Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[Shoshin]

the worst is scum, 100%

[AnonymousGhost]

With a sound of thunder, others joined in the fray, flinging words like throwing cards.

In the background, Penguin ate a burrito as he watched the entire thing with wide eyed wonder.

Duel Vote Count 1.5

RadiantCowbells: Nicholas Cage, Garmr, Walt, Shoshin
PenguinPower:

Not Voting: XxtheWORSTxX, BuJaber, Io, ejjinami

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the Duel deadline will be killed.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-09 12:57:38)

Lynch Deadline Frozen @ 7 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes

[Shoshin]

Ejji, also scum.

[Shoshin]

Hey RC, let's talk about the game while you're here, then. Do you agree that it's TW & Ejji?

[Shoshin]

UNVOTE: Radiant

[Walt]

I see the ejji case but why is TW scum? Is it meta?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not sure of anything because I have exactly 0 confident townreads to start working around.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I can -fairly confidently- put Ejji down as scum actually

I'll start from there.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know why people act like not being able to back down is a bad thing.
This is the wild west not flag football. Step up and have some confidence in your reads.

and die miserably later on

idk, it might be just me. I generally tend to get paranoid about every single read when I get to lynching them
I mean, there are exceptions, but they don't happen very often

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.

whoa :O that's kinda cool

Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.

but you can't back out of it
it's good late game, because of the rising scum influence, but early in the game it's just unneeded
jeez, that's what I was talking about the whole time

i guess it would be hard to convince someone with a really confident read,
but...
if most of the players in the game are town...
and they think your read is weak..........
and the game is in its early stages, so you'll have a lot of time to observe your target and see if it's you or them who is being stupid...
...........

sigh, I mean, it obviously doesn't apply to people with an obvious meta and stuff like that

but idk, I guess it depends on experience :/ I don't think I'll be dueling anyone early on anyways.
Perhaps later in the game, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

why watt?

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

And?

It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.

Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?

I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.

It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.

Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.

I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that

and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical

It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed

the ridiculous overoccurence of Io in his ISO gives her a pretty solid amount of scum equity
I had this read before I think

[RadiantCowbells]

I think TW, RC, PP, and Io are town. In a normal lynch I'd be voting for Nic right now.

His willingness to take the bullet. If he starts backpedaling and pushing votes on PP, then I'll reassess.

this is a really convenient position for scum with PP to take
'RC is town for agreeing to be lynched (so let's lynch him) but if he starts backpedaling and pushing votes on PP he's scum'

[RadiantCowbells]

Not so convinced on Ejjnami scum

Walt has very high scum equity here

What changed your mind?

Mostly that I think Walt freakout on me while saying I didn't trust my reads maybe maybe makes Ejjnami more town than not.

Lol, wait, you really are confident that walt is scum

I didn’t have any serious interactions with him, so if you were SRing me and him before, how did you get that “not SvS” read?

but this strongly reads to me as not paired

[RadiantCowbells]

so I think I need to develop multiple sets of scumteams

Ejj/Io
Penguin/Walt

[RadiantCowbells]

there's really objectively too many people who are scummy as fuck in this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think there would be an extreme amount of information obtained from lynching penguinpower immediately after me and determining if the duel was TvS or TvT

[RadiantCowbells]

I kind of want to rebuild the game around Garmr being scum

[RadiantCowbells]

yea

garmr/bujaber was some damn good shit

[RadiantCowbells]

damn

that is like

good shit

[RadiantCowbells]

ok
let's rebuild around that
those 2 chucklefucks are scum
SO

Ejjnami spewed town I think at the very least

[RadiantCowbells]

also I went back and verified my meta on garmr
not only is he perfectly willing to be as big and random of a toxic dick as he has been this game as scum
him being like this strongly points towards him being scum

[RadiantCowbells]

like town garmr doesn't start randomly accuse people of being brain damaged and spreading said brain damage around
he's scum and more to the point he's pissed because I called him and his buddy out

now, I'm still going to try to solve the rest of the game because that's the way I roll

[RadiantCowbells]

am i?
eh
nah
i'm good actually tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

amusingly I think it's not implausible that the scumteam is ejji/buja/garmr

[RadiantCowbells]

also think that you shoshin make a fairly good candidate

you were calling me scum when I was pushing buja/garmr then backed off when I got distracted

[Garmr]

also I went back and verified my meta on garmr
not only is he perfectly willing to be as big and random of a toxic dick as he has been this game as scum
him being like this strongly points towards him being scum

STFU you are the toxic piece of trash not me you wouldn't got my backlash if you weren't.

Also if it's calling someone toxic and trash I've done that as town before (been banned for saying worse as town. When I told someone to shove something up their anus and fuck themselves among other things.)

[RadiantCowbells]

right, i totally deserved to be called brain damaged for saying that you were scum.