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You know why right?
Because it's Gorgunzola time.
Okay that's my last one I promise- BuJaber
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Because of white flag? Maybe but like ... towncred + potentially killing a townie + veng kill if they lose.In post 19, ejjinami wrote:
lol, I was thinking of reading people this way...In post 15, Garmr wrote:Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.
btw, the game is nightless, so isn't dueling in the early game phases like super harmful?- BuJaber
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Garmr was saying scum have no incentive to duel. I was correcting him.In post 23, ejjinami wrote:
wait, what?In post 22, BuJaber wrote:
Because of white flag? Maybe but like ... towncred + potentially killing a townie + veng kill if they lose.In post 19, ejjinami wrote:
lol, I was thinking of reading people this way...In post 15, Garmr wrote:Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.
btw, the game is nightless, so isn't dueling in the early game phases like super harmful?
are you talking about town or mafia? I'm not following- BuJaber
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Not a day 1 without some RC tale of woe.In post 119, Io wrote:In post 115, RadiantCowbells wrote: I was thinking your outburst felt forced, I mean you practically said it unprovoked just because someone joked about dealing you.
@garmr - who have you played with before from this playerlist?- BuJaber
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Was this serious?In post 29, Shoshin wrote:I'm going to assume that anyone who starts a duel on D1 is scum, unless it's RC, in which case he's confirmed town.
Why would that be the case?In post 63, Nicholas Cage wrote:
Are you saying you thought you would join this game and NOT get dueled day 1 regardless of your alignment?In post 61, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Please don't do thisIn post 25, Shoshin wrote:I'm probably gonna duel Radiant for the giggles.
What does this even mean? How does her read on someone else affect her ability to read you?In post 99, RadiantCowbells wrote:nvm if Shoshin had that read as early as she did then I am a little less skeptical of her claim to be able to read me.
What changed your mind?In post 110, RadiantCowbells wrote:Not so convinced on Ejjnami scum
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Wtf.. where is this coming from?In post 129, RadiantCowbells wrote:Wh4t replace out if this game or I am duelling you.- BuJaber
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In post 148, PenguinPower wrote:
Damn man why you gotta make this sadder than it is.- BuJaber
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I'm not going to talk about you.In post 155, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'll catch another scum in six days
@everyone can I get some reads?
Ejji and Nick are my scumleans..
PP is null {PP + Walt not a team}
Garmr seems townie- BuJaber
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I don't think I can talk about you withour breaking site rules. Ask me about anyone else.In post 181, RadiantCowbells wrote:anyway.
@Bujaber talk to me about reads
@Shoshin I'm going to tell someone to duel you if you don't do anything before I die. do something.
@NicholasCage were you planning to play the game?
Garmr I felt seemed town because he was the only one discussing setup in a way that I felt was very well and clearly thought.
- trying to increase odds of lynching scum
- using past games' mistakes to change the approach this game
- discouraging early duels
I don't care if he's right or wrong about the strategy the fact all 3 of those were apparent in his setup spec looks to me like town thinking instead of scum thinking.
I don't know how you townread PP before he posted.
I don't really know most of the playerbase and they're not talking much. Tw rep in is ... void of any apparent agenda.. probably town.
You made us choose between a slot that did not post and you, the instigator of a duel for personal reasons.In post 298, RadiantCowbells wrote:say what you want about my actions
no one was required to vote me.
If we vote neither of you scum get a choice of who dies. So that's not an option.
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Why?In post 332, Shoshin wrote:RC saying I'm scum is by far the towniest thing he's said all game. I'd be concerned if he wasn't saying that.- BuJaber
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Why?In post 375, Shoshin wrote:the worst is scum, 100%
Why?In post 377, Shoshin wrote:Ejji, also scum.
And does this mean you think garmr is town?
If not do you think they can be SvS?
PP why does RC's alignment make a difference to you repping in or not? And did you know he duelled your slot before repping in?
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In post 366, PenguinPower wrote:RC is town. I wouldn't have replaced in if I didn't think he was.
BuJaber is still scum. Ejj is mebee. WorstBird is balancing between right now. Walt I dunno. Garmr prob town. Shoshin...not sure if I can townread, but townlean? Io is town that will probably end up scum. Nic Cage feels off so I'm going to put him in the middle with WorstBird right now until I can figure it out.
tfw RC is the only good townread you have and it's D1.In post 429, PenguinPower wrote:
I wouldn't want to lose a duel to scum!RC...I don't mind to town!RC. Yes, I knew he dueled my slot before requesting to replace it. It's the reason why I replaced in...this slot was never not going to end up losing the duel, and I'm quite sure that most people don't want to rep in to a gladiated slot, let alone one against RC.In post 427, BuJaber wrote:PP why does RC's alignment make a difference to you repping in or not? And did you know he duelled your slot before repping in?
@ejj ^ the quotes you asked forIn post 432, PenguinPower wrote:I agree with 2 out of 3 of his scum reads. I trust RC to influence this town more than I can.
p-edit
I've already answered that.
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Based on what?In post 557, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ejj and Nicholas Cage are, I think, town no matter what universe this is
And no you're absolutely wrong about PP. He's the obvious townie among you. You asked for time and I gave you it before voting you. I was never voting PP after he answered my questions.
You're trying to justify duelling someone who hasn't posted because you're about to be lynched.
This is either a gambit or a game throw and everyone who knows knows you're far more capable than throwing the game no matter what your personal reasons were.
The Maria game is now over so I can say that I've seen you have a personal beef with Tora and it didn't seem to affect your judgement. It certainly didn't make you lolvote someone or jump to a bunch of premature conclusions.
And in fact you replaced out when you realized you were wrong on Tora and you let your feelings get in the way but here you're trying to spin this like you solved the game because of your shitty duel.
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RC in your own words describe the difference between Garmr's scum and town metas?
Because I've not seen his scum game but I've seen his towngame and stubbornness/AtE/fighting are all part of the deal.
Like he and gustavo might have a shot at being worse than you and Tora if you had a competition of dysfunctional pairings in game.- BuJaber
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You're suggesting we lynch garmr. If both of you are town we are going to lose two veterans of the setup.
Town or scum each of your thoughts on this game are going to be more useful for analysis than someone who hasn't played before.
Not for reading them based on their posts but to try and guess how they'd duel or how they'd act around duels.
And then considering there's daychat if any setup veterans are scum and are teammates with a setup newbie they'd probably be coaching them in the PT. Going to be useful for associatives.- BuJaber
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It's actually laughable how bad you think my scumgame is. I do only one thing well as scum. Mess with associatives.
If I were scum there'd be zero chance of garmr being scum with me.
Pedit : nope you expressed false invitation for people to pick your brain before you get lynched. I have expressed very clearly why I think you should be lynched instead of PP. But you keep spinning my vote into some twisted version of reality that serves your agenda. If you were being genuine and regretful you would have dropped your attitude long ago and actually tried to use your time wisely. You actually attempted to justify your duel at one point. Your regret and your willingness to work with others are both clearly fake.- BuJaber
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Probably never play this setup with you again. Wouldn't trust your trigger happy finger.In post 602, RadiantCowbells wrote:lelelelelelelelel clearly fake okay so what are you gonna do when I flip town?- BuJaber
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@RC - you're trying to spin things to fit your version of what happened. This is what actually happened:
You duelled wh4t before anyone had a chance to sort either of you. I did not form an opinion at that time.
When I engaged PP he obvtowned. I really don't see this kind of play from PP. No way he replaces in to a scum slot being duelled by you and then just doesn't even try to get you lynched. But he was saying he thought that you were town and as town you'd be better for town than he would. You also had stated around that time that you would be coming back with extra reads/thoughts. So I waited for your response while evaluating whether PP is right about you having an influence on this playerlist.
But given the reactions of people, namely garmr, ejji, shoshin, and Io, and even Nick to some extent, I disagreed with PP on you having a real influence. Even Walt who's new didn't seem that inclined to follow you. So there was no reason to keep you alive and risk letting you get away with a scum gambit over PP who is locktown imo.
Despite this I still tried to engage you to get more explanation out of you for all to see in case you are in fact town. But your reaction has been incredibly scummy. Your sudden desire to talk your way out of the lynch is in direct conflict with your earlier resignation.
Knowing what I do know about you you would have replaced out or at least fought them in public if you had personal issues with someone before you'd make a snap decision like dueling them.
The only thing that could have been classified as me townreading you was a CONDITIONAL associative read with Walt. Because I don't think you would have pointed out a hypothetical scumslip if you were his partner.- BuJaber
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In post 659, Shoshin wrote:
That's interesting. What's the TMI from Io? Just that she agrees with RC?In post 657, BuJaber wrote:And if RC flips town it's definitely Io!scum for the TMI she's exhibiting. Otherwise why would town!Io be betting the game on his reads when he hasn't flipped yet.In post 652, Io wrote:You know, after reading that last page I might change my reads.
I'd be willing to forgo killing gramr immediatly since I'm 99% certain Gramr v Ejj is TvS and Ejj sounded pretty scummy during that last page.In post 655, Io wrote:In fact. If Bujaber flips scum today I'm instadueling Ejj so we can end this game sooner.
If he flisp town, I dunno. But I can guarantee is BuJaber flips scum so will Ejj.
The way she's planning the lynches and coming up with these associations based on flips of people OTHER than RC. It feels like a lot of committment on reads that would be entirely flipped if RC flips scum. Like it's quite thourough in that it talks about 2-4 lynches in advance but the whole thing depends on RC being town and would be a wasted effort otherwise.In post 656, Io wrote:Actually no, I know what's going on if BuJaber flips town.
It'd have to be Garmr-FAQ as a scum team.
Yeah, pretty sure we can't lose this.- BuJaber
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What do you think about BrightEyed / Io slot?
Did you read my case?
Why were you voting FAQ during the duel? Why not take a position on the RC/PP thing and walk us through it?
Like if you really townread RC and thought he was better off alive also why did you not try to push for PP lynch harder?- BuJaber
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What about shoshin?In post 751, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I'm unperturbed about all on my wagon except Shoshin.In post 747, Garmr wrote:I also think there is scum guaranteed no matter your alignment between Irrelephant11(ejjinami) and Shoshin. Because the early bits of your wagon look town to me (Bujaber and penguin).- BuJaber
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Push on shoshin is kinda weak.
Why is her naked vote scummy? And why pick her out when I did the same thing but nobody talked about me?
That said, @ele where did you get all the shoshin and RC stuff? I was going to say why are we speaking about shoshin's inner thoughts and emotions but she just confirmed her motovation for joining.. did they discuss it in signups?- BuJaber
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I didn't get the impression that people liked it but it sounded really good to me. I haven't played the setup before though so I wanted a 2nd opinion.In post 793, Irrelephant11 wrote:Actually, yeah, I guess I wouldn't have
I think it's against the spirit of the setup
It's probably strictly pro-town in terms of EV but idk if I like it personally
I won't argue for or against it if most players do/don't want it- BuJaber
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I think Light will be easier to sort than Walt. New player vibes throw you off.
All I could tell for sure was that Walt and RC are not buddies because no way RC brings up a potential slip like that.
But in general I don't think scumslips based one singular words or phrases are reliable.. this also applies to NC here. We can easily read into it because of his phrasing but I think it could easily just be awkward phrasing. If he said "fypov you're town" would it still seem like a slip?
Unless you're saying he wouldn't say the whole "your pov" thing as town? That would be a more reliable tell if there was meta to back it up.- BuJaber
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I never understood this mentality..In post 835, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2
For voting an empty slot. Give the new person a chance, I say.
If someone thinks a slot is scummy, and they place a regular vote not a lynch or something close to a lynch like L-1, then why is it scummy? The rep out doesn't clear the slate.- BuJaber
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In post 838, BrightEyedFish wrote:
It's straight up opportunistic...In post 837, BuJaber wrote:
I never understood this mentality..In post 835, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2
For voting an empty slot. Give the new person a chance, I say.
If someone thinks a slot is scummy, and they place a regular vote not a lynch or something close to a lynch like L-1, then why is it scummy? The rep out doesn't clear the slate.
It's not though. Not when this mentality is widespread on the site. People will be hesitant to lynch the replacement. You have to work harder to push it through.- BuJaber
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Well yes .. sorting you is a big deal. So is making sure my read on garmr continues to make sense.In post 882, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Correct. Shoshin either will or won't vouch for me being town at some point though, which will give you a good idea of my alignment probably?In post 880, BuJaber wrote:Garmr how do you read ele and ele how do you read garmr?
I think ele trusting shoshin and joining the game with that mentality is more indicative of town!sho than it is AI for ele.
I'll be honest I stopped reading Garmr posts at some point when spectating because they were so unpleasant. I mostly haven't read them since replacing in for the same reason. How important is it that I get a firm Garmr read?
I remember RC saying Garmr is being more toxic than he normally would be as town so maybe that's a thing? I also remember Io saying "no one is townreading you because you so unpleasant they don't want to townread you" which sounded sort of buddy-y. Actually that's more of a scumread of Io thing than anything AI for Garmr I guess.
Oh and then there's the "oh of course you were offended" thing that is a slight reason to townread Garmr I guess.
Overall I come away with a tiny townlean without reading his posts much at all.
So, same question. Is my answer important enough that I like,haveto dive in to his posts?
Ejji was a little scummy and garmr SR'd him strongly. Figured this is a good way to check your slot and see how garmr sees his replacement.- BuJaber
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I think it points to to town!shoshin because if ele repped into a town slot we can trust the read, and if he repped into a scum slot I think he would still say that to make him sound believable and/or to pocket shoshin.In post 892, Garmr wrote:
ele trusting shoshin. Is nullIn post 891, Garmr wrote:In post 880, BuJaber wrote:Garmr how do you read ele and ele how do you read garmr?
I think ele trusting shoshin and joining the game with that mentality is more indicative of town!sho than it is AI for ele.I think it's nullbut when compared to eji slot I'm not really hard scum reading him as much. Still on my to sort list but a lower priority.
That leaves SvS but that would be rather ballsy of ele and I'm leaning town for shoshin anyway based on this weak push on her and her response to it. - BuJaber
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