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Post Post #1274 (isolation #200) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:35 pm

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Post Post #1287 (isolation #201) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:19 am

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In post 1282, the worst wrote:VOTE: Dunn
head saying this is right but telling me dunn/aus are t/t
I think I'm wrong abt Dunn before Aus tho so stfu gut!
are you roleplaying as sesq?
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #202) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:34 pm

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I agree with lynching nsg and ausuka being correct at any rate

should we just lynch dunn and move on? there's nothing going on since ever

just get him flipped and then maybe sheep me on nsg and ausuka being the wolf team?
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #203) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:41 am

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ok, let's get this done then

regardless of dunn's flip, I'd go NSG next

VOTE: dunnstall
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #204) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:48 am

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L-1 ye
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #205) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:19 am

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In post 1329, the worst wrote:Dunn has been wolfy
Dunn is l-1 and has disappeared
Dunn is good at town and can be awkward as scum
why the fuck would we lynch anyone else but that D:
also Eragon feels like his fingers are bleeding as much as his heart I might need to reacquaint myself with his scum meta before I'm OK with a lynch there

P.S. sent you a gift Ausuka, hope it hatches a regional!
I can vibe with this

I don't think lynching eragon makes any sense today

dunn, ausuka and NSG are all being kinda obtusely unhelpful, but at least with ausuka I can vibe with her feelings and I think her emotions are genuine. I agree dunn's d2 was scummy, and he is a slot we're flipping as soon as we lynch anyone else and they don't flip scum, cause even dunn defenders have him POE'd down. we should just commit to this lynch now and move on, before we all lose any will to keep playing. I'm sure we're all bored by now.
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #206) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:29 am

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I'm reading eragon now and I can actually see it

I'll finish ISOing and give a veredict
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #207) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 419, Eragon wrote:
Irrelephant11 wrote:we've got a couple hours might as well use 'em

Anyone else around?

@Huntress, what would you say if I told you scummy word choices were a reason to townread Keyser?

pedit: whatever you're thinking

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i mean, there 4 posts dont really have much to read off, tbh id read them more off the flips.

If volxen is town then i might look at them/sesq a bit more, but if Volxen is mafia i think huntress is going to be quite towny.
i know bussing is a possibility, but how easy is it to just come in, state intent to hammer, and vote sesq?
Instead, they came into the thread, gave a few starting reads, then said they dont want a sesq lynch and voted Keyzer.
then said they're fine with volxen, but preferably not sesq, so more defending sesq, who was at (L-1 was it?) and a few more reads.

so if i had to make a read right now i think id give them a town lean for their posts
I find the excessive associatives with the volxen flip quite alarming, especially considering eragon had just subbed in 2 hours ago. this feels very unnatural from a recent replacement.
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #208) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:40 am

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irrelephant is definitely town

I'm 1/3 of the way through eragon and yeah, he is very LAMIST, but if I were to scum case him it'd be over nitpicky things/reactions he had that aren't quite right as town. he is a slot to resolve down the line IMO, not for the next 2 gamedays.

kinda vibing with ausuka being town btw.
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #209) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:41 am

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anyone should be able to townread keyser
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #210) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:47 am

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you townreading ausuka right worst?

how about eragon?
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #211) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:01 am

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some of those phrases look scummy tbh
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #212) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:21 am

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In post 298, northsidegal wrote:
In post 286, Reundo wrote:but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part.
next up on
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lazy
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™ - we'll be taking a note out of mathdino's book and we'll be townreading hypocrisy!

after all, i would personally imagine that newbie scum (assuming volxen is a newbie) would feel self-conscious about trying to push someone for something that he himself knows he's doing. of course, that's assuming that volxen recognizes his own inactivity, but i think we can take that to be true given this:
In post 216, volxen wrote:I've been busy with work, I will respond more tomorrow.
this read vibes as town talking about scum to anyone else?
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Post Post #1383 (isolation #213) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 477, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm curious if scum plan is "hey you claim TPR but we'll go tunnel on you and make sure you're still the lynch until deadline even though you're the lynch anyway"

which is what the plan would be if any of tw/keyser/reundo(/maybe ausuka) are scum with volxen. It's not a bad plan but idk how likely it is scum thinks of it/is around to pull it off
posts like this one are the reason irrelephant is town

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Post Post #1386 (isolation #214) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:51 am

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In post 492, Eragon wrote:No matter what volxen flips he’s always the lynch
this is bad phrasing :/
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #215) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:53 am

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In post 519, Eragon wrote:
In post 500, the worst wrote::ok_hand:
red flip d1 feels good man

drunk ducky gonna slep now gngn
I think this is actually TMI, because he was already like “red flip Day 1 feels good”

I mean, town never KNOWS that the person is scum unless a TI has a guilty, but TW acted like he KNEW volxen was scum, not HOPING that volxen was scum and not actually watcher.
this is good

TW did feel a lot like TMI now that I'm reading it again
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #216) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 528, the worst wrote:
In post 521, Irrelephant11 wrote:It might be both

VOTE: the worst
VOTE: northsidegal
ehhh nsg is town as well
what gives?
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #217) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:57 am

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In post 1392, Eragon wrote:also, i just remembered still no one has answered,

what was the general read on Dunn at the end of D1
I don't think I paid any attention to dunn. NSG was scumreading him and I think that's mostly it as far as anyone taking any stance on dunn.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #218) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:00 pm

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ausuka probably town btw
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #219) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:08 pm

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In post 385, Dunnstral wrote:tinfoil theory: Eragon is scum and his partner(s) felt the need to welcome him in thread to try to seem like they're not talking in pt

Not a serious theory jsut something to consider I guess
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Post Post #1404 (isolation #220) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 383, volxen wrote:
In post 381, Eragon wrote:Aye this playerlist is lit AF.

That’s literally the reason I joined even though schools starting.

Driving home from the airport, so will maybe do stuff later
(Or just meme with teh wurst and tora)
Welcome, Eragon.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #221) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:10 pm

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I'm not suggesting dunn is correct, I just think it's towny that he said that
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #222) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:13 pm

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I think dunn's post is towny yes

and it's especially towny when scum was greeting you
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #223) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:16 pm

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In post 448, Ausuka wrote:this is like 75% scum I think but do we risk it :/
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #224) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:18 pm

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In post 461, the worst wrote:I'm not the watcher.... I'm a duckling



duh
I'm impressed you weren't NKed n1 with the amount of TMI posting that volxen was scum at that EOD
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #225) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:20 pm

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In post 491, Eragon wrote:Literally the only play is to kill volxen.

If we lynch him and he’s watcher, then someone else takes his place and we get their results N1

If we lynch him and he’s scum, GREAT!

If we don’t lynch him and he’s watcher, and he’s town, he dies tonight and we don’t get results for N1

If we don’t lynch him and he’s scum, we’ll then we lynch him tommorow, which is a day later than we should
this lacks nuance
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #226) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:32 pm

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In post 730, northsidegal wrote:
In post 726, the worst wrote:waiting for Nauci to catch up and nsg to descend from the heavens once more
you mean to wash up on shore again? (the joke is that i'm washed up)

anyways, hello. i'm somewhat disappointed in myself for not voting scum, but it's alright. updated reads (mostly from memory) -
i think the ducky is town because i think scum ducky would go for more distancing from volxen
, which i don't remember seeing. i think maybe i townread ausuka too quickly, though i'm not sure (again, entirely from memory).

um, i think that's it for what i wanted to say, at least before i read anything.
bolded is the absolute opposite of what happened ITT

when volxen's wagon formed, the worst was extremely loud about lynching him

that's a scummy made up read.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #227) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 860, Toranaga wrote:kop/eragon is a very spicy spot indeed

the worst was talking about a world where both dunnstall and ausuka were town and it's a scary proposition but I'm gonna randomly guess that means kop is scum everytime and I'll be right too
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #228) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:59 pm

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In post 1180, Eragon wrote:
In post 1142, northsidegal wrote:
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i am about to start my catch-up, but this post deserves a special mention.

I don't give a crap HOW rude it is, you could be the dickiest person out there and it doesnt matter(your not, just an example, hence the could), because getting angry/being rude isn't really scummy/bad.

But when you start going "If you think im scum that means your either shit or scum"
that type if post is BS and if your town, i sincerely hope you never make a post like that again as town.
if your scum, go right ahead
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #229) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:15 pm

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what if dunn, nsg and ausuka are all town
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #230) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:35 pm

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In post 284, Sesq wrote:
In post 254, volxen wrote:So Apparently, having reads and trying to help gamesolve is scummier than, say, doing absolutely nothing and actively lurking while being blatantly apathetic about it. Let’s look at 2.718’s, Toranaga’s and Sesq’s recent posts:

2.718:


in , he declares that
nothing
is worth his attention. I mean, what exactly was the purpose of this post? To prod dodge? Or is it more along the lines of “hey I probably could gamesolve, but it’s just not worth my time”? Whatever the case, it certainly didn’t contribute anything. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

And then in , he asks “everyone else” to get some wagons going because he finds the game to be getting “boring”. So rather than doing something productive himself, he is simply expecting
everyone else
to produce content. Again, blatant active lurking and apathy.

In , instead of helping to gamesolve he gives excuses for why he
isn’t
helping to gamesolve. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Toranaga:


In , he literally admits to not having any interest in this game and blames it on everyone else. Again, a case of someone expecting everyone else to make the game interesting, rather than producing meaningful content themselves. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

In he namedrops me, Sesq, and 2.718 as his scumreads, only to say that he could case all of us,
if only
he had the motivation to do so. He’s carrying himself with this “I don’t give a shit about this game, but if I did I could easily gamesolve the whole thing” attitude. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

and are just fluffposts.

In , he once again reinforces his lack of motivation in this game. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Sesq:


He votes for me in , with no explanation other than “Yeah, I can see that”. Then in , he declares that he might as well vote for me because, hey, he didn’t have any of his own scumreads anyways. What is he trying to say here, that he doesn’t think for himself and try to gamesolve, but rather just goes with the flow? Blatant active lurking and apathy.

We’ve got multiple people who are engaged in blatant active lurking and complete apathy towards this game, and yet I’m the first one to even bring it up in this post. Why is that?
well yeah, if nothing else stands out to me

nothing is really super apparent with this gamestate and you looked kinda like scum so im gonna sheep it. what else did you expect?
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Post Post #1424 (isolation #231) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:39 pm

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In post 346, Sesq wrote:the reason i was aggressive in earlier games is because i was an angry weird child and now am i unable to put passion into anything at all

including this game

volxens town

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #232) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:40 pm

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In post 361, northsidegal wrote:also, hello huntress! it's been too long! :D
In post 346, Sesq wrote:the reason i was aggressive in earlier games is because i was an angry weird child and now am i unable to put passion into anything at all

including this game

volxens town

UNVOTE:
i can relate. to the second part, mostly.
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #233) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:04 pm

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would NSG pick on a scum partner's posting style the way she did with kop?
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Post Post #1427 (isolation #234) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:18 pm

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In post 922, the worst wrote:
In post 919, northsidegal wrote:for the record i'm still pretty null on nauci
Nauci is in this game?

I'm fully not joking when I say I'm pretty sure this is how the Nauci I know would play scum :lol:

and I'm not gaslighting
and I'm not poking her into vomiting content
I'm just nervous
how are you reading nauci rn?
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #235) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:58 pm

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VOTE: eragon
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #236) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:27 pm

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In post 1431, Eragon wrote:
In post 1428, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: eragon
why do you SR me?
I'm starting to think NSG and ausuka are actually town, and my POE has been those two + you and dunn for a while. I think if you were town you'd be a lot townier than you've been, from that one game we played together. I'm scumreading some small things. I think dunn gets lynched tomorrow regardless of your flip.
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #237) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 1432, Eragon wrote:
In post 1410, Toranaga wrote:
In post 461, the worst wrote:I'm not the watcher.... I'm a duckling



duh
I'm impressed you weren't NKed n1 with the amount of TMI posting that volxen was scum at that EOD
why would he be killed for giving off TMI??

isnt TMI bad?
knowing volxen is scum requires one to be the watcher, or scum.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #238) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 1435, Eragon wrote:
In post 1426, Toranaga wrote:would NSG pick on a scum partner's posting style the way she did with kop?
:think:

you think I would be buddies with NSG
nah, I think if you flip scum that likely clears her even
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Post Post #1448 (isolation #239) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:31 pm

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VOTE: dunn
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #240) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:41 am

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In post 1492, Nauci wrote:
In post 1446, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1432, Eragon wrote:
In post 1410, Toranaga wrote:
In post 461, the worst wrote:I'm not the watcher.... I'm a duckling



duh
I'm impressed you weren't NKed n1 with the amount of TMI posting that volxen was scum at that EOD
why would he be killed for giving off TMI??

isnt TMI bad?
knowing volxen is scum requires one to be the watcher, or scum.
are

are you a time traveler
he claimed watcher, remember?

so if you're the watcher you might behave like TW
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #241) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:43 am

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I'll be unsurprised whatever dunn flips tbh
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #242) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:53 am

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ye ye

keyser is obvtown imho
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #243) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:31 pm

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In post 1234, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1200, Toranaga wrote:in before she is the watcher
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #244) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:39 pm

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VOTE: eragon
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #245) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:42 pm

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I personally think it's always either eragon or the worst
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #246) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:53 pm

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In post 383, volxen wrote:
In post 381, Eragon wrote:Aye this playerlist is lit AF.

That’s literally the reason I joined even though schools starting.

Driving home from the airport, so will maybe do stuff later
(Or just meme with teh wurst and tora)
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In post 385, Dunnstral wrote:tinfoil theory: Eragon is scum and his partner(s) felt the need to welcome him in thread to try to seem like they're not talking in pt

Not a serious theory jsut something to consider I guess
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #247) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:58 pm

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last scum is actually incredibly hard to figure out and I can see eragon's posts on d2 as not w/w with dunn as well

I really don't know where to go.

are we sure nauci is town?
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #248) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:09 pm

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In post 1618, the worst wrote:
In post 1594, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: eragon
do you rly think we had two heavily competing wagons on scum yday?
eragon is really towny today so I don't think so

but it could have been a thing certainly

I'm kind of leaning you rn cause of d1 EOD TMI, but I can't get over how towny GNB was and some of your strongest dunn/volxen pushes look really good too

I just... don't know where else to look. everyone looks like town.
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #249) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:14 pm

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In post 1632, the worst wrote:
In post 1629, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1618, the worst wrote:
In post 1594, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: eragon
do you rly think we had two heavily competing wagons on scum yday?
eragon is really towny today so I don't think so

but it could have been a thing certainly

I'm kind of leaning you rn cause of d1 EOD TMI, but I can't get over how towny GNB was and some of your strongest dunn/volxen pushes look really good too

I just... don't know where else to look. everyone looks like town.
Ok given you've voiced none of this til now, more or less treated me like I'm town then gone L0LWAGONZ suddenly d3 after I've been involved in shaming scum b2b can you see why my read of you based on d3 is diminishing hard? :(
but everyone else looks like town, dude
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #250) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:13 pm

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I wish I'm never a lady lambdadelta situation no matter what that means
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #251) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 pm

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TW, I'm not really scumreading you, but I don't see anyone else who could really be a wolf right now

VOTE: the worst

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Post Post #1722 (isolation #252) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:17 pm

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if I'm to explain why I think it's you: you had a very sudden change of heart wrt your own volxen read and started talking about volxen like he was lockscum when he was not, and I think the way you approached the whole thing was supposed to get you killed n1 as the watcher (minor point); your progression on dunnstral makes no sense and feels the most like scum distancing who doesn't wanna defend someone that will eventually flip anyway on one hand, but otoh wants to get another lynch through on d2.
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #253) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:58 pm

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yes you're VI as fuck
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #254) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:59 pm

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I don't mean this as an insult, you're a good player keyser

I just think you're very honest and relatable on a newer player sort of way
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #255) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:05 am

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also it's ok to be wrong about people, I was pushing ausuka and NSG hard and I was probably 0/2 there wasn't I

I don't see the scum motivation in anyone casing me d2
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #256) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:40 am

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In post 1731, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1726, Toranaga wrote:yes you're VI as fuck
What did you think of Irrelephant's case on you?

I wouldn't put him in the VI category... :shifty:
I think all cases on me are quite terrible, but as far as irrelephant is concerned, I'd check d1 EOD where he was bugging volxen to not be in antispew and make reads as he was going down. I think irrelephant is close to spewed clear based off that already and I've seen no reasons to scumread him otherwise.

my irrelephant read is close to my read on everyone else but the worst. very good villagery sounding posting + spewed clear by scum. you, for instance, is kind of spewed clear by volxen using pushes on you to attack people with.
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #257) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:57 am

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In post 1747, Keyser Söze wrote:(We’re not the old couple in the bed spooning, watch the video)
(yes you are)
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #258) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:58 am

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if TW is scum all I can say is thanks @ everyone for being so goddamn towny the entire time and carrying the game as a collective
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #259) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:16 am

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yeah tw needs to claim, and contrary to d1 I think we should actually move the vote somewhere else if he does claim watcher

TW's only play as scum here is to claim VT
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #260) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:58 am

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there's angles and stuff but it's not worth talking about them during the game
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #261) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:01 am

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if the worst is scum NSG had kind of a glorious game. she even shaded GNB a bit and only townread volxen for bad shit that doesn't work, similar to the way I was choosing to townread dunn d2 but with none of the impact.
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #262) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:30 am

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keyser is a slot that half the thread is strong scumreading and the other half is pretty sure it's town

kind of unique
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #263) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:26 am

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In post 1786, the worst wrote:
In post 1753, Toranaga wrote:yeah tw needs to claim, and contrary to d1 I think we should actually move the vote somewhere else if he does claim watcher

TW's only play as scum here is to claim VT
I am indeedy a backup/vt
last sentence gross af
that's my only play as either scum or actual backup lmaoo
oh god that's gross as fuck tw lol

ok who's scum?
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #264) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 1783, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1781, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1780, northsidegal wrote:elli-tell
tell me more
Ellibereth's wiki wrote: Ellitell (2012): People who are active in all games save one are scum in said game.
outside thread reads are nasty af
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #265) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:27 am

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not a stab @ u, it's a site mentality and it's ok on ms

just rubs me the wrong way
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Post Post #1796 (isolation #266) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:31 am

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I'm not ok with the way we're winning this

VOTE: reundo
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #267) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:45 am

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you calling it gross makes it gross cause then I can't unsee how you're angling this lol

oh well

I'll take it
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #268) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:46 am

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I mean in a way

if your wolf team is dunn and volxen, you have to bus the fuck out of them to win

oh well

he wasn't even scummy doing it either
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #269) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:36 pm

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I'm not actually scumreading anything reundo did in this game either
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #270) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:36 pm

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and I remember seeing that post as towny too, yeah

oh well
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #271) » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:37 pm

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I wish the worst felt more right as a lynch than it does
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #272) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 am

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I'll flash look at ISOs and see where my gut leans me
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #273) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 am

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I'm literally clearing keyser on his entrance
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Post Post #1829 (isolation #274) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:32 am

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VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #275) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:33 am

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reundo is a fine lynch too
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #276) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:34 am

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VOTE: reundo

scummy af entrance
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #277) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:34 am

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there

guts better than brains like always
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #278) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:25 am

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loool nice gif
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #279) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:28 am

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the only people legitimately playing poorly flipped scum

and yeah the worst is a genius
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #280) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:43 am

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tw keeps pinging me lol
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #281) » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:45 pm

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we're exorcising scum this game, you got that right
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #282) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:15 am

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you can't handle the juice
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #283) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:16 am

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btw I felt #508 could've been scum indicative for reundo but I decided his d1 was way too strong dunking volxen to come from scum

smart thing to point out tho keyser
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #284) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:19 am

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I'm checked out until I see a flip
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #285) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:24 am

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aaaaaaand Im home

should I try a last ditch effort at solving this for real before we lynch reundo?
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #286) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:42 am

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keyser, would you play a mafia game where gamedays last 2 real days and nights last one day?
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Post Post #1886 (isolation #287) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:54 am

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kop was actually really towny when he was around, and there's this post dunn made d1 saying scum was greeting scum!eragon that feels a little too out there to be a svs thing (also because volxen greeted him, so it'd be dunn pointing at both his partners with this stuff), so I'm gonna argue that eragon is close to spewed clear and shouldn't be touched until much later.
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #288) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:10 am

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GNB's posts are not towny

I normally can't read tl;dr stuff because I get bored 2 lines into it and move to something else, so I've been brief skimming and townreading effort on whatever GNB did without any evaluation, really. but now I read every word he posted, and he made 2 kinds of posts: NAI mech talk posts that looks wrong on a surface and isn't actually helpful at all for anyone; surface level reads and commentary on the game that looks like scum.
In post 55, GameNBurger wrote:Keyser I will say I’ve preferred to just call out lurkers based on ratios of post and if it’s awful ask they replace or change
I don’t see lurking as a valid town playstyle personally

Keyser if you haven’t played wih sesq before from what I rmember sesq has a laizefair attitude and tone to their posts and keeps to themself or atleast that’s how I rmember his playstyle looking

Although to be fair I played scum with them I think the last time I played with them
I think keyser is being a bit stiff on all the sesq stuff

I’ve addressed Northsidegals points already how I disagree with letting people be shit at passing basketballs just because they’re atleast passing it to people on the correct team but do chime in with more questions North if I’ve missed anything

Irrelephant you aren’t trying to distance yourself from me by addressing my direct question with an indirect tense response right? ;) You don’t have to be afraid, you can adress me and I promise I won’t bite

Uh I got nothing else to say right now that caught my eye

Feel free to ask anything, it helps me since I’m often phoneposting

Pedit: how can I write anything gamesolvery when I don’t think a majority of the players have even posted????
this sesq defense catches my eye because he is not pointing at anything towny sesq is doing, and then lightly pushing keyser for being "stiff", but that read doesn't go anywhere. the rest is descriptive or blend. #108 is his other big post with reads, but it's really lacking in any reads and it's just defending himself/pushing people that push sesq/lots of descripting things and explaining his own mindset. I actually don't like this now.

lemme read everything reundo posted next.
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #289) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:20 am

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In post 50, Reundo wrote:
In post 48, Keyser Söze wrote: I forgot we’re in an Open game obviously.

I should have given a different example.

I don’t wanna discuss whether my early question was alignment indicative anymore though, why are you getting so excited over it? Do you have any charged feelings over anything else?
How is it obvious that you forgot we were in an Open game? That doesn't even make sense given your talk about hypo-claiming. Also, that wouldn't have really mattered that much since announcing whether a game does/doesn't have have day talk is pretty common regardless of the setup. I don't know how you're getting the impression that I'm getting "excited" over it, and sorry to disappoint but I don't really have any "charged feelings" about anything else. Sesq's post wasn't really thrilling scum-hunting but I don't think it was that bad, GameNBurger's theory talk was pretty null, northsidegal calling out GameNBurger for not wanting to be town-read for the wrong reasons pinged me at first, but when she elaborated on it I could kind of see where she was coming from. However, you wanting to drive discussion away from you plus you being weirdly defensive about the whole thing rubs me off the wrong way.

VOTE: Keyser Söze
this is towny. he is evaluating many players in a concise, direct manner that shows lots of thought processes on the slots he is talking about.

go to #119 and read his reads list. it's very towny and accurate based off flips. good volxen read and I'm townreading the way he is lightly pushing dunn while calling him null there.

#220 is just town. why am I voting this guy?
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #290) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 247, Reundo wrote:
In post 245, Dunnstral wrote:Who was town reading Volxen?
In post 193, Dunnstral wrote:Volx looks town to me
You were? Also 2.718 in his reads list. What's not compelling about my case?
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #291) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:22 am

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In post 286, Reundo wrote:I'm on my phone rn so I can't really quote or respond to anyone right now, but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part. Also don't like how he didn't respond to any of my questions and that his only critera for scum-reading people has been based on his "active lurking" theory. Admittedly, his later posts do seem a bit better for reasons I might explain later and the sheer speed of how the wagon built up is a bit suspcious, but my vote's fine here for now. I'm null on the duck.

I might have to go v/la for the weekend since I might literally not have access to wifi during that time, so just a head's up on that.
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Post Post #1891 (isolation #292) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:24 am

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VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #293) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:34 am

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VOTE: no lynch
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Post Post #1893 (isolation #294) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:37 am

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oh we can't

fuck
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Post Post #1894 (isolation #295) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:40 am

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VOTE: the worst

we need to flip this
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Post Post #1897 (isolation #296) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:55 am

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I like his reads on other slots as well, they're very nuanced. his activity fell off a cliff but only his entrance felt scummy to me. OTOH, there's a fair amount of points going against the worst, primarily the way his reads progressed on both volxen and dunn.

I'll actually gather all his posts about both slots in a bit so you can see it.
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #297) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:25 am

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In post 395, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.13

Sesq (5)
- Dunnstral , northsidegal , the worst , volxen , Ausuka
volxen (3)
- Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze
Keyser Söze (1)
- Huntress
Toranaga (1)
- Irrelephant
Huntress (1)
- Eragon

Not voting: Toranaga

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In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum

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In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum

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VOTE: volxen

volxen made a lot of scumsplaining and description posts that added no leans and didn't help the game move forward. I think he has a bigger chance of being scum than sesq who is probably kind of... incoherent? regardless of what they rand.
In post 406, the worst wrote:I'm down. righteous af flashwagon

VOTE: volxen

anyone who doesn't vote volxen in their next post is scum with him tbqh
calls volxen townier than sesq and basically argues that volxen shouldn't be lynched d1 cause he'll be obvious later on, then immediately hops on his wagon after I vote him and keeps calling him lock scum from this point until end of day, when volxen's posting simply wasn't warranting such a strong scumread. he doesn't interact with volxen at all and just keeps calling him lock scum without explaining to any depth why he thinks that, and there isn't any moment in which the worst even considers the possibility volxen might be the watcher, which looks a lot like TMI to me.

it just feels like bussing the more I read that part of d1 EOD.
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #298) » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 1905, the worst wrote:I mean his fakeclaim was meme levels of scum flailing
does like...anyone disagree? lmao

pedit: GNB's posting was garbage
look at any of his other games
his posting is garbage regardless of alignment

you guys need to read me, not my pred who can't play mafia
can you go through how you were so sure volxen was scum? I don't think volxen flailed, he had very consistent posting throughout and fought his lynch well. what did you see that was so clear?
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #299) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:17 am

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Post Post #1935 (isolation #300) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:30 am

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man I really can't see keyser as scum

if that guy is scum I tip my fucking hat to him
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #301) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:59 am

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as far as svt goes for TW, there's also that moment dunnstral says scum was greeting scum!eragon because they don't have daychat, when the people greeting eragon were volxen and the worst. that's countered by all the evidence against the worst though, and if you read his interactions with dunn and how he progressed his read on dunn, it might actually be the worst looking one.
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #302) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:41 am

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I'll actually respect you so much more for this game if you're scum ducky

this was pretty good and you weren't swayed at any point by your scum partners potatoing and did your best to opportunistically move lynches from them whenever you could

if you're town eh, it is what it is, you played well too
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #303) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:03 am

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just lynch him before people lose interest please
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #304) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:07 am

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if TW flips town, I'll be energized to do it again

I don't think reundo is scum so it's not a [TW, Reundo] gamesolve for me

it's a "if it isn't TW then what the fuck" state and I need his flip to reimmerse myself in the game
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Post Post #1956 (isolation #305) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:11 am

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I'd free townread anyone else but you doing this, my friend

appreciate the effort regardless though
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #306) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:13 am

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it's not relevant if he comes back tonight or not
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #307) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:18 am

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reundo is town

I want you to hammer TW, idk if he wants you to or not.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #308) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:24 am

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good gif choice

hope this wins it
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #309) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:30 am

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MS needs engaging, respectful people who are competitive about mafia whenever they're playing it

a mafia game only works if you care about it

I'm having kind of a frustrating experience with mafiascum recently because it feels a lot of people either stop caring midway through or never really wanted to play it in the first place. this game is good because almost every slot is engaging and trying.
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #310) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:20 pm

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ffs don't be town :////
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #311) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:24 pm

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we have another 2 lynches and the watcher can always lolbink the last scum

you're being pessimistic
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #312) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:26 pm

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I don't like reundo's last post.
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #313) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:28 pm

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TW, you're hard clearing NSG, right?

anyone else you're dead set on never being scum this game?
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #314) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:38 pm

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TW, you should realise we need to know who your hard clears are

no one else should even mention anyone they're hard townreading but you really should and now is the time to make your voice heard for next gameday
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #315) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:48 pm

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I'd go reundo > nauci tbh, not keyser

I'm that blind about keyser

sesq was really scummy. I get that sesq is spewed town by volxen trying to lynch her when claiming watcher but consider a game where the wolves are literally sesq, volxen and dunnstral. fake spewing your scum mate town is a legitimately great play there and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he did just that when they were both the main wagons the entire d1.
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #316) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:51 pm

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this is suddenly one of the hardest games I've played
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Post Post #1993 (isolation #317) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:52 pm

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I know you wouldn't clear me for this game but I really wish you gotten there before dying
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #318) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:56 pm

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sorry to disappoint. I'm consistently good but only great sometimes. I don't think I'm fucking the game up or anything like that, I'm just not finding scum and it's hard when you're all genuine sounding and I know nothing of your scum ranges. I could have read past games etc but I'm too lazy to do that.
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #319) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:05 pm

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yeah tbh I was expecting a bit more from you this game as well

you had some brilliant moments of gut reading into stuff correctly with lots of confidence and didn't actually deserve to be lynched at all. I mean you totally dunked on volxen and dunn. it just looked like bussing when you did it.

rip in pieces ducky
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #320) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:13 pm

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In post 344, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.11

Sesq (4)
- Dunnstral , northsidegal , the worst , volxen
volxen (4)
- Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Ausuka
Toranaga (1)
- Irrelephant
[2 718281828459] (1)
- Kop

Not voting: Toranaga , [2 718281828459]

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  • - Ausuka has been prodded. She has (expired on 2018-09-02 10:23:45) to post before I start searching for her replacement.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #321) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:23 pm

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In post 1999, Toranaga wrote:
In post 344, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.11

Sesq (4)
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Dunnstral
, northsidegal ,
the worst
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volxen

volxen
(4)
- Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze ,
Ausuka

Toranaga (1)
- Irrelephant
[2 718281828459]
(1)
- Kop

Not voting: Toranaga ,
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #322) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:26 pm

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In post 476, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.17

volxen (6)
- Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3)
- Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1)
- Huntress
Toranaga (1)
- Irrelephant
Huntress (1)
- Eragon

Not voting: N/A

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Post Post #2003 (isolation #323) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:37 pm

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volxen is actually a late sesq wagoner and only starts pushing her strongly once they've become competing wagons

what do you expect from volxen in a svs situation here? to roll over and die?
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #324) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:40 pm

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In post 2004, the worst wrote:given he did the fakeclaim I don't think it was his intention to roll over and die nah
good, so, if he claims vt, he gets lynched and then sesq gets lynched d2, right?

if he claims watcher, he might not get lynched, he might get sesq lynched and then claim towncred for it even if he doesn't draw a NK, he might out the real watcher and make sesq look good etc

I don't think this is spewed clear. I think it's the opposite. I think sesq would actually look better if volxen just rolled with a vt claim and died there.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #325) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:47 pm

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In post 2008, Eragon wrote:
In post 2006, Toranaga wrote:
In post 2004, the worst wrote:given he did the fakeclaim I don't think it was his intention to roll over and die nah
good, so, if he claims vt, he gets lynched and then sesq gets lynched d2, right?

if he claims watcher, he might not get lynched,
he might get sesq lynched
and then claim towncred for it even if he doesn't draw a NK, he might out the real watcher
and make sesq look good
etc

I don't think this is spewed clear. I think it's the opposite. I think sesq would actually look better if volxen just rolled with a vt claim and died there.
those two thoughts can't go together, its one or the other
yes it's one or the other

he could get sesq lynched and claim towncred for it, or get lynched himself and make sesq look good as it happened

if he claims vt, we're steamrolling sesq next gameday 100% of the time, right? the reason we didn't lynch sesq next was because volxen claimed watcher
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #326) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:50 pm

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my argument isn't that bussing is all that beneficial for volxen. my argument is that he had no other choice but to push sesq hard there, regardless of sesq's alignment.
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #327) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:55 pm

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the most likely scenario there would still be volxen getting lynched

someone else dying at night instead of volxen can be explained away by scum fearing the claim is a fake claim and not wanting to kill someone that's always getting watched by the real watcher

it's thin but there are reasons

my argument is that we shouldn't clear sesq for volxen pushing her because there are clear benefits for scum!volxen to play like he did when scum!sesq is the counterwagon.
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #328) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:56 pm

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In post 2018, Eragon wrote:
In post 2017, Toranaga wrote:the most likely scenario there would still be volxen getting lynched

someone else dying at night instead of volxen can be explained away by scum fearing the claim is a fake claim and not wanting to kill someone that's always getting watched by the real watcher

it's thin but there are reasons

my argument is that we shouldn't clear sesq for volxen pushing her because there are clear benefits for scum!volxen to play like he did when scum!sesq is the counterwagon.
why would the real watcher watch someone they know is fake claiming?

likely as scum
if sesq flipped scum, wouldn't you watch volxen n1?
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #329) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:58 pm

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lol I could read it

yeah fair

IDK who the scum is
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #330) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:06 pm

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what's your home site, eragon?

looks cool
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #331) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm

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maj is 4
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Post Post #2047 (isolation #332) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:50 pm

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I've cleared reundo last time I went through his ISO, yes
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #333) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:58 pm

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I'm just going to roll with reundo being last scum while not being confident about it

it's very similar to the spot we had last gameday with duck. it's just who we lynch next cause every evaluation of you/nauci/irrelephant/keyser will also point in that direction to me.
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Post Post #2056 (isolation #334) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:24 pm

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reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #335) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 2057, Nauci wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote:reundo with the scummy posting.

saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.

I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you
I mean I do this all the time as town because writing up giant walls of careful analysis takes time regardless of alignment?
he did that last gameday as well if you don't remember
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #336) » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:47 pm

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In post 2060, Reundo wrote:
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote: saying 3 people are never scum here isn't the sort of confidence you're supposed to have.
You didn't seem to have a problem when Eragon or Nauci did almost the exact same thing. Why is it a problem when I do it?
In post 2056, Toranaga wrote: I don't like that you're stalling yet again instead of posting your thoughts. seems like you're avoiding doing so cause crafting the fake reads will take a lot of effort from you
What thoughts have I avoided sharing? I've already stated my reads yesterday, which haven't changed going into today. At this point it's just a matter of me fleshing them out, which you can't expect me to do at the snap of a finger.

P-EDIT: Thank you, Nauci. That's exactly what I was trying to say.
you could have stayed and shared your reads anyway. we spent hours talking after the worst was already hammered and declared himself town. you made one post and disappeared. now you're doing a very similar routine. eragon is right that after d1 you didn't provide much of anything in terms of trying to solve the game, and I don't compare you with nauci or eragon because they're both constantly working on the game, while all I've gotten from you recently are promises. I'd expect you, with the little amount of time you have, to actually have some material ready for this gameday as well since you're the other VT claim from last gameday and you were never dying at night.
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #337) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:34 am

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In post 2069, Nauci wrote:Someday we'll all Hydra together

It'll be a 300 page game
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #338) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:36 am

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I'm in favour of us going over everything again for the 20th time as much as the next guy

but reundo claimed VT so he is the lynch today regardless. I'm sure you all understand how it's not mechanically appropriate to bug any other slot to hardclaim today.
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #339) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:10 am

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yeah but we townclear his posts on d1, and he got increasingly scummy as the gamedays progressed.

yes he was the first on volxen. yes he cased the fuck out of volxen. but remember the reasons you had for townclearing me and keyser. they're still there. and I'm sure you didn't even ISO either of us to say you're at me/keyser. you're just looking at VCs.
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #340) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:13 am

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IDK, maybe you used to be better

it's about how I shifted the wagons to volxen d1 if you go back there and see the momentum shifting as soon as I voted him. and then I was towny throughout the entire game, solving the whole time and never stopping.
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #341) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:14 am

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my first and second votes were on scum this game btw.
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #342) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:15 am

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I just never scumread anything he writes

maybe he is scum and I have a blindspot for the guy, but he feels absolutely genuine the entire time he is here.
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #343) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:17 am

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reundo's posts this gameday are scummy btw, while keyser isn't. reundo posting one thing after worst was hammered and not hanging around to talk to us was scummy, while keyser remained active. also IDK, if you think I'm scum, don't you townread me/eragon/worst twilight posting? cause I'm strong townreading eragon for those interactions with us and it doesn't feel too hard to get there wrt me either.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #344) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:07 am

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I'm reading d2 SOD and I'm very strong townreading eragon, keyser and I think irrelephant on them. this post:
In post 593, Eragon wrote:19999999999999% confirmed town{Nauci}
Spoiler:
kidding.



{Irrelephant, The worst, Keyser}
{toranaga, nauci}
{Ausuka, NSG}
{dunnstral, Reundo}


right now Im not very confident on the reads themselves, because I haven't had ISO dive time yet.
Basically this is just the strength of my reads, so the top bracket is my strongest town reads(but not, like, confirmed town, or "IMO never ever flips scum town")
second is town reads, but could sort of go either way
Ausuka and NSG are basically null
And dunn and Reundo are both small scum reads, but not very confident in them
eragon pretty much had the game nailed d2 SOD :P
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #345) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:29 am

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In post 809, Reundo wrote:
In post 784, Keyser Söze wrote:@Reundo - help me with Toranaga and Ausuka.
Both can’t be scum... so either both town, or one scum?
Hmm... I've been thinking about this, and I've decided that Toranaga probably is the scummier one out of the two. I could sort of get Ausuka's thought process throughout D1, but with Toranaga, he seemed to subtly push volxen throughout the day but never actually voted him until the last second. Doesn't really scream that towny to me, tbh. Also, I'm kind of just running out of things to post about. I'll just park my vote here for the time being.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toranaga
this is a scummy post but I'm having a hard time phrasing why. if you check reundo's posting before this vote on d2, he was strong scumreading keyser, but here he just decided to roll with keyser's duality between me and ausuka to evaluate which one is scummier. I don't like his reasoning for scumreading me here, it feels fabricated and not real thoughts he had about my slot as town.
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #346) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:29 am

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VOTE: reundo

I think this is it
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #347) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:31 am

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In post 817, Reundo wrote:
In post 812, the worst wrote:Reundo, do you really consider town!suka/scum!anaga to be more likely than t/t here?
Educate me on why this conversation is t/t. I think both of them have decent scum equity, and they probably both need to be lynched unless the other flips scum. I don't either looks any scummier than the other in their conversation alone, but as a whole I just view Toranaga a teeny bit scummier than Ausuka. That being said, I didn't really look into Eragon's ISO dive on Ausuka before posting, so maybe Ausuka actually is the scummier one here. I'd be surprised if they both flipped town, honestly.
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #348) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:36 pm

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In post 2103, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2099, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: reundo

I think this is it
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #349) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:05 pm

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Post Post #2115 (isolation #350) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:08 pm

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I cringe at my play this game tbh
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #351) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:19 pm

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In post 2117, Eragon wrote:
In post 2115, Toranaga wrote:I cringe at my play this game tbh
eh you aren't playing bad
o you have no idea
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #352) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:28 pm

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looks like a fun site
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #353) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:38 pm

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lmao
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #354) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:24 pm

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it should be your new avatar
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #355) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:04 pm

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I like the detail where this is literally a sheep in wolf's clothing
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #356) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:21 am

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In post 1969, Reundo wrote:I never got a chance to do my catch up! :( It was basically just going to end up with me listing a bunch of reasons why I wanted to lynch the worst anyways. Still disappointed you guys decided to hammer w/o hearing from me first, but that's basically my fault for being so inactive these past couple of days. Sorry about that everyone.
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In post 2052, Nauci wrote: but before we start voting and whatnot

Reundo can you write out your full thoughts on why you think keyser is scummy, and why it couldn't be me/eragon/irrelephant
Yeah, sure. I'll try to work on this over today/tomorrow.
In post 2127, Reundo wrote:I'm really sorry, I haven't had the time or motivation to gather my thoughts yet. I'll have to postpone my catch-up till at least Friday, but I'll try my hardest not to let you guys down.
can we end this game now?
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #357) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:21 am

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it's saturday
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #358) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:38 am

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why are the news triggering panic attacks? where do you live, nauci?
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #359) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:12 am

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In post 2144, Nauci wrote:
In post 2143, Toranaga wrote:why are the news triggering panic attacks? where do you live, nauci?
the US

an entire week saturated with men shitting all over sexual assault survivors in order to put one on the Supreme Court \o/

survivors have had a rough
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month
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time since our assault(s)
ah, I only read anything about it today and by what I read, I don't think the climate of the early 80s would leave many men in positions of power. I'm not american so take those 2 cents for what they're worth, which is literally not even 2 cents.
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Post Post #2147 (isolation #360) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:15 am

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I meant to say I watched Animal House and they're all serious sexual harassers in that movie so it seems like an american thing back then
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #361) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 pm

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whoops indeed lmao
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #362) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:51 pm

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I'm not interested cause I'm brazilian so this isn't relevant to my personal life
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #363) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:52 pm

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well I slip constantly but it's usually the other way around
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #364) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:55 pm

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and remember folks

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Post Post #2159 (isolation #365) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:01 pm

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offspring is awesome
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #366) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:05 pm

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listen to this

believe me

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Post Post #2165 (isolation #367) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:25 pm

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Post Post #2166 (isolation #368) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:25 pm

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we'll wait mate, don't worry

I'm not unvoting you though
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #369) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:55 am

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I'm trying my best to pay attention to reundo's case against keyser, but almost nothing reundo points as scummy of keyser are things I find scummy and it just seems like reundo is picking on small details on keyser's ISO that can be pushed, instead of trying to determine if keyser is really scum. I'm not saying Reundo is definitely scum, but I don't think his case on Keyser is genuine scumhunting.
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #370) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:00 pm

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oh yeah btw, irrelephant's idea on keyser claiming is absolutely awful
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Post Post #2197 (isolation #371) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:01 pm

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it's not scummy, it's just

no
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #372) » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:32 am

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In post 2206, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 2202, Reundo wrote:Sorry for the radio silence. I'll get my Toranaga ISO done tonight.
at what point do you scumread someone for false promises
he is scum, he is stalling and his case against keyser isn't good
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #373) » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:40 am

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this game is ending very anticlimatically

I had some very fun moments here and liked playing with all of you <3
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #374) » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 2202, Reundo wrote:Sorry for the radio silence. I'll get my Toranaga ISO done tonight.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #375) » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:50 pm

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should I case myself for reundo?
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #376) » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:56 pm

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In post 160, Toranaga wrote:I'll read later
giving excuses. scummy.
In post 161, Toranaga wrote:
In post 49, Keyser Söze wrote:That’s your first post...?

VOTE: Reundo
I dig it
no reason given, "digging" a vote on town like only a scumfuck would
In post 162, Toranaga wrote:why so many words in every post

jesus christ
- taking the name of the lord in vain
- scumplaining about the length of stuff cause he doesn't care about parsing out alignments

and why waste a post with this? aren't you basically complaining the thread is big enough? how does you adding shit to it help?
In post 190, Toranaga wrote:keyser, idk man, I lost interest with this game cause nobody is playing it

half the slots are scummy so idek where to vote
????????????????????

vote one of the scummy slots??? if everyone was towny I'd understand thinking like that
In post 192, Toranaga wrote:
In post 191, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 190, Toranaga wrote:half the slots are scummy so idek where to vote
Give names
I already did

volx, sesq, numbers guy

I could case them all if I had the motivation to do so
rule of 3
In post 241, Toranaga wrote:did we lolhammered volxen?
faking unawareness. if he was town he'd just count the number of votes. this is classic LAMIST wolf play and something toranaga actually does so fucking much

so @reundo, wanna pick from there? gave you a headstart here buddy
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Post Post #2222 (isolation #377) » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:02 pm

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I see enormous potential in getting myself lynched if I really decided to case myself

in retrospect some of my posting is hmmmmm
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #378) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:22 am

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reundo's post about me is so fucking good
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #379) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:55 am

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no, his post about you isn't really good at all
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #380) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:54 am

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stay strong brother

pay attention to your classes
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #381) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:55 am

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I'm finding reundo awfully relatable
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Post Post #2264 (isolation #382) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 am

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yes we lynch reundo today

pedit: IDK. I don't think I should. gutread from the last 2 pages vs the entire game, you know? I just like his recent posting. he still needs to flip.
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Post Post #2266 (isolation #383) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 am

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I have no objections to the hammer. it is exactly as you said. I'll properly evaluate keyser and all the rest of players if reundo is town. right now, I'm unwilling to do so. and yeah reundo claimed backup, so it's safer to lynch him because we don't shrink the POE for the watcher.
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #384) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:07 am

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let this be it
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Post Post #2269 (isolation #385) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:12 am

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btw reundo whatever your alignment is, it was an immense pleasure to play with you and you made some of the finest posting I read on this site recently. you're awesome to play with even if you were mostly not around to do so.
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Post Post #2273 (isolation #386) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:28 am

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it's done already though, you don't get to unvote a maj
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Post Post #2277 (isolation #387) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:33 am

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ye me, irrelephant, keyser and eragon = 4
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Post Post #2280 (isolation #388) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:42 am

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ooooooooo true

alright
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Post Post #2281 (isolation #389) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:42 am

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nono you didn't ruin it, I didn't see reundo unvoted there
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Post Post #2282 (isolation #390) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:42 am

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*keyser
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Post Post #2302 (isolation #391) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:12 pm

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of course he will. town or scum, he'll try to find someone to get lynched in his place. why is that troublesome to you, nauci?
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Post Post #2306 (isolation #392) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:17 pm

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if keyser is town and reundo is town, we're almost always losing, no?

how come keyser coming from this very straight forward perspective scummy? he and reundo are the POE all 4 of us are working with rn, and they're both sure the other is scum too.
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Post Post #2307 (isolation #393) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:18 pm

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we can't no lynch, so next gameday is lylo effectively unless I missed anything re: setup
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #394) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:33 pm

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hammer him then

let's just move on :shrug:
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Post Post #2314 (isolation #395) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:41 pm

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I'm not lynching you keyser

let's lynch reundo
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Post Post #2315 (isolation #396) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:42 pm

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ok you mentioned a deep wolf. who is it? gun to your head. if you're both town, who is the scum?
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Post Post #2316 (isolation #397) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:44 pm

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nauci, you're suggesting the man that's arguing he needs to be lynched now isn't displaying anything towny in his ISO? I highly doubt that. if this is scum, it's quite abusive scum theatrics from an extremely talented actor.
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Post Post #2318 (isolation #398) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:45 pm

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keyser if you and reundo are both town, the only one who can make town win tomorrow is you. reundo will not convince anyone of anything else.
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Post Post #2319 (isolation #399) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:48 pm

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I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw

you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.
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