Micro 824.2: Grand Idea Mafia (The Reroll) [Finish]

[RCEnigma]

Oh boy did it ever VOTE: RCEnigma

[RCEnigma]

Double down boys.

[RCEnigma]

No, town sided roles are VT now.

[RCEnigma]

@RCEnigma
Why haven’t you unvoted yourself already?

Nostalgia. Asking twice is redundant by the way.

[RCEnigma]

I think the reads a reach, why do I have to be involved in your scumread? And why is my input more important than any other slot?

[RCEnigma]

I'll nip this in the bud. I think at this point we have no choice but to lynch them both.

VOTE: Singletonking

[RCEnigma]

And the good doctor.

[RCEnigma]

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

[RCEnigma]

Was just trying to get you to admit your scumread wasn't as solid as you thought.

Right now I'd lean irrelephant and Scoobert slight towns. I don't necessarily think singleton is scum but I can see the pivot from either alignment especially considering the attention that was turning on him.

Nako can be town too I guess.

Also Scoobert you quoted 39 and 40 which made it seem like I was voting DDL while my vote was clearly on Singleton I just want to make sure there's no confusion there.

UNVOTE:

[RCEnigma]

That invisibility guy is a little fishy. Actually on reread Singletonking is still fishy out if the active talkers. The swing away from Doctor feels alright as a reevaluation, but I feel the pivot onto nonny is again a stretch considering Nonny never explicitly called him out as a scumread. It was more like asking for clarification on his read.

He's written it off as his style but there are better ways to handle rvs like a question maybe.

VOTE: invisibilty VOTE: heya Invis, did you roll mafia this time? Does anyone else know you're mafia?

[RCEnigma]

I'll nip this in the bud. I think at this point we have no choice but to lynch them both.

VOTE: Singletonking

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

Is this an attempt at reaction fishing?

He Reconsidered his read did he not? Irrelephant asked who I thought was scummiest. Singleton is up there which I answered, invisibility hasn't shown up, I don't feel either him or Vax should get to skate by.

[RCEnigma]

What did you think of Singletons read on you? It seems like you skipped over the relevant bits to point the finger.

[RCEnigma]

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think we should lynch either at the moment for the record. I just wanted to show him he was being silly.

[RCEnigma]

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

You know, the more this gets posted, the worse it looks.

How does this point of view make any sense from a town perspective? Especially if it's not a reaction test?

OK so the progression from my side was very linear.

A.) Not a good scumread from Singleton on Doc

Insert post, if Singleton believes this is a solid scumread then stick by it, if not let it go.

B.) Singleton realizes this was not a good basis to firm a scumread.

[RCEnigma]

It gets complicated because we don't know what we're up against. Or what town has for that matter.

The most troll thing I can think of is we are forced to lynch Nako and everyone is vanilla town anyway.

[RCEnigma]

It wasn't a suggestion. Also no I didn't really have a strong opinion on one or the other being scum at that point.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think mod should confirm it since it could give away the number of scum present. Like scum wouldn't have daytalk if there were only 1 rolled.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh maybe that's a format thing, still getting used to forums style.

[RCEnigma]

why is wanting me to not be absent scummy?

He didn't say he wanted you to post? He called you fishy.

The post wasn't really scummy but more like awkward.

i mean, rc talks weird so its prolly not too bad

Only slightly offended.

[RCEnigma]

hi - i didn't feel a need to respond to anything since you yourself said the read is super weak?
VOTE: irrel
I think this is scum. town, especially vt irrelephant did not play like this.

Can you elaborate on this? The irrelephant scum part. What are you finding scummy in his sorting?

[RCEnigma]

Is this page 2? Are these still RVS reads? Legitimate question btw.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm actually I hadn't considered that it wouldn't be tied to the setup and would have to come from one of the mafia roles itself.

I actually like that read a lot more now

VOTE: Scoobert

I guess I can bump you back up to confirmed town in my list Nako...for now.

[RCEnigma]

Does it make a difference? What if I said I wasn't, does it make it scummy if I say "the mod confirmed town isn't confirmed town."?

Silly questions like this are throwing me off. Regardless, Scoobert can you go ahead and give like a quick readlist or is your previous one up to date?

After that I'll bring my issues up to you and you can address them as you see fit.

[RCEnigma]

What makes it jester-y? That I didn't take into account daytalk was role specific? Or that I'm joking around Nako's confirmed status?

I do have multiple issues with Scoobert and some may be influenced by his read on me being negative but it can't be sorted it I don't post my issues and get feedback.

So I can post them now or we can wait for Scooberts readlist.

[RCEnigma]

If I dont include Nako as confirmed town in say a readlist or something, is that inherently scummy? I don't see what scum would have to gain by something like that. Take the joke at face value if it is nai either way.

[RCEnigma]

I'd rather be read on my content, fwiw.

Doing this from the phone so there won't really be direct quotes or posts but my issues with Scoobert.

Early page 2 Scoobert gives a couple of reads focused on singleton. Gives a townvibe one off about Irrelephant and a few posts later lists his reads on order with no context as such:

Nako - (confirmed so meh no brainer)
Irrelephant (Im assuming based on 28 alone?)
Drdoolittle (for literally nothing I can think of except being singletons first target. Considering dr had no game relevant content at this point)
Nonny (which I liked as a fresh read and is one I agree with but that might be looking at it retroactively)

Myself as null (fair I hadn't explained the method behind my actions yet)
Singleton scum (doesn't necessarily rub me wrong that this is his scumread however his reading it the play around his scumread seems warped? If that makes sense. Maybe I can explain it better.)

71 and 89 kind of go together. I still stand by trading 1 for 1 as protown, unless we are in a maf majority game which would be an autoloss anyways so doesn't really matter. Either way it is literally the best outcome you can hope for in the event of a mislynch, the alternative being you get scum right the first time.
Ideally yes town wants scum to go down every lynch, realistically that isn't going to happen in a game where scum has the info and town has to recreate it.

Nako's read made me reconsider Scoobert, I thought the comment was nai at the time but that doesn't stand now imo. If I take his push against Singleton (who is almost universally scumread afaik, so there isn't much credit to be gained there.) then there isn't much more to Scoobert game. Asking Vax and Invis where they were was the closest to scumhunting I get from his ISO. Which was part of his issue with Singleton.

I'm actually interested in his comment about Daytalk was meant to tie into a read he felt he had. If you could comment on that it would be much appreciated.

Uhh summary scumreading singleton doesn't feel like scumhunting if it's everyone's scumread, reads don't have value if the reasoning can't be discerned, daytalk question is sketchy in isolation and In the context that the previous game lacked it with Scoobert as scum.

[RCEnigma]

I do however agree with some of his points on singleton but it isn't enough to lean one way or the other when it comes to them both except that I don't think they're together.

[RCEnigma]

D) Basically boils it down to that he thinks I'm not giving enough reasoning for anything, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the sense that I've written quite a bit about my thoughts on my scumreads, and also compared to RCE himself and many people in the game who are just sort of piping along giving naked votes, I feel like I'm not that lacking

Before now this is absolutely not true. Nothing in your previous posts explained any process in your reads. I had to make assumptions for every single one Except for singleton. I really only wanted your readlist to see where Doolittle would fall and it's about where I expected if I suspect a possible partnership.

A lot of the questions I've asked arent even necessarily being answered, there's not much to follow up on it they're dodged. And the ones that get answered help me form reads, so that's another reach.

The SK angle really just boils down to creating paranoia.

[RCEnigma]

Oh that's a really good boyo.

This posting style is just how Invis plays, I had issue with it the first time I played with him but it seems to be his meta.

I think it's less that he's coasting and more that he doesn't have solid reads as of yet.

Singleton Im not following you at all. From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle. I don't get your pokes towards Nonny or Invis and I would assume Vax is next on that list. None of it is producing content and just comes off as weak scumhunting.

I think it was nonny that said there is one between Scoobert and Singleton and I'd take that bet.

[RCEnigma]

Oh that's a really good boyo.

This posting style is just how Invis plays, I had issue with it the first time I played with him but it seems to be his meta.

I think it's less that he's coasting and more that he doesn't have solid reads as of yet.

Singleton Im not following you at all. From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle. I don't get your pokes towards Nonny or Invis and I would assume Vax is next on that list. None of it is producing content and just comes off as weak scumhunting.

I think it was nonny that said there is one between Scoobert and Singleton and I'd take that bet.

First of all, "From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle.", I'm not understanding this at all. What are you trying to say here?

Secondly, I tend to be agressive with my pokes early on when I don't have strong reads yet.

Lastly, how can you say that my pokes are not producing content??

If you scumread both doc and Scoobert, I scumread yourself and/or Scoobert, doc and Scoobert scumread you then there is a parallel at some point. There is absolutely no way that all town are pushing for these lynches and only these, spewing the rest of the slots is town.

The exception to that is Doc putting out a scumread on irrelephant that is against the grain. I can see scoobert/doc being a pair but I'm leery since it seems kind of like an obvious budding kind of thing going on, if anyone else wants to pitch in on that.

I don't feel your pokes are producing content from your end more like the rest of the slots are producing it around your pokes if that makes sense.

[RCEnigma]

I didnt change my avatar but I did misremember, it was Nako that posted there was scum between the two.

[RCEnigma]

I would probably lean him town for now. Though I don't think reading Invis early is a good indicator. His demeanor when questioned is at least reminiscent of his town game.

[RCEnigma]

This was probably my favorite back and forth, Invis is probably just town here.

[RCEnigma]

yes

For this post specifically.

[RCEnigma]

This wagon feels artificial. Not sure fully why but it’s weird how it developed. Looking at vaxkiller’s iso though I don’t like it, too many early breadcrumb claims which always feel purposeful. Never see legit VT’s needing to discuss how VT they are from page 2 on.

Will weigh in more if needed. Not sure pressure will do much given vax response on page 9.

My reread/wall post won’t be happening yet due to Irl stuff. Feel like this game went from goofing around noncontent to 100% real very suddenly, not even sure where it shifted but need to review with the new context

Not sure it matters because everyone can claim VT at this point with no real consequence of impact to the game.

[RCEnigma]

yes

For this post specifically.

I'm not seeing what's town about this post. What are you seeing here that I'm not?

I guess just the amount that he doesn't care about your read. I think one of the first thoughts from scum is to placate the slots that are scumreading them. Invis just does not care and it reads Townie to me.

[RCEnigma]

How am I not prodded yet? Umm regardless I'm pretty ok with this lynch actually.

Vax' catchup would have to blow me out of the water honestly. The only thing that worries me about the lynch is singletons play around Vax in particular.

[RCEnigma]

I just don’t want to vote there for now.

why is that

Eh idk, while I am scumreading him I somehow have bad feelings about voting him, like my gut. Or maybe it's my lack of confidence kicking in.

And theres also a 5% where I was thinking that given how Vax was so blatantly scummy I was worried he might be Jester, but it's not something I'm decently convinced of myself.

This kind of interaction. From my perspective it looks like you're feigning hesitation because of the flip and you want more people to come forward with scumreads on Vax before you dip into the pool yourself. What is it exactly that influenced you to vote now when you didn't in 276?

[RCEnigma]

Second that notion.

[RCEnigma]

It's not liek that can't change, but at this moment in the game this is where im at and I don't see that changing unless nonny makes big changes. If you make me start questioning my nonny read I'm going to start 2nd guessing everything, and I'm already having a bitch of a time sorting ppl

If you don't have a read on anyone but nonny why would second guessing non existing reads matter?

How about gun to your head; kiss, kill, marry between Scoobert, Doc, Singleton.

I guess it would be lynch, null, town but you get the picture.

[RCEnigma]

Nope, I still wanna hammer. Intent to do so after nonny gives the reads we've been waiting on. If you're jumping ship, now's the time to do so.

[RCEnigma]

So wait, you think your scummiest read is town....and that he will out-town your next scummiest read...which is why you don't want to lynch him? You gotta walk me through that one. Is it just because he's been active more recently than doc?

[RCEnigma]

Regarding post 111,what exactly makes it scum indicative? If you're town then from your perspective Scum!Doc would have A.) soft defended you, a townie, when even a lot of the no voters were questioning you. And B.) diverted attention away from your wagon onto Irrelephant, with zero follow up.

I just don't see exactly what Scum!doc gains there. There's also the fact that he didn't try to pocket you off of that post.

[RCEnigma]

Umm I want to lynch either, both are fine with lynching each other. I started getting it in my head that singleton is scummy in his own right, but that he's more likely some kind of third party role instead of straight up scum. Unless he's partners with like Invis or doc.it would explain his play a bit better.

[RCEnigma]

Intent to hammer, don't chicken out this time boys.

[RCEnigma]

Watch the alt posting guys.

[RCEnigma]

Regarding post 111,what exactly makes it scum indicative? If you're town then from your perspective Scum!Doc would have A.) soft defended you, a townie, when even a lot of the no voters were questioning you. And B.) diverted attention away from your wagon onto Irrelephant, with zero follow up.

I just don't see exactly what Scum!doc gains there. There's also the fact that he didn't try to pocket you off of that post.

The second statement was what I didn't like. I feel like it was a very generic statement that was added to put more content into his post

That there was scum on your wagon? He followed that uo by scumreading irrelephant, whom was on your wagon. Or are you saying you don't have a problem with 111 but still included it?

[RCEnigma]

I didnt ignore your wall posts but they are what made me convinced to want to lynch you.

On top of your reads flipping back and forth, your ISO readlist is completely different from the reads you were giving on the fly. Which first makes me think about what metric you used to determine town/scum during this ISO dive and why is it not the same as when you are actually playing.

Also I picked up a pattern on certain individuals where you don't necessarily have a true reason to scumread them outside of reasoning given by other players.

[RCEnigma]

No changing reads is fine, but they aren't following the same guidelines I would expect town to follow.

Basically what I'm seeing is that none of your reads are solid and can flip based on what the rest of us think. Which reads like an odd man out trying to blend.

[RCEnigma]

What questions?

[RCEnigma]

I'll give it 24 hours from now for people to pay their respects and say their goodbyes.

[RCEnigma]

You have failed me for the last time, Admiral.

[RCEnigma]

Siri remind me to guilt Invis into voting later.

[RCEnigma]

Cool, Nako can hammer whenever VOTE: Singleton

L-1....again.

[RCEnigma]

Flipping town reads into scumreads when they ask you questions and then flipping them back to townreads when they pressure other slots does not look good as any alignment.

Even disregarding slots with murky reads.

[RCEnigma]

You guys are sneaky, I like it :p

[RCEnigma]

Ok, so either Dr. tried to kill an informed group, or scum killed him and he recruited somebody

I'm going under the assumption doc died Recruiting and this may have been a cult v cult thing. I can't really wrap my head around doc being a scumtarget when he was lynched towns scumread. Literally pointing the finger to look into doc with his dying breath. Especially over someone like irrelephant whom is widely Townread or nonny, also Townread by pretty much everyone.

I think Doc would have targeted one of those townlocks, the only person I'd really rule out is Aero die to the soft buddying day 1. I don't see him trying to get Aero in his pocket publicly just to then recruit him it looks suspicious.

[RCEnigma]

It's all I have to go on. I really don't see Doc being anyones scum kill. Ehh maybe from Vax' perspective or someone that feels confident they can mislynch any other slot.

[RCEnigma]

Does them failing not mean they die?

[RCEnigma]

Fair enough, I was under the impression a mis-cult kills the cultist.

[RCEnigma]

Vax pretty definitively, I'm also kind of leery of Nonny. I leaned her town Day 1 mostly off of tone. In addition to that while I think it's possible both Nonny and Irrelephant could be town, it seems suboptimal from scum to let both be spewed town. If either is a wolf it's more likely to be Nonny.

That said there may not be a scum team and it's just a lone enemy of town, in that case I think it's just Vax here.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[RCEnigma]

Fleshing out the rest of my reads a bit. Aero moves up in my book for the nonny vote specifically. Ballsy if scum but I'm thinking he may be town.

Still feel OK with Irrelephant in my town circle.
I'm riding with Invis town.

[RCEnigma]

Because I don't see scum!Aero trying to swing a lynch on Nonny over someone like me, who would arguably be an easier mislynch considering no one really has a solid read on me. It just didn't seem scummy to me.

Not that you've explained the vote at all but just how I saw it.

[RCEnigma]

I gave it a chance yesterday when I voted Singleton over you Vax, I don't like AtE as a defense but others gave you the benefit for it so I followed my read in singleton.

Outside of that I haven't seen anything that says you're town...except well, you saying you're town. That said you're the weakest read in my poe.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE COUNT 1.FINAL

singletonking (5, Hammered!):

Irrelephant11, Aeronaut, nonny, RCEnigma, Nako

Vaxkiller (2):

DrDolittle, Invisibility

DrDolittle (1):

singletonking

Aeronaut (0):

Invisibility (0):

Irrelephant11 (0):

RCEnigma (0):

Nako (0):

nonny (0):

Not Voting (1):

Vaxkiller

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved!

(expired on 2018-10-01 13:05:30) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- DrDolittle is V/LA until September 30th.
- Aeronaut and Nonny are V/LA until October 1st.

IC hammered here but there was suspicion of singleton from my slot, Aero's slot, and Nonnys slot to a minor degree. However he was scumread by pretty much all slots Afaik.

[RCEnigma]

@nonny

542 and 543 have my recent reads. If I had to have a poe of three it would probably be Vax, Nonny, Aero.

Invis is almost never in my lynch circle for his pushing on Vax (my scumread) and after the fact not being on Singleton. It could be a TMI thing but his play doesn't and has not pointed there for me

[RCEnigma]

No worries, my tower got flooded a week or two ago q.q I know how ya feel

[RCEnigma]

Sefi Italy don't think doc was widely scumread. Literally only by Singleton. The NK is only weird in that context. If it was Vax lynched over singleton it wouldn't bother me the same way.

[RCEnigma]

Ebwop
I really*

Sorry it's early.

[RCEnigma]

Is SK angle immediate threat in this kind of setup?

[RCEnigma]

Actually, with everyone being VT it sounds plausible. Also explains why they wouldn't target IC.

[RCEnigma]

The reasons I had already specified. Condensed down it's something like: Doc is an odd Nightkill considering singletons flip. Didn't see scum going out of their way to kill Doc so I thought a mis-cult killed him.

If that's my line of thinking who would Doc Cult? Vax was already the rival wagon to singleton so not likely.
Doc spent the day buddying Aero pretty heavily so a flip from either incriminates the other.
Irrelephant, nonny, Invis would be most likely fmpov and of those 2 are townreads and the other is a deep wolf read, not necessarily scum and I've already said it isn't tied to Vax.

So if I think it was a mis-cult it would mean scum did not kill or there isn't a scumteam. At the time I thought the latter. I think Invis' theory holds a little more weight however.

[RCEnigma]

Looking at it now there are probably more alignments that could potentially kill or cause a fail when targeted. I wasnt thinking out of the box there.

Quick question. If Inquisitor doesn't die on mis-cult does that mean his recruit went through? Are we still dealing with a cult situation?

[RCEnigma]

It functions as a cult. It's third party that doesn't have a killing power. Is that not considered cult here?

[RCEnigma]

I guess you guys expected the Spanish Inquisition... Damn...

Spoiler: DrDolittle

Inquisitor

Micro 824.2: Grand Idea Mafia (The Reroll)

Welcome, DrDolittle! You are an

Inquisitor

, and aligned with

yourself

.

Abilities:
~ Night Kill: Each night, you may attempt to kill someone. If they survive the kill, they will be recruited and added to your PT. The recruitment fails, however, if you attempt to recruit any player of an informed group, (Mafia, Werewolf, Mason, other Cult, etc).
~ Inquisitor PT: The Inquisitor PT may be found here.
~ Game Thread: The game thread may be found here.

Victory Condition:
~ You win once

you are the last man standing, once the

Inquisitor

obtain majority of the Town, or when nothing can prevent either from occuring.

Please confirm your existence by telling me your your role-name, alignment, and why you should have BP or something,

OR

by posting in the Inquisitor PT.

Day 2 Begins, and ends in (expired on 2018-10-15 20:35:00)!

VOTE COUNT 2.0

Vaxkiller (0):

Aeronaut (0):

Invisibility (0):

Irrelephant11 (0):

RCEnigma (0):

Nako (0):

nonny (0):

Not Voting (7):

Vaxkiller, Aeronaut, Invisibility, Irrelephant11, RCEnigma, Nako, Nonny
With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

(expired on 2018-10-15 20:35:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Aeronaut and Nonny are V/LA until October 1st.

I didnt see that before. I assumed it was just a recruit type ability.

[RCEnigma]

So to get things straight, Doc has a killing power that recruits if his kill fails but does not kill him when he targets non-town alignments?

Meaning someone survived the kill or he targeted non town AND was targeted by mafia.

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: Vaxkiller

I hate to say but unless the only world I see Vax as scum in is if the team is exactly Vax/Aero. Considering who Doc would have targeted in the night. And if that is the case then we could be in Mylo with an inquisitor between nonny/irrelephant/invis since there was only one kill in the night. Then Nonny probably would have hammered Vax already. So one between irrelephant/invis?

I think that's less likely than Doc hitting mafia in the night and that still leaves the same poe fmpov of at least one mafia in irrelephant/invis/nonny with nonny not hammering.

Sorry I'm jotting all this down on the fly I've got cable coming over any minute and I'm rushing but this is making my head spin atm.

If any of that isn't possible please point out the holes in my theories.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah but a VT wouldn't survive the inquisitor kill....VT is in play.

[RCEnigma]

OK that makes more sense, I'm all over the place. Super VT is in play so he did not target a vanilla town, since there would have been a kill.

Meaning he hit a third party role or scum and both his kill/recruit failed. There's also the possibility of a roleblocker though.

[RCEnigma]

I've given my thoughts on who I think doc would have targeted. At least that's what makes sense to me. I think Invis' idea of sk makes sense unless scum has a roleblocker? Not sure if roleblocking SK makes SK target roleblocker here. If that's what scum were picking up on.

[RCEnigma]

Where's the certainty of >2 scum existing?

I guess there could be 1 or 0, but highly unlikely there are more, with 3 scum they could EASILY swing any wagon they want.

Don't think it could be 0 considering there was a nightkill without Sk or something in play?

I thought it was cult v cult based on misreading the flipped role....a lot. Irrelephant points about Recruiting bulletproof scum, I don't remember the exact post. But with Super VT in play any target on town is a successful kill (not recruit) therefore we know Doc did not target town since all town are vanilla. Kill AND recruit fails on any informed group. I might be reading it wrong again but that scenario makes sense to me.

[RCEnigma]

cult that roleblocks and kills if it hits a non-town???????????

Uhhh what?

[RCEnigma]

My motto for this whole game lol.

[RCEnigma]

i dont knwo?!/!?!?1//1

[RCEnigma]

At this point I'd like Vax to cross vote Nonny and I'll vote vax for IC to hammer at his discretion. That being said I don't want someone to log on in the meantime and hammer before conformed can make a decision. If it's Nonny/Vax I feel like Nonny has more equity as I've stated my theory. Still feel Vax played scummy but was a less likely inquisitor target.

[RCEnigma]

If that's what you want to do, I'll cross with you or nonny whenever Elsa is ready.

[RCEnigma]

Elsa are you still town

Fwiw, in the event I do get lynched here. This is still pinging me as "doesn't know if VTs are still VTs" that and the bulletproof thing so tomorrow is highly consider making nonny/irrelephant the lynchpool.

[RCEnigma]

My vote being cast now is pretty dangerous if I'm wrong because it could lead to a quickhammer from the opposing wagon. It would also pressure the IC into feeling he has to make a move prematurely.

[RCEnigma]

@Elsa I can be on roughly 9 hours from now or whatever time you are free tomorrow if you want to set a timeframe.

[RCEnigma]

Ahh I'm around to vote. It would be preferable if Vax moved his vote but what can you do. Consider yourself as having 2 votes Elsa.

[RCEnigma]

Unfortunate VOTE: Vaxkiller

I don't feel good about this at all uggh.

[RCEnigma]

no scum??? no scum gambit???
also there is not recruiter

Is the no kill a gambit itself?

[RCEnigma]

Vax flipping town clears Aero. The only way Vax wasn't early hammered was if the team was Vax/Aero which isnt the case.

So I don't really get the Fos. The only argument I could see is that there is only one scum who wouldn't have wanted that kind of attention.

[RCEnigma]

That is interesting hmm, that wouldn't cancel Doc's kill and I still feel I was right about his kill placement so.
VOTE: nonny L-1

[RCEnigma]

The confusion about VT applies to scum as well. Despite being informed they don't know how it affects town. Naturally. However if irrelephant really shot Doc then I'm lead to believe there either isn't scum and we are dealing with a third party without a killing power or scum had some incentive to no kill?

Game question. Would the game have started it there was no scum team? Even if it was 1 individual?

[RCEnigma]

Then yeah unless it was a bulletproof Lyncher im not really convinced.

[RCEnigma]

Well then we have a bone to pick with Korina.

[RCEnigma]

The plan was to recruit irrelephant night 1 and then probably Invis or Aero n2. Not a chance I was touching super VT.

That said idk it doesn't feel like cult deserved that recruit. That said.....prime recruiter Bleh lol.