Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[Garmr]

VOTE: XxdarkfrostxX

Fixed

VOTE: IO

oh duel mechanics. Who wants to bet someone throws rushes it.

[Garmr]

Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.

[Garmr]

Can we like kill both if people decide to duel like in transformers mafia.

[Garmr]

Can we like kill both if people decide to duel like in transformers mafia.

I so want to duel you now.

Why?

[Garmr]

Can we like kill both if people decide to duel like in transformers mafia.

I so want to duel you now.

Why?

Because you said you wanted to lynch both parties involved in a duel.

It works better because it will prevent scum from abusing it.

[Garmr]

VOTE: neither
Does this kill them both.

[Garmr]

Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.

lol, I was thinking of reading people this way...

btw, the game is nightless, so isn't dueling in the early game phases like super harmful?

Because of white flag? Maybe but like ... towncred + potentially killing a townie + veng kill if they lose.

wait, what?
are you talking about town or mafia? I'm not following

Garmr was saying scum have no incentive to duel. I was correcting him.

I wanted to make the duel mechanic a town tool and deny the scum the ability to do so. So if you duel you sacrifice yourself but you kill your scum read. It would stop scum from using it if everyone followed through that way but.... I don't think we can have them shoot each other like in transformers mafia so that ruins my plan.

[Garmr]

Still a bad plan gramr.
If someone kills scum there’s no reason to lynch them.

Oh I'm not sure you catching what i'm saying.

In the other game you could vote to let one live. But you could also vote to watch

both die at the same time before night.

So what you could do is get two lynches in one day if you vote to kill both. Making everyone agree vote to double death makes it so scum would have to sacrifice themselves to abuse the duel mechanic.

[Garmr]

Still a bad plan gramr.
If someone kills scum there’s no reason to lynch them.

Oh I'm not sure you catching what i'm saying.

In the other game you could vote to let one live. But you could also vote to watch

both die at the same time before night.

So what you could do is get two lynches in one day if you vote to kill both. Making everyone agree vote to double death makes it so scum would have to sacrifice themselves to abuse the duel mechanic.

Nah, I getcha.

I think you're wrong.

Like, here let me draw a diagram for ya.

So it's 7v3, correct? A TvT duel is significantly more likely than a TvS duel. TvT is currently 67% chance and TvS is a 33% chance (assuming a townie initiates a duel which in your world only tonwies would start duels). This baiscally means if a townie dueled right now there is a 67% chance we would lynch 2 townies in your plan. As a reminder scum need 4 mislynches to win. Meaning this only needs to happen 2 times and we lose in your plan. You would be better off arguing we do not use duels period rather than following this plan which has a very good chance to end poorly for us.

The benefits of my plan don't work well with maths alone.

1.Scum lose access to duel mechanic if everyone goes through with it.
2.It would allows some leeway for town to duel.
3.It's more achievable than no one duels.


Prerequisites for it to work.
1-It was supposed to be used cautiously like barely any duels ever.
2-Everyone to agree to kill both.
3J-Rc wasn't in the game jokes.
Actual 3-Enough townies aren't stupid. It allows leeway for 1.

[Garmr]

I'll catch another scum in six days

@everyone can I get some reads?

I'm not going to talk about you.

Ejji and Nick are my scumleans..

PP is null {PP + Walt not a team}

Garmr seems townie

All I done so far was try and set up the game so yolo duels are to be avoided and take the duel mechanics away from scums hand. I haven't actually gave out my reads yet because I'm trying to make judgement on certain scenario. Thanks for the town read through.

[Garmr]

I'll catch another scum in six days

@everyone can I get some reads?

I'm not going to talk about you.

Ejji and Nick are my scumleans..

PP is null {PP + Walt not a team}

Garmr seems townie

All I done so far was try and set up the game so yolo duels are to be avoided and take the duel mechanics away from scums hand. I haven't actually gave out my reads yet because I'm trying to make judgement on certain scenario. Thanks for the town read through.

And how did preventing yolo duels go for you?

^pretty much answered in the post before not good.

[Garmr]

I was thinking your outburst felt forced, I mean you practically said it unprovoked just because someone joked about dealing you.

Not a day 1 without some RC tale of woe.

@garmr - who have you played with before from this playerlist?

Oh didn't see this managed to catch it when looking through my side gir I mean my bae's iso. iso.

-RC
-IO
-Wh4t and penguin power.
-yourself

and I think that's it.

[Garmr]

Well i'm running two scenario's in my head. Normally I decide on one but last game (the one with IO) I came to the conclusion it worth mentioning my other idea.

Rc-town
1.has regrets about duelling after a fun person replaces into the slot
2.Rc would do stupid quick duels like this and that's why everyone loves rc

Rc is scum-
1.RC picked a policy duel over a scum read duel.
2.RC Would also be brave enough to do gambits.


Other reads.
Io-I have a slight town read on her. The only reason is only slight is because I feel she is a strong enough player to pull her current game style as scum. Also I feel like she's probing me a little by challenging the situation I set up which I like. I mean it's entirely possible that I'm setting up a situation where scum would benefit(which I wasn't) So it's good to enquire.

ejjinami-Says a whole of nothing a big fluff poster but the fluff isn't the joke game but the kind that looks like they are doing something. Can anyone confirm this is their playstyle/meta. Otherwise scum read.

Bujaber-I like the slot so far null-townie. I just think they are to quick to rush a town read on me.

walt- I don't scum read this slot. I can understand the reaction to rc. That being said the only post I don't like from him through is post 143 it seems like it's supposed to be emotional but comes off as fake. I also don't think that RC-scum/town would dis-include walt from being the same alignment.


If your not on the list you aren't interesting enough yet. Get to it.



P:edit I think penguin power was a mod and not a player in the game in the list of players I played with derp.

[Garmr]

I'm going to see how penguin behaves before I make any judgements decide who to lynch. But If penguin seems town or even null I'm inclined to lynch Rc.

Can we all agree to lynch me but I get to choose the duel for tomorrow?

No.

[Garmr]

Yeah but you're scum garmr so you wouldn't want that.

I'm talking to people who aren't.

Yeah me being scum is the only possible reason to not follow your insanely good judgement .

I'll still want to see how Penguin power reacts I vote.

[Garmr]

You've been scum since before you said that.

Ok then enlighten me.

[Garmr]

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Seems like to me your trying to bait me into voting you to rush the day. I'm not going to fall that shit.

[Garmr]

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Seems like to me your trying to bait me into voting you to rush the day. I'm not going to fall that shit.

not a viewpoint town garmr ever has.

Yeah because you know me so well. You and I both know what happened when you assumed what was and what wasn't town garmrs thought process. Hint you were wrong.

[Garmr]

Me asking what you scum read before I said no.

You've been scum since before you said that.

Ok then enlighten me.

your reaction aka a dodge

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Then a push

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Seems like to me your trying to bait me into voting you to rush the day. I'm not going to fall that shit.

not a viewpoint town garmr ever has.

When I asked what you thought was scummy about me before the post where I said I wouldn't follow who you wanted to duel. You avoided answering saying you won't talk to scum. Then attack a post that I made after. This shows to me your reaction calling me scum was a knee jerk reaction because if you actually put thought into my slot before that post you would of had reasoning lined up to hit me with. Instead you attack a latter post with out actually putting in the reason from giving yourself more time to make a case up. That's if you actually were intending to make one latter you could also be hoping to drop it fast.

p:edit Proves my point more will address it through.

[Garmr]

you're saying something absolutely ludicrous because you're trying to call me scum while interpreting my posts at

face value even though they should be towny

if you were town you'd say something along the lines of me trying to bluff you into townreading me, not that I'm "trying to bait you into voting me to rush the day".

That argument gave me a seizure with how stupid it is (I can say that I have epilepsy).

What you perceive as towny and what I perceive as towny are two different things. Also reading you at face value is ironic because the reason I said that wasn't the case.

What I'm perceiving is you flailing because you know you fucked up and I have a reputation (well trying to build one) of not being afraid to vote someone who is scum reading me If I scum read them or deem them disposable. So you are trying to argue against me to drag me through mud and possibly survive. Maybe I'm over estimating your ability as scum to do that and you have another more simpler reason or no deeper reason at all and winging it.

That was the thought process behind my post.

But what is interesting is you think that your posts should be perceived as townie at face value. Which means you have some Self Awareness of how you were posting while trying to say to lynch you over penguin power. Which seems kinda contradictory to lynch me over penguin power image you were portraying earlier.

(blue (#0040BF]) is now my colour)

[Garmr]

Penguinpower can I trust you to speed duel Garmr?

You can dispose of me when you use your scum revenge kill.

[Garmr]

you're so fake bro
sor r y

Welp looks like I won't get anything more out of you.

[Garmr]

@penguin power
What do you think about enjjimani slot.

[Garmr]

I feel this like
darkness welling up inside me

it was too much.
I had to embrace the edge.

Fuck I'm cut deeply.

[Garmr]

with all this edge.

[Garmr]

i'm not asking you to sort me

i'm asking you to work with me on other people

surely you realise I'm gonna be frustrated as shit working thru stuff w me when I can't even tell why you guaranteed your own lynch this game

Has he guaranteed it?

VOTE: radiant

Yes, yes he has.

[Garmr]

I mean, I think RC is town. But, I've seen him direct things back from worse, so for you to say he's guaranteed it gives me a bit of pause.

So penguin why do you scumread the Bujaber slot?

[Garmr]

Meta. It's not strong, but I don't have many strong reads right now.

Tbh I feel yah I don't have many strong reads either. But what about his meta do you scum read. So I can get a understanding.

[Garmr]

Meta. It's not strong, but I don't have many strong reads right now.

Tbh I feel yah I don't have many strong reads either. But what about his meta do you scum read. So I can get a understanding.

Not something I can discuss right now.

Can you discuss what bujaber did in this game that's meta related. You don't have to mention the other games in case it has something to do with ongoing games.

[Garmr]

I'm pretty tempted to just not post till rc is lynched or just replace out. Because Radiant is annoying me with their behaviour and attitude and I'm finding it a lot trouble to bite my tongue and be nice.

[Garmr]

fuck yourself mate it's not my fault you rolled scum.

It's that smug attitude I don't like.

[Garmr]

Lets say you are town because to be honest I see the case for both but I want you to be scum so I don't have to hate you after this game. If you are town
the fucking assumption earlier on that you would know what a town garmr would say or do that's what rubbed me up the wrong way. You have done stuff like this before with similar phrases you were wrong and you learned fucking nothing. My brain isn't like yours which is I consider a fucking blessing. You keep acting like you got this game solved while labelling me as scum. Saying shit like I don't talk to scum when I asked you so I can get a better read and some debate. That annoys me.




Also this martyr attitude. Oh I am such a victim i'm going to get killed. Treat me like a tree stump. You fucking did the duel you had control. You are the dumbass that rushed it. Stfu with that shit. Also you act like your word should be treated like it should have weight to it. You haven't earned the right this game for your word to be taken seriously.

[Garmr]

Like when you've made no effort to determine if I actually am town you have no right to complain that I'm just going to call you scum in return.

Yeah I have tried to sort you I have had discussion with you I even asked you to elaborate. This is what post where i sorted you in my mind.

Me asking what you scum read before I said no.

You've been scum since before you said that.

Ok then enlighten me.

your reaction aka a dodge

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Then a push

I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Seems like to me your trying to bait me into voting you to rush the day. I'm not going to fall that shit.

not a viewpoint town garmr ever has.

When I asked what you thought was scummy about me before the post where I said I wouldn't follow who you wanted to duel. You avoided answering saying you won't talk to scum. Then attack a post that I made after. This shows to me your reaction calling me scum was a knee jerk reaction because if you actually put thought into my slot before that post you would of had reasoning lined up to hit me with. Instead you attack a latter post with out actually putting in the reason from giving yourself more time to make a case up. That's if you actually were intending to make one latter you could also be hoping to drop it fast.

p:edit Proves my point more will address it through.

Before that I was thinking there may be a chance you just wanted to get lynched (trying to bait me) because you were throwing again. But this is the point I made my mind up.

[Garmr]

ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate

garmr/bujaber/shoshin lynches wins the game.

shhh

[Garmr]

my empathy

is totally turned off sorry.

like i understand that you're actually upset here as well as scum and some days I would care to try to make you feel better but not right now

Yeah that can happen sometimes when you get brain damage.

[Garmr]

TW u know full well why???

Arrcee arrcee how strong are you on PP town?

i'm not but i'll never convince this town to not lynch me.

Because you are toxic.

[Garmr]

my empathy

is totally turned off sorry.

like i understand that you're actually upset here as well as scum and some days I would care to try to make you feel better but not right now

Yeah that can happen sometimes when you get brain damage.

yeah people on MS damage my brain it's unfortunate.

Doesn't mean you have to spread the brain damage around like a virus.

[Garmr]

say what you want about my actions

no one was required to vote me.

Wow you are like a child.

[Garmr]

As I recall Garmr is well known for his ate as scum

if that memory is wrong then I'll consider him as town again

don't hammer or even place more votes on me, tyia

You should really take it as null alignment indicative. Just don't be a manipulative douche and try and portray it as a scum thing from me.

[Garmr]

urgh I really don't have a strong read there but like
if I could choose between copping him and vigging him I'd vig him

Your'e lucky I town read you because if you said something like that another game where I null read you. That would earn you a sneaky yolo hammer if you were l-1. Eliminating threats against me is eliminating threats against town.

[Garmr]

Wh4t.

Ejji is town

pedit: then that you should take

If you look at what they're posting you'll not see a definitive read. They aren't pushing anyone they are just commenting on the situation. None of the comments are hard hitting or indicative.


The closet thing to trying to sort here is.

I wish I rolled scum here so I wouldn't have to deal with being town in this setup

That feels like a lie.

btw, that’s rather not SvS

There's no attempt to sort him.

I think the "I'm so sad I rolled town" routine is an act. I think you're painting it as a slip because you're doing what you said you'd do and try to lynch anyone who suspects you.

RC's dissatisfaction post is NAI imo. The irritation isn't linked to this game in particular, but to all games in general, so while the post might have been triggered by people SRing him, it doesn’t even have to be connected to his alignment.
And tbh if he tries to lynch anyone who suspects him, that would prob give a better read than this post.

Pretty much a defence of rc while avoiding stating what alignment they think they are look at any post involving rc it's a defence of him but not stating their read on rc.


There reason why there's no attempts of trying to sort players in ejinnami posts are because scum don't need to. They just need to look like they are doing something and stay out of peoples eyes.

[Garmr]

also I went back and verified my meta on garmr
not only is he perfectly willing to be as big and random of a toxic dick as he has been this game as scum
him being like this strongly points towards him being scum

STFU you are the toxic piece of trash not me you wouldn't got my backlash if you weren't.

Also if it's calling someone toxic and trash I've done that as town before (been banned for saying worse as town. When I told someone to shove something up their anus and fuck themselves among other things.)

[Garmr]

Will be honest Rc is the type of person who would draw me into walls and walls of arguments. I don't want this to end up like viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76913 where gustavo and mines TVT killed everyone's enthusiasm for the game. So after this I'm going to ignore the cancer known as RC

And yes that means I think I was wrong about rc through and they are town. I'm starting to feel that way. Especially since he got so triggered over the brain damage comment. Penguin power also looks town so unfortunately that won't change my vote.

[Garmr]

classic garmr to, when called out on toxic being a scumtell, ramp up the toxicity and blame me for it

You did or I read wrongly. I mean you said it strongly indicates me as scum. As you said in post 393 and 394. I think this is the first time in any game we clashed in this way through.

[Garmr]

classic garmr to, when called out on toxic being a scumtell, ramp up the toxicity and blame me for it

You did or I read wrongly. I mean you said it strongly indicates me as scum. As you said in post 393 and 394. I think this is the first time in any game we clashed in this way through.

Oh read that wrong you are admitting to it nevermind.

[Garmr]

I know this is superficial of me, but Walt why no comment on me. You haven't once commented on any of my posts or commented on rc vs me situation. Reading what you post is like I don't exist at all.



I was going to do a post about shosin. But their jumpy nature around rc has got me confused so I will leave them as null. So I decided to give them more time to figure out the slot

[Garmr]

Agreeing with the above.

Please do not attack the player. Thank you.

Sorry if it came out personal. It was supposed to do with game related actions. I have no issues with RC out side of game.

[Garmr]

How about we move on and try to be a bit less personal.
I got half my classes canceled today so I should have time to do some dives into the ISO seas and see if I can’t catch some scum.

I'll make a deal not only will try to avoid arguing with RC(which I'm doing now.) I will kiss and make up with them if you are willing to consider EJJ the possibility of scum and talk to me about it.

[Garmr]

also his calling me town then doing nothing about it is a hilariously scum motivated move

I also town read pp. So me town reading pp,the fact you will yolo duel me if I pick you over pp,the fact you deserved to be lynched over yolo duelling won't change my vote.

[Garmr]

Penguin's good at giving basic reads, but not very good at making himself readable.
I'm a bit unsure about him though, since I'm torn on how to read 336.
I'm leaning more scum though because like the rest of his posts he lacks any substance at all. They are bare-bone reads with no real reasoning behind them.
Most of his posts are also reactionary it seems rather than trying to promote discussion he is just reacting to whatever is brought up and as I said he doesn't even really add anything at all. He says things, but not actually having meaning behind his words.

VOTE: Penguin

I think this is a townie post but if penguin is lynched over RC I will replace out.

[Garmr]

Why do you town read him exactly?
I don't disagree that post can come from town or scum, but like I said I don't think he is really contributing anything.

Will be honest it's a gut read. Also even if I only null read PP I would still vote RC over them.

[Garmr]

A few quickfire reads.
Ejj - Null, possibly scum with BuJaber because I find it weird that he said BuJaber's objectively scummy 116 is actually a townslip.
BuJaber - Could be either a VI or scum. 116 is admittedly weird, but the rest of his posts kind of feel like someone trying to promote discussion and I kind of liked his gramr read. So I'm leaning on town who is just really bad at just trusting people who say "X is a scumslip" more than himbeing opportunistic scum.
Gramr - I still am not sure. I stand by my gut that something about him feels off from the last game that I played with him and I am still unsure about if his plan comes from town or scum. I'm almost 100% sure if Penguin is scum so is Gramr. Other than that I really can't tell if he is town or scum at the moment. I can't really see anything that just stands out as this has to be scum and he does feel genuine at times. It's also just hard because of how emotional it got so I can't really trust anything based on that argument because I don't want to get into the territory of asking is his anger was genuine or not so I'll ignore it.

So much for being my bae, my real bae would spell my name correctly heart broken.

[Garmr]

Sho is null, I don't really see how anyone is reading them at the moment as I can't see anything AI in their posts so far.

Walt is town, makes some good posts, inquires about others reads, and although he doesn't make a lot of reads I like his reads and he feels to be coming from a town perspective.

I'm not even going to attempt to read into TW.

And that's everyone so...

Penguin-garmr-(TW/Ejj/BuJaber) and hopefully not any of my stronger town reads like RC, Walk, or Nicolas.

A few quickfire reads.
Ejj - Null, possibly scum with BuJaber because I find it weird that he said BuJaber's objectively scummy 116 is actually a townslip.
BuJaber - Could be either a VI or scum. 116 is admittedly weird, but the rest of his posts kind of feel like someone trying to promote discussion and I kind of liked his gramr read. So I'm leaning on town who is just really bad at just trusting people who say "X is a scumslip" more than himbeing opportunistic scum.
Gramr - I still am not sure. I stand by my gut that something about him feels off from the last game that I played with him and I am still unsure about if his plan comes from town or scum. I'm almost 100% sure if Penguin is scum so is Gramr. Other than that I really can't tell if he is town or scum at the moment. I can't really see anything that just stands out as this has to be scum and he does feel genuine at times. It's also just hard because of how emotional it got so I can't really trust anything based on that argument because I don't want to get into the territory of asking is his anger was genuine or not so I'll ignore it.

So much for being my bae, my real bae would spell my name correctly heart broken.

I'll be honest. I wrote Garmr at first and was like "that doesn't sound like, I think the a and r are switched."
Sorry...

It's fine i'm joking around. Remember what performer said about me playing different. I tend to be more varied than normal people. So I think it's a good idea to look at my intentions rather than meta which you have doing which is good. Your results are wrong through and I'm town. But that's chill I think you will figure that out eventually.

[Garmr]

I think a scum PP would of voted radiant by now.

[Garmr]

He cant garmr...

They cant vote once duel starts

Oh never mind then. Derp

[Garmr]

ejjinami-Says a whole of nothing a big fluff poster but the fluff isn't the joke game but the kind that looks like they are doing something. Can anyone confirm this is their playstyle/meta. Otherwise scum read.

that’s actually kinda hypocritical
I don’t get why do people SR me for that, I did what I wanted and I def think it was a good thing. If people don’t appreciate it then honestly fuck you.

I do not usually take that long to get reads. In my last games I went crazy with the early/overblown pushes and tbh even though it was prob good, it felt absolutely disgusting later on when I had to actually act on them or change them. You can find some of my previous town games on the site, it should not take long
As for scum games, those are my last ones:
ISO link (mafia neighbour)
ISO link (SK)
The posts in the ISO in the 1-st link are listed in reverse, so if you want to check, you have to start from the last one and go up. Idt it’ll take long, the game was a rather short one

How is it hypocritical? What did you think you contributed with your posts till that point?

also I went back and verified my meta on garmr
not only is he perfectly willing to be as big and random of a toxic dick as he has been this game as scum
him being like this strongly points towards him being scum

STFU you are the toxic piece of trash not me you wouldn't got my backlash if you weren't.

Also if it's calling someone toxic and trash I've done that as town before (been banned for saying worse as town. When I told someone to shove something up their anus and fuck themselves among other things.)

shhhh, calm down sweetie, it's not your fault that the game is a really unrewarding one. Try to ignore RC and interact with the other players
Can you elaborate on your reads on the other players (except me and RC)?

That's a bit condescending but just to avoid future arguments won't get into it.But what your commenting on is over on my end so you don't have to try and spark it back up.

[Garmr]

PP is so town right now man did you read his answers to my questions and circumstances of his rep in?

Vote Radiant Cowbells then. They are detriment to town.

[Garmr]

@EJJ

Can you tell me in dot points. What actions have you have done to further the game and what results have you got out of them?

[Garmr]

ejjinami-Says a whole of nothing a big fluff poster but the fluff isn't the joke game but the kind that looks like they are doing something. Can anyone confirm this is their playstyle/meta. Otherwise scum read.

that’s actually kinda hypocritical
I don’t get why do people SR me for that, I did what I wanted and I def think it was a good thing. If people don’t appreciate it then honestly fuck you.

I do not usually take that long to get reads. In my last games I went crazy with the early/overblown pushes and tbh even though it was prob good, it felt absolutely disgusting later on when I had to actually act on them or change them. You can find some of my previous town games on the site, it should not take long
As for scum games, those are my last ones:
ISO link (mafia neighbour)
ISO link (SK)
The posts in the ISO in the 1-st link are listed in reverse, so if you want to check, you have to start from the last one and go up. Idt it’ll take long, the game was a rather short one

How is it hypocritical? What did you think you contributed with your posts till that point?

Look at the post numbers and see which page was I on back then. I didn't have any good reads back then, but there wasn't anything till then, which I'd want to base my reads on.
and neither did you nor prob the majority of the game.
So it's obviously invalid

That's not what hypocritical means. I think you mean unfair. Ok I will let that one slip a bit. Why did you do nothing to improve it with that fluffy style of saying nothing then. Because those posts after you got bumped were fluff as well.

[Garmr]

@EJJ

Can you tell me in dot points. What actions have you have done to further the game and what results have you got out of them?

• I'm playing.

I don't actually care how much I do, because as I said before, I'm not going to force myself to do stuff, cuz it ALWAYS ends up in me getting overworked, worn out, stopping to read the thread just to get some sleep and having to wear myself down even more because of all of the catchups later.
You can look at my latest games in here, cuz I started and then replaced out of A LOT of games lately. I can even give you a few recent examples from the other forum I play on. The reasons I give are almost always the same

I still think I can play, cuz I feel rather good about this game, but do not expect me to go all crazy for contribution and progressing the game. If you want my reads, most of them are in the last few posts I made.
I could elaborate on the other players, but they're mostly null to me rn

So the only thing none fluff a was a scum read on me which can easily be addressed.

Actually Garmr might be scum. The reads in his posts felt kinda as if he put them there “just to have reads”. He doesn’t actually seem to care to interact with the other players to get better reads and most of the interactions I remember are from him yelling at RC. That’s not an entirely confident read, cuz I can see where could his focus on RC be coming from, but I don’t really like the stuff I’ve read from him thus far

-I interacted with IO to get a feel for her.
-I had a whole lot of interactions with RC unfourtantly
-Had some interactions with bujaber
-Talked to penguin power to get a feel for them, if I felt they were scum I would of voted them over rc.
-Just started interacting with walt.
-laid a case on you which caused you to react.

If you look at it on the whole I would argue am the player who has actively seeked out the most interactions with others. I have had interactions with over half the player base.While other players out there only have interactions with one or two other players So you using that as a case Is pretty dumb.

I'm sorting through all the players in my own way.

[Garmr]

actually, gotta go rn, so if you want me to write my opinions on some players, just write it and I'll do it later

That's not what hypocritical means. I think you mean unfair. Ok I will let that one slip a bit. Why did you do nothing to improve it with that fluffy style of saying nothing then. Because those posts after you got bumped were fluff as well.

nope, look at my posts till then and then look at your own posts. They are nearly identical imo considering the sheer amount about mechanics posts

idk, I think I've got rather good reads rn? I know who I want to lynch and I'm not really tempted to look into people's posts when there's the easier way of reading them through interactions.
I prob will do it if the interactions don't give results, but I really think I'm fine rn.

Yeah but you know what I did with those posts. I discussed them with IO which helped me get a feel for her. I could tell she was trying to process if I was town or scum and scum don't have a need to try and think about another alignment. I knew from her first reply she was gauging if I was scum or not so that's why I keeped pushing it to see her reactions to judge if I was right.

[Garmr]

actually, gotta go rn, so if you want me to write my opinions on some players, just write it and I'll do it later

That's not what hypocritical means. I think you mean unfair. Ok I will let that one slip a bit. Why did you do nothing to improve it with that fluffy style of saying nothing then. Because those posts after you got bumped were fluff as well.

nope, look at my posts till then and then look at your own posts. They are nearly identical imo considering the sheer amount about mechanics posts

idk, I think I've got rather good reads rn? I know who I want to lynch and I'm not really tempted to look into people's posts when there's the easier way of reading them through interactions.
I prob will do it if the interactions don't give results, but I really think I'm fine rn.

Yeah but you know what I did with those posts. I discussed them with IO which helped me get a feel for her. I could tell she was trying to process if I was town or scum and scum don't have a need to try and think about another alignment. I knew from her first reply she was gauging if I was scum or not so that's why I keeped pushing it to see her reactions to judge if I was right.

Another thing Bujaber town read me for it which lead to some discussion with me and him.

You say your posts are the same but how did you use them to further the game state.

[Garmr]

Btw one of the first thought that enters a townies head in this scenario is "is this player scum trying to take advantage of situation." Scum would know that as well.

So judging on the lack of reactions these possible scenarios occurred.
-Scum are newer and have never pushed
-Scum weren't there at the time
-Scum don't like getting into me since they know i'm a tough cookie who argues back and draws spotlight.
-Scum missed it.
-Scum were content with laying in wait.


What isn't scum reactions are
Io-trying to sort me and talking to me about it to get a feel instead of instantly pushing me
Buj-town reading me despite it being better to scum read me and get a easy push for talking mechanics.

[Garmr]

So this game. so far

Town with solid reasoning-

Io
Buj

Town that should die for the betterment of town-

RC

Gut town

PP

Iffy town read I am second guessing-

The worst- the worst wouldn't say they would want to vig me if they were scum because they know how that will blow up in their face. I feel like they would suck up to me more as scum.

Scum-

Ejjinami

[Garmr]

But you can't blow up in his face when the game is locked into the crapduel

honestly that post was just weak shading

especially since its an open and there's modconfirmed no vigs

Are you saying TW or I was shading?

[Garmr]

urgh I really don't have a strong read there but like
if I could choose between copping him and vigging him I'd vig him

I took this as he would vig me to stop the drama between me and rc. Not my slot should be shot because it's scummy because he hasn't got a strong read.

[Garmr]

FA_Q2 replaces XxtheWORSTxX. Please welcome him.

Welcome to our nightmare we call epic duel mafia.

[Garmr]

I don't think duel mechanics have l-1 ect. I think it's based on who has the most votes by the time limit.

[Garmr]

I feel like the game hit a standstill at the moment. Io what do you think of ejj reaction to me pushing their slot?

[Garmr]

@ejj

Do you scum read Penguin power

[Garmr]

ejj scum want me to die today because i'm onto them

not because PP is scum.

ik, honestly, one of the big reasons I want you alive is that you SR waltz and gamma and you'll give me an additional vote without me having to overexert myself to convince the others
and there's the interactions thingy, but tbh I prob shouldn't depend too much on it before actually getting a flip
I don't think I can actually read you besides that

Ironically I have a theory that the reason rc has been alive for so long, is because his reads are so fucking shit he is a living assist to scum.

So the only thing none fluff a was a scum read on me which can easily be addressed.

Hey @garmr, what exactly will you gain by telling me how much of a piece of shit you think I am?

If you want to look at what I wrote, then just look through my posts. It’s as easy as that.
I am not going to summarize my iso for you nor am I going to argue with you about it. The way I’m playing right now is good and I really don’t give a shit that you’re trying to prove how much better you are compared to me.

Will it give you any sort of benefit?
No.
So don’t waste my time

Bolded section is playing the victim for emotional appeal.


This post it looks like a dodge by saying they were doing something when they were pretty much coasting with fluff. They admitted earlier they had barely any reads so that would mean those post would be things to sort out slots right? Well if they were then why hasn't eji followed up on them.

Also it took this long for them to comment on the reads of RC and penguin power even it took me enquiring specifically about penguins slot.

Your push on me feels terrible btw. You’re taking my posts and turning them all around their tails while taking the opportunity to showcase how much more town motivation is in your posts than in mine.
That whole conversation is worthless

You’re tunneling me for close to no reason and you’re just freaking wrong
If you’re really trying to do sth here, then focus on some other players or just get a better argument, because what you’re doing right now literally makes no sense

You were the one who compared my posts to yours then I told you how I used mine to get reads and why they were different. That's what happens when you use your own low standards of post to try and smear another player. You should feel honoured you got to see a part of the inner workings of garmrs mind. You admitted that your posts were fluffy as well saying it was only early game. You've only got slightly better and that's because I applied pressure to you and even then it's mostly a omgus reaction. This get the fuck off me seems like scum caving under pressure. While I'm pushing you as a scum read, I am talking to other players and engaging with them to get a feel. Tunnelling is focusing on one player exclusively and ignoring everyone else. I can maintain multiple convos at the same time on a forum.
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Also a note eji said she town read both of the duelist but pushed penguin over rc. RC has shown to be anti town and dragging the game through the mud with their quick duel no brain thinking. You would think as a townie you wouldn't want to vote someone that impulsive if they are town reading both slots.

[Garmr]

mm ok

Radiant cowbells is at the very least attempting to game throw if he's town. Speed dueling a slot.

perfect lynch

Fixed

[Garmr]

warning you in advance: garmr is scum and he's going to speedduel Ejjinami to make it impossible for town to correctly get a duel on his scumpartners who are in weaker positions and trust in his abusiveness and AtE to keep his slot alive.

speedlynch him when he does.

Why speed duel tomorrow when I can get them lynched today?

[Garmr]

eh

if you can actually get them lynched today after my flip then town is actually gamethrowing and you deserve your win.

Well I am town and I'm getting scum lynched today.

All you have done is scream how scum I am, you never laid down case displaying my scum motivations ect. The only thing you which comes close is saying stuff not a view point Garmr has which has backfired on you in the past (also is None alignment indicative) when you said something similar and I don't think you know me well enough to make this statement.

Another point me pushing something ludicrous. I don't think I was being ludicrous and I have been known to think outside of the box. Also you didn't add the scum motivion in why I would make that move.

That's just me as well your scum read on bujab is trash as well and you haven't provided any reasoning, All you literally said was Bujaber is scum.

Rc can I ask why do you think I or any of the other townies would take your reads seriously especially after your actions. You look like a raving maniac.

So my advice to you is go through my iso and actually make a case for my actions through this whole game. Shouldn't be hard I been pretty active.

[Garmr]

i don't want to case you because you're just gonna keep being obnoxious and awful scum you and attacking me personally for scumreading you (correctly)

i have the advantage of being able to use clout that i worked hard to earn to get you lynched without having to actually engage you in macho repartee, i'll do that

You know being macho with your reads isn't a bad thing. Aggressiveness and assertiveness can be positive traits to have in certain situations especially in mafia.

[Garmr]

ejj scum want me to die today because i'm onto them

not because PP is scum.

ik, honestly, one of the big reasons I want you alive is that you SR waltz and gamma and you'll give me an additional vote without me having to overexert myself to convince the others
and there's the interactions thingy, but tbh I prob shouldn't depend too much on it before actually getting a flip
I don't think I can actually read you besides that

Ironically I have a theory that the reason rc has been alive for so long, is because his reads are so fucking shit he is a living assist to scum.

This is just a terrible theory.

If he was scum, then the Mafia clearly just straight bussed him as he's far in the lead with votes.
If he was town scum is clearly not trying to keep him alive because again he is far in the lead with votes.

I also honestly don't like how everyone is just saying that both Radiant and Penguin are town therefore lynch Radiant.
Penguin hasn't don't anything townie so far other than basically getting randomly targeted by Radiant for a duel.
All Penguin really has been doing is just kind of coasting out this duel.

Why would they automatically straight out lynch him you are thinking narrow.
1.If he got insti lynched they would look really bad.
2.If his reads are really bad (which they probably are since I am town.) and his nature to jump straight into duels. His existence can fuck over town hardcore. that could be a assist.
3.Scum could be hesitant to lay down a opinion because they don't want to be caught up in the mess.
4. They could prey on people with your mindset.
5.The rc votes could be majority town run and scum are laying back. Look how fucking hard it is to lynch rc when the obvious answer should to be lynch rc.
6. Scum may have a split opinion and playing both sides. Which is why he has more votes and eji (scum) is voting penguin.

[Garmr]

In short

-it could be mixed with a majority off rc meaning that the rc wagon is town lead.
-They may even all be off rc.

[Garmr]

To be continued....

Duel Vote Count 1.6

RadiantCowbells:

Garmr

, Walt,

FA_Q2

,

BuJaber

PenguinPower:

Io,

ejjinami

Not Voting: Shoshin, Nicolas Cage

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the Duel deadline will be killed.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-09 12:57:38)

Lynch Deadline Frozen @ 7 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes

Green town reads
blue confirmed town
red scum
Look Io this my POV regarding the wagons. What would you make of this situation with the same reads as me?

[Garmr]

Well if that were my reads I'd probably think one of the duelists were scum since I had 5 Null reads and 2 of those 5 were in a duel.
I'd also probably conclude Radiant was scum since Ejj is voting for their opponent and when I looked back through Ejj's posts I noticed 352 saying it was defiantly not a SvS duel.

But you obviously reached the conclusion that both parties were town (I assume you left the read on Penguin and Radiant out on accident) meaning that from your point of view you'd be thinking either scum are not voting or Walt and Ejj are scum attempting to take opposite sides.

So I guess you reached a logical conclusion with that read. Though I probably would be scum reading Radiant if I believed that those people were town/scum.

No I left those two out on purpose because it was focused on the wagon. Also I hoping you would give your opinion on those being wagoned with my reads or have some reaction to it either would work.

That's why I prefer a radiant lynch over pp. Worse case scenario with a radiant lynch he flips town but in doing so prevents my town reads/and myself from getting lynched, best case scenario I am wrong and his scum we still lynch him anyway.

I am assuming the worst is the case.

[Garmr]

Did you ever explain the FaQ read? I haven't seen much of them and they are hard town.

FAQ is the player "the worst" slot and the worst was a meta read on how they treat me depending on the alignment.

[Garmr]

Ah, I kinda just ignored Worst because I knew reading into him would have been fruitless.

Can I have your reads list and do the same thing I asked you to do?

[Garmr]

Out of the remaining 3 on my list


Walt, Shoshin, Nicolas Cage.

I think Walt is most likely to be town due to some same conclusions early on so it's a bit of bias.

So the lynch order in my mind would be

Eji

shoshin/nic cage in no order

and Walt if I was wrong on either nic or shoshin.

[Garmr]

Like, before I started calling Garmr/Bujaber town

the votes on me were Nicholas Cage and Shoshin

Neither of them are presently voting me because they reacted to my play and the gamestate

As soon as I started calling Garmr scum, the entire block of people he's townreading for 0 fucking reason (FA_Q2/Bujaber) and the person who I'm not a fan of his interactions with and makes sense as a third buddy that he decided to put at the bottom of the scumpool (Walt) ended up voting me.

That's not an accident.

I been town reading those slots way before they voted you. Bujaber has been explained and I have discussed the worst (which is faq2.)

The way you are portraying the way events happened don't hold up when you actually look into it.

[Garmr]

Rc before you said you earned clout to not have to put a case on me. Now your telling everyone your going to convince them I'm scum what changed?

[Garmr]

gramr, FAQ, (BuJaber/Penguin/Sho)
My bets on scum team.
Either way I'm voting gramr today or dueling him tomorrow if he avoids the noose.

No offence but that's a pretty bad scum team. Once I lead town to lynching scum you'll change your mind.

[Garmr]

@IO
Here's the scum comming to save rc.

[Garmr]

Io said that if she were scum to be wanting to keep rc alive it would be a equal vote. Scum have just been holding back for the most opportune time to vote penguin.

[Garmr]

Io said that if she were scum to be wanting to keep rc alive it would be a equal vote. Scum have just been holding back for the most opportune time to vote penguin.

Bah could of wrote that out better

IO said that if I was wrong and she was right. About scum would be wanting to keep rc alive they would be already voting penguin. Well now they were just waiting for the most opportune time proving me right.

[Garmr]

It seems like you're trying to poison the well based on Io's outdated speculation about how scum would treat the early wagon to prevent PP votes tbh

Either you're scum or you're going for some really shit reasoning. I'm not going to say you aren't capable of reasoning this shitty as town, but I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just scum.

Yeah nah you just caught out. Tell me how do you read PP then?

[Garmr]

It seems like you're trying to poison the well based on Io's outdated speculation about how scum would treat the early wagon to prevent PP votes tbh

Either you're scum or you're going for some really shit reasoning. I'm not going to say you aren't capable of reasoning this shitty as town, but I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just scum.

Yeah nah you just caught out. Tell me how do you read PP then?

Actually never mind you have a bullshit reason to scum read penguin power. Yet you didn't keep your vote on PP despite scum reading them over rc. Why not?

[Garmr]

I pretty clearly want him to say more, hence WHY I SAID I WAS VOTING HIM TO MOTIVATE HIM TO PROVIDE MORE CONTENT

Which you then started SHADING me over

Do you not want more content from his slot because he sure seems to have said very little to me?

You can actually talk you have 6 post and penguin power has 26 both with roughly around the same amount of content post per post. If content was really important to you, you would actually post more and have played part in this game. You have done nothing this game and when you get called scum you have a omgus reaction.

[Garmr]

Wtf do you have two accounts?

[Garmr]

6+19 is 25 champ, good job at MATH

I'm also in a position of being unable to push my scumreads and also being unable to be pushed with votes which makes it really hard to care at the moment because of the shitty duel mechanic. tbh if I knew we would have to wait a solid week for every duel to resolve I probably wouldn't have signed up for this game. That being said, your choice right now is not "does NC have content" it's "does PP have enough content to sort him vs RC" and the answer to that is "no." So why the fuck are you making an entirely irrelevant comparison? We are forced to make a choice between RC and PP, RC is pretty clearly town, and PP is entirely null. So why the fuck are you faking a scumread on RC and shading anyone who pushes PP for content? Are you just shit at this game or are you actually scum? As I said, I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt right now--you can be scum. I don't like insulting people needlessly when their actions can be easily explained through alignment.

Wow fucking trashy scum tactics. Slinging mud on the slot to see what sticks.

1. I town read Penguin power because of various things gut, where my reads are voting ect
2.Even if I null read penguin i would still lynch rc. I have stated this and the reason behind it before before.


You forgot one thing.

All my reads formed before the current wagon situation so your argument that I'm trying to shade anyone off the rc wagon is trash. You were the end result of elimination after town reads.

[Garmr]

Off topic couldn't even get the spelling of Nicolas cage and only realised after the fact. What sort of fan are you? That's such a basic thing to do.

[Garmr]

Also it hilarious all the omgus this game.

Eji's silent about me- pokes eji- Wahhh garmrs scum.

Nicolas is silent about me-pokes Nicolas-waaahhh garmrs scum.

[Garmr]

Off topic couldn't even get the spelling of Nicolas cage and only realised after the fact. What sort of fan are you? That's such a basic thing to do.

are you trying to douche your way into me locking you as scum? because it's working

You just insulted me by calling me trash so call it even.

[Garmr]

You know not having majority votes sucks dicks.

[Garmr]

Your push on me feels terrible btw. You’re taking my posts and turning them all around their tails while taking the opportunity to showcase how much more town motivation is in your posts than in mine.
That whole conversation is worthless

You’re tunneling me for close to no reason and you’re just freaking wrong
If you’re really trying to do sth here, then focus on some other players or just get a better argument, because what you’re doing right now literally makes no sense

You were the one who compared my posts to yours then I told you how I used mine to get reads and why they were different.

That was a conversation from the very beginning of the game. You SR me in 164 for not having any content in my posts and I said that the read is kind of hypocritical. I wasn’t able to play for a while due to college and work reasons, so you were SRing me for my posts till page 4 and all you didn’t write much more till page 4 either.
This conversation has nothing to do with the posts later on.

You listing your posts and how were all of them town motivated felt unnecessary and kinda lamist.
I do not have a lot of time to play the game and I’m not going to waste time to look through my posts and list them for you while showing how town motivated they were, because you can do it for yourself.
Yes, I do think that I was actively contributing in this game.
And no, I do not plan to stop fluffing. Being positive and ranting about what comes to my mind generally tends to calm me down a bit, so you can just skip it if you don’t like reading it.
I’ve been trying to force myself to keep up that tough façade, push people immediately and be pro-active in FM for quite some time now, which tbh usually only kept made things worse and tended to end in me replacing out. Feel free to check my previous games, I think I linked a few scum ones and you can check my town games on MS, so it shouldn’t take long to skip through at least the first few pages of them.
Anyways, that’s a change I’m making intentionally and I don’t think I want to stop doing it. It prob wouldn’t be an improvement for me and tbh it doesn’t even hurt you or the game that much.

You might be right that I fluff a lot, but do not freaking simply “ignore” my posts, when I’m not.
You clearly didn’t even bother to look through my ISO even once, because if you did, you wouldn’t be devaluating me as much as you have been. Your pushes are big and emotional but they're based on nothing. If you say that talking about mechanics is fluff, then yes, I did fluff a lot in the first 3 pages, but you obviously didn’t even bother to look at my other posts since then.
It feels like, you’re either focusing just solely on the fluff posts for some reason or just simply pushing me without actually caring for your reasons, which is just simply bad.

Weak. Alot of words that can be summed up in a few short sentences.

-My initial push which wasn't strong It was about you fluffing. It was early game through so I didn't have much to build on.

-You continue to fluff on which you admit

-Your reaction to scream I'm scum because my early push was early game push.

-You then try to compare my mechanics post to yours I point out the difference then you call it lamist.

-I call you out on it saying I was responding to your point then you go "no but you brought it up first" which has nothing to do with my point thus you actually dodging it.

- I asked you what are you doing to solve this game earlier you haven't really answered.

-You play the victim card saying I ignore your posts. So not only are you ATEING your whole game play is reactionary and that's because I pushed you.

[Garmr]

For example, this one felt absolutely terrible.

@EJJ

Can you tell me in dot points. What actions have you have done to further the game and what results have you got out of them?

• I'm playing.

I don't actually care how much I do, because as I said before, I'm not going to force myself to do stuff, cuz it ALWAYS ends up in me getting overworked, worn out, stopping to read the thread just to get some sleep and having to wear myself down even more because of all of the catchups later.
You can look at my latest games in here, cuz I started and then replaced out of A LOT of games lately. I can even give you a few recent examples from the other forum I play on. The reasons I give are almost always the same

I still think I can play, cuz I feel rather good about this game, but do not expect me to go all crazy for contribution and progressing the game. If you want my reads, most of them are in the last few posts I made.
I could elaborate on the other players, but they're mostly null to me rn

So the only thing none fluff a was a scum read on me which can easily be addressed.

That was an OBVIOUS misrepresentation. I don’t know if you were just mindlessly trying to pick a fight with me or what, but that never comes from someone who legit cares about what they write. Had you read just only my last few posts, you’d notice how much bullshit that statement is.

I addressed it so it's not a misrep.

If you look at what they're posting you'll not see a definitive read. They aren't pushing anyone they are just commenting on the situation. None of the comments are hard hitting or indicative.

The closet thing to trying to sort here is.

I wish I rolled scum here so I wouldn't have to deal with being town in this setup

That feels like a lie.

btw, that’s rather not SvS

There's no attempt to sort him.

Yes, a lot of my posts were simple comment or question ones. That was related to me catching up and still having at least twice as many pages to read later, so this is just sth you’ll have to deal with.
And yes, if I think that someone’s read is wrong I will comment on it regardless if I think I have an actual read on their target or not.

Yeah but you shown to have done nothing with your questions. You still haven't.

Reads are not freaking everything that can be done here.
The statement that my best read was the “non SvS” one was also a misrepresentation which honestly feels like shit.

That’s a link to my ISO starting from post 347, when I started catching up.
I’m not gonna say that I contributed an incredible amount of idek what, but the way you’re describing me is just a straight up lie

If you want to push me, then just don’t freaking distort the facts.

Reads may be not everything but your'e caving underpressure and the fact you omgused me as soon as I pushed you for it is scummy.

[Garmr]

Also a note eji said she town read both of the duelist but pushed penguin over rc. RC has shown to be anti town and dragging the game through the mud with their quick duel no brain thinking. You would think as a townie you wouldn't want to vote someone that impulsive if they are town reading both slots.

I didn’t TR PP at the time when I voted him and I had a TR on RC, which I explained a few times already.
Again, Do Not Distort My Posts.
Thank you

How would I know that you didn't town read read pp you never through out a read? Also this

It’s obvious the duel WASN’T TOWN MOTIVATED. Honestly, I’m leaning on RC being town here maaaainly because of the interactions, but even if he is town, that was at least close to gamethrowing.

Made it seem like you thought rc was a danger to town and if you town read or even null read PP then you would of voted radiant. A null is still better than how disgusting rc has been.

So now that you town read both Penguin power and rc where are you going to vote?

[Garmr]

@Io
Good I'm glad you finally saw how scummy eji is. I would be willing to make a sacrifice, you can lynch me today to clear any doubts if you speed duel eji tomorrow. Because I feel like you would need my vote to get a majority lynch on me today and if you are going to speed duel me tomorrow my fate is sealed.


Would you do that for me?

[Garmr]

And why would I lynch you to see if someone else is scum?-

If I'm right you just said that me and eji is a town vs scum? Why wouldn't you want to sort out who is scum between me and eji?

I'm happy if you want to lynch eji first that's good for me. But at the moment I'm a distraction and people will use me not to vote eji and let scum survive. So if you get rid of me first Eji will have no where to hide and I can get bragging rights.

Not only this but I can get access to the dead thread and spoilers and hopefully rc will lose the duel and be there so I can rag on them.

[Garmr]

Right, but why is lynching you the better option?
I feel he is more likely at the moment to flip scum so I’d rather advocate for his lynch first.

Oh really I got the impression you wanted me lynched first. Tbh this game is draining me and at time I wanted out.

[Garmr]

times*

[Garmr]

Io’s Plan of winning:
Lynch Penguin (already failed but still feel the need to post this)
Lynch BuJaber
If T - lynch Ejj
If S - lynch Garmr
If either flipped town lynch the other.
If game still continues lynch FAQ (if Ejj flipped scum)

Would you compromise and lynch eji before bujab? Because I'm not voting bujab or penguin.

[Garmr]

Garmr if you're going to try to fuck the game up I'm going to tell everyone to lynch you tomorrow. Ejji isn't scum and your reads are bad.

So are you calling me town?

[Garmr]

I may or may not be.

I'm going to give town a winning lynch order at the end of this day.

Regardless of my read on you, if you're going to try to lynch people I'm 100% sure are scum

I'll put you at the front of the order so you can't screw up future days.

Look we agree on something that's one reason my votes secured on you in the duel.

[Garmr]

If Garmr tries to interfere, you should lynch him and cut FA_Q2 from the lynch order on a scum flip.

You will win the game by lynching {Ejjinami, Walt, FA_Q2}

You and me agree on ejjinami, I'm somewhat mixed on walt and disagree on faq2.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Eji

[Garmr]

VOTE: Io[/]

Fun fact: I’m sailing towards a hurricane right now!

Hey pp do you think eji is town? How about lynching eji slot with me?

[Garmr]

@Faq2
Yeah I noticed something with nic.

All his scum reads so far are previously people who scum read him prior. Also his case is pretty shit yet he has the gull to call my cases bad.

I still want eji to be lynched but I'm willing to shift my vote to nic.

[Garmr]

BuJaber's been pretty weird all day, mostly he just seemed to be agreeing with whatever was popular consensus at the moment.

Sorry but this quote is wrong.
He town read me when there was no consonances and still one of the few who town read me when there was a more players scum reading than town me.

He was one of the first to scum read you. Before Rc threw it out.

Also Ironically he came to the same conclusions I did early on in the game and I didn't notice.

I'll catch another scum in six days

@everyone can I get some reads?

I'm not going to talk about you.

Ejji and Nick

are my scumleans..

PP is null {PP + Walt not a team}

Garmr seems townie

So we seem to be jiving on some level.

But I think the statement he follows public consensus is wrong.

[Garmr]

Garmr you are very obnoxious sometimes and your reads so far have been awful so no one is townreading you because no one WANTS to townread you.

You can throw shade out as much as you like but I have at least two people town reading me so that insult falls flat. i also have people sharing my eji read and a couple are sharing my scum my scum read of you. So why are you trying to portray a scenario that's not happening.

What bothers me about your play so far is that it seemed like you wanted to fabricate a scumread on RC when basically no one else was pretending he was scum, everyone else seemed to want to just policy lynch him basically.

For you though this seemed to serve as a way for you to not get into it with PP

. So I still have serious doubts about your alignment.

You say it's artificial but that's pretty lame. I could of also just easily just mimic the generic lets policy lynch

BUT there is some reason to say that you probably don't get RC as caught up on you as he did as scum. You're still really annoying tho.

But you are also very much the opposite of how the worst/FA_Q slot approached RC. The worst came out with a bafflingly strong townread of RC, seemed to overtly try to buddy him, and then when that didn't work and he replaced out FA_Q came in and voted RC without explanation. While it's fine for a replacement to change slots, it could easily be that FA_Q decided the worst's buddy attempt didn't work and so he might as well just lynch the slot that scumread him.

Honestly I don't see it that way. It a possible scenario yes but it's scenario that requires a lot of assumptions about the worst emotions. Also he is pretty flaky as town as well.

Like you are really focused on what the worst was saying about you but you need to remember all he had to do right then was remain off the radar and in the good graces of the people that were likely to flip as town soon. So I still think your reasons for townreading the worst are suspect.

There's a lot of stretching with your reasoning through.

I have been pretty hostile to you, because you are just generally a very hostile person. If you are town though you shouldn't let your rampant personality conflicts make this game any more of a shitshow than it is already. Vote scum. Vote FA_Q.

I've only started stuff with rc this game. It was built up through and rc probably doesn't know why so it's on my end so I will have to apologise about that. I have been pretty conservative with my other scum reads. Also I wouldn't of been hostile to you if you didn't call me trash. So don't play this I'm only hostile to you because your hostile card then expect to be treated nice. You get more with sugar than shit.

[Garmr]

That being said I don't like the past couple of IO posts. I'm trying to sort if it's just bad logic or scum motivated or the fact she was so adamant in scum reading me and dropped it after the RCs flip.

I feel the atmosphere where my neck on the line has dropped and no one is pursuing my lynch. Which seem really weird because people were adamant about my lynch earlier on.

I have a feeling scum were planning to push a mislynch on me but dropped after town didn't show enough interest outside of rc.

[Garmr]

It seems like you're trying to poison the well based on Io's outdated speculation about how scum would treat the early wagon to prevent PP votes tbh

Either you're scum or you're going for some really shit reasoning. I'm not going to say you aren't capable of reasoning this shitty as town, but I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just scum.

Sorry not trash shit at the game. I let it slide in 620 and then gave a snarky reply to 635 which deserved it. Honestly I could of been right with a majority of reads yet your fine with portraying me as shit.

[Garmr]

Well this be interesting

[Garmr]

Note:Bright eyed fish and FAQ2 aren't scum together.

[Garmr]

BrightEyedFish: PenguinPower, BuJaber,Shoshin, Irrelephant11
Nicolas Cage: FA_Q2, BrightEyedFish

If you are scum I doubt you would jump on a scum team mates vote to counter wagon and if you are town then your town. Also IO was pushing me and faq2 as a scum team. Then dropped it and said I felt natural despite nothing changing in the way I read FAQ2 which came off as weird.

[Garmr]

@Faq2
Yeah I noticed something with nic.

All his scum reads so far are previously people who scum read him prior. Also his case is pretty shit yet he has the gull to call my cases bad.

I still want eji to be lynched but I'm willing to shift my vote to nic.

Are you still willing to shift your vote?

I'm reevaluating my read on your slot. IO was suss in the end with their change of heart and how they handled me. I think FAQ2 is town. So I'm trying to judge if it is a TVS or a TVT. Because I think can rule out a SvS because of reasons in my last post and a couple more.

I also think there is scum guaranteed no matter your alignment between Irrelephant11(ejjinami) and Shoshin. Because the early bits of your wagon look town to me (Bujaber and penguin).

[Garmr]

So in short maybe once I think about things some more I got 6 days and it's majority votes only so I'm in no rush.

[Garmr]

I'm just going to say something because I want to know if it was just me. But before we could vote for anyone outside the duel I felt like IO slot was going to be the main wagon out the gate. I don't know her alignment or anything but the atmosphere around her and how people treat her kinda told me. Did anyone else get that feeling or that feeling about anyone even in this or other games? Does anyone else ever read flows.

[Garmr]

Shoshin: Light Ethos, FA_Q2, BrightEyedFish,
irrelephant11: Garmr,
Garmr:
Light Ethos:
FA_Q2: Nicolas Cage,
BuJaber:
BrightEyedFish: PenguinPower, BuJaber, Irrelephant11, Shoshin,
Nicolas Cage:
PenguinPower:

This is current vote count. FAQ2 and bright eyed shifted at the same time. Something is up that they are on the same wagon again. Shoshin hasn't done anything to be town read but it feels weird a spontaneous wagon sprung up at this point in time and not earlier.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Garmr]

No concern about Light Ethos?

Light ethos was walt right? His jump didn't appear bad to me.

[Garmr]

FA_Q2 -- Duck had some of his scum tells and his anger at my push seemed unwarranted. High scum equity

PenguinPower -- Lurked out the duel and hasn't really done much since, a null that at the moment leans scum because I don't think he usually lurks this much as town (but I have limited first hand experience with him as a player).

Shoshin -- I looked at some of her other games and she doesn't usually sheep the dead at a glance, so that was surprising, but I'm not sure it makes her scum. More makes her outside her meta. She has said she's deliberately playing off meta, which is something I feel I more often see from town than scum. Null with a slight townlean, but mostly null.

BuJaber -- Some of his arguments have seemed scummy and I haven't really smelled town bujaber here yet. Null/leanscum.

BrightEyedFish -- He seems a bit more engaged than he usually does as lurker scum here but observer effect might have given him some extra motivation. Townlean for now but I'll see if he keeps it up.

Light Ethos -- Witholding judgment until I see more from the replace-in but Walt seemed a bit scummy

Garmr -- I was scumreading this out of mostly anger and annoyance earlier but his reaction to my 'insult' has pushed my read here back down to null

Irrelephant11 -- You seem engaged with the thread already and I didn't really like the arguments against Ejjinami so null with a lean town for now.

FA_Q as scum, PP and Bujaber as potential buddies, LE as backup, but I'm not really in love with my solve at the moment and I'm looking to see what the replace-ins bring to the table.

|

That said the utter presumption of me being town + garmr's unexplained townread there gives me fairly good feelings about that flipping scum, SO like
let's say TW is really scum

that would make shoshin town
RC town
Penguin town (very very probably)
Nicholas cage town (very very probably)
IO i'm fine calling town OR scum that won't even matter because they are never getting lynched before endgame, just gotta track down dem partners
Ejjnami town

so

Walt
Gamr
Bujaber
FA_Q2

containing 3 scum

But all you wanna do is talk about RC and act like he's a golden fucking goose when his reads are always awful and he definitely was not even sorta close to worth saving

It's quite funny how Nic went off at Radiant cow bells for having shit reads. When his read are really similar with a few differences (one being penguin power).

[Garmr]

Io/slot or nic slot should be the lynch of today.

[Garmr]

Did we really just lynch the louder player?

No it's majority rules in a timelimit not half+1

[Garmr]

Did we really just lynch the louder player?

But if you are talking about rc and pp in a duel then I don't like your response straight off the bat. Your in Nic slot to so nothing really changed my read on it.

[Garmr]

Creature is solidifying my Nic read right now.

Thanks.

Lol your thinking is in line with mine at the moment and we said it near the same time.

[Garmr]

I just don't like the comment did we just lynch the louder player. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Garmr]

Bad taste because you feel bad about it?

Nah RC deserved death. Bad taste you implied the only reason was to lynch the loud one.

[Garmr]

Garmr how do you read ele and ele how do you read garmr?

I think ele trusting shoshin and joining the game with that mentality is more indicative of town!sho than it is AI for ele.

Correct. Shoshin either will or won't vouch for me being town at some point though, which will give you a good idea of my alignment probably?

I'll be honest I stopped reading Garmr posts at some point when spectating because they were so unpleasant. I mostly haven't read them since replacing in for the same reason. How important is it that I get a firm Garmr read?
I remember RC saying Garmr is being more toxic than he normally would be as town so maybe that's a thing? I also remember Io saying "no one is townreading you because you so unpleasant they don't want to townread you" which sounded sort of buddy-y. Actually that's more of a scumread of Io thing than anything AI for Garmr I guess.
Oh and then there's the "oh of course you were offended" thing that is a slight reason to townread Garmr I guess.

Overall I come away with a tiny townlean without reading his posts much at all.

So, same question. Is my answer important enough that I like,

have

to dive in to his posts?

You could pretty much skip my rc argument and my post return to normal. Rc is dumb and doesn't know how to read me. Also that was nic saying no one is town reading me because i'm unpleasant which is a lie and then he ran off on a rant on how shit rc was. IO scum read me for the earlier situation where I tried to set up a scenario I thought was ideal for town. I also used that scenario to read peoples slots.

I couldn't say at the time because the game was ongoing. But now it's over

mostly due to phrasing stuff that I won't be able to articulate in a way that's going to do anyone any favours
but there's a level of restraint that makes it feel fake and planned out, really don't think the word thumb is used by

town garmr

in this context.
I fundamentally think he'd make the same point or similiar point very differently if he was town.

Rc is dumb and doesn't know a town garmr from a scum garmr. As soon as I saw the words I know a town garmr and I had a bad day It was a recipe for disaster.

[Garmr]

you implied the only reason was to lynch the loud one.

Nah I'm not that stupid

What other reasons do you think it was for? Reading your post left me with the impression Garmr posted.

I implied we lynched the louder player, not that we lynched the louder player for being the loudest.

Ok but why is that important? Your tone implied that was a bad thing thing why?

[Garmr]

Garmr how do you read ele and ele how do you read garmr?

I think ele trusting shoshin and joining the game with that mentality is more indicative of town!sho than it is AI for ele.

I think it's null but when compared to eji slot I'm not really hard scum reading him as much. Still on my to sort list but a lower priority.

[Garmr]

Garmr how do you read ele and ele how do you read garmr?

I think ele trusting shoshin and joining the game with that mentality is more indicative of town!sho than it is AI for ele.

I think it's null

but when compared to eji slot I'm not really hard scum reading him as much. Still on my to sort list but a lower priority.

ele trusting shoshin. Is null

[Garmr]

Still disagree but ele is lower on my to lynch list than they were with the eijh I slot.

[Garmr]

When the first scum gets lynched I'm betting I'm the one shot.

[Garmr]

I also think Brightfish's reaction isn't coming from town.

[Garmr]

How is it a scumslip?

Set up is open everyone who is town is basically a reworded vanilla. His saying that he has information worth keeping him alive. That is impossible with this set up. This shows a survival mentally and his willing to lie.

[Garmr]

D2 will bring much needed information if I am alive to share it.

Did you just seriously hard scum slip....

The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.

And then you don't even try.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Creature can wait till tomorrow.

Why vote now? Distancing?

Yeah def scum. I don't know if he is trying to implicate faq2 or genuine slip either way obviously scum.

[Garmr]

I thought I was going to die since I'm the most town read out of everyone. Maybe it has something to do with my reads I'm going to recheck everything.

[Garmr]

I thought I was going to die since I'm the most town read out of everyone. Maybe it has something to do with my reads I'm going to recheck everything.

You are?

Probably a bit of bias but I feel like I'm towniest player player this game.

[Garmr]

I'm going to say Nicolas,

Shoshin

, and Walt are town since I can't see any clear connections from them to any other player indicating they be scum. Plus Nicolas is pretty townie.

I'm going to say there is one scum in this and only one. Tbh no town should of been town reading Shoshin I understand finding him not scummy. I would lean nic slot over walts.

Io’s Plan of winning:
Lynch Penguin (already failed but still feel the need to post this)
Lynch BuJaber
If T - lynch Ejj
If S - lynch Garmr
If either flipped town lynch the other.
If game still continues lynch

FAQ

(if Ejj flipped scum)

Puts FAQ last on the lynch list

The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.

Throws a nic creature connection

VOTE: FA_Q2

For voting an empty slot. Give the new person a chance, I say.

This looks weird when compared with this

Hey guys!

Welcome to the game!

Now join me in lynching faq

I'll join you but in an different way.
VOTE: Nicolas Cage

Literally chainsawed for both slots. We know this slot flipped scum so it's odd.

I had doubts about Nicolas early on, but I like him more in 331 and 334

Generic I like these post with no explanition

And that's everyone so...

Penguin-garmr-(

TW

/Ejj/BuJaber) and hopefully not any of my stronger town reads like RC,

Walk, or Nicolas.

I think Io would mention potential scum mates. in this. I also think they wouldn't be penguin or I and one of each would be in the posible lynches/town reads.

Did you ever explain the FaQ read? I haven't seen much of them and they are hard town.

Weird how they had a interest in my FAQ2 read.

Ah, I kinda just ignored Worst because I knew reading into him would have been fruitless.

Admits to ignoring the slot doesn't really question my read on faq2

Honestly Walt's a town read for me. I like a good deal of their posts and I feel like they are coming from town.
There's also that Gramr's been fencesitting about Walt which is indicative of a scum unsure how to read their ally.
But if I'm wrong about someone it'd be Cage or Walt. Though I don't really see that as a concern as we only need to lynch 2 scum and if Walt is that deep in hiding in the town then I don't really want to risk lynching them out of paranoia and having them flip town.

walt and nic are brought up.


I think today lynch should be between FAQ2 and Nic. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if both slots were scum together and they were playing a distancing game. Io and Bright seem like they terrible with associates.

Also the fact that Faq2 was running a few different counter wagons to bright eyed. Also never once stated a town read for IO yet defended her on multiple occasions.

Your entire post is garbage.

VOTE: Cage

Why is Io scum? The TMI case is reaching IMHO. Is there another case on him?

In response to nic

Naked vote is naked.

Do you have an actual reason here other than following RC?

Attacks the slot

Then tell me what makes Io scum.

In response to irrelevants vote

Not once did faq try to explain his town read on the slot.


VOTE: FAQ2

[Garmr]

Also I can understand why some people will ignore the possibility of faq/nic scum team. I'm not going to speculate into nics replace out but his outburst before because I don't want to break the rules. I think nics emotional lash out at rc was really weird. He showed no frustration when RC was alive. Had similar reads ect. I have a theory that nic venting about the condition of scum team. That people would sheep rc a shit player who had emotional outburst. A player who pretty much called everyone scum with little to no reasoning. I'm glad I held off from Stating that I was questioning IO slot while Rc was alive or rc would be like IO confirmed town. Also Him and Faq tiff could of pushed him over the edge.

Note:Bright eyed fish and FAQ2 aren't scum together.

I was wrong here.

Shoshin: Light Ethos, FA_Q2, BrightEyedFish,
irrelephant11: Garmr,
Garmr:
Light Ethos:
FA_Q2: Nicolas Cage,
BuJaber:
BrightEyedFish: PenguinPower, BuJaber, Irrelephant11, Shoshin,
Nicolas Cage:
PenguinPower:

This is current vote count. FAQ2 and bright eyed shifted at the same time. Something is up that they are on the same wagon again.

Shoshin hasn't done anything to be town read but it feels weird a spontaneous wagon sprung up at this point in time and not earlier.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

This is a scum team trying to run a counter wagon together.

[Garmr]

. Also Him and Faq tiff could of pushed him over the edge.

Referring to nick here.

[Garmr]

Not once did faq try to explain his town read on the slot.

Not SR a slot does not mean TR that slot.

Interesting that you just assume so though.

That's my point. You didn't say if you were town reading the slot so why were you actively pushing against it with out placing a read down and trying to place a counter wagon. The fact you avoided reading it all makes it worse.

[Garmr]

Also I would even accept a scum read while explaining with what you agreed didn't agree with. But you didn't you just pushed against the wagon with out explaining a town read or a scum read or any read.

[Garmr]

I was contemplating or not this early on day 2. But after thinking deeply about it I decided not to

Duel: FA_Q2

In case a town read duels a town read.

[Garmr]

I was contemplating or not this early on day 2. But after thinking deeply about it I decided not to

Duel: FA_Q2

Leave it to long

in case a town read duels a town read.

Fixed

[Garmr]

@Garmr: Can you expand a bit more on why you dueled FA_Q2 instead of shoving him? Who of your town reads were you worried about dueling another town read? (Or did I misunderstand your EBWOP?)

I was meaning in case it suddenly happens like rc and pp yesterday. Also I want FAQ dealt with and if another duel took place he might be able to sink away from attention.

Also it forces players to take a stance on him and me which is good for info.

[Garmr]

Honestly this seems survivalist Faq2 but that's scums win condition I guess. I think you would of been better off playing the garmr's a risk to town because his going to rush into duels angle and try to play me off as a VI like radiantcowbells that way if you were to win somehow you would still keep your reputation.

For everyone else his basically saying his lynchbait here and a easy duel making me scum. That's a pretty scummy reasons as well to try and scum read me.

Least not forget the fact he didn't address my reasoning and still hasn't yet. It's because the connections are true.

[Garmr]

Garmr, remind me what caused you to flip on this read again:

Note:Bright eyed fish and FAQ2 aren't scum together.

Ok will anwser after my job interview.

[Garmr]

Garmr, remind me what caused you to flip on this read again:

Note:Bright eyed fish and FAQ2 aren't scum together.

Got a trial shift. 29 aussie dollars for washing dishes $20.50 Usa is pretty sweet.

Anyway I changed my mind after Isoing IO again and looking for associations. You can see most of my thought process's in my earlier post. But before I thought scum wouldn't follow each other. Then I remembered a earlier game mini normal 2023 and the parallels with that game hit me.

Read the whole thing.
Also, the words “I thought, he seemed” are both opinion-indicative. In fact, all of your points above on Gus and me are opinions, because guess what? Few to none of us agree with you, which is why you’ve yet to run up a wagon on me. Now, on Locke you actually have a case. But you are guilty of the exact same things as Last coke, and you claim to be town. And you’ve not voted him once to my knowledge (may have forgotten)

And this is the first I’ve heard of Krazy being town from you. I thought you said she was scum.

Did you ever explain the FaQ read? I haven't seen much of them and they are hard town.

A interest in a certain slot I was town reading but isn't a common town read. (Krazy was scum in this reference.)

Which made me think of gamma in that game and how he sheeped another scum members votes in a way I thought it should operate them. Also that game had me clash with gustavo like rc and scum responded in a similar way (James/IO).

[Garmr]

Wait we're voting out whoever probably has the worst reads?

So what do you like about faqs reads and what do you dislike about mine?

[Garmr]

I'm going to post something in the minute. Since faq2 is going to flip scum I'm going to get shoot so may as well get all my current thoughts out there.

[Garmr]

Wait we're voting out whoever probably has the worst reads?

So what do you like about faqs reads and what do you dislike about mine?

Idk which of you have the worst reads. I'm voting who I think is less likely to be town rn.

Oh ok. Thought I hit the final nail and solved the game then but guess not.

[Garmr]

Tbh I'm tempted to just hammer FAQ2 to end this duel and then we can lynch LE

There is no hammer you have to wait three days.

[Garmr]

Town has 2 ways of thinking this game. First way is to find the scum out of the 5 left after faq flips scum and shoots me that's a 20% chance if you did it by random. Another way is two find two town for me since I'm going to die since faq is scum which gives me a 64% chance to win if it's a random number calculator. For the people who are town after this only have to find one town and keep them alive so that's a 80% of winning if picking at random.

I just want town to think about that after I'm gone because This game has a high chance of a town win. Now for my input.

Bujaber

This slot is town and obvious town. I could pick this slot out as town early game. Keep this slot alive and It's a win for town. Along with my early arguments it's pretty easy to see from interactions with IO that this slot is town.

Penguin power.

Also a lot IO might bus but honestly one of the first to jump on IO when they didn't have to so in all townie.

So those are my two I would keep alive For a guaranteed win.

Walt/Light ethos

I noticed IO is pretty adamant about how town Walt is. I am leaning more to buddying but never explained the read well. Walt also synced up to me earlier game so I like that. If for some reason faq 2 flips town this read reverses but I don't think it will.

Eji/Irrelphant.

Well Ejji was awful so i'm not sure if IO was bussing or not. On the other hand I like Irrelphant. Most likey town.

Nic/creature

After FAQ2 flips scum don't need to look any further. Nic was quite obvious scum there attempts at distancing were shit and

Wished BEF would be more present.

Hint hint scum buddy.

Shoshin kill doesn’t make sense to me.

She obvtowns pretty easily

Ok to scum maybe but me and pp didn't think that and the other didn't mention the slot was obvious town and I'm town. This leads into

Shoshin prob died for wanting Walt dead

If Walt was obvious town why would this make sense. I feel like you are trying to rush a frame on walt here.

So from this I can figure out something. Scum thought the lack of people willing to vote Shoshin was because town had a town read on them and not becuase Io was obvious scum and with the counter wagon if town didn't town read the slot they predicted they would read Shoshin as town after. After Creature slips up and anwsers this and after a while tries to set up and frame walt/light slot as scum for shos def despite mentioning earlier the reason.


This game is over and easy.

Io/bef, worst/faq2 and nic/creature.

[Garmr]

Garmr, this game ends when one more scum dies
FAQ2 is the lynch today and nothing will be changing that imo
If you have reads for if FAQ2 flips town then please share those

But the game started off with 10 players 7 town and 3 scum. That's what the set up specs on the page.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Epic_Duel

So that means there's 2 scum left so the game won't end.

[Garmr]

White Flag mechanic.

Oh I never knew what white flag meant and I think I been in another white flag game derp.

[Garmr]

Well that would explain why creature is voting me because I'm voting his scum buddy.

[Garmr]

Well that would explain why creature is voting me because I'm duelling his scum buddy.

Fixed

[Garmr]

I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.

I voted before and after the duel was initiated

VOTE: FAQ

I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.

How so?

RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.

So you're saying because we know it was personal there was no point in asking him why he didn't try to push and sort the slot instead of duelling?

I think Nic/creature is scum but if scum with FAQ doesn't really make sense for nic to vote him so many times.
And creature isn't lurking lol.

@garmr - haven't you played this setup before?

White Flag mechanic.

Oh I never knew what white flag meant and I think I been in another white flag game derp.

Yep but I never knew what flag meant.

[Garmr]

So who won in your last game? Scum? If town won you would have seen it in action.

Scum won a perfect victory I was killed night 1 because I was obvious town.

[Garmr]

As mentioned earlier, this game is conditioned as Nightless! Since no Night Phases exists, the Sharpshooters do not have a factional night kill ability. Instead, they are Vengeful and may kill any player of their choosing after being removed from the game if they've either lost a duel or have been lynched.

You didn't get killed at night.
If scum killed you it means they got lynched and vengekilled you.
So not a perfect victory.
But either way if scum won it makes sense that you didn't see white flag implemented. A little suspicious that you didn't research what it means twice now. Do you normally join open games without reading the setup?

That white flag game had a night phase.

[Garmr]

As mentioned earlier, this game is conditioned as Nightless! Since no Night Phases exists, the Sharpshooters do not have a factional night kill ability. Instead, they are Vengeful and may kill any player of their choosing after being removed from the game if they've either lost a duel or have been lynched.

You didn't get killed at night.
If scum killed you it means they got lynched and vengekilled you.
So not a perfect victory.
But either way if scum won it makes sense that you didn't see white flag implemented. A little suspicious that you didn't research what it means twice now. Do you normally join open games without reading the setup?

That white flag game had a night phase.

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Bj I know the direction your heading from your tone. Ask yourself am I scum partners with IO?

[Garmr]

I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.

I voted before and after the duel was initiated

VOTE: FAQ

I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.

How so?

RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.

So you're saying because we know it was personal there was no point in asking him why he didn't try to push and sort the slot instead of duelling?

I think Nic/creature is scum but if scum with FAQ doesn't really make sense for nic to vote him so many times.
And creature isn't lurking lol.

@garmr - haven't you played this setup before?

He stated exactly why he dueled the slot and then promptly gave up.

To boot, the slot HAD ZERO POSTS when he dueled it. ZERO. There was literally nothing to go on.

Yeah no offence bujab but pushing faq2 over not saying it earlier is kinda bs. There's plenty of other scummy things about him but that's not one.

[Garmr]

Scum lose first player and creature already had some people grumbling about the slot being scummy and I am chief among them. Garmr goes on and duels me getting creature completely off the hook, fingers creature as my partner (a read that is promptly going to vanish when he finds out he is 'wrong' about my alignment) and gets him in a duel he believes he can win.

Oh no it's not going to vanish

Shoshin wandered in from the breakfast bar, unperturbed by the simmering tensions between the others, and propped her feet up on the table as she watched the conversations flit back and forth like bullets in the wind.

Easy is as easy does though.

Light Ethos and FA_Q2 approached her, suspicious of her laid back demeanor, but she paid them no mind as she ate her hash browns.

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Vote Count 1.7/size]

Shoshin: Light Ethos, FA_Q2,

BrightEyedFish

Irrelephant11:
Garmr:
Light Ethos:
FA_Q2: Nicolas Cage,
BuJaber:
BrightEyedFish: PenguinPower, BuJaber, Irrelephant11, Shoshin, Garmr
Nicolas Cage:
PenguinPower:

Not Voting:

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the Duel deadline will be killed.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-19 19:37:30)

If your not scum then 1 scum is guaranteed to be off wagon in nic/creature,light ethos.

But I feel like it will end after this.

[Garmr]

@Irrelephant
Where do you think scum fucked up in this game. I think it was IO trying to push a fake a scum read on me. The atmosphere was ripe for my mislynch when she did it but she did it so badly. Then she went down hill from there. Her replacement felt defeated when they replace in as well didn't help them.

[Garmr]

garmr

Besides me duelling you do you actually have any reason to scum read me. I mean I get you faking as scum but you only provided that at least put more effort into it.

[Garmr]

I find it funny how defensive of faq slot creature is getting now.

[Garmr]

Just thought it weird FAQ's point wasn't brought up earlier so I asked..but to be honest I forgot he replaced in late.

And garmr I'm trying to make sense of your duel coming from the guy who was talking so much day 1 about optimal town duelling and maximizing its potential and all that which was my main reason for townreading you. Also I tend to get paranoid about people pocketing me so I like to reevaluate townreads.

Well to be honest I feel like I have this game solved. To me duelling faq2 was the optimal thing to do. I prevent a stupid duel, I get control of the participants of the duel meaning I have more faith in my judgement over others, None of this force players to duel each other shenanigans which may backfire, It caused a reaction from creature and FAQ2 was on the lynch list anyway So the player that makes the biggest deal is obviously his scum partner or if I'm wrong about him being scum, the scum that wants to set me up as a mislynch.

[Garmr]

The only set up town can lose in is if you and pp are scum together. Which I doubt is the case since IO went hard for you.

[Garmr]

If we lynch town this duel we won't lynch the other

I thought you were scumreading garmr?

I don't want to answer for creature but I can predict what his going to say. Basically it ends with him wanting to lynch me over faq2 and not touching faq when I flip town.

[Garmr]

If we lynch town this duel we won't lynch the other

I thought you were scumreading garmr?

I don't want to answer for creature but I can predict what his going to say. Basically it ends with him wanting to lynch me over faq2 and not touching faq when I flip town.

Looks like you turned out to be wrong.

Guess I was. But the question remains are you scum.

[Garmr]

I just reliazed where in a situation where one town needs to be wrong and the games over.

[Garmr]

I really thought the game would be over with faq2 I'm kinda panicking at the moment.

[Garmr]

so what made you do a 180 on me?

[Garmr]

I'm going to hold off on voting.

[Garmr]

I think shoshin had to die for a reason

Last mention of Walt by her says he's town.

I trust PP and garmr to be town. All the rest are fair game

PP/garmr thoughts on ele?

I am holding off until everyone's voted. I want to see if what I think is right.

[Garmr]

8 hours left and light is the main lynch is light. I have a feeling he will flip town

[Garmr]

So the only valid scum partners for LE are me and bujaber. I don't think either of us are scum. That means penguin power,creature and Elle are potential scum.


@Bujaber do you think penguin power was a IO bus vote because they knew rc was going through?

[Garmr]

Garmr and BuJ can have my vote if they want it somewhere else

Bujab probably won't want your vote here i'm guessing but

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Garmr]

Oooh.

So it was Garmr. I got a bit arrogant after my Io read...but you did hop on that one at the end didn’t you...with like 24 hours left?

I held my vote back on purpose to see who the counter wagon would be because I was reading the flow of the game and a vote earlier on Io would of killed the wagon. Once the shoshin counter wagon started I killed it 20 mins after the last vote and secured IO's death so I could get a read on who's potential scum.

Light ethos is pretty much my only potential buddy so once he flips town the next day phase I'm going straight for your throat in a duel.

[Garmr]

This a plurality game so you didn’t kill or secure anything. Happy to duel you tomorrow if you lynch LE with me today.

Absent an Io bus, why am I scum enough for your vote?

Yeah nah the plurality game is faulty logic since securing is possible in a plurality game driving the whole wagon by yourself through you could argue for I'm not arguing that.

One Io action after the duel she dropped all pushing of you despite saying you were scum, two no one given you flack day 2 onwards, three despite your position you are comfortable and doing nothing to push the game forward.

[Garmr]

1) Sorry we ended up lunching scum. I was obviously not going to be her counterwago given the duel.
2) Your duel kinda stifled all discussion outside you and faq
3) I expected to die upon replace in so of course I’m comfortable.

Bad reasons. I’m reflectin back on RC’s comments on you and i am again fine with LE and dueling you.

So who do you think my scum buddy is if I'm scum. Also rc is shit no offence they did the same thing to me in a earlier game when I was town.

[Garmr]

I could be wrong on pp but
VOTE: Creature

[Garmr]

Yeah...I’m fine with LE and Garmr.

So once LE flips town who do you think my partner would be if I was scum.

[Garmr]

Scum is in {Light Ethos, Garmr, Irrelephant11}

gramr,

FAQ

, (BuJaber/

Penguin

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Sho

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My bets on scum team.
Either way I'm voting gramr today or dueling him tomorrow if he avoids the noose.

Never votes Garmr though...votes Bujaber.

I'd be willing to forgo killing gramr immediatly since I'm 99% certain Gramr v Ejj is TvS and Ejj sounded pretty scummy during that last page.

Doesn't vote Ejj (elephant) though...votes Bujaber.

In fact. If Bujaber flips scum today I'm instadueling Ejj so we can end this game sooner.
If he flisp town, I dunno. But I can guarantee is BuJaber flips scum so will Ejj.

Makes me think that Bujaber is town and Ejj (elephant) scum because this is a way to secure a town lynch and allow a pass on Ejj lynch.

So maybe it's Garmr and Elephant. Either way, Garmr is the constant.

VOTE: Garmr

So once LE flips town who do you think my partner would be if I was scum.

I would probably re-evaluate my scum read on you at that point.

Yeah this is scum PP realising they need to lynch me today otherwise they can't lynch me tomorrow. It should be obvious to anyone who is actually town that a scum team of me,irrelephant,IO is impossible. Since I was pushing Irrelephants aka eji slots lynch early on in the voting phase and the slot hated my guts.

[Garmr]

Also that seems like a real Omgus reaction to me scum reading them.

[Garmr]

I had doubts about Nicolas early on, but I like him more in 331 and 334

That's Io's first mention of Nick. The "doubts" were never explained. Then just has him as a townread the whole game until her last post:

I'm going to say Nicolas, Shoshin, and Walt are town since I can't see any clear connections from them to any other player indicating they be scum. Plus Nicolas is pretty townie.

I'm unsure about the rest of the players though.

I think the scum team is Ejj, Penguin, and Bujaber though.
.

I think this grouping indicates ejji - nick are her buddies. Both of them she doesn't really talk to directly (except the one debate early game with ejji about duels which is pretty safe). And singling out Nick like that from her 3 townreads.

That plus the shoshin kill which I feel implicates ele given his entrance..

I really think we need to lynch ele or creature

Want to vote creature with me because I feel like ele is more likely to be town.

[Garmr]

1 among her scumreads and 1 amomg her townreads

Though she did have an undeclared null list.. let me see who was alive at the time. Garmr and who

Pedit - with the shoshin kill I'm favoring ele and

PP seems unwilling to vote for creature here

Because PP is scum.

[Garmr]

this is dumb
why wasn't faq2 scum

also can it just be creature and le because that requires the least re-evaluating fmpov

Want to vote creature then becuase me and bujab seem to agree on the slot.

[Garmr]

this is dumb
why wasn't faq2 scum

also can it just be creature and le because that requires the least re-evaluating fmpov

You think creature pushed LE and sat on his wagon for the majority of today as his partner knowing it would lose him the game?

Like...that pairing doesn't make sense.

That's because the pairing is creature x penguin.

[Garmr]

Garmr have you said why you don't think it's ele?

Because ele is willing to jump on both LE and creature meaning ele is not partners with either. That leaves her to be with you,penguin power or me.

I don't think you are scum so I'm ruling you out. If you were scum then you could of took the easy path and voted light ethos the only situation you are scum is your scum buddies with light ethos which I doubt. She could possibly be scum buddies with penguin power but I'm not sure and I know I'm not scum. From your point of view ele could be a possible scum partner but then I could of jumped on light ethos or just keeped quiet and let the light ethos lynch through it had creature ele and penguin powers support. Me scum reading penguin power is the catalyst for the chaos happening now.

[Garmr]

As soon as I stir the pot people get active then I get the artificial as fuck scum reads from pp and creature. It's like everyone else was complaisant with LE being the lynch with out considering who his scum partner could be or what they would do if is town.

[Garmr]

Gives bad reasons for his 180 on me. Says scum reads on him with supporting rationale are artificial.

Someone meme that with a cute penguin pic pls. It’s Halloween and I have to take care of the kids.

I don't think my switch in ideals was bad but lets pretend it was. Why does bad mean scum?

[Garmr]

Garmr wants me dead
BuJ wants me dead
PP seemed fine lynching me
Irre voted me out of blue
I'm trying to get LE lynched

Tell me, who is my partner?

PP seems fine lynching you never voted you? But they never voted you once this game lol. Seems like weak distancing.

[Garmr]

Look how active Creature and PP get now despite them not really posting much before.

[Garmr]

I was posting a lot before too

Pff It took a noticable increase as soon as I stirred the pot you can't deny that.

Do you think I am only ever partnered with PP?

Yep

[Garmr]

As soon as I stir the pot people get active then I get the artificial as fuck scum reads from pp and creature. It's like everyone else was complaisant with LE being the lynch with out considering who his scum partner could be or what they would do if is town.

Okay back to this
VOTE: ele
He's just being sheepy at this point. Plus the shoshin kill and Io interactions.

Creature you just keep getting mad when voted but you don't comment on my cases.

Man, those are pretty scummy.

Could it be Buj + Garmr trying to tie themselves hard to LE?

\
I had this thought but it would make me sad

Look how active Creature and PP get now despite them not really posting much before.

alright there's too many partner options here this is dumb

Also why does being sheepy make me scum
Like the only way I'm scum is if none of the people I'm sheeping my vote onto are scum
Meh I guess you might suggest that as long as my last vote is on town, I'm likely scum, but imo it shows my lack of info
Not loving how BuJ just spent like 72 hours "coming to the realization" that the Shoshin kill means I'm scum - it didn't read like a real progression (the conclusion seemed implied at the start)

I town read bujab and that the only possible partner with LE other than myself and I know I'm town.
You don't make sense with bujab,Le or creature you could be with pp.
Le doesn't really have possible partners.