Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

[lane0168]

/in

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@mod, can you charge someone who hasn't used their ability yet? And if player a has 1-shot, and 2 people charge them, do they have 3 shots?

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VOTE: radiantcowbells

It had to be done

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VOTE: slimer

Idc if its a joke its a weird look too

What's a weird look?

The post where you called out Porkens

Hmm. Oki

If you're not going to continue this line of questioning I will.

@manatee, you seem to think you're on to something? What's weird? Is weird scummy? Or is that rvs

[lane0168]

If someone claims dayvig and proves it ill charge them

Trying to thin the town out already? Tis only twilight, hold your horses

This shade is not a good look.

VOTE: theslimer3

The first two are tongue in cheek I would assume. Yours, not so much with the double down after game start. Tell me about it

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

ez

the worst I'm not scum this time! RC I'm still not scum this time!

Are you scum this time?

[lane0168]

you really want me to LAMIST this early? should i talk about the metadive i did on manateedude to figure out if he'd normally misinterpret a joke like that in RVS?

Pregame, not rvs. There is a difference that needs to be acknowledged. So would he normally misinterpret a joke like that in pregame? I'll wait for 4-6 pages

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UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

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UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

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VOTE: slimer

Idc if its a joke its a weird look too

What's a weird look?

The post where you called out Porkens

Hmm. Oki

If you're not going to continue this line of questioning I will.

@manatee, you seem to think you're on to something? What's weird? Is weird scummy? Or is that rvs

If someone claims dayvig and proves it ill charge them

Trying to thin the town out already? Tis only twilight, hold your horses

This shade is not a good look.

VOTE: theslimer3

The first two are tongue in cheek I would assume. Yours, not so much with the double down after game start. Tell me about it

@manatee

[lane0168]

I had no problem with Manatee's poke on slimer and I'm not sure why it caught interest between both lane and Kokichi. feels like there could be scum between those two

Vax is still a good vote IMO

too many lurkers

Why would you post this less than 24 hours into the game..?

Bonus points for not posting anything after calling out lurkers less than a day in, too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Porkens

Lady Angel, do you really think Porkens' comment is the most scum-indicative/noteworthy thing that has happened so far? I'm surprised that this was what you felt was most important to comment on

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

VOTE: manatee

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Pregame, not rvs. There is a difference that needs to be acknowledged.

also this is a weird comment

what is the Actual Significant Difference^TM between pregame and RVS and how does that difference relate to Manatee's meta and his alignment being discussed here?

you can have a townread now

Unsurprisingly

[lane0168]

Pregame, not rvs. There is a difference that needs to be acknowledged.

also this is a weird comment

what is the Actual Significant Difference^TM between pregame and RVS and how does that difference relate to Manatee's meta and his alignment being discussed here?

There's that word weird again. Is there new meta im not aware of? What is weird meaning these days?

The significance remains to be seen. But the reason it needs to be acknowledged is because they are different game states. Different mind sets. I find it odd to take anything seriously pregame, and hard to take anything seriously in RVS. They are different. To ignore that would not be considering all possibilities.

[lane0168]

Pregame, not rvs. There is a difference that needs to be acknowledged.

also this is a weird comment

what is the Actual Significant Difference^TM between pregame and RVS and how does that difference relate to Manatee's meta and his alignment being discussed here?

you can have a townread now

Unsurprisingly

No this shade is also bad, GL didn't even call me town, I just liked his reasonable thought process

I'm sure it has nothing to do with him questioning the guy questioning you and if you were in no way connected to this, you'd still post giving him a townread while ignoring questions posed to you... I don't believe that at all

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so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

Indirectly you could make that argument if you wanted. It would be incomplete. I wanted clarification, you didn't acknowledge or respond. More than once. And that's why I am voting you. And now I'm trying to figure out why you didn't just say it was a misunderstanding in the first place

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When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

?????

can anyone understand this? it it just me that just cannot parse the meaning of any of these words at all?

I can.
-Manatee voted seriously (relatively)
-I asked for him to explain
-Guilty said he doesn't get why I would be interested in a serious vote
-I said my post which I'll break down for you

If someone votes seriously, or more seriously than rvs, I want to understand where they are coming from.

If guilty isn't interested, that's on him. But I also want to know why he's not interested in the most serious vote of the game. And if it matters to him what people's reasons for voting are.

[lane0168]

you're misinterpreting guiltylion use of the word "interest" when he says "not sure why it caught interest".

That may be true. But I don't know how you're interpreting it

[lane0168]

That serious vote could just be pressure though

Could be, but it wasn't

[lane0168]

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

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The significance remains to be seen. But the reason it needs to be acknowledged is because they are different game states. Different mind sets. I find it odd to take anything seriously pregame, and hard to take anything seriously in RVS. They are different. To ignore that would not be considering all possibilities.

I don't think you totally engaged with the spirit of my question, but I guess I can see your point. But here's my follow-up to get into the nitty gritty instead of handwaving about "mindset" and what to "take seriously": If a metadive found that town!Manatee always overreacts to RVS jokes, whereas scum!Manatee never does, would that really not apply here because it was a "pregame" joke instead of an RVS joke?

It would apply, but I wouldnt ignore the difference between pregame and have start. Picking something out of pregame doesnt seem town motivated to me

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

ez

the worst I'm not scum this time! RC I'm still not scum this time!

I was supposed to take this as serious? Cause in that case yeah I'm definitely interested in hearing about it. It didn't and doesnt strike me as serious.

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UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

At the time of that post? Trying to get manatee to answer me. Right now? Trying to understand where people are coming from

[lane0168]

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

That serious vote could just be pressure though

Could be, but it wasn't

Misquote

He said was a misunderstanding.

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UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

At the time of that post? Trying to get manatee to answer me. Right now? Trying to understand where people are coming from

oh ok
how's that working out for you?

Fine, thanks

[lane0168]

manatee lady angel porkens town

You must know more about manatee than I do, which is admittedly nothing.

Nsg, it's been 4-6 pages. Can we see that manatee meta now?

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Ily Gamma, or possibly stealing pagetop will get you replaced. Noted

Pedit guess so

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If someone claims dayvig and proves it ill charge them

Trying to thin the town out already? Tis only twilight, hold your horses

Ngl while I’m neutral on Porken’s post this feels scummy

Ah christ

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VOTE: theslimer3

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

Indirectly you could make that argument if you wanted. It would be incomplete. I wanted clarification, you didn't acknowledge or respond. More than once. And that's why I am voting you. And now I'm trying to figure out why you didn't just say it was a misunderstanding in the first place

But what could it be besides a misunderstanding?

... Not a misunderstanding. Like, whatever you thought you were voting on.

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don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

wolfy

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

Can someone with meta knowledge of this person tell me if unnecessary walls are common for them?

Can you highlight the necessary and unnecessary parts please?

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UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

But how about later?

How about now? Since this a catch up and all

Probably eventually. Given the history. But I'm going to do my best to read him correctly

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i don't really have one right now. slimer is someone who i remember seeing in a lot of the games that i read before my first game and around that time of my first games, but i don't really remember any specific meta nor do i think it would be smart to think that it'd be the same after all this time.

on an individual level, tone-wise i've felt like he's been pretty natural, but looking at it again just right now content-wise he's kind of lacking which makes me lean towards scum. i don't get the sense that there are reads that he really cares about from his posting - he's just sort of making conversation with people. that being said, i've been kind of sitting back when it comes to reads myself, so i'm not sure necessarily how scum-indicative it is.

obviously i was just talking about this but his concern over you sheeping me kind of pings me. like, is "if i realize that you're town i will help you lynch your scumreads" really something that's that scary to think about? it also seems to assume that you're town too - or at least, he hasn't showed any concerns that you might be scum doing all this.

I appreciate this post. It shows process of thought and a second guessing about personal reads which scum often lacks. Hard tr

Hard tr for essentially fence sitting and second guessing a null read? I'm not following that one

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In summation: I felt as if that entire train of thought was unnecessary and the wall was fluff. I've never played a game with pregame before but I can't imagine too much can be drawn from it.

You're correct. Not too much can be drawn from it. But if you draw nothing from it, then what do you get? Like you called out lady angel for nitpicking at game start... Scum and town have to do that if the game is going to go anywhere.

I'm going to assume you skimmed the game looking for things that stood out to you without really comprehending the game state. Considering to think that entire post was unnecessary from my point of view

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Do you have more evidence on lady other than nitpicking in her third post?

[lane0168]

RC, I notice that you have been tunneling NSG since post #17. What was this deeply insightful read that you got off of her yarrr post?

LMAO! I'm sorry, but how far off that link is got me lol

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Do you have more evidence on lady other than nitpicking in her third post?

How much more evidence could someone possibly have on a being with only 4 posts? No, her third post and the timing of her votes in reference to the wagons at the time are what I'm scumreading off of.

I retract my question... There's been enough talk about lady I didn't realize that was all there was

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Not sold whatsoever on the northsidegal wagon, RC hasn't really done much to convince anyone besides practically yelling it with no substance.

I don't have to convince anyone when I've got a perfect ability to read her and no one else in this game has a perfect ability to read her.
I'm not going to make a case here: anyone can go back into games where me/NSG coincided and check if my read is accurate. it is.

Can you at least ballpark the amount of times you've correctly nailed her as scum and town?

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VOTE: nsg

@gamma, you make good points. This is classic rc. He's pretty ridiculous but I'm choosing to believe him. I think it's a better play to lynch Nsg first here.

Acknowledging that if Nsg flips scum rc will try to make everyone look like an idiot for voting him even though he already suggested voting him if Nsg flips scum

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please don't scumread me for backing off on you I can't deal with it rn

Yes! I'm pretty pumped about this because I wasn't real in board with the Nsg vote, reading through the last 15 or so posts.

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don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

wolfy

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

Can someone with meta knowledge of this person tell me if unnecessary walls are common for them?

then like going back to his reads, when the fuck does anyone town scumread anyone for 'unnecessary walls'?

I had no problem with Manatee's poke on slimer and I'm not sure why it caught interest between both lane and Kokichi. feels like there could be scum between those two

Vax is still a good vote IMO

too many lurkers

Why would you post this less than 24 hours into the game..?

Bonus points for not posting anything after calling out lurkers less than a day in, too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Porkens

Lady Angel, do you really think Porkens' comment is the most scum-indicative/noteworthy thing that has happened so far? I'm surprised that this was what you felt was most important to comment on

I don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

Tagging this as pinging my scumdar. This is something scum does often, picking a small little thing and trying to make it into more than it is.

then, like, LA brought up something that she said was a small thing and not most scummy thing and DS, apparently unironically, picked up on a small thing and tried to make it into more than it is.

LA is unironically obviously town this game, and both this push and the lane push are like awful. like lane do you not have a problem with being called 1/3 scum for making 'unnecessary wallposts'

I definitely do. I told him to highlight the unnecessary part, then came to the conclusion he didn't read it any way. I gave some slack because it was a quick catch up, and I also pointed out his reads were pretty bad

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please don't scumread me for backing off on you I can't deal with it rn

Yes! I'm pretty pumped about this because I wasn't real in board with the Nsg vote, reading through the last 15 or so posts.

y u still voting there then?

Serious question? I was at a bar, the wild game had just gotten over, I was just cruising through this game reading a bit getting uncomfortable with lynching Nsg cause and was happy about rc rethinking the whole deal. I'm still voting there because I haven't decided where else to vote.

Surely that's not foreign to you... Leaving your vote somewhere because you're not exactly sure where you want to put it next.

And then you're going to ask why I unvoted rc. And I'll answer because there was a perception that people were running up rc to 4 votes pretty quickly and I've seen dumber quick lynches within a couple pages before and I wanted nothing to do with that, avoid it.

At least that's the only reason I could think of for asking that

[lane0168]

Why don't you vote him then?

He deserves my vote, but I was thinking I'd dig into this slimer thing and figure out why he got all the votes. I haven't been getting a scum vibe from him at all.

[lane0168]

I don't think that you not unvoting NSG is scummy at all. It's not like you're leaving the vote up with the intent of getting her lynched. You just haven't got anywhere else to vote, that's pretty natural.
What is unnatural to me is the fact that you haven't voted DS to me. There's a developing wagon there, you've already expressed your agreement, they pushed on you in a really scummy way, but you don't vote there.

Why?

And Ive literally just been sleeping, now awake and catching up. Kind of rereading last night's happenings. Simply just haven't. There's not much more to it than that

Pedit: new reason for not voting there to spite you cause you keep asking. I'm not in any rush. I'd also like to make sure slimer doesn't deserve it more



So if anyone can explain the slimer thing....

[lane0168]

I'm going back to sleep

Pedit: later

[lane0168]

please don't scumread me for backing off on you I can't deal with it rn

Yes! I'm pretty pumped about this because I wasn't real in board with the Nsg vote, reading through the last 15 or so posts.

y u still voting there then?

Serious question? I was at a bar, the wild game had just gotten over, I was just cruising through this game reading a bit getting uncomfortable with lynching Nsg cause and was happy about rc rethinking the whole deal. I'm still voting there because I haven't decided where else to vote.

Surely that's not foreign to you... Leaving your vote somewhere because you're not exactly sure where you want to put it next.

And then you're going to ask why I unvoted rc. And I'll answer because there was a perception that people were running up rc to 4 votes pretty quickly and I've seen dumber quick lynches within a couple pages before and I wanted nothing to do with that, avoid it.

At least that's the only reason I could think of for asking that

Ok I guess you didn’t want to drunk post?

No. I didn't want to spend the time to move my vote while I was out with friends

[lane0168]

Not yet caught up but why are people voting DS? His beginning was towny. What changed?

What was towny? Nothing changed

[lane0168]

Lady, I'm not going to quote that because I'm not going to edit it on mobile, but, your two points there were that I am posting a bunch and defending myself - neither of which I take as a negative personally. I know my own alignment so of course I'm going to defend myself or ask questions when I get pushed. That's logical. It's an easy way to gauge other peoples alignments off of a baseline. As far as how much I post, well I post on mobile so you won't get walls from me, and I have no issue with posting because the site metas I come from have more pages on day one than this game has with a deadline of only 48 hours. Get used to it.

Posting a lot is fine if it weren't for the fact that a pretty large chunk of your posts had basically no content whatsoever. Defending yourself is also fine when it's reasonable, but the fact that you threw yourself at RC for a page and a half with only one vote on you kind of wasn't.

I mean just because it was directed at you doesn't mean it's not content, and the back and forth with RC had nothing to do with a vote being on me and everything to do with his lack of progression on his reads. You're not really scum reading me for any real reason if you're being honest with yourself.

My favorite is the irony of you calling my wall unnecessary, and then someone calling you out for contentless posting.

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VOTE: Not mafia

Purely a pl, and I am still interested in NSG. But give me a better reason not to

wat

Why are you so underwhelming this game? Am I completely misremembering you being much more active months ago?

[lane0168]

VOTE: ds

[lane0168]

I tallied it myself and I'm at 5 and I'm not willing to be lynched accidentally so yeah hi IM THE TRACKER YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

Why are you screaming your role and calling us idiots like tracker is the holy grail? I doubt it's the best role, arguably worse than mine but that's a matter of opinion.

This seems, at the risk of sounding biased, like a bit of a contrived overreaction. I'd also admit that dealing with rc can have that affect on people.

[lane0168]

I believe it btw

... Would there be a reason not to? This post has me scratching my head

[lane0168]

Okay?

Are we playing a name the most powerful role game now or something?

No, we're playing a mafia game where everyone has a role and some are more indispensable than others game.

[lane0168]

I believe it btw

... Would there be a reason not to? This post has me scratching my head

Yes. He could be scum trying to live. But for reasons I believe hes tracker

Right, but that's kind of irrelevant. Do you believe he's town is the question

[lane0168]

How the hell is manatee hard town?