Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

TRing tw slot a bit from past few pages, proper read reserved until performer (hi, thx for replacing in) posts.

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Also, can I get a summary of what's happened so far? That would be great.

D1
We compromised lynched on cjv and he flipped scum. There were multiple wagons going/dissipating, and several replacements and huge apathy. The frank/ejji/elephant slot was the other potential lynch fmpov.
tw and A50 called cjv on scum based on meta (despite siteflake cjv and lack of posts, and drove the lynch).

D2
GE plays bad, doesn't really defend himself, gets lynched.

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@performer, any read on my slot? duck tunnelled me a lot past few days.

[Performer]

I combed through a few ISOs and recalled thinking alonzo seems town, but that's all I got so far. So I'm just going to go on the posts starting from where I replaced in.

also hi performer I've tunneled your slot for like 100 pages but now I think you're town.

I'll summarize in a bit if nobody else wants to

I guess I need to re-re-evaluate enigma too

Yes the summary would be great. I don't follow why you tunneled tw for 100 pgs and and think he's town, while he thinks you're scum.

Ruru - Repout NAI. Can't say more

As long as we agree to massclaim + lynch.

Though I'm still in favor of no lynch + no massclaim just for tonight

why no lynch ? My predecessor wanted mass claim for d4 ?

RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.

ruru and tw? So...ruru tunneled tw for 100 pgs, tw voted ruru....and you're saying they're scum? Why?

[Enigma]

Sorry never really summarised my reads.

At this stage for scum:
Elephant prime candidate. Alonzo/Buj solid maybes.

[Enigma]

Still maybe worried about deep wolf skitter (non-goon fue to hypo inno), but suppose now I think the trick is to look out for apathy late game (from her scum PYP X/Y) .. if she is alive then

[Performer]

Enigma I'll get your posts tomorrow or Monday at latest. Will be busy the rest of today. Thanks for the summary btw.

[ruru]

RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.

so, for people who haven't played with me and don't trust the skitter inno here is a quick guide to determining my alignment in this game:

this is how much I tend to post as scum: I was the 2nd lowest poster among living players in that game. I simply don't have the experience or mental stamina to make this many posts as scum. as town, I'm consistently among the top 5 posters, so obviously I would try to post more than that as scum now that I have meta, but I could easily get away with hanging around the #3-#5 slot in this game as scum without being at all scumread by postcount rather than being the loudest and most aggressive player in the game. the latter does not tend to come from inexperienced scum players and I've played one game of scum in my life.

if someone in this game is playing against their post count meta as scum it's korina>skitter>me.

I also wouldn't hard bus tw if we were s/s, because that would require a

lot

of successful theatre for us to not both get caught since we're both spammers. I'm on record as thinking this way about bussing

[ruru]

I actually don't mind GE got lynched, because he would have been a disaster to sort late game and would be unlikely to have been NKd anyways.

admittedly this could just be mirroring my thoughts on the matter, but this feels like a town post

[ruru]

@performer this was my d1 summary

d1:
lots of bad setup spec

skygazer hypo-traitor-claims her scumteam and lurks/shitposts, some people think it's scummy but her wagon dies out

skitter/ruru tvt for a while
a50 acts lynchbaity and gets some questionable votes on him
vex/a50/skitter/ruru eventually elected townbloc

I try to policy lynch frank(ejji(you)), not really strongly scumreading him, get spooked by how easy lynching him seems

Sky ellitells, interest in lynching renewed
tw replaces sky, gets tunneled by me+skitter
tw pushes ceejay, a50 agrees ceejay is scum, ceejay gets lynched

half the game flakes out

a50 shot

(the "you" here refers to irrel)

[ruru]

D2
GE plays bad, doesn't really defend himself, gets lynched.

this is actually an adequate summary of d2, not much happened

I guess it's also notable that I thought tw bussed ceejay based on some meta reasons and said as much at the start of d2

and enigma also had a lot of scumreads on d2

d3 you should probably just read?

[ruru]

I think lynching {bujaber, irrel, enigma} probably wins the game and in the cases where it doesn't massclaiming today is better than not massclaiming today

[Irrelephant11]

I’m fine with massclaiming

I’m curious why I’m in lynchpiols with Enigma and buy given they’re my two fav lynches

[ruru]

that shouldn't need explanation

[ruru]

or like if you're asking the original why of why I put you there (independently of who you want to lynch) it's mostly poe?

I don't think you wanting to lynch {bujaber, enigma} is particularly scum-indicative but I don't think it magically townclears you either

[Irrelephant11]

i Do think you should find it unlikely that your lynch-chain pool would actually include me as scum given I started the game day with the other two as my fav lynches

Yes I’d like an explanation for your read on me

Also re:tw I wish you wouldn’t scumread me for something I can’t talk about

@Performer I’m eager to hear your Alonzo read

[ruru]

I dunno it feels obvious that it's one of the two pairs

[ruru/enigma, tw/bujaber]

I said earlier but it also feels for some reason like it shouldn't be so obvious
Like I townread the worst and ruru's play for similar reasons (unlikely to be partners with the flipped slot, lots of posting and effort) and scumread them for similar reasons (annoyingly keeping some things to themselves, acknowledging general lack of WIM for most game days)
And I feel like I'm being asked to choose between the two of you and maybe there's a right choice but maybe it's neither...

posts like these don't necessarily make me think you're hard pushing lynches on the scumpool, even if I believed that doing so was clearing

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t think I’ve ever pushed you? Besides some early frustration... you’re just who I would look at if Enigma flopped red
Similarly with tw if BuJ flopped red

But whatever I guess I get it

Does your read on me come from my play mostly or my preds mostly

[ruru]

it's mostly because I have better reasons to townread the other players

we can ignore the post about tw I guess

the post I just quoted for example does feel scummy, you have some townish posts, but nothing that I don't think you could be faking as scum

[Irrelephant11]

Mm fine I accept your read
Would my green flip cause any great re-evaluating on your part or would you probably have the same reads?
Obviously the context of how I got lynched would matter but in theory if you just suddenly knew I was town?

[ruru]

maybe {irrel green, bujaber red} causes me to re-think tw

but I don't know what I'm supposed to be re-thinking because we can't talk about it so lol

[Irrelephant11]

Well on another note I’m sorta townreading enigma’s most recent posts
Which I recognize would be convenient timing if he’s my partner but I especially like his point about how to catch skitter late game
I’m approaching a place where no scumteam makes strong sense to me except maybe tw/BuJ with tw as traitor
I’d have to be right about the replacement being nai

Anyway that’s where my heads at

Korina where you at

[Korina]

Is everybody here ok with a hydra replacing into a slot? If not, let me know either in thread or by PM in the next, say, 20 hours.

Replacing who?

Well on another note I’m sorta townreading enigma’s most recent posts
Which I recognize would be convenient timing if he’s my partner but I especially like his point about how to catch skitter late game
I’m approaching a place where no scumteam makes strong sense to me except maybe tw/BuJ with tw as traitor
I’d have to be right about the replacement being nai

Anyway that’s where my heads at

Korina where you at

I'm here, having friends over rn, will post thoughts when they leave.
Computer died between last night when I was working on thoughts and rn, so, I'll re-work them once they leave and I have a shower and stuff.

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 3.6

Alonzo (0):

Performer (0):

ruru (1):

Performer

BuJaber (0):

Enigma (0):

Irrelephant11 (1):

ruru

skitter30 (0):

Korina (0):

No Kill (1):

BuJaber

Not Voting (5):

Alonzo, Enigma, skitter30, Korina, Irrelephant11

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to kill.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2018-10-16 07:30:00)

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[skitter30]

Ruru - Repout NAI. Can't say more

As long as we agree to massclaim + lynch.

Though I'm still in favor of no lynch + no massclaim just for tonight

i still don't get why we would want to no-lynch here

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RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.

rr = ruru?

how can you possibly come to the conclusion that they're the scumteam?
maaaaaaaabye traitor v groupscum (not based on reads but purely based on associatives); don't think it's possible for the two fo them to be scum knowing the other's alignment based on that argument

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kinda like enigma at the bottom of p102

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I combed through a few ISOs and recalled thinking alonzo seems town, but that's all I got so far. So I'm just going to go on the posts starting from where I replaced in.

which games have you played with alonzo? do you have much success in reading him?

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Still maybe worried about deep wolf skitter (non-goon fue to hypo inno), but suppose now I think the trick is to look out for apathy late game (from her scum PYP X/Y) .. if she is alive then

ya fair

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so, for people who haven't played with me and don't trust the skitter inno here is a quick guide to determining my alignment in this game:

i was in this game!

ya basically i agree; i don't think you post this much as scum; you don't spam or hyperpost either; i don't think you post in real time like this

scum!you carefully curates your posts and that's not really happening imo (besides for like a few posts very very very early game)

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I dunno it feels obvious that it's one of the two pairs

[ruru/enigma, tw/bujaber]

I said earlier but it also feels for some reason like it shouldn't be so obvious
Like I townread the worst and ruru's play for similar reasons (unlikely to be partners with the flipped slot, lots of posting and effort) and scumread them for similar reasons (annoyingly keeping some things to themselves, acknowledging general lack of WIM for most game days)
And I feel like I'm being asked to choose between the two of you and maybe there's a right choice but maybe it's neither...

posts like these don't necessarily make me think you're hard pushing lynches on the scumpool, even if I believed that doing so was clearing

aside i forgot to say earlier that i don't like splitting the game into possible teams like this; it makes it easier to overlook other possible teams and/or confbiases it towards these teams being more likely than others

see mini 1963 for scum using this to great affect

@irrel: how did you arrive at these two potential teams? like say, why aren't you considering enigma/buj?

[Korina]

I'll post it in the morning when I have a clear mind on it.
Currently looking through posts (around 96-98), and I'm not seeing anything that's pinging me, which is my cue that I'm clearly doing things wrong.

[skitter30]

aside i forgot to say earlier that i don't like splitting the game into possible teams like this; it makes it easier to overlook other possible teams and/or confbiases it towards these teams seeming more likely than others

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