Fresher,
Like it's the first semester
Rock it like Queen when I'm Under Pressure
While the rest are of these cats all siesta
Get loose like change when its on your dresser
Boom
Here comes the real volume
Had enough to wake up and shake this tomb
I can act like skate decks in concrete rooms
We're about to face what makes this move
People used to tell me that I'm on my own
They said I'd never make a distance on this microphone
Cause there's a million other people who can sing this song
I said thanks for the push, 'cause you are alone
You wanna try to take me under
I'll never bow till I'm six feet under
Listen to the sound of rolling thunder
You can't break me
You'll never take me down
In post 2261, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh wait it's actually just lylo because there isn't a no lynch option
Let's see
If we lynch Reundo and he flips town
Someone claims watcher tomorrow, and they pretty much get to pick the lynch (unless scum is out-there enough to cc, which I doubt)
Keyser, if town & not watcher, has a reaalllll uphill battle to find and lynch scum
Keyser, if scum, has an uphill battle to lynch tor
I'm just gonna interrupt myself to say IF IT'S ERAGON, SO HELP ME
If we flip Keyser and he's town
Reundo just gets lynched, I guess, since he's already claimed backup and is the obvious PoE
Since Reundo's lynch is more inevitable than Keyser's, I think it makes more sense to lynch him today? Plus then we don't have to deal with "oops we outed Keyser the watcher AND Reundo flipped town"
'cause the watcher is our best hope of fixing a mislynch either way
Whatever let's flip Reundo already, in honor of the worst
i agree?
but i feel reundo has more of an uphill battle to stay alive in LyLo/MyLo if Keyser does flip town
ALSO AM I ABLE TO HELP YOU IF I CANT EVEN HELP MYSELF???
In post 2270, Nauci wrote:TBH I kinda just skimmed Reundo's posts but I can't get over the reasons I have for scum reading Keyser
Short list that's probably not comprehensive (am on mobile at a doctor's office because I was accidentally 90 minutes early oops)
-Total lack of calling out Volxen's weird obsession with him (there's like no universe where the town Keyser I know would just ignore this)
-VCA that makes sense as scum: it was too late to jump off of the volxen train by the time he got back to the thread; his changes on dunnstral were
-Weird flip flopping on dunnstral that was very... self conscious
-non-stop defense by saying that things I and others have called him out on are things town would do, totally ignoring their context, INSTEAD of explaining how he arrived at those views
-spent a lot more time actively trying to dictate the game state/pace that far outweighed presenting cases and evidence (which feels pretty similar to his play
here)
-I read a lot of Keyser posts I could understand the motivation for in AP and
here
Like as far as I can tell, the case y'all have one Reundo is low activity compared to his other game?
But can anyone show me where Keyser's scum read changes ever made sense? Like even his pivot to Reundo after hard town reading him? That pivot was like grossly opportunistic to me. Same with the hard pivot to scum reading TW. All of the pivots were when someone else gave reasons to doubt someone, like when Irrelephant and I questioned TW's posting or when Irrelephant questioned Reundo. Every time we have Keyser + someone else in our bottom 2 he pushes the other player HARD.
Like I just don't see why people town read Keyser besides post count, which is totally non-alignment indicative for him.
P.S. Keyser since you're talking a lot about Reundo being tunneled, what are your reads? Did you ever end up doing the ISO of me you promised like, last weekend or something?
i dont have input on the first, cuz
1. i wasnt really around
2. i dont have a keyser!Meta to look at
second,
I find that part of the read sort of WIFOM-y, because jsut because "he makes sense as scum with that VCA", means really nothing? you hear?
definitely agreed on the flip-flopping, and i beleive i also caslled that out
fourth, i noticed that a couple times too, but thats not really a strong reason to lynch someone
fifth, so more meta, im ignoring that
more meta, which i wont base my read off of, but i can see viability i guess?
On reundo, not neccesarily only low activity, but the fact he seemed normal D1, then just lost all WIM after that and hasnt really done anything, except make "ISO cases" that have done really nothing but prove Keyser "is scum"
I do think the self-preserve was awkward, but i dont feel its Scummy, so-to-speak, but more a red flag
and im not sure how many people are actually townreading keyser? i think its more, "could be scum but Reundo's worse"
In post 2274, Nauci wrote: In post 2261, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh wait it's actually just lylo because there isn't a no lynch option
Let's see
If we lynch Reundo and he flips town
Someone claims watcher tomorrow, and they pretty much get to pick the lynch (unless scum is out-there enough to cc, which I doubt)
Keyser, if town & not watcher, has a reaalllll uphill battle to find and lynch scum
Keyser, if scum, has an uphill battle to lynch tor
I'm just gonna interrupt myself to say IF IT'S ERAGON, SO HELP ME
If we flip Keyser and he's town
Reundo just gets lynched, I guess, since he's already claimed backup and is the obvious PoE
Since Reundo's lynch is more inevitable than Keyser's, I think it makes more sense to lynch him today? Plus then we don't have to deal with "oops we outed Keyser the watcher AND Reundo flipped town"
'cause the watcher is our best hope of fixing a mislynch either way
Whatever let's flip Reundo already, in honor of the worst
Can you do the exercise of looking at whether Keyser's various vote changes/pushes have made sense to you from a town perspective? If so, can you explain them to me?
Because I absolutely just do not see them, while I very much understand the bits of reundo's posts I've had time to read. I'll go read them now since I"ve got another half hour to burn here lol.
But then I'm out the rest of the day because I'm getting my eyes dilated again lol. BUT SOON I WILL HAVE LASIK AND SEE SUPER GUD (well, theoretically by Oct 20)
Glasses are the key to survival.
i personally would hate lasic because i heard it effects the other type of your vision that is good
In post 2275, Nauci wrote: In post 2272, Irrelephant11 wrote:if it's keyser, nauci and reundo deserve an award
I unvoted because I'm willing to wait for Keyser to answer Nauci's question
I am not wanting Keyser to answer me though because he has repeatedly shown me that his answer is "but town also does X"
I want YOU and Tor and Eragon to look at my points and try to follow Keyser's narratives and trains of thought
i dont really follow it and i dont think its "towny" but i dont think its as scummy as you think.
i remember one game that i was playing normally and this person called me out for not vote-dropping and that was p.much the only basis for their push, even though i explained it. so some people just have their playstyle that they get called out on, and that could be it. im not arguing that its not "good or towny" though.
In post 2285, Nauci wrote:I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
but in the end
Still waiting for the doooooctor
It starts with one,
one thing, i dont know why
it doesnt even matter how hard you try
becuase in the end it comes down to fate
didnt you say that about the worst?
is the game over?
no.
We still have a chance to win even if reundo is town.
In post 2292, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze (for the benefit of those still angling a Keyser counter wagon).
(Will force myself to do one final read with 5 days to go).
if your town, and you think reundo is always scum, why the hell do you self-vote??
IMO this is trying to act non-self-preserving
also, you say if reundo flips town its game over?
what if you flip town?