Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[Nicolas Cage]

6+19 is 25 champ, good job at MATH

I'm also in a position of being unable to push my scumreads and also being unable to be pushed with votes which makes it really hard to care at the moment because of the shitty duel mechanic. tbh if I knew we would have to wait a solid week for every duel to resolve I probably wouldn't have signed up for this game. That being said, your choice right now is not "does NC have content" it's "does PP have enough content to sort him vs RC" and the answer to that is "no." So why the fuck are you making an entirely irrelevant comparison? We are forced to make a choice between RC and PP, RC is pretty clearly town, and PP is entirely null. So why the fuck are you faking a scumread on RC and shading anyone who pushes PP for content? Are you just shit at this game or are you actually scum? As I said, I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt right now--you can be scum. I don't like insulting people needlessly when their actions can be easily explained through alignment.

[Garmr]

Wtf do you have two accounts?

[Garmr]

6+19 is 25 champ, good job at MATH

I'm also in a position of being unable to push my scumreads and also being unable to be pushed with votes which makes it really hard to care at the moment because of the shitty duel mechanic. tbh if I knew we would have to wait a solid week for every duel to resolve I probably wouldn't have signed up for this game. That being said, your choice right now is not "does NC have content" it's "does PP have enough content to sort him vs RC" and the answer to that is "no." So why the fuck are you making an entirely irrelevant comparison? We are forced to make a choice between RC and PP, RC is pretty clearly town, and PP is entirely null. So why the fuck are you faking a scumread on RC and shading anyone who pushes PP for content? Are you just shit at this game or are you actually scum? As I said, I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt right now--you can be scum. I don't like insulting people needlessly when their actions can be easily explained through alignment.

Wow fucking trashy scum tactics. Slinging mud on the slot to see what sticks.

1. I town read Penguin power because of various things gut, where my reads are voting ect
2.Even if I null read penguin i would still lynch rc. I have stated this and the reason behind it before before.


You forgot one thing.

All my reads formed before the current wagon situation so your argument that I'm trying to shade anyone off the rc wagon is trash. You were the end result of elimination after town reads.

[Nicolas Cage]

Nicholas Cage is replacing out of that slot with his new account - Nicolas Cage.

Way to keep up champ

I typo'd the original name

But I'm sure you're paying so much attention to this game that your other accusations are totally justified and not you just throwing shit together to fit whatever narrative works for you in the moment.

[Garmr]

Off topic couldn't even get the spelling of Nicolas cage and only realised after the fact. What sort of fan are you? That's such a basic thing to do.

[Garmr]

Also it hilarious all the omgus this game.

Eji's silent about me- pokes eji- Wahhh garmrs scum.

Nicolas is silent about me-pokes Nicolas-waaahhh garmrs scum.

[Nicolas Cage]

Off topic couldn't even get the spelling of Nicolas cage and only realised after the fact. What sort of fan are you? That's such a basic thing to do.

are you trying to douche your way into me locking you as scum? because it's working

[Garmr]

Off topic couldn't even get the spelling of Nicolas cage and only realised after the fact. What sort of fan are you? That's such a basic thing to do.

are you trying to douche your way into me locking you as scum? because it's working

You just insulted me by calling me trash so call it even.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if I'm correct about who you are I already really liked you nicholas cage and I'm sure you knew that
but I like you a lot more after this.

[RadiantCowbells]

at least I hope you knew that? I'm not sure if you did tbh

[Garmr]

You know not having majority votes sucks dicks.

[PenguinPower]

I pretty clearly want him to say more, hence WHY I SAID I WAS VOTING HIM TO MOTIVATE HIM TO PROVIDE MORE CONTENT

Which you then started SHADING me over

Do you not want more content from his slot because he sure seems to have said very little to me?

Doubt you’re going to get much from me right now beyond my reads. I’ve already said why I replaced in, so I’m not sure why you think voting me is suddenly going to do something. Will make sure to update my reads prior to the duel ending...I think they have shifted a bit.

[ejjinami]

First off, @gramr Do not insult me. If you want to talk, tone it down a bit please, I really don’t want to be dealing with all of that right now.

Also it took this long for them to comment on the reads of RC and penguin power even it took me enquiring specifically about penguins slot.

I do not feel obligated to post my reads on people if they are weak. I mean, I might, but that’s sth that would usually take me way more time than it’s worth it.
Again, IF you want to hear my opinion on someone, just ask.
I’ve been saying this for a while already, so do not just suddenly come at me yelling that I should have done sth, when you could have just asked for it if you really thought it was necessary.
Just let me go at my own pace

Besides, you obviously didn’t even bother to look through my posts before writing that. I did write my read on PP at least twice before you asked your question. The first one was in the post where I voted PP and the 2-nd one in 468, when BJ asked me to comment on PPs posts.

[ejjinami]

Your push on me feels terrible btw. You’re taking my posts and turning them all around their tails while taking the opportunity to showcase how much more town motivation is in your posts than in mine.
That whole conversation is worthless

You’re tunneling me for close to no reason and you’re just freaking wrong
If you’re really trying to do sth here, then focus on some other players or just get a better argument, because what you’re doing right now literally makes no sense

You were the one who compared my posts to yours then I told you how I used mine to get reads and why they were different.

That was a conversation from the very beginning of the game. You SR me in 164 for not having any content in my posts and I said that the read is kind of hypocritical. I wasn’t able to play for a while due to college and work reasons, so you were SRing me for my posts till page 4 and all you didn’t write much more till page 4 either.
This conversation has nothing to do with the posts later on.

You listing your posts and how were all of them town motivated felt unnecessary and kinda lamist.
I do not have a lot of time to play the game and I’m not going to waste time to look through my posts and list them for you while showing how town motivated they were, because you can do it for yourself.
Yes, I do think that I was actively contributing in this game.
And no, I do not plan to stop fluffing. Being positive and ranting about what comes to my mind generally tends to calm me down a bit, so you can just skip it if you don’t like reading it.
I’ve been trying to force myself to keep up that tough façade, push people immediately and be pro-active in FM for quite some time now, which tbh usually only kept made things worse and tended to end in me replacing out. Feel free to check my previous games, I think I linked a few scum ones and you can check my town games on MS, so it shouldn’t take long to skip through at least the first few pages of them.
Anyways, that’s a change I’m making intentionally and I don’t think I want to stop doing it. It prob wouldn’t be an improvement for me and tbh it doesn’t even hurt you or the game that much.

You might be right that I fluff a lot, but do not freaking simply “ignore” my posts, when I’m not.
You clearly didn’t even bother to look through my ISO even once, because if you did, you wouldn’t be devaluating me as much as you have been. Your pushes are big and emotional but they're based on nothing. If you say that talking about mechanics is fluff, then yes, I did fluff a lot in the first 3 pages, but you obviously didn’t even bother to look at my other posts since then.
It feels like, you’re either focusing just solely on the fluff posts for some reason or just simply pushing me without actually caring for your reasons, which is just simply bad.

[ejjinami]

For example, this one felt absolutely terrible.

@EJJ

Can you tell me in dot points. What actions have you have done to further the game and what results have you got out of them?

• I'm playing.

I don't actually care how much I do, because as I said before, I'm not going to force myself to do stuff, cuz it ALWAYS ends up in me getting overworked, worn out, stopping to read the thread just to get some sleep and having to wear myself down even more because of all of the catchups later.
You can look at my latest games in here, cuz I started and then replaced out of A LOT of games lately. I can even give you a few recent examples from the other forum I play on. The reasons I give are almost always the same

I still think I can play, cuz I feel rather good about this game, but do not expect me to go all crazy for contribution and progressing the game. If you want my reads, most of them are in the last few posts I made.
I could elaborate on the other players, but they're mostly null to me rn

So the only thing none fluff a was a scum read on me which can easily be addressed.

That was an OBVIOUS misrepresentation. I don’t know if you were just mindlessly trying to pick a fight with me or what, but that never comes from someone who legit cares about what they write. Had you read just only my last few posts, you’d notice how much bullshit that statement is.

If you look at what they're posting you'll not see a definitive read. They aren't pushing anyone they are just commenting on the situation. None of the comments are hard hitting or indicative.

The closet thing to trying to sort here is.

I wish I rolled scum here so I wouldn't have to deal with being town in this setup

That feels like a lie.

btw, that’s rather not SvS

There's no attempt to sort him.

Yes, a lot of my posts were simple comment or question ones. That was related to me catching up and still having at least twice as many pages to read later, so this is just sth you’ll have to deal with.
And yes, if I think that someone’s read is wrong I will comment on it regardless if I think I have an actual read on their target or not.

Reads are not freaking everything that can be done here.
The statement that my best read was the “non SvS” one was also a misrepresentation which honestly feels like shit.

That’s a link to my ISO starting from post 347, when I started catching up.
I’m not gonna say that I contributed an incredible amount of idek what, but the way you’re describing me is just a straight up lie

If you want to push me, then just don’t freaking distort the facts.

[ejjinami]

Also a note eji said she town read both of the duelist but pushed penguin over rc. RC has shown to be anti town and dragging the game through the mud with their quick duel no brain thinking. You would think as a townie you wouldn't want to vote someone that impulsive if they are town reading both slots.

I didn’t TR PP at the time when I voted him and I had a TR on RC, which I explained a few times already.
Again, Do Not Distort My Posts.
Thank you

[ejjinami]

when I looked back through Ejj's posts I noticed 352 saying it was defiantly not a SvS duel.

That was Sho and RC, not Wh4t and RC. Actual-reads aside, I don’t think I’d be actually confident in interaction-reading RC for that duel, because he seems to be the type that might like to play risky.

[ejjinami]

That said the utter presumption of me being town + garmr's unexplained townread there gives me fairly good feelings about that flipping scum, SO like
let's say TW is really scum

that would make shoshin town
RC town
Penguin town (very very probably)
Nicholas cage town (very very probably)
IO i'm fine calling town OR scum that won't even matter because they are never getting lynched before endgame, just gotta track down dem partners
Ejjnami town

so

Walt
Gamr
Bujaber
FA_Q2

containing 3 scum

Can you elaborate on Nicolas? Is it an interaction read or do you have any other reason?

[ejjinami]

I'm actually kind of happy to call it

FA_Q2->Garmr->Bujaber

or some variant

like Garmr first is optimal but I'm fine-ish letting Shoshin or whoever lead on FA_Q2

I disagree on BJ btw. I think there were quite a few posts which are town indicative and I didn’t actually notice anything from him that would strike me really bad.

Walt is lockscum that reaction is never town

Let's look for a scum #2 so he can't vengekill anyone until we have solve.

If the scumslip is legit Wh4t is town.
I don't think Walt wagons his buddy in RVS.

I already wrote it before, but I don’t really see that reaction coming from a scum pov. That was a reaction after you wrote your spam of posts that Walt is lock-scum, while not really giving a reason for it.
That post felt like a dumb, spontaneous mental note caused by him “going with the flow” and overreacting to your early push on Walt.
That generally comes more often from town than scum.
I could prob see that as scum if BJ was scum with Walt and stupidly wanted to go for the easy distancing, but tbh I don’t really feel him doing it rn.

And I really didn’t get the feeling that BJ’s vote on you was a “stress reaction” caused by “you having good reads”. If that really was a stress reaction, you dueling a random guy would have been a PERFECT argument for him to use to lynch you. You could easily go as a PL and most prob no one would have even argued with that.
But BJ didn’t mention you in his reads for a long time and tried to convince others that PP should be town.

PP is so town right now man did you read his answers to my questions and circumstances of his rep in?

Spoiler:

RC is town. I wouldn't have replaced in if I didn't think he was.

BuJaber is still scum. Ejj is mebee. WorstBird is balancing between right now. Walt I dunno. Garmr prob town. Shoshin...not sure if I can townread, but townlean? Io is town that will probably end up scum. Nic Cage feels off so I'm going to put him in the middle with WorstBird right now until I can figure it out.

tfw RC is the only good townread you have and it's D1.

PP why does RC's alignment make a difference to you repping in or not? And did you know he duelled your slot before repping in?

I wouldn't want to lose a duel to scum!RC...I don't mind to town!RC. Yes, I knew he dueled my slot before requesting to replace it. It's the reason why I replaced in...this slot was never not going to end up losing the duel, and I'm quite sure that most people don't want to rep in to a gladiated slot, let alone one against RC.

I agree with 2 out of 3 of his scum reads. I trust RC to influence this town more than I can.

p-edit

I've already answered that.

@ejj ^ the quotes you asked for

VOTE: RC

My read on PP is strong and from I see so far this playerlist is too stubborn to listen to anyone.

That feels more like town thought process imo.

[ejjinami]

Ejji at some point you have to raelize that Garmr isn't just pushing on you because he's wrong town, he's scum setting you up for a mislynch.

I am SRing Garmr. My early read on him might have been inaccurate, but I didn’t really get a great feeling from my interactions with him. I explained it just a few posts before, but my interactions with him felt like he didn’t actually care to check the validity of his read and was just using strong words and distorting the facts he already accepted before, to push the read forward.

[ejjinami]

Honestly Walt's a town read for me. I like a good deal of their posts and I feel like they are coming from town.
There's also that Gramr's been fencesitting about Walt which is indicative of a scum unsure how to read their ally.
But if I'm wrong about someone it'd be Cage or Walt. Though I don't really see that as a concern as we only need to lynch 2 scum and if Walt is that deep in hiding in the town then I don't really want to risk lynching them out of paranoia and having them flip town.

Can you comment on my case on walt? (451)
And what do you think of my interactions with garmr

[Garmr]

Your push on me feels terrible btw. You’re taking my posts and turning them all around their tails while taking the opportunity to showcase how much more town motivation is in your posts than in mine.
That whole conversation is worthless

You’re tunneling me for close to no reason and you’re just freaking wrong
If you’re really trying to do sth here, then focus on some other players or just get a better argument, because what you’re doing right now literally makes no sense

You were the one who compared my posts to yours then I told you how I used mine to get reads and why they were different.

That was a conversation from the very beginning of the game. You SR me in 164 for not having any content in my posts and I said that the read is kind of hypocritical. I wasn’t able to play for a while due to college and work reasons, so you were SRing me for my posts till page 4 and all you didn’t write much more till page 4 either.
This conversation has nothing to do with the posts later on.

You listing your posts and how were all of them town motivated felt unnecessary and kinda lamist.
I do not have a lot of time to play the game and I’m not going to waste time to look through my posts and list them for you while showing how town motivated they were, because you can do it for yourself.
Yes, I do think that I was actively contributing in this game.
And no, I do not plan to stop fluffing. Being positive and ranting about what comes to my mind generally tends to calm me down a bit, so you can just skip it if you don’t like reading it.
I’ve been trying to force myself to keep up that tough façade, push people immediately and be pro-active in FM for quite some time now, which tbh usually only kept made things worse and tended to end in me replacing out. Feel free to check my previous games, I think I linked a few scum ones and you can check my town games on MS, so it shouldn’t take long to skip through at least the first few pages of them.
Anyways, that’s a change I’m making intentionally and I don’t think I want to stop doing it. It prob wouldn’t be an improvement for me and tbh it doesn’t even hurt you or the game that much.

You might be right that I fluff a lot, but do not freaking simply “ignore” my posts, when I’m not.
You clearly didn’t even bother to look through my ISO even once, because if you did, you wouldn’t be devaluating me as much as you have been. Your pushes are big and emotional but they're based on nothing. If you say that talking about mechanics is fluff, then yes, I did fluff a lot in the first 3 pages, but you obviously didn’t even bother to look at my other posts since then.
It feels like, you’re either focusing just solely on the fluff posts for some reason or just simply pushing me without actually caring for your reasons, which is just simply bad.

Weak. Alot of words that can be summed up in a few short sentences.

-My initial push which wasn't strong It was about you fluffing. It was early game through so I didn't have much to build on.

-You continue to fluff on which you admit

-Your reaction to scream I'm scum because my early push was early game push.

-You then try to compare my mechanics post to yours I point out the difference then you call it lamist.

-I call you out on it saying I was responding to your point then you go "no but you brought it up first" which has nothing to do with my point thus you actually dodging it.

- I asked you what are you doing to solve this game earlier you haven't really answered.

-You play the victim card saying I ignore your posts. So not only are you ATEING your whole game play is reactionary and that's because I pushed you.

[Garmr]

For example, this one felt absolutely terrible.

@EJJ

Can you tell me in dot points. What actions have you have done to further the game and what results have you got out of them?

• I'm playing.

I don't actually care how much I do, because as I said before, I'm not going to force myself to do stuff, cuz it ALWAYS ends up in me getting overworked, worn out, stopping to read the thread just to get some sleep and having to wear myself down even more because of all of the catchups later.
You can look at my latest games in here, cuz I started and then replaced out of A LOT of games lately. I can even give you a few recent examples from the other forum I play on. The reasons I give are almost always the same

I still think I can play, cuz I feel rather good about this game, but do not expect me to go all crazy for contribution and progressing the game. If you want my reads, most of them are in the last few posts I made.
I could elaborate on the other players, but they're mostly null to me rn

So the only thing none fluff a was a scum read on me which can easily be addressed.

That was an OBVIOUS misrepresentation. I don’t know if you were just mindlessly trying to pick a fight with me or what, but that never comes from someone who legit cares about what they write. Had you read just only my last few posts, you’d notice how much bullshit that statement is.

I addressed it so it's not a misrep.

If you look at what they're posting you'll not see a definitive read. They aren't pushing anyone they are just commenting on the situation. None of the comments are hard hitting or indicative.

The closet thing to trying to sort here is.

I wish I rolled scum here so I wouldn't have to deal with being town in this setup

That feels like a lie.

btw, that’s rather not SvS

There's no attempt to sort him.

Yes, a lot of my posts were simple comment or question ones. That was related to me catching up and still having at least twice as many pages to read later, so this is just sth you’ll have to deal with.
And yes, if I think that someone’s read is wrong I will comment on it regardless if I think I have an actual read on their target or not.

Yeah but you shown to have done nothing with your questions. You still haven't.

Reads are not freaking everything that can be done here.
The statement that my best read was the “non SvS” one was also a misrepresentation which honestly feels like shit.

That’s a link to my ISO starting from post 347, when I started catching up.
I’m not gonna say that I contributed an incredible amount of idek what, but the way you’re describing me is just a straight up lie

If you want to push me, then just don’t freaking distort the facts.

Reads may be not everything but your'e caving underpressure and the fact you omgused me as soon as I pushed you for it is scummy.

[Garmr]

Also a note eji said she town read both of the duelist but pushed penguin over rc. RC has shown to be anti town and dragging the game through the mud with their quick duel no brain thinking. You would think as a townie you wouldn't want to vote someone that impulsive if they are town reading both slots.

I didn’t TR PP at the time when I voted him and I had a TR on RC, which I explained a few times already.
Again, Do Not Distort My Posts.
Thank you

How would I know that you didn't town read read pp you never through out a read? Also this

It’s obvious the duel WASN’T TOWN MOTIVATED. Honestly, I’m leaning on RC being town here maaaainly because of the interactions, but even if he is town, that was at least close to gamethrowing.

Made it seem like you thought rc was a danger to town and if you town read or even null read PP then you would of voted radiant. A null is still better than how disgusting rc has been.

So now that you town read both Penguin power and rc where are you going to vote?

[BuJaber]

@RC - you're trying to spin things to fit your version of what happened. This is what actually happened:

You duelled wh4t before anyone had a chance to sort either of you. I did not form an opinion at that time.
When I engaged PP he obvtowned. I really don't see this kind of play from PP. No way he replaces in to a scum slot being duelled by you and then just doesn't even try to get you lynched. But he was saying he thought that you were town and as town you'd be better for town than he would. You also had stated around that time that you would be coming back with extra reads/thoughts. So I waited for your response while evaluating whether PP is right about you having an influence on this playerlist.

But given the reactions of people, namely garmr, ejji, shoshin, and Io, and even Nick to some extent, I disagreed with PP on you having a real influence. Even Walt who's new didn't seem that inclined to follow you. So there was no reason to keep you alive and risk letting you get away with a scum gambit over PP who is locktown imo.

Despite this I still tried to engage you to get more explanation out of you for all to see in case you are in fact town. But your reaction has been incredibly scummy. Your sudden desire to talk your way out of the lynch is in direct conflict with your earlier resignation.

Knowing what I do know about you you would have replaced out or at least fought them in public if you had personal issues with someone before you'd make a snap decision like dueling them.

The only thing that could have been classified as me townreading you was a CONDITIONAL associative read with Walt. Because I don't think you would have pointed out a hypothetical scumslip if you were his partner.