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Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:40 am

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In post 2240, Reundo wrote:I'm not really sure. I guess on a subconscious level I care more about how I come off than I really should, and I think that plays into why I don't post that much. I also think my drive for playing mafia is kind of waning a bit. Like, if I get started on posting then I'd probably spend a good few hours straight analyzing the game, but finding the motivation to actually get started writing something is kind of hard for me. Whenever I try to post something it takes me way longer than it should, like I'd pop in hoping to whip up a quick post in 10 minutes and it ends up taking me an hour for some reason, and the sheer time sink required from me just steers me away from posting in general, and I've had a lot less time on my hands overall than I used to.
Whatever your alignment is, I'm with you on this one.

I have so much trouble casually posting that I'd procrastinate on really playing like it's homework.
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Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 2233, Irrelephant11 wrote:on another note I laughed out loud at tor casing himself
I never thought tor was scum I just wanted to see if Reundo would take advantage of my "strongest scumread" and suddenly find tor to be scummier than keyser

@reundo can you explain why you've been so quiet overall?
In post 2229, Keyser Söze wrote:Well if you’re scum you’ve lost.

And if you’re town you’re gonna die too: while your read on Volxen was glorious on D1, since then your pro-active urgency to find scum and reads have been hideous.

I’m not scum.
I was hoping you could turn the game on it’s head. You have invested too much “equity” into one player and not enough looking at the whole playerlist - something that you should have done today as you have been such a distant figure.


FYI: Flip flopping isn’t scummy. And it’s especially not NAI if I keep flip flopping to lynch scum.
I agree here
(With the fact reundo won’t win as scum here)
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Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:46 am

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I umm forgot to comment first post

Just LOL or whatever
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Post Post #2253 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:47 am

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In post 2235, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Reundo :twisted:
The dome of thunder is a continuity of history
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Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:48 am

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great, eragon and nauci are here
do we lynch keyser the top poster or reundo the bottom poster
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Post Post #2255 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:48 am

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In post 2236, Keyser Söze wrote:Reundo’s ‘Tora re-read’ became the ‘even more reasons why Keyser Söze is scum re-read’ :giggle:
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Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:49 am

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In post 2241, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think reundo is more likely to flip scum
I think leaving scum!Keyser for mylo is the scarier option
The truth

Do we want to have the best chance of winning RIGHT NOW, with a tough MyLo
Or do we want to have the easiest LyLo IF we are wrong
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Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:50 am

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In post 2250, Nauci wrote:
In post 2240, Reundo wrote:I'm not really sure. I guess on a subconscious level I care more about how I come off than I really should, and I think that plays into why I don't post that much. I also think my drive for playing mafia is kind of waning a bit. Like, if I get started on posting then I'd probably spend a good few hours straight analyzing the game, but finding the motivation to actually get started writing something is kind of hard for me. Whenever I try to post something it takes me way longer than it should, like I'd pop in hoping to whip up a quick post in 10 minutes and it ends up taking me an hour for some reason, and the sheer time sink required from me just steers me away from posting in general, and I've had a lot less time on my hands overall than I used to.
Whatever your alignment is, I'm with you on this one.

I have so much trouble casually posting that I'd procrastinate on really playing like it's homework.
but causal posting is the BEST!

Just have FUN!
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Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:50 am

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In post 2254, Irrelephant11 wrote:great, eragon and nauci are here
do we lynch keyser the top poster or reundo the bottom poster
Read my other post

Reundo is the risky lynch with the best scumchance

Keyser is the safer lynch with a smaller scumchance

That’s exactly where I stand
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Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:52 am

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And back to class I go

;_;

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Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:54 am

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stay strong brother

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Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:55 am

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oh wait it's actually just lylo because there isn't a no lynch option
Let's see

If we lynch Reundo and he flips town
Someone claims watcher tomorrow, and they pretty much get to pick the lynch (unless scum is out-there enough to cc, which I doubt)
Keyser, if town & not watcher, has a reaalllll uphill battle to find and lynch scum
Keyser, if scum, has an uphill battle to lynch tor

I'm just gonna interrupt myself to say IF IT'S ERAGON, SO HELP ME

If we flip Keyser and he's town
Reundo just gets lynched, I guess, since he's already claimed backup and is the obvious PoE

Since Reundo's lynch is more inevitable than Keyser's, I think it makes more sense to lynch him today? Plus then we don't have to deal with "oops we outed Keyser the watcher AND Reundo flipped town"
'cause the watcher is our best hope of fixing a mislynch either way

Whatever let's flip Reundo already, in honor of the worst
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Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:55 am

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I'm finding reundo awfully relatable
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Post Post #2263 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 am

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Any objections?

pedit: does that mean you townread him orrrrr
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Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:56 am

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yes we lynch reundo today

pedit: IDK. I don't think I should. gutread from the last 2 pages vs the entire game, you know? I just like his recent posting. he still needs to flip.
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Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:57 am

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yeah I mean everything reundo has posted is like a glaring "I'm town!!!" sign but on the other hand the rest of us actually
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Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 am

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I have no objections to the hammer. it is exactly as you said. I'll properly evaluate keyser and all the rest of players if reundo is town. right now, I'm unwilling to do so. and yeah reundo claimed backup, so it's safer to lynch him because we don't shrink the POE for the watcher.
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Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:06 am

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VOTE: reundo
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Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:07 am

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let this be it
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Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:12 am

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btw reundo whatever your alignment is, it was an immense pleasure to play with you and you made some of the finest posting I read on this site recently. you're awesome to play with even if you were mostly not around to do so.
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Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:24 am

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TBH I kinda just skimmed Reundo's posts but I can't get over the reasons I have for scum reading Keyser

Short list that's probably not comprehensive (am on mobile at a doctor's office because I was accidentally 90 minutes early oops)

-Total lack of calling out Volxen's weird obsession with him (there's like no universe where the town Keyser I know would just ignore this)
-VCA that makes sense as scum: it was too late to jump off of the volxen train by the time he got back to the thread; his changes on dunnstral were
-Weird flip flopping on dunnstral that was very... self conscious
-non-stop defense by saying that things I and others have called him out on are things town would do, totally ignoring their context, INSTEAD of explaining how he arrived at those views
-spent a lot more time actively trying to dictate the game state/pace that far outweighed presenting cases and evidence (which feels pretty similar to his play here)
-I read a lot of Keyser posts I could understand the motivation for in AP and here

Like as far as I can tell, the case y'all have one Reundo is low activity compared to his other game?

But can anyone show me where Keyser's scum read changes ever made sense? Like even his pivot to Reundo after hard town reading him? That pivot was like grossly opportunistic to me. Same with the hard pivot to scum reading TW. All of the pivots were when someone else gave reasons to doubt someone, like when Irrelephant and I questioned TW's posting or when Irrelephant questioned Reundo. Every time we have Keyser + someone else in our bottom 2 he pushes the other player HARD.

Like I just don't see why people town read Keyser besides post count, which is totally non-alignment indicative for him.

P.S. Keyser since you're talking a lot about Reundo being tunneled, what are your reads? Did you ever end up doing the ISO of me you promised like, last weekend or something?
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Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:27 am

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if it's keyser, nauci and reundo deserve an award
I unvoted because I'm willing to wait for Keyser to answer Nauci's question
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Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:28 am

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it's done already though, you don't get to unvote a maj
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Post Post #2274 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:28 am

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In post 2261, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh wait it's actually just lylo because there isn't a no lynch option
Let's see

If we lynch Reundo and he flips town
Someone claims watcher tomorrow, and they pretty much get to pick the lynch (unless scum is out-there enough to cc, which I doubt)
Keyser, if town & not watcher, has a reaalllll uphill battle to find and lynch scum
Keyser, if scum, has an uphill battle to lynch tor

I'm just gonna interrupt myself to say IF IT'S ERAGON, SO HELP ME

If we flip Keyser and he's town
Reundo just gets lynched, I guess, since he's already claimed backup and is the obvious PoE

Since Reundo's lynch is more inevitable than Keyser's, I think it makes more sense to lynch him today? Plus then we don't have to deal with "oops we outed Keyser the watcher AND Reundo flipped town"
'cause the watcher is our best hope of fixing a mislynch either way

Whatever let's flip Reundo already, in honor of the worst
Can you do the exercise of looking at whether Keyser's various vote changes/pushes have made sense to you from a town perspective? If so, can you explain them to me?

Because I absolutely just do not see them, while I very much understand the bits of reundo's posts I've had time to read. I'll go read them now since I"ve got another half hour to burn here lol.

But then I'm out the rest of the day because I'm getting my eyes dilated again lol. BUT SOON I WILL HAVE LASIK AND SEE SUPER GUD (well, theoretically by Oct 20)
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