Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Toranaga

I wanted first

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Is it bad that I townread everyone except RC, Tor and Chickadee?

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Ok add Elsa to the list and remove chick.

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no, that's a towny thought to have

I liked elsa's last post. reading too much into unimportant things and getting out of RVS

pedit: you're putting elsa on the not towny list? why is that?

Seems over dramatic and potentially TMI if RC is actually a mason. Don't see RC/Elsa being scum together though.

[CheekyTeeky]

oh it's overdramatic for sure, I just don't think it's fake. it's probably how elsa thinks

...O_o

^That's me watching you.

[CheekyTeeky]

oh it's overdramatic for sure, I just don't think it's fake. it's probably how elsa thinks

...O_o

^That's me watching you.

what happened to your eye?

<3

[CheekyTeeky]

im gonna fuck u all up losers

As scum or town?

[CheekyTeeky]

*strokes beard*

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XD ILU RC. I'm going to vanish now xx

VOTE: Elsa

[CheekyTeeky]

Cool let's see how that goes.

[CheekyTeeky]

Btw if you're both scum I'm going to stomp on you both so hard you'll wish you never got on this spaceship! You know who you are.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Toranaga

[CheekyTeeky]

in a Multiball game

Has it been confirmed that this is a multiball?

[CheekyTeeky]

it's a new player thinking new player things I'm almost sure

hes not new though

but i give you a 10/10 for effort though

if he is not new, he is not from a time where people opened with fake claims, or he wouldn't react like he did regardless of alignment.

He is from that time. He's also from a time of RC fake claiming as either alignment.

Particularly bad is that RC claimed masons with NSG who he can read accurately very well...but he did it before she posted, so rather than the mason claim coming from a towny POV where one town player tries to save another, it's more likely to come from early game self-preservation that shows TMI on NSGs alignment, if it's a fake claim.

So either it's a fake scum claim or the claim is real. A goid way to find out is to pressure the claimant (hence mala is town) or let it play out (hence elsa is scum for intercepting the reactions to votes and assuming it's true, taking a particularly LAMIST approach).

[CheekyTeeky]

i was mostly announcing my intent to sheep NSG if I end up townreading her.

I figured but I'm coming from the viewpoint on page 1 that everyone is arguing over.

[CheekyTeeky]

was this a position you developed as the conversation about that post developed?

This.

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I'm really sad you rolled scum again Tor :/

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you totally can't, you only got there last game because you were pretty sure I was subbing into scum anyway and then I was literally caught next gameday after convincing you I was town.

You convinced me you were town with AtE. I read you just fine until you started calling me shit which I thought you wouldn't stoop to as scum. We'll see, but saying I can't read you doesn't mean I shouldn't try and it's creeping me the eff out that you're talking to us like you know we're town.

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idk my selective memory allows me to remember twin trap

that's the game I was hydraing with cheeky teeky you genius

You mean the one you were convinced RC was scum and I had to reassure you multiple times he wasnt?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh god NSG is scummy...

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Oh god NSG is scummy...

how?

Tone. Stiff. Forced. Gut.

Will let you breathe for now I trust RCs read on you so it'll become more obvious with time.

[CheekyTeeky]

i can claim a scumread on you if you like

Qui?

[CheekyTeeky]

TW how do you know flicker?

[CheekyTeeky]

Joke went over too many heads.

Mod did not, nor did I ask, reveal my flavor. I don't know what I am.

Why did you feel the need to reiterate this?

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Why did you feel the need to reiterate this?

Because apparently people took me seriously when I claimed to be a Reaver.

I've seen the series in full probably a dozen times, and the movie even more times. I thought it would be an apparent attempt at jest.

Ok that makes sense. I noticed you said you didn't know your role again, after you were townread for it...which reminds me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Toogeloo's reveal of role PM info also seems towny.

Why was that towny but not chickadee doing the same thing first?

[CheekyTeeky]

TheWorst - do you know Flicker from outside this game?

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Cheeky can you link me the AtE stuff that you're talking about from Toranaga?

Would be much halp ty

Wut? You mean the post where I explained some of my reads about the Elsa thing?

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Also, I can answer how I know TW, if you want. (I know some people don't like others answering questions not directed at them.

Please do or we'll have roast duck for dinner.

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Cheeky can you link me the AtE stuff that you're talking about from Toranaga?

Would be much halp ty

Wut? You mean the post where I explained some of my reads about the Elsa thing?

Oh nvm I'll find it hold up.

[CheekyTeeky]

Er...it's under my alt. Find a game with me, a50 and Tor.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually Tor can you link him to your AtE?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok cool ty <3

[CheekyTeeky]

Tfw we're all now just having our own conversations in tandem.

Whoever hasn't appeared yet is gonna have a nightmare reading this.

Yeah seriously.

Sorry slackers.

[CheekyTeeky]

Please do or we'll have roast duck for dinner.

Actually, now that I think about it for more than two seconds, I'm not 100% sure I can? But I can give you a hint: check my signature.

Oh ok. How experienced are you in mafia?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh ok. How experienced are you in mafia?

Not very. My wiki's 99% up-to-date, if you want to see specifics. (I just haven't added this game yet, otherwise it'd be at 100%.)

Thanks so much. How do you feel about TW at the moment?

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Announcement

A sample Role PM has been added at the bottom of post #1

Best mod ever! <3

[CheekyTeeky]

Something between flicker/TW definitely feels weird to me.

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I'd be ultimately townreading a couple of things TW said so far (I like his entrance and like his snark @ RC at some point) but I know TW can be a lot townier than this and I don't like his actual thoughts in the game so far. feels noncomittal and lacks depth.

This post is very contridictory. >.>

[CheekyTeeky]

Perhaps they're a Masonry.

I lol'd at this. *note to self: do not be fooled by Elsa's charm*

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I think Flicker is town too. I'm going to have to put theworst in the ?? Bucket with NSG.

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Can you elaborate on why TW and NSG are in your ??? bucket?

Because I feel weird about their posting so far but can't provide evidence to one alignment or the other.

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Something between flicker/TW definitely feels weird to me.

i felt the exact same thing.

i think flicker is scum for a very underwhelming opening and a lack of content where i would expect content to be. 63 is essentially RVS at a point beyond when real reads could already have begun to form. she has to be asked specifically about reads by tw before saying anything, and even then i don't think there's much. a lot of the rest of what she's had has been simple straightforward explanations (inherently NAI content wise) or just asking people for reads (gets townread a lot more than it probably should).

What relationship between them do you think is most likely?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: NSG

VOTE: nsg

Loool.

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i hope you realize that if i was scum i would be lurking now waiting for someone to get you angry so that you'd tunnel them and ignore me.

Why do you think RC isn't tunneling anyone yet and what do you make of his mason claim with you?

[CheekyTeeky]

What relationship between them do you think is most likely?

what do you mean? well, i think i understand what you mean (if i think they're t/s or s/s or whatever), i guess i just don't really get the purpose of the question. are you asking me for my read on tw?

i think it's plausible that tw and flicker are both scum but anything i would say to that end would basically just be conjecture.

It felt like you were saying SvS in your preceding post, just wanted to see your thought process.

[CheekyTeeky]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

Are you agreeing with him?

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i hope you realize that if i was scum i would be lurking now waiting for someone to get you angry so that you'd tunnel them and ignore me.

Why do you think RC isn't tunneling anyone yet and what do you make of his mason claim with you?

well, nobody's tried to policy lynch him or anything yet. i don't know - it's not like i expect that of every game RC's in, it's just what i would be hoping for if i were scum.

i don't think it's really all that important to focus on.

It could be. Its the one thing holding me back from a full town read.

[CheekyTeeky]

that I haven't derptunneled anyone?

Yeah. That and your reaction to my early scum push on you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Is it bad that I townread everyone except RC, Tor and Chickadee?

its bad that you dont townread me

im gonna fuck u all up losers

you're all bad at mafia and should feel bad

im gonna fuck u all up losers

As scum or town?

im gonna fuck u all up losers

As scum or town?

i'm scum

This reaction. It's the weirdest entrance I've seen from you to date.

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this is what my reaction looks like when I don't think I'm at threat of being mislynched.

Bullshit.

[CheekyTeeky]

this is what my reaction looks like when I don't think I'm at threat of being mislynched.

Bullshit.

push on me then.

No I want you to keep sheeping NSG for reasons. Speaking of sheep...sky is awfully quiet.

[CheekyTeeky]

I keep triggering myself to remember things. No idea if they're online. Just saying.

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Are you saying that you're fine with me being potentially scum as long as I just attach my vote to NSG?

No? Why would that be your interpretation of what I said when I clearly said "reasons"

How is "reasons" ambiguous to anyone?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ducky...since when did you try so hard?

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I don't understand what reasons means, so.

Lol it's a joke. Keep doing what you're doing.

[CheekyTeeky]

anyway her last few posts are better.

welcome aboard

yup

Are you agreeing with him?

yeah I thought that post nsg made scumreading flicker was scummy, but when she reiterated RC should "wait" on his read and what she'd do as scum instead, I really feel that comes from town!nsg quite often. her self meta feels genuine too. she doesn't post as scum and would wait for RC to choke himself instead of arguing with him and being ITT like she is, at least from what I know of her scum game.

Then why didn't you unvote her?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ducky...since when did you try so hard?

when's the last time you saw me?

When my scumteam set the record for best scumteam of all time in mulch's game.

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Pls respond to me cheeky

I'll respond to anything except how I feel about you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

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Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

Sweet. Does pretty sure mean you always lynch them on this phase and nothing they could say short of a corroborated mason claim might slow you down? If not, what does it mean?

-Cerb

No. Doubt = zero means that. It means everyone should wagon him asap so I'll know for sure.

[CheekyTeeky]

what kind of question is that?

A leading question, like the rest of his questions directed at me...

Any meta on this one?

[CheekyTeeky]

Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

why don't you give me a reason? so far you're just calling me scum for nothing

My reason is that I've played enough with you to know you're better than this and you take a more aggressive stance which inadvertently leaves you leading the town. You're sheeping, tmi'ing, and not bouncing reads off me at all, which you do when you think I'm town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also your PoV is intricate, you're just voting without any of tge unique insight that I love about your town game.

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Pedit - cheeky does seem townie but last time she was town I scumread her I'm pretty sure so I think I might have to look for inverse tells.

You scumread me in a game where the only person who knew me was NM and he didn't say much did he lol. This game at least half the playerlist knows me so it's likely I don't need to be so serious to be taken seriously.

Why are you voting Tor?

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and I was bouncing reads off of you until you went "blablabla I'm so sad you're scum"

you're not bouncing reads off of me, not the other way around

True I guess we were disagreeing on Elsa. But why would you stop just because I called you scum? That doesn't change the way you see my alignment and it in no way helps me to correct my read if you withdraw?

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Guys I'm pretty sure Tor is scum.

why don't you give me a reason? so far you're just calling me scum for nothing

My reason is that I've played enough with you to know you're better than this and you take a more aggressive stance which inadvertently leaves you leading the town. You're sheeping, tmi'ing, and not bouncing reads off me at all, which you do when you think I'm town.

I like my own posting :shrug:

I don't wanna be aggressive, because if I'm aggressive I'll self vote and tell everyone to go fuck themselves because I don't wanna deal with any of your tunnels right now. I don't like playing with RC, I don't like being pushed for nothing scummy I did or because I'm being misinterpreted and I find your way of reading me through having me getting wagoned pretty annoying but I don't wanna be a dick so I'm not being one.

You do realise I'm immune to this after last game right? It also doesn't explain why you're sheeping the lynchbait votes.

[CheekyTeeky]

i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

Why? What makes you think only town don't know wwho they are?

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Lmao.

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Tor what do you think the chances of NSG/RC/you/me are all town?

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Tor what do you think the chances of NSG/RC/you/me are all town?

I think you're all town

Top 3 scumreads?

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Tor what do you think the chances of NSG/RC/you/me are all town?

I think you're all town

Top 3 scumreads?

I don't have a single scumread right now.

What would you think if I said I townread >6 people and didn't have a single scumread?

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i wanted to vote chicka but i feel like 10 is town spewy

Why? What makes you think only town don't know wwho they are?

thats not it, i dont think scum would post anything role pm indicative before the sample pm was posted

that's so smart

Yeah actually that is.

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What do you think about TW and Mala?

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I had the strong impression when people were pushing elsa, that scum had to be pushing elsa too cause he was so towny it made no sense that so many people were piling on him.

That boggles my mind. It was the scummiest thing I saw, but in the same token why would scum stick out their necks so far in RVS.

I don't know if I'm tunneling you because I'm scared you'll fool me again or if there's genuine reason underlying my bad feeling with you this game.

Time wil tell.

UNVOTE: will reread the game later. Sorry everyone for overposting.

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There has definitely been scum-motivated thread inflation going on throughout the game anyway. That part is obvious.

Why is it obviously scum-motivated?

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NSG is my Scum buddy

Fixed that for you.

Now 2 people have decided to vote a Mason claim.

I appear to have been put into a ship of crazy people.

Must Update my Captain's log.

This doesn't make sense to me at all. How can you joke about his claim and then berate others for not taking it seriously?

I literally had no reason to disbelieve your claim, RC. Just thought you were getting any protective roles on either you or North real quick in a Multiball game.

I don't buy this.

Calling it scummy is just weird as heck though.

Weird? Why not sort the reactions to your behaviour?

VOTE: NSG

Finally, a united front.

This is literally the only mention of NSG. In total Elsa has voted 2 people, mala/NSG and then unvoted both. Their whole ISO is fluff/defending themself/two random votes. Zero stances on anyone. How Tor finds them townie is beyond me.

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{Mala}
{BuJaber, Flicker, Chick, RC, Reasonably Rational, Toogeloo}
{NicoRobin}
{NSG, Skygazer, TheWorst}
{Elsa, Toranaga}

Zero posters: Randomidget, Thor*, TPFKAP.

*only one to have confirmed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Talk me through your Bujaber townread?

I'm leaning town on him taking some pretty hard stances early.

[CheekyTeeky]

RC what do you think about the multiball possibility?

[CheekyTeeky]

I read ISOs put them where I feel them. You get more elaborate reads as this game progresses but for now that's where I'm at.

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Nope. I'm sure I'll townread her eventually if she's town.

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It's weird because I'm not even confident enough to vote anyone rn.

VOTE: Elsa Jay oh well.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Reasonably reasonable

[CheekyTeeky]

Boo.

[CheekyTeeky]

TW vote with me and my scumread.

[CheekyTeeky]

Will you vote if I say yes?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay! Let's get this one to L-2 at least.

[CheekyTeeky]

Good duck! I'm going to bed. Ngl it's very strange that noone is scumreading me.

[CheekyTeeky]

you seem way, way, way too enthusiastic about this game to be scum.

There's a glimmer of hope that this will be a kick ass game.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Thor

[CheekyTeeky]

RR you need to sort out your partner and give some solid unified opinions. Consider this a temporary reprieve.

[CheekyTeeky]

RR you need to sort out your partner and give some solid unified opinions. Consider this a temporary reprieve.

This makes me not want to actually give you any opinions on principle.

And this is in spite of a decision made by Drixx and myself to actually give reads D1, which is something we NEVER do.

So, eh, fuck yourself. No offense intended.

We'll see what he says. But yeah, that's my initial reaction to that particular demand.

-Cerb

Sweet maybe we should just quick lynch you so we don't have to constantly deal with "wait for drixx this or drixx that" it's annoying af.

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That is your prerogative. R

It's also ridiculous for you to be THIS impatient barely 24 hours into the day, particularly when there are people who have literally said nothing.

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not asking for you to solve this game. I would like to hear your opinions on players while you're here. I know you guys don't want cogdis but whats the point of you posting if we can't see where you stand on people. When I hydra I post my opinions and state them as such. If you're worried about people who have said nothing then make something happen? I may come across as impatient but I just want to say x is town and move on so we can hopefully lynch scum D1.

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To be clear, I'm not misunderstanding what you're asking for, I just fail to see the reason for the false urgency. *shrug*

False urgency? As in I'm pretending to be urgent or that I'm not understanding that there's no need for me to sort people asap?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ftr your response to me has been the towniest thing you've done so you're welcome.

[CheekyTeeky]

I couldn't possibly care less what people think about how towny I am. Unless there's a mechanic in play where it matters

You mean like getting lynched?

[CheekyTeeky]

Must you be so fucking obtuse?

Yes it's hilarious. I'll leave you alone now though.

Ducky what do you think about Thor?

[CheekyTeeky]

Tor, Thor, RR locktown. Elsa conf neutral.

VOTE: NicoRobin

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Cheeky are you just scumreading me and doing the opposite of what my reads dictate?

No...

Dude Tor is town. He's egotistical af about his Elsa read which scum Tor can't do. His pushes are good.

Thor is pretty obv town in relation to the Elsa claim.

RR wouldn't get baited so easily as scum imo.


I'm not trying to spite you.

[CheekyTeeky]

But Thor has massive scum equity here

Explain.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok Ill unlock Thor but I townread him currently.

[CheekyTeeky]

How's your NSG read holding? TW?

[CheekyTeeky]

Mala when do you think you'll have time to catch up?

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol ok, look forward to that.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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Jfc wtf are you idiots doing?

[CheekyTeeky]

Toranaga is town you derp heads.

[CheekyTeeky]

RC you're not making sense. This shit is so disingenuous. Chick vote was wolfy af btw.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tor stop engaging him, I don't want another 2 pages of this shit.

Pedit oh wtf don't leave!!

[CheekyTeeky]

Because they're scum it's nothing personal

You're scum. I hate you for making him leave.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: bujaber

876 is eh

Agree.

[CheekyTeeky]

And fuck you if you think I'd do this as scum cheeky

Why does it always have to end like this?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

Yes stay Tor.

[CheekyTeeky]

Treating RC and tora like they're a couple of china teacups. They're both grownups who know what to do if shit gets too far.

I didn't say anything wrong. Just that their arguing is good because it makes them easier to read.

So what's your read on them?

[CheekyTeeky]

Then when Tora replaced out he did. Because he would have lost the empathy votes.

What do you mean by empathy votes?

[CheekyTeeky]

I can't see scum RC replacing out here.

[CheekyTeeky]

I love playing with both RC and Tor but they just can't coexist :/

[CheekyTeeky]

BuJaber obviously RC repped out because he was upset.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't have TMI on mala's alignment, I may have jumped the gun in reading her early aggression as towny.

[CheekyTeeky]

You can't believe RC is still scum?

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I don't think RC's replace out was AI at all so my read on him is the same

It's 100% AI.

Do you believe scum RC would play dirty by using a rep out as scum to save any integrity on a scum slot? Do you believe that scum RC would've given up?

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I don't think RC's replace out was AI at all so my read on him is the same

It's 100% AI.

Do you believe scum RC would play dirty by using a rep out as scum to save any integrity on a scum slot? Do you believe that scum RC would've given up?

I don't think RC's replace out was AI at all so my read on him is the same

It's 100% AI.

Do you believe scum RC would play dirty by using a rep out as scum to save any integrity on a scum slot? Do you believe that scum RC would've given up?

I don't really know. he replaced out as scum in a recent game though.

Link me please?

[CheekyTeeky]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76395

Tor he was modkilled...

[CheekyTeeky]

Tor what are the wolfiest votes on you rn?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Malakittens

[CheekyTeeky]

{Toranaga, RR}
{BuJaber, Chick, RC,TW, Toogeloo}
{Elsa, Thor, Randomidget}
{NSG, mala, NicoRobin, Flicker}
{TPFKAP, Skygazer}

[CheekyTeeky]

Attention

Attention, please!

It has come to my attention that things are starting to get overly heated.

I would very much appreciate it if the parties involved were to step back for a little time while I try to resolve this.

Everybody else (who has not been a part of this) can continue to play normally. Just please remember this is a game, and I want it to be FUN (and believe me

it is

if you just play Mafia and keep the personal stuff away. I

promise

most of you will pre-in for the next Overkill episode although I have yet to finish the setup/flavor for it to even consider submitting it for preview.)

Thank you

/prein

[CheekyTeeky]

{Toranaga, RR}
{BuJaber, Chick, RC,TW, Toogeloo}
{Elsa, Thor, Randomidget}
{NSG, mala, NicoRobin, Flicker}
{TPFKAP, Skygazer}

I like that you nearly put me exactly in the middle in your town reads.

Was that intentional?

I don't know where to put 3p lol

[CheekyTeeky]

Oooo an upgrade. This'll be interesting.

[CheekyTeeky]

I could lynch Thor.

[CheekyTeeky]

I could lynch Thor.

I could lynch Thor.

Or maybe the slot that's been being scummy all game, even taking to account the user having a bad day?

What am I missing there, Cheeky? Why do people still seem adverse to the RC slot being gone?

My brain is fried. I don't understand what you're saying.

[CheekyTeeky]

why do ya care so much about scum hunting if you're third party survivor?

Why are you adverse to Elsa helping town?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think it's a better if we sort around the RC slot for now. There could still be a replacement coming.

[CheekyTeeky]

NSG can you case flicker please?

[CheekyTeeky]

If flicker is voting for BuJaber do you think it's possible one of your reads could be wrong?

[CheekyTeeky]

if you think rc is town you should also probably think mala is town,

I understand you think mala is town just because RC thinks Mala is town. Is that the only reason because I find that hard to believe?

[CheekyTeeky]

1) Flicker has enough content that anything I say couldn't be explained away by it just being early in the day
2) A case I make is actually likely to make progress towards getting Flicker lynched and not just having random votes on and off the wagon?

A case is what you make it, it doesn't have to be big or elaborate, just something to help others see what it is you're seeing.

2 doesn't make sense to me - is it a self-defeatist statement? Are you saying "why bother trying?"

[CheekyTeeky]

which I don't think is unreasonable

Have you seen RC read mala correctly in the past?

[CheekyTeeky]

Aw and yay Chara!

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok that makes sense. Thanks NSG.

[CheekyTeeky]

I mean there are a few things that aren't adding up for me to townread NSG but RC is good at reading her so I don't know rn. I wish Mathdino was here. Chara I'll sheep your read on NSG.

[CheekyTeeky]

"looks tvt" is a way to appease both parties and something I expect to come more from scum than town,

Why would mala need to appease you both?

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NSG naturally posting in the thread makes her town. it's not a hard read cause her town/scum ranges are imbalanced.

Sometimes I wonder if people don't give her scumgame enough credit. I'm pretty sure NSG is aware of what people expect and able to adjust if need be. Meta aside she hasn't done anything particularly townie and I feel there is some subconscious cogdis in her posting.

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i think flicker is probably scum and i think she probably lives very far into the game (maybe even endgame if we lose) if i don't put effort into getting her lynched

that's not a promise of effort, just a reflection on myself and the way games have been going for me recently.

NSG can you case flicker please?

Here's the thing: do you think we're far enough into the day that:

1) Flicker has enough content that anything I say couldn't be explained away by it just being early in the day
2) A case I make is actually likely to make progress towards getting Flicker lynched and not just having random votes on and off the wagon?

These aren't rhetorical questions, they're just completely serious questions. Part of the reason why sometimes I guess I don't do much is because I very much so like to give things time so that people can produce enough content where either their newer content makes me rethink my read from their earlier posting, or they have enough posts such that anything I bring up is actually meaningful and won't just be overlooked as an artifact of it being early on in the game.

Like here TW. It makes me feel like her first statement regarding flicker is disingenuous.

NSG: I believe flicker is scum and will probs endgame if I don’t push to lynch them.
Cheeky: case?
NSG: it's too early to case.

I will say I like her thoughts regarding BuJaber though.

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I'm starting to think the ducky is town. If he's scum I'd be impressed.

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Yeah it's probably me just being overly paranoid.

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I kinda townread Tora switching to a hydra account.

...?

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VOTE: BuJaber

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+1 wagon jump to the counter.

What's the point of this? What is yout read on me?

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So tell me why are you townreading RC atm?

RC is locktown for his argument with Tor and the following replaceout.

Yeah I'm like 90% sure you're scum now.

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{Toranaga, RR, Chara}
{Chick, TW, NSG}
{Elsa, Thor, Randomidget, skygazer}
{mala, NicoRobin, Flicker, Toogeloo}
{TPFKAP, BuJaber}

Pedit - yep. I know him quite well and would bet the game on him being town now.

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Rereading Flicker I think they're towny. I look forward to some real substance behind the wagon on her at some point because I don't understand it.

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BuJaber are you just skim reading the thread because your minicase on me only makes sense if you're not reading properly. Your reads are extremely surface level and whilst you feign frustration at not being able to sort the RC slot you suddenly jump on Flicker without reason.

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I'm not frustrated for not being able to sort RC. I'm frustrated that because he replaced nobody is going to want to lynch chara now. And the slot will live until at least tomorrow

So you progress your case on RC by jumping onto Flicker?

Can you explain your Tor read progression to me?

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I'd rather be insulted personally than have my reads be called extremely surface level actually.. this is some extreme undermining of my though process.

I mean you effing townread Tor for getting a hydra partner. You call me sheepy instead of seeing how I've been pushing people I'm wagoning and constantly updating my reads...wtf am I supposed to think when it looks like you're either not reading or you're scum trying to jump on any reason to scumread someone who's widely townread for a reason.

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Pedit: who's not reading now. Why are you reading only my last pages? I'm giving naked reads on these 2 because I've talked about them a lot already

I have read your ISO and seen your reads on both. I still don't understand how the things you're pointing out about RC make him scum.

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I feel like you'd be angry and more tunnely in response to me if you were town but I'll stop breathing down your neck now.

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I've argued to the point of replacing out twice. I'm starting to realize the signs of a dead end argument.

Then how can you not see from a townRC pov??

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I've argued with you til we both ended up losing. This feels very different.

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coming around to bujaber being town

@cheeky, why are you so strongly townreading RR?

Similar logic to your townread on Mala - RR and RC townread each other and are familiar with each other lol.

Actually it's mainly their response to me poking them earlier. I don't think scum get baited as easily as town when I'm being a derp.

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Also don't be fooled by BuJaber - he can wall just fine as scum if you look at Clownspiracy. What differentiates his town/scum meta is the quality of his thoughts/tone. Both are meh this game.

Pedit he thought you guys weren't scum and told me locktowning Thor was a bad idea.

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I hate push backs against townreads :/ it makes me think I was wrong almost every time.

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Oh ok I miss-remembered.

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@Tor thoughts on RR and Thor?

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The fact that their initial proposal was being leashed...bothers me. I don't know them well enough to know if scum them would realize that being leashed would be the best way to avoid questions about their doctor choices in the future, as well as minimize the chances that any other scum, if such exists, would shoot at them, since they wouldn't actually be stopping kills.

I was hoping someone wouldn't bring this up, now they're alert to the fact that noone is giving them a heal target for a reason and they'll likely be more careful about their selection. I guess it's easy enough just to heal a credible villa either way. I have been keeping my opinion on Elsa pretty close to my chest. I particularly dislike the "pocketed" thing going on between Elsa/Tor but don't know what to make of it yet.

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The fact that their initial proposal was being leashed...bothers me. I don't know them well enough to know if scum them would realize that being leashed would be the best way to avoid questions about their doctor choices in the future, as well as minimize the chances that any other scum, if such exists, would shoot at them, since they wouldn't actually be stopping kills.

I was hoping someone wouldn't bring this up, now they're alert to the fact that noone is giving them a heal target for a reason and they'll likely be more careful about their selection. I guess it's easy enough just to heal a credible villa either way. I have been keeping my opinion on Elsa pretty close to my chest. I particularly dislike the "pocketed" thing going on between Elsa/Tor but don't know what to make of it yet.

it just benefits elsa the most to give the target. he becomes someone no one will want dead for the rest of the game. it's of little utility for us, it doesn't trouble scum, and elsa isn't town numbers so he will never be a problem as long as he is faithful to his heal.

I find it hard to believe they have this level of sophistication but they couldn't tell RC's mason claim was a joke.

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Me believing the Mason claim was me sighing in relief at an easy heal target. Clearly that didnt go well.

Why do you want an easy heal target? Is your role compulsive?

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Wait so you're an Ascetic healer with 1x bp?

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gah.

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Ok so maybe we do leash Elsa then? I do like the idea of saving a strong townie.

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then why was it scummy that I asked to do that earlier? To be on that "leash"?

As RR said it's an easy way for a scumdoctor to relinquish responsibility for choosing a target i.e. we can't read your alignment based on your protects if you're leashed.

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You guys are weird.

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Flicker what are your thoughts on NSGs push on you?

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VOTE: NicoRobin

I find her thread presence (or rather, lack thereof) highly unsatisfactory.

What do you think about TPFKAP's presence?

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It's even weirder that Cerb asks Elsa to scumhunt and makes threats after telling me to eff off when I asked them to coordinate and do the same. Le sigh.

Chara I need your reads. Please come soon.

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Tor you're being dumb about RC.

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Nico and Rando both lurking is NAI ime.

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What presence?

Exactly. I think Flicker said she'd answer this when she wakes up so we'll see.

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Porkens wouldn't scum read me, Tor and RC though :/

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Why would ducky replace?? The faq.

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VOTE: Jingle

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I still think Flicker is town NSG.

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Why would ducky replace?? The faq.

it seems to be site wide and i would guess it's really not something you should factor into your read on the slot

Agreed. What's a little heckling though XD

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Yes, EJ, that's your reasoning. Thor on the other hand is a player best summed up by the posts:

1 day and 20 pages?

Yeah - I'm skipping all of that.
Off of Page 1 I liked Elsa and Toranaga.
Is anyone in quickMjolnir range yet?

Then let's give someone that power;

Vote:Reasonably Rational

He's got this thing where he likes his hammer, and he likes his wagons. So the fact that he's ignoring the big wagon to jump onto the vanity wagon is pretty eyebrow raisy, and I want him to explain why.

Your presence on the pile of consonants and vowels wagon is less striking, given that it matches to your claimed role and desires. I also dig the fact you're trying to get the infos, as it makes me think you're townsiding.

This matched my thinking exactly - he vanity wagoned on me when he was scum in another game. I guess his initial behaviour around Elsa's claim could be LAMIST rather than Town Indicative.

VOTE: Thor

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Tor what happened to your scumread on Mala?

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Tor what happened to your scumread on Mala?

Did you answer this?

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Hey Gamma

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I do have a list of people I'm planning on poking/don't care about at the moment.

@BuJaber

Hoping I'm a "don't care about" read.

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Jingle am I wrong in assuming your confident scumread is on Thor?

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If he did I'd be heartbroken.

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Oh man I had to go back and double check I was voting Flicker. That last Flicker post was bad.

Why was it bad?

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Oh man I had to go back and double check I was voting Flicker. That last Flicker post was bad.

Why was it bad?

The posts they quoted are NAI

The same could be said about a lot of posts people make. Why is this instance particularly scummy to you? Do you feel like it was an obvious scum stretch to shade someone?

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I have that effect

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@Thor
@Chara
@Tor

Thoughts on Flicker?

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Ok I'm ready for the next L-2/L-1 wagon. Don't think you guys are going to get anything out of Porkens with more pressure so maybe vote the person who's inexplicably defending them?

VOTE: Flicker

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Starting to think you're scum again my bro.

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Oooo how can I say no to that?

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Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

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Not sure if Tor or NSG is scummier should Flicker flip town.

I think she is towny :shrug:

I felt that too, but are you certain? Could you please relook?