I just don't think it's fake. it's probably how elsa thinks

[Toranaga]

oh it's overdramatic for sure, I just don't think it's fake. it's probably how elsa thinks

...O_o

^That's me watching you.

what happened to your eye?

[Toranaga]

I'm dramatic by default, I assure you. But I'm also trying to solve the game as well.

Usually 5 months ago I did jackshit the first 10 or so pages. Changing up the formula and all that.

boom take that cheeky

dramatic by default. he admits it himself.

toranaga bless

cheeky, elsa and chickadee to a lesser extent are townreads

[Toranaga]

is RC grumpy cause he is scum?

pedit: ok

[Toranaga]

I like you elsa

[Toranaga]

you're voting the towniest poster in the game by a mile

[Toranaga]

Btw if you're both scum I'm going to stomp on you both so hard you'll wish you never got on this spaceship! You know who you are.

I would be bussing him already

[Toranaga]

I don't recall us ever being svs

[Toranaga]

of course you did

[Toranaga]

does what offend me?

[Toranaga]

idk who that is

[Toranaga]

ah

no it doesn't offend me, he is a great player

[Toranaga]

no it's not

[Toranaga]

why not?

first of all, you're not even allowed to think elsa is scummy because outside of buying into your mason claim, elsa has been projecting town very hard the entire time he is here.

buying into your mason claim is something that always comes from a place of ignorance. it could be scum doing it, it could be town doing it, but it's always coming from a place where he doesn't know you enough, or he didn't even play mafia enough, to understand he shouldn't be reading into your mason claim like that.

you scumreading elsa here is not a good look at all.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: radiant cowbells

[Toranaga]

which would make elsa town too

[Toranaga]

if I have TMI on elsa that says I'm scum and elsa is town

[Toranaga]

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

[Toranaga]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

[Toranaga]

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

[Toranaga]

I made a yugioh reference? lmao

[Toranaga]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

but why would you be almost sure of this? why would elsa jay -not- do this as scum? because i'm fairly sure even he would say this is p much exactly what his scum game would look like

I never said that believing your claim was towny. I said it was not scummy. I said elsa's posts outside of that part are towny, and I'm townreading him tonally when he is concerned people are voting you.

just re-read what I said to you.

[Toranaga]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

hes not new though

but i give you a 10/10 for effort though

if he is not new, he is not from a time where people opened with fake claims, or he wouldn't react like he did regardless of alignment.

[Toranaga]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

but why would you be almost sure of this? why would elsa jay -not- do this as scum? because i'm fairly sure even he would say this is p much exactly what his scum game would look like

I never said that believing your claim was towny. I said it was not scummy. I said elsa's posts outside of that part are towny, and I'm townreading him tonally when he is concerned people are voting you.

just re-read what I said to you.

yet being concerned people are voting RC could be scum faking acting as tone

your arguments suck

but you made no counterpoint here. yes it can be scum acting faking towny stuff, that's not my read into it.

[Toranaga]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

hes not new though

but i give you a 10/10 for effort though

if he is not new, he is not from a time where people opened with fake claims, or he wouldn't react like he did regardless of alignment.

Please tell me this is not why you're actually town reading him.

I said many times now I'm not townreading him for this. I disagreed it was scummy, because it's not scummy. I'm townreading elsa cause he feels genuine in every post of his that I read.

[Toranaga]

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

[Toranaga]

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

[Toranaga]

I'm really sad you rolled scum again Tor :/

neither you nor RC can read me btw

you totally can't, you only got there last game because you were pretty sure I was subbing into scum anyway and then I was literally caught next gameday after convincing you I was town. and you townread scum!me in our other game together on 451.

RC just scumreads me all the time the whole time so :shrug:

but for you: read that game. look how I came into it, my thoughts on players etc. read my games as town. then come back here, and read me here. I'm sure you can get there if you refresh your memory on how I usually play.

[Toranaga]

I can read you a lot better than you can read me

you never read me correctly apart from the game I was hydraing with cheeky teeky

every game you're town you think I'm scum and I'm town, with literally no exception

you just suffer from selective memory and confuse people and events

[Toranaga]

idk my selective memory allows me to remember twin trap

that's the game I was hydraing with cheeky teeky you genius

[Toranaga]

you totally can't, you only got there last game because you were pretty sure I was subbing into scum anyway and then I was literally caught next gameday after convincing you I was town.

You convinced me you were town with AtE. I read you just fine until you started calling me shit which I thought you wouldn't stoop to as scum. We'll see, but saying I can't read you doesn't mean I shouldn't try and it's creeping me the eff out that you're talking to us like you know we're town.

I'm very confident townreading you. I'm seeing lots of similarities from this game and RC's past games as town, so yeah I'm townleaning both of you and I'm unsurprised you're both trying to kill me

[Toranaga]

idk my selective memory allows me to remember twin trap

that's the game I was hydraing with cheeky teeky you genius

You mean the one you were convinced RC was scum and I had to reassure you multiple times he wasnt?

yes, that's the only game he read me correctly and that's cause of you

every other game has been exactly this with RC

[Toranaga]

VOTE: the worst

[Toranaga]

btw cheeky the only reason I'm bringing up you're not good at reading me is because you decided to just call me scum instead of interact with me in any manner, and that's whatever really, I don't mind, but you shouldn't be this confident and I wish you'd find me in this game instead of call me scum for whatever reason you're calling me scum. I don't mean to be rude, just keep in mind you don't have a strong handle of my game.

[Toranaga]

I'm embracing flicker's townread on me and I'll live in his pocket for the rest of the gameday

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76985

that's the game

[Toranaga]

I kinda think Elsa is scum too now lel

wasn't that always your read? I don't remember you saying otherwise at any point.

[Toranaga]

I'd be ultimately townreading a couple of things TW said so far (I like his entrance and like his snark @ RC at some point) but I know TW can be a lot townier than this and I don't like his actual thoughts in the game so far. feels noncomittal and lacks depth.

[Toranaga]

I think flicker is town. I like his townread on me cause there's nuance there. he is also the only person who understood what my read was re: elsa, or at least the only one who expressed it.

[Toranaga]

I'd be ultimately townreading a couple of things TW said so far (I like his entrance and like his snark @ RC at some point) but I know TW can be a lot townier than this and I don't like his actual thoughts in the game so far. feels noncomittal and lacks depth.

This post is very contridictory. >.>

it's not

I'm townreading tone and not townreading content. so when he opens with voting "no lynch", I find it towny. when he expresses his thoughts on flicker, I find it not towny. and I know he can be transparent when he is town.

[Toranaga]

I can't help it, I'm pocketed

[Toranaga]

I don't know why I misgendered you, sorry flicker.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: nsg

[Toranaga]

VOTE: NSG

-shrug-

i'm disappointed that you're misreading me but i expect you to realize your mistake soon enough.

i hope you realize that if i was scum i would be lurking now waiting for someone to get you angry so that you'd tunnel them and ignore me.

lmao

[Toranaga]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

[Toranaga]

tora is hungry too

[Toranaga]

I don't really think Flicker is scum tbqh she feels about as awkward and uncomfortable as I'd kind of expect with her experience. scumreading her me drawing content out of her is kinda.... idk kinda really preschool level play but that might be because I'm TMI on my own alignment

is there a reason to scumread like either of us other than armchair "not enough scumhunting FRKM Flicker!!!!1!1!1!1!" or is this just a poor s/s read?

uh oh

I have a popcorn scum tell on you from yesterday that you displayed here

this thing about you having TMI on your alignment and therefore yadda yadda

[Toranaga]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

Are you agreeing with him?

yeah I thought that post nsg made scumreading flicker was scummy, but when she reiterated RC should "wait" on his read and what she'd do as scum instead, I really feel that comes from town!nsg quite often. her self meta feels genuine too. she doesn't post as scum and would wait for RC to choke himself instead of arguing with him and being ITT like she is, at least from what I know of her scum game.

[Toranaga]

I like everyone posting

how about that

[Toranaga]

VOTE: skygazer

[Toranaga]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

Are you agreeing with him?

yeah I thought that post nsg made scumreading flicker was scummy, but when she reiterated RC should "wait" on his read and what she'd do as scum instead, I really feel that comes from town!nsg quite often. her self meta feels genuine too. she doesn't post as scum and would wait for RC to choke himself instead of arguing with him and being ITT like she is, at least from what I know of her scum game.

Then why didn't you unvote her?

what's the difference? I eventually voted someone else. I don't remember when was the last time I unvoted someone for any reason other than to avoid a majority lynch.

[Toranaga]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

Are you agreeing with him?

yeah I thought that post nsg made scumreading flicker was scummy, but when she reiterated RC should "wait" on his read and what she'd do as scum instead, I really feel that comes from town!nsg quite often. her self meta feels genuine too. she doesn't post as scum and would wait for RC to choke himself instead of arguing with him and being ITT like she is, at least from what I know of her scum game.

Then why didn't you unvote her?

I need to pay more attention on my reads. Hopefully Drixx will do a more thorough reading later, but yeah, I missed this.

How significant is this Toranaga? Does scum!nsg never do this?

-Cerb

pedit:@CheekyTeeky: How do you feel about me!

never do what?

scum!nsg doesn't even play the game at all so her self meta is probably accurate.

[Toranaga]

Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

why don't you give me a reason? so far you're just calling me scum for nothing

[Toranaga]

hrm Cerby you read different here to Heroes Wanted. why is that?

agree

[Toranaga]

Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

why don't you give me a reason? so far you're just calling me scum for nothing

My reason is that I've played enough with you to know you're better than this and you take a more aggressive stance which inadvertently leaves you leading the town. You're sheeping, tmi'ing, and not bouncing reads off me at all, which you do when you think I'm town.

I like my own posting :shrug:

I don't wanna be aggressive, because if I'm aggressive I'll self vote and tell everyone to go fuck themselves because I don't wanna deal with any of your tunnels right now. I don't like playing with RC, I don't like being pushed for nothing scummy I did or because I'm being misinterpreted and I find your way of reading me through having me getting wagoned pretty annoying but I don't wanna be a dick so I'm not being one.

[Toranaga]

and I was bouncing reads off of you until you went "blablabla I'm so sad you're scum"

you're not bouncing reads off of me, not the other way around

[Toranaga]

and I was bouncing reads off of you until you went "blablabla I'm so sad you're scum"

you're not bouncing reads off of me, not the other way around

True I guess we were disagreeing on Elsa. But why would you stop just because I called you scum? That doesn't change the way you see my alignment and it in no way helps me to correct my read if you withdraw?

am I supposed to follow you around until you notice me? I'm here solving, girl. I reached out to you, you ignored me, kept tunneling me, and now you're saying I'm the one who stopped. if you think my reads are crap and I'm not playing well enough to be town, that's cool.

[Toranaga]

Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

why don't you give me a reason? so far you're just calling me scum for nothing

My reason is that I've played enough with you to know you're better than this and you take a more aggressive stance which inadvertently leaves you leading the town. You're sheeping, tmi'ing, and not bouncing reads off me at all, which you do when you think I'm town.

I like my own posting :shrug:

I don't wanna be aggressive, because if I'm aggressive I'll self vote and tell everyone to go fuck themselves because I don't wanna deal with any of your tunnels right now. I don't like playing with RC, I don't like being pushed for nothing scummy I did or because I'm being misinterpreted and I find your way of reading me through having me getting wagoned pretty annoying but I don't wanna be a dick so I'm not being one.

You do realise I'm immune to this after last game right? It also doesn't explain why you're sheeping the lynchbait votes.

NSG is a lynchbait vote? funny cause I thought NSG had the most transparent lolmeta out of all the players in the game.

who else was lynchbait that I voted? . oh, skygazer. you mentioned her, so I ISO'd her and was surprised she just popped in to vote. her posting feels natural now so it's probably not a good place to be voting.

in b4 "why don't you unvote her then?"

[Toranaga]

Tor what do you think the chances of NSG/RC/you/me are all town?

I think you're all town

[Toranaga]

RC tries to get me to replace out every game he plays with me so expectedly he is behaving like this again. it's not different than the horrible town rands I had with him recently so I think he is town.

NSG, last game I saw her scum I replaced into her slot and she literally rolled over prod dodging the whole time she was playing and was eventually prodded out of it. I hear from everyone she doesn't post as scum, and she is posting quite a lot so she is probably town.

your scum game is crystal clear so you're town

[Toranaga]

Tor what do you think the chances of NSG/RC/you/me are all town?

I think you're all town

Top 3 scumreads?

I don't have a single scumread right now.

[Toranaga]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

Why? What makes you think only town don't know wwho they are?

thats not it, i dont think scum would post anything role pm indicative before the sample pm was posted

that's so smart

[Toranaga]

although I thought toogeloo was joking

[Toranaga]

I'd think you're scum but you're a different animal

[Toranaga]

I had several scumreads in moments of this game and I pushed them, and they revealed to be towny enough for me to back off

[Toranaga]

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

[Toranaga]

TW is not someone I'm gonna parse out right now. he hasn't been transparently towny like I expect, but I'm also probably overrating his ability to project town when the game recently started. I townread his tone, I don't like some of his content, it needs time for my read to become anything solid.

[Toranaga]

elsa's starting posts were bad thoughts but I don't associate bad with scummy necessarily and I believed he believed what he was saying, not only in those posts but through and through. feeling genuine matters to me a whole lot more than being reasonable. scum is often reasonable, town is very very often unreasonable... it's player dependant. sounding genuine all the time is a town tell.

[Toranaga]

I don't know the player

if he is always super genuine sounding, I can't read him. I'm not gonna find out because I'm not gonna metadive anybody.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: reasonably rational

I actually dig this

[Toranaga]

[Toranaga]

what does ~D look like?

[Toranaga]

oh I see

well I like the idea of drixx presenting himself as a single male gamete. it's very artistic.

[Toranaga]

cerb just crushed any reason I thought I had for voting him

[Toranaga]

I hate thor's comment on RVS too. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative for him, but it's weirdly disingenuous and not a real thought he had.

[Toranaga]

I hate thor's comment on RVS too. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative for him, but it's weirdly disingenuous and not a real thought he had.

What makes you think that?
Pretty sure I've always been on open record that Day 1 in a Large is trash posting.

well it's not. there's a ton of information in this thread and some people are strong hitting their town metas so far from what I know of their games. you were making reads here yourself. I don't get your RVS comment, it's wrong and IDK what to make of it. feels like criticizing things for the sake of it.

[Toranaga]

I want elsa jay in all my games forever

[Toranaga]

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.
Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

is this not making reads, thor?

[Toranaga]

You didn't answer my question of why you think I don't believe what I'm saying. You're successfully stating why you believe what you think about the quality of these pages - but I didn't ask that.

I don't think you believe what you're saying because you're intelligent

[Toranaga]

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

[Toranaga]

Then let's give someone that power;

Vote:Reasonably Rational

@Mod

20 pages of RVS is objectively untrue and taken by the fact you were drawing leans from page 1, you know this

I'm not insulting you. I'd be insulting you if I didn't take issue with you.

By this point you're now starting to debate a definition with me to take umbrage at my statement, yeah?
What if instead of saying RVS I'd said 'Day 1 blather'? Would your point still hold?
If your answer is no - what's your actual issue here?

With regards to your previous question about my top non-RVS case: I'll let my other head catch up and discuss things with him to see where he stands. His RC position is a valid one that I largely agree with. The logic used by Cheeky to push Toranaga resonates with me still, even if she's been assuaged. I do dislike Elsa's reasons for their votes. Nobody else has done anything that I view as scummy right now. I do need to reread, because as I said before I missed some things previously, so obviously I haven't been as diligent as I'd like.

-Cerb

Blerpity blerp - I'mma saying a lot of nothing here.

So your case is: I sorta agree with some other cases but I'm not caught up and neither is my other head (almost as though 20 pages of derp isn't helpful in a strange and mystical way that some sexy bearded person suggested but I needed to disagree with to try to pretend to look townish).

Got it

d1 blather over RVS changes the meaning of what you said. I'd take no issue with it if you just want to end the gameday because it's too much posting that leads nowhere. I agree with this sentiment overrall, but not in this game. it's too early, people are showing their colours and 22 pages is definitely not a lot on a 17er.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

[Toranaga]

thank goodness A50 isn't here to call me scum for jumping off the RR wagon

[Toranaga]

he is scummier than everyone else

[Toranaga]

he is scummier than everyone else

That’s funny considering a few pages back you said I had a towny post. The only post that I have posted was not understanding the RR wagon.

Also I’m a ‘she’. I really don’t mind the pronouns, but please try

and you beetlejuice onto the thread when voted too, nice

you had one towny post, a few scummy ones, and everyone posting is townier than you are

and yeah sorry, I keep misgendering people for no reason.

[Toranaga]

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

Spoiler:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

[Toranaga]

I didn’t beetlejuice I was already posting prior so get your facts right tia

sorry I didn't notice your last scummy post was so recent

[Toranaga]

Well I tried.

Anyway, voting up a dude who claimed to be in a Masonry?

Now admittedly, because this is (probably)

Multiball

he COULD theoretically be scum. But voting him?

VOTE: Malakittens

Obviously you COULD be joking, but this seems like a decent start.

I'm trying to be

Neutral

here and follow the Majority. very simple. No need for a deep Psycho-analysis of it.

I also like to say weird shit.

[Toranaga]

Generous of you to give me 10 days. I should hope you'll have your answer sooner.

Tora I can't focus at all right now.. where's the contradiction in Elsa's post?

I'm making a joke but elsa is sort of softclaiming third party a bit this game. read the parts I bolded.

[Toranaga]

"I'm trying to be Neutral"

with a capital N no less lmao

pedit: yes it's normal for him

[Toranaga]

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

Spoiler:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

lol okay so i dont like this whole preemptive defense thing

VOTE: toranaga

but mala said I was townreading her which prompted me to write this. read the thread? also did you read my thoughts on mala at all before voting me?

[Toranaga]

Generous of you to give me 10 days. I should hope you'll have your answer sooner.

Tora I can't focus at all right now.. where's the contradiction in Elsa's post?

I'm making a joke but elsa is sort of softclaiming third party a bit this game. read the parts I bolded.

I can see why you'd think that but I think you're reading into it. Like I very highly doubt she's 3rd party. Keep it simple.

What is your opinion on RC this game right now? Just say whatever comes to mind every thought you have about him.

Pedit.. bah I'll read and respond separetely if I have anything to say

as I said, that was a joke

RC's starting posts felt like him being frozen and not wanting to interact in any meaningful way, which is why he kept scumclaiming. he also felt grumpy for no reason, which I'd be if I had to scum in this lineup, so he was more or less on my radar already. when he started pushing elsa for nothing scummy elsa did, I felt he was scum cause RC can do many things as scum, but his scum cases always feel forced and bad so I became very wary of it. but then he started having the same reactions I was having in real time to many posts in the game. townreading mala's towny post, scumreading and then townreading NSG for the very posts that made NSG feel scummy earlier, and towny afterwards. his treatment of me, and one of the main reasons I absolutely cannot stand a single moment of playing with this guy, is just how he behaved with me in the past as town and, not that I necessarily think he'd only push me as town, but it goes back to a familiar place in memory and he was town then.

[Toranaga]

3rd party doctor.

So yeah, very sure it's Multiball.

loooooool you're literally neutral

[Toranaga]

elsa being third party explains my read on their slot though i guess

don't you guys start excuse yourselves because elsa is 3p

elsa's only piece of TMI was this being multiball. you all still failed.

[Toranaga]

all my thoughts on mala this game, so I'm not accused of flip flopping:

Spoiler:

VOTE: malakittens

there's no way you're both town

malakittens MQ thing is several sheeped opinions condensed in a scumpost

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just giving my thoughts on the game

I find the scumreads on elsa pretty odd and like the people doing so should know better

Do you view what I'm saying so far as expressing a scumread?

-Cerb

you wouldn't be questioning elsa if you weren't pinged by him, but I was talking about RC and malakittens. I like how both progressed with their posting and I like RC townreading mala after mala's big post about elsa that I also thought was towny.

I'm reading mala's ISO now and my thoughts about it remain the same as whatever I thought in real time. I don't like his start. I dislike #33 tonally but I have no patience to explain in any way why, it's just one of those things where the phrasing pings my radar. #89 felt to me like he was just copy/pasting stuff people said and making a scummy montage with it. and then I liked this:

It's an over dramatic serious response to a post that shouldn't even be taken super serious considering it's RC. I love RC, but he's a guy that plays off other people's reactions. Unless he's changed his playstyle in 2 years+.

Again, I don't see where someone who's been playing for over a year would blindly believe RC and think it's a real mason claim like off the bat. Then attack people for voting RC in a RVS stage.

I can't tell if you, Tora, are defending Elsa because you think elsa is a newbie that can't defend himself or it's motivated some other way.

the fact you say he's someone who didn't play with people who opened with fake claims. I wouldn't know how the site played back in 2017. I was on a leave during that time.

@elsa have you played with RC before?

cause I liked his thoughts about me here. it's a minor thing, he can be scum saying it for sure, but I backed off after this post.

I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

VOTE: malakittens

scummiest ISO in the game imo

lol okay so i dont like this whole preemptive defense thing

VOTE: toranaga

but mala said I was townreading her which prompted me to write this. read the thread? also did you read my thoughts on mala at all before voting me?

it's more of the wording and like how quick you were to compile literally everything you've said about mala

and yes

that's fine

and yeah I'm the quick, my wife agrees

[Toranaga]

but elsa explained something about the mod saying that in the sign ups

it's not a huge piece of TMI. being on a pack team of scum is a huge piece of TMI. this is as much TMI as being any kind of PR that tells you something about the setup, e.g. being a firefighter

[Toranaga]

I believe you

[Toranaga]

btw

toranaga bless

[Toranaga]

what?

[Toranaga]

is this salad of words your towngame, sky?

[Toranaga]

RR is town

[Toranaga]

Wait if a hammer is reached by votes but VC script doesn't count it/catch it.. is it a hammer or is the VC the only truth?

Because this sounds like an open invitation for all sorts of fake hammering, voting without voting, and general perception-manipulation

lmao at you saying this on mafiascum

auto vc is a step forward and I'm glad people are using it here.

[Toranaga]

TW, you realize I'm claiming NEUTRAL DOCTOR and not town, right?

Correct and I'm calling you a wolf. blatantly think this is a groupscum claim.

can you elaborate on this for me? I can't see how elsa is ever scum with this claim

[Toranaga]

can you elaborate on this for me? I can't see how elsa is ever scum with this claim

huuuh

don't be scum please Tora I beg you

VOTE: Mala

I promise you when you see me scum, you'll be able to tell by now.

can you go over how elsa's claim is scummy fypov?

[Toranaga]

my elsa read was perfect

[Toranaga]

lone 3p who is choosing to townside and can win with town isn't scum and isn't supposed to be read as scummy

I even caught elsa softclaiming 3p and was the only one doing so, so toranaga bless

[Toranaga]

that was me, yes

I believe elsa's claim though

[Toranaga]

that's my username on a different community

I tried lynching RC who claimed survivor on d2 or whatever, it was a turbo and very different circumstance. you've been bread crumbing and have no motivation as scum to be claiming like you did, and your role is useful for town. I'm sensible.

[Toranaga]

Who the frick is that and what is that username?

HCUFO is Tora's name when he's sitting ous on houses drawing pictures and playing solos til 10

pocketed forever

[Toranaga]

VOTE: radiant cowbells

terrible, terrible posting all game

[Toranaga]

"Cheeky: locktown unless mssybe scum with Tor"

@cheeky

[Toranaga]

associative reads that don't work, like why is thor and elsa scum together? in what world does it make sense to think me and cheeky are maybe scum together, and that's cheeky entire equity as scum? cheeky's progression on me is the towniest, clearest thing to read into from her ISO I'm sure. she was highly suspicious of me, voted me early, declared me scum before it was cool to do so and I'm pretty sure our interactions are readably not svs. but cheeky's scum equity, the entire equity she has, is with me? right.

btw wrt elsa, the worst can think elsa is scum as much as he wants and I think it's towny of him to say that, but RC? there's no way elsa is ever scum. his posting all game is pure, his claim was crumbed from the beginning and makes no sense to gamble as scum, and the way he phrased and acted around his claim is always a genuine thing. I don't expect anyone with 5+ years of mafia obsession to get this wrong ever. it's a banal read.

and thor hasn't been scummy. thor has been thor. he can be scum, he can be town, who knows, right? it's thor, he makes himself hard to read and is one of the only players with MS with a reasonably balanced meta. so that scumread is poop too.

and, yeah. no wanting here, I think RC is scum. I think d2 is wonderful without him regardless but the horrible pushes and nonsensical associative reads are par with RC's scum game.

[Toranaga]

I was sleeping, woke up to piss and had to stop halfway to write this because holy shit

[Toranaga]

I'm pretty sure Elsa is scum claiming 3p
Pretty sure Thor are buddy
Think Toranaga also buddy but he could just be bad

I'm gonna dunk on you so hard today

[Toranaga]

Also as I pointed out Toranaga the last time he played with a survivor was insistient that the proper approach to survivor was to PL them because you can't trust anyone without a town role PM. His approach in this game is to just straight up buy a strange and sketchy 3pdoc claim and insist that it's town and chainsaw anyone who pushes it. His read on Elsa doesn't make any sense coming from town him in terms of his insistence that they're 'genuine' as a way to handwave all the sketchy shit about him and he decided to completely in one ear and out the other the fact that Elsa is known for being genuine as town.

on a turbo and you're a loud, annoying, emotional player who I hate playing with, and your claim was not even remotely close as good as elsa's. you claimed survivor on d2 iirc and I had no reason to believe you.

[Toranaga]

and thor hasn't been scummy. thor has been thor. he can be scum, he can be town, who knows, right? it's thor, he makes himself hard to read and is one of the only players with MS with a reasonably balanced meta. so that scumread is poop too.

and, yeah. no wanting here, I think RC is scum. I think d2 is wonderful without him regardless but the horrible pushes and nonsensical associative reads are par with RC's scum game.

Like what is he actually saying here?

-Thor is impossible to read therefore your scumread there is poop
-The horrible pushes and nonsensical associatives reads are "on par' with RC's scum game" as opposed to being from it

Like I realize at least 2 of the hop ons are scum but
The idea that any town is voting me I give the side eye to.

how are thor and elsa associated at all? what makes them scum together?

[Toranaga]

Can we wagon Tora? I have a good reason.

~D

you never do, drixx

bring back cerb

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Toranaga

This needs votes. Don't be dumb please.

Also ... 3p claims are gonna get treated really badly by this player list. And like ... Jay knows that right?

~D

not if town is smart

jay is claiming positive utility to town and there's no reason to distrust him. if he thought everyone was stupid, then sure he'd be concerned of getting "treated badly", but I only see RC and the worst going after him, and RC is scum.

[Toranaga]

I have my reasons and you don't need to hear them.

you have a red role pm

you're right that I don't need to hear your reasons, they're fake

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Toranaga

I have nothing better to be doing.

lol ok

[Toranaga]

kill RC tomorrow then?

[Toranaga]

so when I flip town, when elsa flips 3p, will you then finally kill RC or will you let him cry, replace out and then forget all the proscum behaviour the whole time he was around?

[Toranaga]

there's 0 chance town!rc thinks me and cheeky can be both scum and that's cheeky's scum equity

not a thought that happens on a functioning towny rc brain

[Toranaga]

proscum because of the flips, yes? that's what I'm referring to. you're not trying to kill scum today and when I flip it'll be clear to everyone else, hopefully.

[Toranaga]

I saw you do it twice, you were town once, scum once and absolutely horrible both times

[Toranaga]

and yes I'll gladly policy lynch you every gameday of every game I play until you stop purposefully annoying me and getting me to replace out

[Toranaga]

I think you're scum

I tried my very best to not engage with you this game in any meaningful way but here we are. yes I shouldn't have joined the game. A50 asked me to and I think he is awesome so I did. big mistake.

[Toranaga]

I think you're scum and I explained my reasoning, which isn't anything you're interested in debating re: me and cheeky being aligned, elsa and thor being aligned. funny you say elsa and thor are aligned, and then vote chickadee? there's no chickadee in your reads lists there. the things I mentioned are why I think you're scum.

you should die, not because you're scum, but because you're trying to kill town. so even if whoever can't read you and doesn't agree you're scummy, they can still go back to d1 and read your awful tunnels on town players and realise this needs to die. I explained it, but I don't mind doing it again, that you die tomorrow for your actions, not your words, and I hope town finally gets together and does it. if it's a policy lynch, then boo fucking hoo. get better and stop being complete aids to the games you're playing, thanks.

[Toranaga]

Tora Tora Tora!

Can you point to a scum game of yours so I can see how you respond to pressure as scum? You aren't town spewing like you did in Superheroes Wanted.

~D

you tunneled me until I was lynched, drixx

and now you're saying I was towny there, ok, sure

lemme find my scum games

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76985
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76395
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76996

[Toranaga]

you can scroll over my other games for more interesting stuff

[Toranaga]

you tunneled the towniest player in the game and the only reason you still even had a game, when I was tunneling scum and right about almost everything re: mechanics, and you were wrong, and you never cared about listening to me, right? I have no reason to believe you would now but goddammit it's nice to hear you thought I was towny in heroes wanted.

[Toranaga]

I'm not leaving

what other stuff? you wanna do drama, let's do drama. I have nothing to hide.

[Toranaga]

you're aids in every game I play with you

[Toranaga]

what other stuff? bring it up. I wanna respond.

[Toranaga]

I don't purposefully join your games, quite the opposite. I joined this one, yes, cause A50 asked.

the one I had to replace out was because you did something unexpectedly lame and I couldn't continue playing due to game integrity, yes?

[Toranaga]

yes but I'm innocent, RC.

[Toranaga]

twin trap was the only game you managed to correctly read me and that was because of cheeky teeky being on the hydra with me

you know your history of reading me is not any good, right?

[Toranaga]

I'm always nice to everyone

I'm not nice to you because you do this to me every game we play

you talked about self awareness, right? go back and read the games you played with me. what did you do exclusively on d1?

[Toranaga]

how are you conftown?

do we have any reason to believe that? is it mechanical? is it just by the way you're acting?

[Toranaga]

I didn't start shit with you in either game. I don't follow you around obviously, I manage to be in several games at once without you ever being on them because this happens and isn't good for anybody.

I voted you cause I think you're scum. IIRC this vote is the first time I vote you, yes? you've been casing me for a while now, and I tried to shrug it off and not get on the 1v1, until your posting got even worse.

why are you conftown?

[Toranaga]

you put me on L-1 on twin trap IIRC. on page 2 or something. I was annoyed with it. I didn't play that game well anyway.

how's your history of reading me since, hmmm?

[Toranaga]

the turbo?

[Toranaga]

twin trap was what, 9 months ago?

I'm not talking about twin trap. I'm talking about recent things you know are wrong from your end. you know that, right? you know what I'm talking about.

[Toranaga]

you put me on L-1 on twin trap IIRC. on page 2 or something. I was annoyed with it. I didn't play that game well anyway.

how's your history of reading me since, hmmm?

We have
0
completed games since then you realize besides for the MU turbo?

yes but I'm talking to you. I'm not talking to the thread.

[Toranaga]

no man I don't think it is. but if we're 1v1ing it's where we're going to be.

[Toranaga]

I don't want you to respond, I want you to think

[Toranaga]

I'm not upset or anything, I'm here posting cause I wanna play mafia. sorry it got personal, I kinda just woke up

[Toranaga]

that's insane, though. SURVIVOR, mate that was a turbo lol. that game lasted for about an hour, and I think it was almost an year ago?

and yes the two times I incorrectly called you scum: that turbo, and twin trap. ok. should I never call you scum when I think you're scummy again? cause you've been annoying me the entire time you're here with your scumread on me that's as senseless as all the other times you read me scum, and from my recollection of us playing together you absolutely did nothing but call me scum apart from twin trap. and that's not a couple of games, that's quite a few.

so maybe you do your best to avoid me, or just take the scumread and vote for what they're worth, and I'm an open book to anything people wanna know.

[Toranaga]

you got me lynched 0 times in non ongoing games

[Toranaga]

and I'm not trying to see if I can lynch you, I'm trying to solve the game and I think you're scum.

[Toranaga]

"I don't like being scumread"

lmao

sure

just ignore me then

[Toranaga]

I'm not you, RC. I don't do these things for ego. I'm scumreading you thinking cheeky might be scum with me, and your elsa/thor team that makes no sense, and then voting chickadee instead of one of us 3 when she was not even in your reads initially.

[Toranaga]

so, ok

I'm replacing out since I'm now being called a sack of shit and I don't know how to defend or respond to these things without making the thread toxic

sorry cheeky, have fun everyone

bye

replace me out, sorry A50

[Toranaga]

why are you calling elsa a sack of shit?

[Toranaga]

my favorite game of mafia would have me and 12 elsa jays pocketing me btw

[Toranaga]

agree, I have no idea how bujaber thinks this is good resolving itself

I PM'ed A50 so I'm just waiting on the announcement

[Toranaga]

VOTE: bujaber

876 is eh

Agree.

yeah

I like some of bujaber's posting though so I'd check his ISO before wagoning him for this

[Toranaga]

should I stay, then?

drixx, I self voted cause that game was affecting my real life lol. getting rofl tunneled by town when I had done so much started to weigh on me emotionally and I didn't want to continue playing. and at no point did you give me any signs that you'd read my interpretation of the mechanics. you and almost everyone else there decided everyone who was supposed to vote for nero cain needed to die, which included the entire towncore we had. it ended up killing scum nancy for it, but it was wrong and you were supposed to know you can't read into mechanics the way you did because you didn't know the mechanics fully.

and tah-dah, scum had leader mechanics used that day

[Toranaga]

alright I'll stay

[Toranaga]

I'm not pissed off, buj

I had just woke up so thoughts were moody, but I'm cool.

[Toranaga]

how come we did not read the sentence "it's probably tvt" so far?

[Toranaga]

how come we did not read the sentence "it's probably tvt" so far?

Well then. That looked like TvT

Reminds me of Mollie and I. God I miss that girl

and there we go

I read both cheeky and drixx/cerb announced a townread on you in a way that made me feel they both have TMI on your alignment, which is the main reason I think you might be town after all, but I had in the back of my head that people townreading both me and RC instead of taking a stance on it would actually be scum here quite a lot so hmmmm

[Toranaga]

when I say TMI it's not a scumread on either, it's a "maybe they're in a neighborhood and mala claimed something" kind of read

[Toranaga]

the "you" is mala

and alright cheeky

yeah I don't like mala but I don't think mala and RC are aligned

[Toranaga]

I don't think RC's replace out was AI at all so my read on him is the same, I think he is scum. mala's posting is scummy but my read on the person watching a fight and going "it's tvt" requires the fight to be tvt. and there's early mala/RC stuff, from RC's side of things, that don't look like they're aligned either.

[Toranaga]

" but my read on the person watching a fight and going "it's tvt" requires the fight to be tvt"

lemme fix this sentence

when scum calls an argument between two players tvt, it's generally because it's tvt

[Toranaga]

I know what you're townreading on RC and it's similar with you townreading me calling your game crap when I was scum, just on a higher scale. I'm not reading into it, not saying you're wrong to be doing so, but I don't have a good grasp of what lines you have between you that would only be crossed here when he is town.

if you understand what I mean, cheeky.

[Toranaga]

I don't think RC's replace out was AI at all so my read on him is the same

It's 100% AI.

Do you believe scum RC would play dirty by using a rep out as scum to save any integrity on a scum slot? Do you believe that scum RC would've given up?

I don't really know. he replaced out as scum in a recent game though.

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76395

[Toranaga]

oops posted there instead lmao

he got replaced out, he didn't replace out himself

[Toranaga]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76395

Tor he was modkilled...

he was force replaced, not modkilled

I missed this context, I was checking it now too and realised it

I forgot this wasn't on purpose by rc

[Toranaga]

wolfiest votes on me

that's a tough question. I think skygazer and cerb/drixx are town. I don't understand why chickadee voted me, but I expect scum to scumsplain their votes instead of just saying they have nothing better to do. and then there's RC. I'm not letting the replace out change my read so it is what it is.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: malakittens

if I roll with your RC read, cheeky

this will be scum

[Toranaga]

cerb are you even town rn

[Toranaga]

if TPFKAP is really porkens, I bet it's town

[Toranaga]

Town:

Elsa Jay
Toogeloo
Chara
Chickadee
Skygazer

Maybetown?:

Malakittens
Thor665
Flicker

Null:

TPFKAP
NicoRobin

MaybeScum?:

Reasonably Rational
Nancy Drew Shogunate
CheekyTeeky

Scum:
northsidegal
BuJaber

Reads list is not set in stone, but is roughly in order based on my feelings at the present moment. Could probably elaborate on most of them. Not sure I would if asked.

if I turned this upside down it'd be much more accurate