Mini 2034: DnD uPick (Town Victory!)

[Tatl and Tael]

I think keychain is >rand scum. let's lynch her

-Tatl

[Tatl and Tael]

Also, I'm going to let Keychain mostly play the game on her own until she's consensus town then step in.

I don't really feel like posting and being scumread this game :shrug:

[Tatl and Tael]

I wasn't even aware there was a level mechanic?

[Tatl and Tael]

I just thought about something that happened in this game and thought about something that might be a towntell for me and did some digging in past games
and sure enough there's an extremely simple 100% effective tell present in, like, a lot of my town games and never even once as scum

[Tatl and Tael]

schadd, vaguely

[Tatl and Tael]

there's three super standout meta things that I noticed and want to verify that will hopefully result in at least 2 100% townreads

[Tatl and Tael]

(one of which is the thing that I realized is present in my own game)

[Tatl and Tael]

uwu hi VOTE: lovebirg

my 3ds died and my charger doesn't ship until tuesday :[

i got 2-day shipping....... on wednesday..... and it just like openly said in checkout "yup thisll get here on the 9th"

do u... do u need a charger

i can order u one

NO it is not an issue with the chrager as far as I can perceive - I have FULLY charged it but it just doesent turn on? (っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ

: (

i think rightknight and koki??? r town

hi keychain : )

which of these 5 posts to you makes schadd town

[Tatl and Tael]

How I have lived my life so far without experiencing SIMYK I don't know. I'll laugh if she's scum and the levels stuff is made up to discourage town from gaining levels. Also iirc one of the other hydras here contains FormerFish? Hi Fish!

I think keychain is >rand scum. let's lynch her

-Tatl

Good read. You're Tael though. Also don't self-meta please.

i think rightknight and koki??? r town

hi keychain : )

Hi <3


VOTE: ceejayvinoya
I'm not familiar with him but he's qualifying every one of his posts, his only ventured scumread is mechanics based on SIMYK but he's naked voted for Lovebird.


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

Also don't self-meta please.

i believe him

Why? Or is that just because it lines up with a separate read on us?

[Tatl and Tael]

Also iirc one of the other hydras here contains FormerFish? Hi Fish!

::waves:: hola! You comfortable with RC hiding under your skirt?

I mean, yeah. I think it's probably a good idea to let me front for now for several reasons. Are you not?

Also don't self-meta please.

i believe him

Why? Or is that just because it lines up with a separate read on us?

oh i sorta misread

i believe him that such a thing exists, how about

if he is town and evaluated that thing in that way i think it would be possible he did so as wolf, or noticed it in the past as town, etc

This plus 226 up my scumread on you. It seems like you're scum trying to maintain your activity but in a fairly forced way.

are u tring tatl or tael

Arent they the same?

"from which head does the read source"

I know what you were asking, sorta. What I am saying is why would it matter which head the read was coming from? Do you trust their ability to read one head over the other? If the answer is one over the other what would that tell you? For me being part of a hydra is playing as one person. I know that isnt possible 100% but there shouldnt be much deviation from a base for the slot itself.

Anyone reasonably familiar with us would probably boost their accuracy by reading us separately, because they can use their own knowledge of how we play. So it's a good question.

i was trying to investigate saskeismyyaoikismesis's thought process for townreading a slot

i am somewhat familiar with saskeismyyaoikismesis and i have expectations as to how she would be sorting the tatl and tael hydra that i am not saying

she probably has an idea of it tho

eh?

For the puprose of the record, Schadd, I am slightly altering those methods since because Keychain is in the hydra so ya...

pedit: I figrued... （￣へ￣）

eh?? What are these methods and why does my presence alter them I want to know


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

Eragon, how do you feel about your current vote?

[Tatl and Tael]

For the puprose of the record, Schadd, I am slightly altering those methods since because Keychain is in the hydra so ya...

pedit: I figrued... （￣へ￣）

eh?? What are these methods and why does my presence alter them I want to know

y

Personal curiosity. I have no idea why you asked this.

not really sowwy

you cant explain the read yet you vote me because you think im scum?

i am not confident that you are maf but yes

please just vote me

SCHADD why do you have a death wish? Also I disagree on your Eragon read and I'm interested in hearing you develop it further.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya
I'm not familiar with him but he's qualifying every one of his posts, his only ventured scumread is mechanics based on SIMYK but he's naked voted for Lovebird.


-Key

what do you mean by qualifying every one of his posts?

I don't think he's made a single scum hunting statement without hedging/fencesitting/giving himself an out, which seems to me to be more likely to come from scum trying to avoid taking too firm a position too early.

Well atleast I feel less dumb for those moments I townread schadd ┐(´-｀)┌

What posts cause these moments? Reading through it looks like you had a townread earlier that dissapated (my phone doesn't think that's a word but I do so there), but it sounds like you're going back and forth. To me his activity sounds forced.

hi sorry ive been busy

great I missed nothing much

ceejay I don't know anything about you but your posting is really bad. Are you generally this noncommittal?


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

hey keychain can we vote scumknight

[Tatl and Tael]

I'd find it useful if not everyone's username was distilled to 2 letter acronyms if possible because I'm going to lose track super quickly between RC, MC, CM, LB etc.

hey keychain can we vote scumknight

VOTE: RightKnight

I'm personally feeling better about ceejay (despite the increased support there - SIMYK if town I suspect your accuracy is higher than mine, I should be sheeping you before you sheep me) and kind of find Lovebird's vote there skeevy.

okay SO Kechain I think it would be most elementary for myself to elaborate upon my alexithymia regarding SCHADD by explaining what I LIKED and what I DISLIKED:

GOOD

• is MORE INTERACTIVE than I have seen in the past from him as scum!
  
• has not handed me a FREE townread and I still think he doth not townread me? so ya
  
• I AGREE with his reads except on Eragon and myself OBVI...
  
• I preposterise that it must be a reasonable action for schadd to initiate questioning my HISTORY of reading Raybells since because of our history/my INEPTITUDE in reading Raybells!

BAD

• WHAT he is interacting with seems LACKING but this game possesses an unfortunate DEARTH of content that is exciting... so that could be the reason why
  
• His frusttration with ERAGON seems a bit self-conscious?

WHILE there are more GOOD bullets in this specific repsonse it does not mean the townread outweighs the scumread for the purpose of the record! I do think that first bullet in the BAD column is MOST INTRIGUING when it comes to identifying IF schould is a MALICIOUSLY MALIGNANT MEMBER OF THE MALEVOLENT MAFIA - but there is also a good reason to be QUIZZICAL of its truth. I do not agree that TONE is a good method of reading him eithre so I do not agree with MariaF's vote so ya! (*^▽^*)

Thank you for this breakdown! I don't follow your analysis of his read on you - after 135 it didn't look like you would have expected a free townread from scumschadd. But I agree with the first and last points of both your lists.

On your question of why people weren't voting him - I was tempted but wanted to stick with ceejay a bit longer until he returned and to see what happened. And right now RC wants to vote RightKnight more than I want to vote schadd.

Summers over

on behalf of the southern hemisphere you're wrong and the weather's been improving every day


I like Messiah for town personally, probably going to hold that for a while.


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

You know full well how I feel about playing mafia with you so don't sneak into a game with me on an anonymous alt where I can't WOTC you and then start bitching that I'm toxic.
The idea of me 'hiding behind' Keychain as scum is stupid and not something that you would ever say as an actual read on me: it's something you'd say because it sounds good.
I also happen to have a very good read on your hydra partner, and surprise surprise, I

also

think she's scum.

I've stopped short of declaring open war on your slot because Keychain doesn't like it but realize that the only reason you might survive today is her.

[Tatl and Tael]

Also, you were calling us town for

literally no reason

at the start of the game then when you realized we were onto you, you 180ed that read and started calling us scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

Okay, but I know you're scum.

You know my scum meta and this is full of shit.

I plan everything as scum. If you ever think I am scum I am town. Period.

If you push me that results in your death. So rethink this and play nice

~~Math

You only talk like you're a wannabe RC when you're scum.
First off: I have a basically perfect record reading you. Same read that works on Titus works on you. You have the exact same tells. Town!you doesn't try this shit.
Second off: you want to have a battle let's have a battle. You think you're hot shit as scum but if you can't win Mastina's game in the position you were left in you're hopeless.

[Tatl and Tael]

Also I've done literally nothing to make this fight personal: you have. I just called you scum. So your attempt to claim moral high ground here is meme tier.

[Tatl and Tael]

The truth about you Mathblade is that you try your best to be me but you fail at it, then when you fail at it you blame me for crossing boundaries you wouldn't.
Which isn't at all the difference, I don't get mad about being correctly pushed as scum in the way you're implying and you

know

that.
You pushed on me the entire game in MIM, Keychain only pushed me for one day phase, yet she was all but lock town and people were voting you post my flip.

I didn't get mad at anyone in that game for calling me scum, I got mad because you were objectively obvious scum and no one would listen to me.
So the idea that I'm toxic to people when they push on me as scum, not so sensible. That's more of a town thing and even then it's when its for stupid reasons.
Now, people should listen to me when it's a person that I have a super consistent read on and the lack of that happening pissed me off.
Which really isn't a scum thing at all, and if you leveraged the entire situation half as well as I would have the game would have been unlosable.

But you still lost it, and you blamed me for it.

[Tatl and Tael]

You pushed on me the entire game in MIM, Keychain only pushed me for one day phase, yet she was all but lock town and people were voting you post my flip.

Point here is just that Mathblade is overestimating his abilities as a scum player when they come in and say all this big shit, not something else.

[Tatl and Tael]

I plan everything as scum. If you ever think I am scum I am town. Period.

And sure, hows this for a plan? "IF we call RC/Key town they'll townread us back. Oh wait, that didn't work. Let's call them scum and try to scare them off wagoning us."

[Tatl and Tael]

If you're somehow town in spite of your godawful play this game, put Nancy on the phone. I don't want to talk to you because it's bad for me and the game.

[Tatl and Tael]

If you can't tell the difference why would you not trust my read there instead of yours? O.o

[Tatl and Tael]

Read keychain and apply your read on her to me. There is nothing I can do to towntell anymore and I don't want to argue reasoning. I'm done with it.

[Tatl and Tael]

I'm not being any way, things just are the way that they are. I don't like them this way and I wish they would change but I can't change them.

[Tatl and Tael]

1) town mathblade never comes out with a townread on me in the early game, and if they really believe that I always misread them (which is demonstrably untrue), they don't 180 because I scumread them.
2) amusingly enough I was moreso scumreading the hydra because of the other head's posts until Mathblade came in here and just hard spewed the slot scum on the last page.

[Tatl and Tael]

I didn't ghostwrite for NSG when we hydraed, I'm certainly not going to put the effort in to ghostwrite for scum!Keychain when I think she's already a good scumplayer.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like idk what universe you think you're living in where I care enough about playing scum right now to write posts for Keychain.

[Tatl and Tael]

I was scum though?

[Tatl and Tael]

I still tryhard on the rare town game where I don't feel like I'm not being unfairly scumread, but even those eventually end in me being unfairly scumread.

[Tatl and Tael]

By the way: I've actually almost never landed in a game with Mathblade. As far as I know I've only been in a game as town with scum her once that wasn't a turbo, and I did call her scum there.
It's more that I occasionally spectate games she's in and have nailed her consistently. I can bring up discord messages to prove at least some incidences of this happening.

[Tatl and Tael]

Hey, you know how you can resolve this? you can lynch the scum hydra.

[Tatl and Tael]

I have never seen more than 10 posts from nancy drew and not known her alignment correctly. she's scum this game.

I think the tone is way off for Nancy Drew as is the playstyle which is why I'm assuming that she's 100% scum if she is in fact Nancy Drew. But I'm scumreading them either way.

Whoops

I really gotta, like, not play multiple hydra games at once lol

[Tatl and Tael]

Lovebird is my 1 and only townread this game, pretty typical that they're getting wagoned.

[Tatl and Tael]

schadd, what's your simyk read?

[Tatl and Tael]

Hey Maria, who are you scumreading most in this game and why is it me?

[Tatl and Tael]

I 600 posted last game because I thought the lobby deserved it. It didn't stop me from getting lynched. Making Keychain the face of the hydra might, so we're trying that.

[Tatl and Tael]

literally anyone on that wagon lol

[Tatl and Tael]

and, like, her being town wouldn't necessarily mean that town have to be on the wagon. towns are bad.

[Tatl and Tael]

500, w/e

[Tatl and Tael]

ITT: scum rightknight realizes that they're not mislynching us so they try to score the easy mislynch on Lovebird first.

[Tatl and Tael]

Lovebird you gotta realize when someone is straight scum pushing you.

[Tatl and Tael]

Because letting you as scum push on Lovebird makes it easy for you to get Lovebird lynched and is bad for town

[Tatl and Tael]

I mean, you -can- ask questions of people, you just won't last long doing it.

Prob lynching this if lovebird flips V and having it as lock town if lovebird flips W

I'd rather you didn't try to pick a fight with me.

[Tatl and Tael]

Town Mathblade is stubborn as sin. Town mathblade comes in and has a gigantic fight with me because he has to prove that I'm scum because that's how he reacts to situations like this.
He's backing off and pushing an easy mislynch because he's scum and that's the safer play for him as scum. Take an easy mislynch, nightkill me, have his buddies refuse to vote him tomorrow.
This course of action, to immediately derail and start pushing someone else is not a part of Mathblade's playbook and he's going to insist he's gotten better about that but he objectively hasn't.
Math would be screaming and yelling that I'm scum and the problem and that everyone needs to immediately lynch me because he has an 100% read here.

For the record I told keychain before Maria's last post that if she didn't either call me scum or start attacking my ability she was 100% scum and it started so maybe she's town.

[Tatl and Tael]

????????????????

I called you he.

[Tatl and Tael]

1) I am working with a hydra partner. That explicitly means I talk with them. I show them why I think what I do and we discuss things and we do things that we both agree on.

2) I can be just as stubborn as scum.

3) I have many games where I am NOT stubborn as town and have been working on fixing that flaw.

4) Again you are assuming that I am backing off you because you think I am playing strategically, I promised Checkmate I would give the benefit of the doubt and they would me. We talk about things whenever I am not on a sickness stay away from mafia moment.

5) On a new site I am actually good and have a 75/100% (its complicated) winrate as town. I admit I am human and I do have games where I fuck up.

Quite literally everything you have described is all in my last town game here. Talk about this game. If you think I am scum what is scummy here? I don’t think you can answer that question, instead you’re trying to lynch me because oh no Math can be a good scum player.

Well I can be a decent town player given the chance. Keep it in game.

~~Castle

You're the one who keeps dragging it out of game Mathblade!
I've just said that you're scum, described the way that you play the game as town, explained how that's clearly not your approach in this game, and told everyone to lynch you.
Me lynching you when you roll scum isn't a personal attack, it's me attempting to play to my win condition. Stop repeatedly making comments along the lines of keep it in game when I have done absolutely nothing to make this an out of game battle besides to point out that I didn't know you would be in this game.

[Tatl and Tael]

You even implicitly acknowledged that I know how to read you when you said that you were trying to fool other people not me when I kept saying you were obvscum last game
so then you come into this game and be like oh RC doesn't know how to read me but he's also scum but i'm also going to randomly vote the biggest wagon for reasons

[Tatl and Tael]

I already have made my case: that you make this play as scum but not as town.
The fact that you don't like the way I describe your town game is the single biggest flaw of your scum game, that you aren't self aware enough regarding your town game to understand how you actually come across and you play scum as an 'idealized' version of your town game where you play like you want to think you are as opposed to the way that you actually are.

The fact that you don't like my meta doesn't mean that it's not true or that you're not scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

Well it was a pretty bad comment where you basically said that if my read on someone was right I was scum and if it was wrong I was locktown because my reads are bad or something? So I expected you to say something dumb that upsets me but it doesn't mean that I am happy about you saying something scum that upsets me.

There's plenty you can talk with me about that isn't literally just saying you're bad and if you're right its because you're informed scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like just because you traditionally interact with me in ways that I hate and so I expect them doesn't mean that I'm happy with them?

[Tatl and Tael]

When do I ever sound like my reads aren't TMI though?

[Tatl and Tael]

Okay, but given that you scumread me literally all the time when I'm town and intellectually you can agree that your reasoning is bad, can you let go of it?

[Tatl and Tael]

Because of the people expressing scumreads on me you're the only one I wouldn't classify as 'others'.

[Tatl and Tael]

I mean I know I know I don't like you THAT much but you're cute so you get at least a few brownie points for that.

[Tatl and Tael]

I care about your read on me and I don't care about the read on me of anyone else who has expressed a scumread on me as far as I remember.

[Tatl and Tael]

okay okay stop
I'm not scum, I'm willing to believe you're not scum
lovebird isn't scum either

VOTE: Messiah Complex

[Tatl and Tael]

if yall hadn't been anonymous or had wotced me out then I wouldn't have been stuck having to play with math.

[Tatl and Tael]

I fell behind. Hydra fight getting kind of dirty didn't help. In future, if you're a secret alt preinned to a game and I sign up as a hydra with someone who for whatever reason you don't want to play with but don't want to out yourself to, please contact me and I'll find us another game

I think the tone is way off for Nancy Drew as is the playstyle which is why I'm assuming that she's 100% scum if she is in fact Nancy Drew. But I'm scumreading them either way.

Can we please powerlynch this? Actually, after my flip, that will definitely happen anyway. Hopefully town isn’t that stupid to fall for this though.

While RC actually seemed to be making some effort to sort me, this scultroll hydra hasn’t read even 10 posts from me but proclaims themelves to be some kind of fucking expert on me. Really?

I mean, let’s call a spade a spade here. Whomever is behind this facade is blatantly open wolfing here and acks the guts to do it under their real nic.

The only player whomever claims to lock alignmentread me accurately is Ank and if she were in this game. we know she would have already locktowned me.

VOTE: rightknight ?

Schaad, if you are town here, can you not recognize an open scumclaim when you see it? No way in hell is M&Ms town in this game. No freaking way.

What town player claims to meta alignment lock a player, based on

less than 10 fucking posts

??? and under a secret hydra no less? In what world can this ever come from town?

I suggest you out, checkmate
given math outed speculating about you is only going to harm your slot and the game

Now I need scumtroll M&Ms hydra to do likewise.

I have never seen more than 10 posts from nancy drew and not known her alignment correctly. she's scum this game.

I think the tone is way off for Nancy Drew as is the playstyle which is why I'm assuming that she's 100% scum if she is in fact Nancy Drew. But I'm scumreading them either way.

Whoops

I really gotta, like, not play multiple hydra games at once lol

Dafuq????

Did you roll scum here RC? Is this you open wolfing here? I honestly don’t know what to think rn.

What a ridiculous sequence of events. I don't know why but I feel like this confusion points town, though not strongly. Potentially a strategy in response to the RC scumread though, or an intense overreaction to an "unknown player" having a scumread. Also I'm laughing at the "acks the guts to do it under their real nic" bit, considering to my knowledge neither this hydra nor Music and Mail are anonymous. Maybe just a little self consciousness coming from the only hydra that even started out secret.

Though now that I think about it, the pivot back to "and because of this RC is scum" despite favourably comparing RC to M&M feels more like scum making a misstep and trying to steer it back to the scumread they're claiming to have, rather than town actually realising they made a mistake and using that to determine the read. Feels like the scumread came first and the reason later, does that make sense?

Wtf? How is that "why me"? And, I already said who voting me I think is scum.

Aren’t you even a little bit suspicious that you are T&T’s 1 and only townread in this game? Aren’t you at all concerned about possibly being pocketed by them?

Hello, this is Keychain. Lovebird is not T&T's only townread unless you filter out any posts I sign. I have stated my townread on Messiah (yes I noticed our vote is on them) and I also agree with the mostly consensus townreads of SIMYK and Eragon. I've also mentioned I found at least one of Lovebird's actions "skeevy", so that's some funny pocketing we're doing. I know it's easy to miss me, but I am here.

idea: keychain explains her reads with linguistics analogies to prevent rc from ghostwriting

I want to use diglossia to compare two reads but it's too early in the morning to come up with something good but I want you to know I thought about it

VOTE: Tatl and Tael

Missing their usual zeal

Me or him?


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

He also accepts "yeah", so you can't argue he's trying to get her to say a specific word. Just an unambiguous response.


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

hey kokichi remember the last time you went crazy on someone for refusing a LD?

[Tatl and Tael]

neither of our heads think that rightknight is town for anything that ND upon reflection. it is my view that we should power tunnel them because they're at worst a huge threat to the game, and are scum a massive amount of the time.
Keychain is opposed to me tunneling anyone because she feels like it's going to kill town engagement with the game. I think that avoiding town being engaged in shitlynching town is a good thing but I'm not in the mood for it.
I think that you guys all need to get the thirst for lynchbait out of your system so after we mislynch LB for absolutely no reason at all I'm going to come in tomorrow and we'll kill rightknight.

how does that sound?

[Tatl and Tael]

to me it seemed like ND wanted to seem as sincere as possible in her scumread on me at certain points but it didn't mesh with her overall attempt to get me to back off of her and go somewhere else.
like the entire package doesn't add up to me, it doesn't feel like someone who actually thinks I'm scum at any point it feels like scum who wants to seem sincere on thinking so while their real goal fundamentally is to try to get me to back off. particularly with all of the stuff about the mathblade head that I don't like. particularly with what strongly feels like scum strongarming through the Lovebird mislynch.

i would say that there's almost never less than 2 scum currently voting on lovebird.

[Tatl and Tael]

like i kinda think it's multiball

wisdom/rightknight one side
messiah complex/simyk the other side

[Tatl and Tael]

as an aside from that (and yes that is my 4 scumreads of the game right now) I have a very strong feeling that town reads are not just wrong but like way fucking wrong.
@Simyk I want to townread you for your postcount but literally nothing in this game that's come out of you gives me townfeels for you. why?

[Tatl and Tael]

i'm townreading maria, lovebird, kinda townreading dunn, vaguely townreading kokichi and schadd and ceejay, willing to sheep consensus on eragon

the leftover pool is

messiah
rightknight
simyk
wisdom
-empty slot-

[Tatl and Tael]

Math remember that you only survive today because I let you survive today.

[Tatl and Tael]

[Tatl and Tael]

Maria say affirmative

[Tatl and Tael]

ayyy

[Tatl and Tael]

i'm not even that sure rightknight is scum i just really want them dead :shrug:

[Tatl and Tael]

https://epicmafia.com/role/1207

[Tatl and Tael]

hey maria who are you scumreading?

[Tatl and Tael]

I really wanna case Messiah because they're really glaring to me but it's the kind of scumread that's really hard to make a case one.
Like I feel like they haven't done anything. They've been a part of the discussion and made asides and they've asked questions but they haven't pushed anyone or taken any original views.
They engage with the content of the thread and they ask questions to look like they're solving but they've never had like a strong point of view or anything that feels like town drive to solve.

I barely understand what any of that means. No one in this hydra has ever played d&d. We are here because our last game stalled in signups.

I doubt Kok would so brazenly fuck you up here though. It would be as close to suicide that a scummer could make at this point.

Like, what does this do in terms of solving the game, how does it bring us closer to solving, what of it gives any town vibes whatosever?
And then they have tons of posts like

Saskes reaction to this was especially bad when you think about the fact that ive pointed out twice to them that the situation in question (them having knowledge about game mechanics specific to this mafia game) is a definite possibility and something that we might have to address sooner than later.

Like okay 'address sooner than later' why don't you follow up on it or are you just bringing it up to look busy?

[Tatl and Tael]

Lovebird's not answering questions and w/e but she's taken original stances and has looked like she's trying to develop reads. she feels town to me. she feels like lynchbait here.
Messiah to me feels like charismatic scum who is trying to look like they're a part of the conversation and look town while not actually trying to gamesolve.
and I feel like people like Messiah flip scum a fuckton more than people like Lovebird do and the wagon there makes me sad.

[Tatl and Tael]

VOTE: Messiah

115 is scummy. And, the rest of his posts on that page aren't really saying anything.

like I think that not really saying anything is a very accurate assessment of both the stuff on that page and their ISO in general.

[Tatl and Tael]

I actually have to request keychain permission to vote there since I know she was townreading them but I'll see if she's going to go along.

[Tatl and Tael]

can you just stay on lovebird?

T&T is fucking open wolfing. I don’t know wtf they’re trying to prove but saying they want me dead and saying they’re not even sr me, is a blatant scumclaim.

I feel a lot more confident that this is flipping red than LB but I’m not opposed. I just don’t want open wolfing scum to be allowed to coast.

RightKnight your cherrypicking is becoming frustrating. I think you're scum, I've said this and you not paying attention to that if while thinking we're scum is , but we're looking elsewhere right now because I think it's more useful and RC is working with that. We'll revisit you later.
In the meantime be helpful and protown, do the cooperative talking thing you want RC to be doing. Exclaiming we're open wolfing and blatantly scumclaiming, asking the mod to edit ingame posts ( ) and all that nonsense is just counterproductive noise, since it's unlikely to get us lynched. Assuming that's your goal with it.

i'm townreading maria, lovebird, kinda townreading dunn, vaguely townreading kokichi and schadd and ceejay, willing to sheep consensus on eragon

the leftover pool is

messiah
rightknight
simyk
wisdom
-empty slot-

I like how it sounds! But, not convinced on ceejay. Why consensus on eragon?

I didn't give this list but I'll give opinions. Personally I switched on ceejay because of the zero fucks given, that seems riskier to me as scum. I have messed up reads because of that before though, thinking about it. Consensus on Eragon is that I think he's town and some of the things he's said have been very on point, plus most everyone already thinks he's town so kicking that is probably not worth it. Him getting in between Kokichi and Maria was suuuuper awkward though. Possibly as awkward as Maria herself, though that looks resolved now.

Lovebird I'm sad you're scum this game

How do you feel about MC?

Literally who

I'm not the only one suffering!


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

ND there's an element of progression that I think you're missing. I did think you guys were scum. Now I'm not so sure. Keychain still thinks that you're scum outright. I'm not scum and I wouldn't push on you guys if I were scum because Mathblade is one of the most easily pocketed players in site history and town you wouldn't see anything amiss with me cozying up to your slot given that I did it every time we rolled town.

If you're town trust us to figure it out in the space that we're giving you, if you're scum trust us to not forget it and to powerlynch you into next week

[Tatl and Tael]

I

really

think that MC is scum in a way that I haven't felt about any of my other scumreads this game.

[Tatl and Tael]

I think that {Saske/MC} has really high odds of being two scum. I don't understand the townreads SIMYK has: are you just locking her town for postcount because that's the only thing I can see.
I can't 100% say that Lovebird is town because I don't have a strong grasp of what her scum game looks like but I can say pretty confidently that no one can say that she's scum for what she's done this game. And given the contents of the wagon (sidenote: I'm not actually that sure Wis is scum, though I do think he's below null) if she's scum I'm pretty sure she's being bussed which also makes me less enthusiastic about voting there because it's no good to vote scum and in the process gives scum immunity the rest of the game.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like Lovebird is a perfectly fine slot to not lynch in the early game because no one should be afraid of them endgaming. MC I'm already really concerned is going to endgame as scum, as I am with Simyk. Don't like their mutual interactions, don't like the individual slots, don't like Simyk's approach to MB wagon, don't like anything at all.

I think MC is getting lazy townreads because they're charismatic and trying to be nice to people that don't mesh with the content they've actually produced.

[Tatl and Tael]

MC doesn't look town at all and if you think that you're a weak player.

Or more accurately
"I cant read anyone for shit so i want to lynch town looking people so they dont endgame if they are scum"

Neither Simyk nor Messiah look town at all and if you think that you do, well, you're probably not a very good player.

[Tatl and Tael]

Sure, let's talk results.

My last finished town games:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77380

poed the game d1, still lost because my reads were ignored.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77043

had 2 scum pinned on D1, had enough townreads to poe the game, still lost because my reads were ignored.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76181

literally mechanically guiltied 3 scum and had called all 4 scum on d2 with only 1 flipped scum (that I deathtunneled) and still lost the game because... my reads were ignored.

there's a pattern here.

[Tatl and Tael]

Now do I have a flaw in terms of reacting badly to being scumread and scumreading people for scumreading me? probably. Do I systematically misread certain people? probably.
But I was just in a formerfish game where I opened his ISO and had him pinned as town on his 4th posts (the newbie.) I scumread him about his 7th post in this game.
I'm confident in my ability to read that slot, thank you very much.

[Tatl and Tael]

oh we can add

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77333

had the PoE pool down d1, was right, lost because I got mislynched despite having been the town mvp in every sense.
led two mislynches on carca and skygazer but they were scumreading me for the most bogus reasons imaginable and they shouldn't have won if they were scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

Let's talk your results. Partition mafia? NSG single easiest modern player to read on the site, even moreso than Creature, and you derptunneled her and lost? That's unimpressive.
So dunno dude. I am not Ellibereth because I don't have his machine but I perform. Don't discredit me or my reads.
If you're scum trying to keep your partners alive you're better off just calling me scum, I'm sure you'll get at least a few dummies in the game to mislynch me.

[Tatl and Tael]

Or that deathtunnel you did on Titus that was so extreme that I thought you had a guilty despite the fact that I was hard townreading Sakura Hana.
Like I'm not here to say you're a shit player but I have confidence in my abilities and if you're going to attack my reads I'll certainly bring them into perspective.

[Tatl and Tael]

I'm not against that but MC is fundamentally scummy and I think that anyone who takes the time to actually look through their ISO critically will agree with my assessment that there's a shit ton of empty shade and a shit ton of questions that don't get followed up on and a shit ton of charismatic buddying up to people but very little actual gamesolving effort or reads pushing.

[Tatl and Tael]

This ain't some kind of 'its a read that only I can see thing' which I am perfectly comfortable bringing out when it suits me, its an objective fact.

[Tatl and Tael]

So what happens when MC flips scum?

[Tatl and Tael]

Like I just said

there's no gamesolving effort
there's a lot of empty shade
there's a lot of empty questions that don't get followed up on
there's icky interactions between them and simyk
I get heavily gut pinged by several of their posts

[Tatl and Tael]

I dunno you're acting like I'm saying 'lynch this person because I'm RC and I'm the cutest person in the game' but that's not really what's been happening.

[Tatl and Tael]

Why would I be biased regarding MC? I think the only thing at all present in this game I systematically get biased about is people scumreading me are more likely to be scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

Okay SO apparently the leveling system is not public information!

So I guess only my role has knowledge of its existence WHICH makes sense! ^_^

Tinfoil hat theory, you are scum and didnt realize that only you guys had that part of the game explained to you. You spoke to it before your buddies could tell you not to. Now you are stuck in an odd position.

HOW am I in an odd position? (・_・ヾ

I mean in this theory you are scum who has knowledge of a mechanic that isnt known to the town. So in this case the odd position would be you claiming to have info about how the game works when no one else does. Like I said maybe you thought this was info we'd all have and now you have to backtrack a bit to save face.

I felt that he was more likely to pick my vote if he townread me for my entrance as town and also feel like he is opening himself to be interactive! ^_^

So not really a specific post it is JUST an emotional leveling with the content he has posted so far

The more I read the top part the more confused it get.

The more I read the bottom the more I think this is coming from scum.

Like this empty shade on the Simyk hydra that never gets seriously followed up is incredibly scum indicative and that's an objective statement.
FF is a big boy who follows up on his reads, he is not someone I've known to shade a slot a whole bunch of times and not end up pushing them seriously.

[Tatl and Tael]

ff kinda looks town 2 me

I kinda feel like this is a test. Is this a test? Like if I dont say anything after what I said earlier than how can you trust anything I say?

Also who when townread immediately asks if it's a test like they expect to

not

get townread or something

[Tatl and Tael]

Ceejay you saw my reads in the newbie sheep me on MC please

[Tatl and Tael]

Sure, let's talk results.

My last finished town games:

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77380

poed the game d1, still lost because my reads were ignored.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77043

had 2 scum pinned on D1, had enough townreads to poe the game, still lost because my reads were ignored.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76181

literally mechanically guiltied 3 scum and had called all 4 scum on d2 with only 1 flipped scum (that I deathtunneled) and still lost the game because... my reads were ignored.

there's a pattern here.

This is gambler’s fallacy RC.

Just stop. Mafia isn’t a scientific game.

~~Castle

I'm glad that you've started appreciating that your reads are no better than chance.
I would argue that your reads are significantly

worse

than chance, but I am fine with you at least agreeing your reads are not better than chance.
That said, the fact that your reads are significantly worse than chance (or chance) does not mean that

my

reads are chance and the fact you scumread LB basically guarantees them town imo

the people who have strong lovebird scumreads are the same people who have mislynched lovebird in their past games.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like LOVEBIRD HAS 58 POSTS.

YOU SAY SHE LURKS AS SCUM: I AGREE SHE LURKS AS SCUM

SHE IS NOT LURKING THIS GAME

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ABOUT HER ALIGNMENT?

[Tatl and Tael]

RightKnight Oct 06, 01:39pm Oct 11, 02:00pm 0 days 0 hours 172
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis Oct 06, 12:19pm Oct 09, 08:49pm 1 day 18 hours 119
schadd_ Oct 06, 01:35pm Oct 11, 02:18pm 0 days 0 hours 103
Tatl and Tael Oct 06, 02:28pm Oct 11, 02:54pm 0 days 0 hours 100
Eragon Oct 06, 12:11pm Oct 10, 11:37pm 0 days 15 hours 79
MariaR Oct 06, 12:55pm Oct 11, 01:20am 0 days 13 hours 63
Messiah Complex Oct 06, 07:07pm Oct 10, 10:46pm 0 days 16 hours 58
Lovebird Oct 06, 02:12pm Oct 11, 12:24am 0 days 14 hours 53

median activity
some lurker huh
sure playing to that scum meta of lurking

[Tatl and Tael]

oh, 1 below median activity
tragic
point stands i would expect like 20 posts from her as scum at this point in the game.

[Tatl and Tael]

@Maria why are you sheeping kokichi instead of me?

[Tatl and Tael]

Ceejay you saw my reads in the newbie sheep me on MC please

I'll think on it.
My early townreads are usually right tho...

this one isn't.

[Tatl and Tael]

also, would you agree that malakittens and lovebird are very comparable in terms of the reason that you're scumreading them?

[Tatl and Tael]

at least unvote CJ

[Tatl and Tael]

Castle remember that time I told you maria was town and that 2 people were scum and you did every single thing you could to derail it despite the fact that I had told you before that game that I don't want you following me into games without asking permission because you ruin games for me and then you ruined that game for me and then MariaR flipped town? Do you enjoy creating shitty situations like this for me?

@ND get your partner to unvote Lovebird or I am going to make this extremely ugly for both of you because I am pissed now.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like what's our game history?

0) You were town with every single wrong read in CIv mafia. I made you mislynch every town. scum won
1) you fakeclaimed a guilty on me. I was town. I told you to leave me the fuck alone.
2) You join a game despite me telling you to leave me the fuck alone and antagonize me to the point that I get banned for it. Note that UT at this point promised to force replace you if you do it again, which I just remembered now.
3) Attempted to negotiate ceasefire, replace into Mastina's game, call all the scum at different points, replace out because nancy was being an ass.
4) A bunch of SvS games which went fine until the last one where you decided that it was incredibly toxic of me to bus you in a game where all scum weren't going to endgame and we needed to start earning major towncred early (you failed to do this and ended up losing the game as a result, I will note)
5) this

so like it's pretty clear we don't work as anything besides scumbuddies, but given that I've outperformed you every time we've been TvT you'd think at some point you'd stop being like this.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like I don't want to try to force replace your hydra because of ND and I don't want to replace out either because of Keychain so I'd like to find some kind of compromise
but compromise isn't you continuing your streak of discrediting all my correct wagons on scum and handing scum free mislynches every day phase that you get active

[Tatl and Tael]

that isn't gambler's fallacy

Yes it is.

It says I have rolled X a hundred times therefore Y is bound to happen.

When X has no direct impact on what Y could be.

~~Castle

Like as a programmer I'd assume you have some concept of logic and are smart enough to put the fact that my reads are generally worthwhile in the category of X impacting Y.
But I guess that flies out the window when it involves me because your goal is to antagonize me or something? who knows. you won't piss me off enough to get me banned this time.
like you've just said something that either makes you incredibly stupid or makes you intentionally trying to piss me off. What conclusion should I draw, mathblade?

[Tatl and Tael]

no its just rc being rc
can you just ignore him for now?

Okay, he’s just trying to bait our slot to get off LB.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Lovebird

Anyway RC, I apologize if I said anything to upset you. I think it’s pretty damn clear to everyone here that neither Math or you have any interest in fighting. I can tell you that Math made it 100% clear to me, he isn’t. Like you, he just wants to have a fun game.

@Mod, can you delete this post? You will be my favourite mod ever.

don't be passive aggressive when you secret hydra in a game with a person who goes out of their way to ruin games for me and then claim they're not doing so.
like math is clearly either scum being disingenuous, or trying to ruin the game for me. the solution is to lynch them either way regardless of your attachment to them.
if you're town then get your partner to stop pulling this shit on me because regardless of what bullshit they peddle to you they are intentionally aiming to piss me off if town.

i don't want to force you to acknowledge this but i suppose this discussion follows from the assumption they are town which i would agree with

it could go either way. if they are actually town I'm doing my due diligence in preventing them from being a necessary mislynch.

[Tatl and Tael]

and for context which mathblade probably hasn't given you if you're town and has instead tried to claim some sort of moral highgruond:

mathblade fakeclaims a guilty on town me which pisses me off to the point that Titus force replaces me. town loses because of him.
immediately following this, mathblade joins a game after with me (and I had specifically said both in the previous game and in skype for them to stop joining games with me without asking)
mathblade agrees to be bussed then following the point of no return decides that i'm being super toxic and gets the mod to force replace me

[Tatl and Tael]

I don't like you because you discredit me every time I try to lynch scum and powerlynch town for no reason.
You come into this game and discredit me when I'm trying to lynch scum and you're trying to powerlynch town for no reason.

"why does RC come in and make this game about hating me?"

[Tatl and Tael]

ND there's an element of progression that I think you're missing. I did think you guys were scum. Now I'm not so sure. Keychain still thinks that you're scum outright. I'm not scum and I wouldn't push on you guys if I were scum because Mathblade is one of the most easily pocketed players in site history and town you wouldn't see anything amiss with me cozying up to your slot given that I did it every time we rolled town.

If you're town trust us to figure it out in the space that we're giving you, if you're scum trust us to not forget it and to powerlynch you into next week

I’ll trust you’re town, when I see TOL RC in this game and not a moment sooner.

TOL RC was RC who got townread early and had their reads taken seriously and had the freedom to sort all the slots. That's why TOL RC was good.
You're trying to solve things in reverse order: I'll start taking a better approach to this game when I'm able to push people without having all this kneejerk resistance.

[Tatl and Tael]

And I said all of this in Throne of Lies itself that it felt so liberating to be townread and I felt super confident as a result.
I don't obvtown under pressure and I don't obvtown when Mathblade is doing their best to discredit me and shut my play down and harass me.

[Tatl and Tael]

I don't think that I know how to read wisdom. maybe vaguely scummy based on their approach to the ND hydra not feeling super solvey but meh.

[Tatl and Tael]

Keychain is outright scumreading there, for the record.

RC, you were the one who dealt the first blow -in THIS game.

My 'first blow' was to scumread your slot: you reacted by making it super personal. I'm keeping it super personal because it's clear to me that it is super personal from your point of view and that makes it personal to me because you attacking me personally as opposed to attacking me mafia wise is a lot more antagonizing.

[Tatl and Tael]

Also IDC who strikes the first blow this time. If a woman is getting beaten by her husband and when he comes home drunk and starts threatening her she stabs him is she at fault?

[Tatl and Tael]

Excessively heavy metaphor? Probably. But it

absolutely

applies.

[Tatl and Tael]

Maybe I should just get listmod involvement instead of ruining this game for everyone else, I dunno.
Like I'd feel bad about doing that if you guys were just scum using mathblade's history of being an asshole to me for personal gain but like this is really enough.

[Tatl and Tael]

I have nothing against you and a lot against your partner Nancy.

[Tatl and Tael]

And ftr I know what you're like. When I talk about making it personal I'm not talking about you. I expect a certain reaction from you. Mathblade me scumreading him into a whole bunch of bullshit about me hating him and not respecting his '75% winrate' on a different site and pulled that gambler's fallacy to discredit my reads.

Mathblade is a programmer, they're competent enough to apply gambler's fallacy, so that was either tactical discrediting or them being an asshole discrediting.

[Tatl and Tael]

Lovebird just keep your vote on MC please.

Wisdom correctly townreading us doesn’t make him scum. What?

Doesn't make him town either. It is what it is.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like nancy you have to realize that if you're town Mathblade is intentionally trying to piss me off then playing the victim in the situation. that's not okay. make him stop.
you don't have to blindly sheep what I say or anything, I'm not trying to bully you, but I want mathblade to not knee jerk oppose shit because I support it

[Tatl and Tael]

Let's start by clarifying something: where has my head expressed a read on you since you actively started posting in the game?

[Tatl and Tael]

If you're not willing to step in the middle of it then I'll just get the game mod / listmods to step in because this isn't going to work out any other way.

[Tatl and Tael]

I appreciate that this really sucks to be you right now but I can't deal with Mathblade doing Mathblade things right now.

[Tatl and Tael]

I mean after 780 or whatever post I'm thinking of, for the record.

[Tatl and Tael]

I'm intentionally not giving a read on your slot aorn.

[Tatl and Tael]

That's keychain's tone and its not an attempt to be smug, it's the way that she comes across / is.
Poorly worded sure but this isn't about you trusting my reads or w/e, this is about mathblade not playing the game in the manner that she has played games with me in the past.

[Tatl and Tael]

he.

[Tatl and Tael]

And Keychain’s gotcha type posts on me for really dumb reasons - combined with the infuriating smugness aren’t helping matters any.

Sorry for smugness.

Castle Head V/LA until tbd I was rear ended and dealing with that

Hope you're okay.


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

lovebird is hard lynchbait as town and she also basically never posts this much as scum. like she's a lot townier as scum because as town she really doesn't give a fuck and doesn't try to be towny whereas as scum she posts a lot less but she crafts her posts to try to look townie a lot more. in other words her being scumread points to her being town to me and the people scumreading her do the slot's scum equity no favors.

Also the ceejay vote is really silly from you Dunnstral, you voted Hebichan last game for doing the same thing (changing a vote when I asked them to) and they were town.

[Tatl and Tael]

@FF I've never before had the impression that you were using being gregarious and friendly and having good tone as a replacement for meaningful engagement before, so yeah charismatic.

[Tatl and Tael]

Does it not strike you guys as a bad sign that the first wagon that countered MC was the absolute most lynchbaity slot in the game, and the second wagon that is now countering it is the second most lynchbaity slot? Do you think that, maybe, we're going after people for being lynchbaity and/or different rather than being scummy in an objective sense if votes keep finding their way onto lynchbaity people?

[Tatl and Tael]

i don't think that wolves besides possibly wisdom are strongly leading town right now, i think townies are derping of their own accord :shrug:

[Tatl and Tael]

I disagree

[Tatl and Tael]

I'm trying to sync up with desp right now, but we are on opposite schedules for a day or so. I should be able to nail him down tomorrow sometime and Ill be around all weekend.

Which head of TnT keeps calling us charismatic? I think ive seen you say that twice now. What does that even mean and why is that something you have never used to describe me before?

MC was posting in this game at a rate of approximately 11 posts per day.
When I called them out as scum, we got this singular post over the 3 days following.
They're being honest that they're waiting for desperado, but it's because they're frozen wolf trying not to spew themselves scum any further now that they've been called out for it.

[Tatl and Tael]

deth 2 methiah

[Tatl and Tael]

Lovebird adn Messiah Complex are the leading wagons and while I TOWNREAD the wagon comp against Messiah I see NO reason to vote them until I see them interact more since cause I liked their initial posts BUT that read died off their second bout so ya. I possess the belief that the reasons to vote Lovebird are LAZY and that she has presented genuine emotion I do not expect from her as scum!

ALSO the schadd wagon had basiclly the same composition as lovebird and schadd is obvtown so ya

RightKnight (aka MATHBLADE and NANCY DREW) and Tatl and Tael are also important slots to dicuss!

seems at odds with your readslist putting messiah as second highest scum equity

[Tatl and Tael]

no1 scumreads you based off you being 'good as scum', no one has said that, and you saying that to try to get people not to wagon feels like you're trying to hit a note that you think I would empathize with.
If you're referring to my charisma comment, that's really not the same as you being good at scum it was referring to you being jovial and friendly as opposed to trying to hunt scum.

[Tatl and Tael]

i mean like i don't think even his original set of reads and shit felt at all scumhunty but your mileage may vary, and my scumread on their slot really isn't based on their activity.

[Tatl and Tael]

You not noticing that SIMYK is voting you doesn't feel real and it feels like some sort of planned interaction regardless of SIMYK's alignment

[Tatl and Tael]

like why even make a fucking list of whose voting you, if it matters to you why not say 'oh I have three votes' why are you specifically showing everyone in the game that you haven't noticed that SIMYK is voting you?

[Tatl and Tael]

Is it still just 3 votes strong? Love, TnT and Schadd right?

Like let's say its believable that you responded to a post and missed the adjacent post which i'm... skeptical of, but okay let's pretend.
who goes 'oh is it just 3 votes strong' and takes the time to list all of the people when they're not saying it with an agenda. unless you c/ped the votecount, it's not done, why specify it?
so i'm definitely getting the vibe that you did this deliberately because you wanted to make a show of not noticing SIMYK's vote on you. and I can think of 0 town motivation for it.

[Tatl and Tael]

ibthink anime "saske is gay" karaoke moght b toen

i'm so, so, so not vibing this read, like at all

[Tatl and Tael]

like if i were to lynch on reads alone i'd want to lynch simyk but i also don't want to lynch them for reasons lol

[Tatl and Tael]

ftr a lot of that is like i feel like you've interacted with MC like partners??

i'm also kinda interested in lynching gamma emerald but idk

[Tatl and Tael]

ok simyk im gonna do proper meta on you and get a better read on you but only because i'm a nice person
schadd im sry but i have no interest in voting you in spite of you seductive bending over

[Tatl and Tael]

simyk i took it for granted that u have no ability to play scum and just went with it I don't obsessively meta you to stay on top of your game like i do certain people aka titus

[Tatl and Tael]

like u obvwolfed in the one game you were wolf with me in and i caught you instantly so i'm not exactly scared of you and you do generally feel more likely to be scum than tonw but i might be missing somethign ???

[Tatl and Tael]

Less comparisons to direct meta and more... I don't feel like anything you have said has made me vibe you town

[Tatl and Tael]

Oh hey Gamma.

I'm swung back to a townread on RightKnight now after all those posts by Checkmate, jeez.

SIMYK's recent posting is hard to get a read from, since after breaking character I'm getting "not that happy" more than any alignment cues. I'm not sure if that's actually the case or if it's just contrast. However if she thinks schadd is town, I'll sheep her on that.

I'm still happy with our Messiah vote I think.

I want to know who schadd's secret scumread is~


-Key

[Tatl and Tael]

So, I'm not actually townreading Maria all that hard. I think it's very easy for her to get me to go 'meh I will deal with her later so I don't put all that much faith in my read on her. I think that I can in fact read her and I think that eventually, should we both live a long time, I will get to a point where I can say her alignment with any degree of confidence.

That point isn't now and if you're saying that point is now for you what you're probably just saying is that 1) you can't read her and 2) you're arrogant enough to think you can.

as the poster child for being pushed on for fucking stupid reasons I'm hard vetoing any maria push for similarly stupid reasons and i've both 1) seen absolutely no substance to aforementioned maria push and 2) noted that all the people who i have any faith in whose ability to read her have her as null so I think that the people scumreading her are playing badly and need to stop.

maria will always 'seem' scummy if she gets pushed early game and that says nothing about her alignment. there's no specific need to sort her d1. stop trying to because you can't.

[Tatl and Tael]

aside from that: the sheer lack of support for the MC wagon strongly convinces me that both 1) they're scum and 2) scum are avoiding the wagon.

[Tatl and Tael]

Neither are scum dunn

please vote MC

[Tatl and Tael]

frankly scumreading schadd is kind of dumb

I think rightknight is just scum based off of how hard they're trying to defend obvscum MC

[Tatl and Tael]

Can I have a serious request

Me and Rightknight clearly don't work with each other so

can we lynch MC on my read and

if it flips scum policy lynch them for hard defending the slot
if it flips town policy lynch us for hard townreading the slot

we play towards town wincon by lynching people who are +likely to be scum based on their actions and we don't force me to forever deal with mathbalde trying to shut down any wagons I lead

[Tatl and Tael]

Like I'm sorry but the way righktnight is playing the game I have to make this at least somewhat ugly to play towards my town wincondition so either I need to start shutting both of their heads the fuck up in thread or we need to PL them to keep the game sane.

[Tatl and Tael]

Like I'm sorry if Mathblade claims to be a reformed player then let's judge them like one: if they're hard pushing a counterwagon to a town lynch then let's lynch them for doing so.
There's no reason we should say 'oh its mathblade thats why they're perpetually trying to lynch town' while simultaneously letting them get away with pushing reads because they've improved.

My investment in this point is pretty heavily staggered and I want to invest the minimum effort possible to ensure a lynch that's not awful (ie lovebird or maria so far) but like
the way that mathblade plays the game makes it very difficult for me to simultaneously fulfill all of 1) playing to my win con 2) creating a pleasant experience and 3) not investing hours and hours into the game

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like we can just go with the nuclear option and tell ari he has to step in but this is absolutely ruining this game for me.

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nah lovebird's town ad you'd have to be pretty damn dense not to see it given the comparisons that i've made to both her games before.

[Tatl and Tael]

that said I'm pretty sure you're not this dense, pretty sure you just hard defended RK because they were either proscum or your buddy and now you're hard pushing lovebird to keep MC alive.

[Tatl and Tael]

see that's how I feel about you except that you have a long history of making your town games unwinnable even with strong surrouding town teams so don't talk to me, yeah?

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people are being fucking stupid jumping onto a lynchbait wagon like lemmings and in order to play to my wincondition here I either have to

1) invest an immense amount of the time explaining to people who are acting dumb why their knee jerk scumread of lovebird for being different is not scum indicative
2) start ramping up the level of aggression I'm willing to put out to make a good lynch happen
3) replace out of the game, take rightknight with me, and then I'm free to go to the listmods about how this shit is still happening.

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Dunn vote lovebird with the cool kids

rc stop it please no one cares about how you feel about math

or about anything really

lol there he goes again

>antagonize me
>try to take the high ground of omg look what RC is doing!!!

no you are either scum or a manipulative prat who has decided to use your manipulation abilities to gamethrow for your faction so...

Or.
Let lovebird get lynched
and go from there. Just because you see someone as obv town doesn't mean that's objectively true if the other players doesn't see it that way.

nah
I will never let that happen.
you know full well how I feel about my townreads maria.

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like you're saying that I should let bad people mislynch someone that I know is town. I can't take that as something I have to do because it's not playing to my wincon.

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it'll happen if you vote there and stop voting lovebird

Pedit2: What do you consider your wincon

to have the highest percentage chance of winning this game as possible (and I am town and winning this game entails lynching all 3 scum and minimizing mislynches)
the difference that one mislynch gives is staggering and it's not something I'm going to give up to appease someone like Mathblade who demonstrably will take that townflip and continue being a fucking nightmare tomorrow even if town

[Tatl and Tael]

like you were in everhope you know exactly how I'm feeling and why I feel that way right now I don't understand why you can't take my side here if you agree that MC is scummy

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ever what?
Pedit: No use to talk about you right now. You have no good content to talk about. Why don't you make some

IS"s game. the one where mathblade came in, dumbass tunneled you, you flipped town, mathblade continued to try to lose that game for town when I had replaced out including SRing giggles
hey wisdom do you remember when you said the same dumb shit about fucking NSG THE EASIEST READ ON THIS FUCKING SITE and then she flipped town? because I do.
like it's because of shit like that I can't just say yeah wisdom is being too fucking bullshit to be town he has to be scum, I know that you're perfectly capable of being this bad as town.

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Maria if you're not gonna help me I'm just gonna leave this game because it'll no longer be worth it. you can decide what that's worth to me but I'm not going to play against mathblade with my friends being unsupportive.

[Tatl and Tael]

Whatever this isn't fair to anyone when it's got to the point where I feel like I have to do this.

Aristophanes please replace both hydras and please also file a listmod report because I have reported Mathblade for pulling this on me several times and would like this added to the list.

MC is scum bye.

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Or the time you said that about me and UTL when I had solved the game and entirely distracted me from that gamesolve, I remember that.
You're not a good player wisdom and it's really unfortunaet how much your scum game is buoyed up by your ability to shittunnel even obvobvtown and have no one asks questions about it
But this isn't really about you or me so.

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why?

I have zero reason to want to stay in this game.

I don't want to deal with this for several day phases. I can't fight proscum wisdom and mathblade for the rest of the game.

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I can't take a break from the thread bedcause you fucks rae going to mislynch lovebird if I do.

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MariaR: we can't get messiah through
both wagons 4/4 with maria's vote on lovebird
??

[Tatl and Tael]

Whatever I'll stay if we can get this lynch soon so I can just hurry up and get nightkileld and not have to deal with this shit anymore

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maria why are you being awful

you agree that this is policy lynchable if/when MC flips town?

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"votes scum"
"why are you being awful"

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gamma, rightknight, dunn: come vote lovebird, your votes are not doing any good where they are

why didnt you ask me to vote lovebird.

I'm begging you to vote MC

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who care about who gave the better request man I believe in what I'm pushing you saw that last time i believed in what I pushed it was wh4t and he flipped scum
i also believe that lovebird is a horrible lynch today, like given my rl status I would not step in to prevent virtually any lynches this game but that's one I can't let stand

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like my shortlist of people i would stop getting lynched is literally just maria and lovebird
and both of them are simultaneously getting pushed on rn when i come back to thread

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Hes been awful in every game ive played with him
Stats are just numbers i dont care about

we played 2 games before

1) i had super good reads and then u fucking derptunneled obvtown titus to the point I thought you were cop softing a guilty
2) i had solved the game and then you and 1 other townie hard hard derptunneled me and I got distracted and thought you were scum

u'll notice that the common denominator here is you derptunneling town in games with me

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MariaR is claiming third party angel on me I think

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Like I'm sorry but the way righktnight is playing the game I have to make this at least somewhat ugly to play towards my town wincondition so either I need to start shutting both of their heads the fuck up in thread or we need to PL them to keep the game sane.

Meh I don’t like this bullying
It isn’t pinging me either way, I just dislike it

I don't like it either! I don't want to have to play like this! It does not make me feel good about myself or enjoy the game! But Math forces me to play like this or accept a loss.

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If I'm wrong here keychain is fully in charge of voting for the hydra

[Tatl and Tael]

Ily all -Tael

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Stop lynching my mason partner

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Rightknight/wisdom are tomorrow and day after lynches

Rightknight isn't this bad

[Tatl and Tael]

Go away scum

[Tatl and Tael]

@simyk we will happily wagon RK as well

[Tatl and Tael]

In fact fuck it

VOTE: RK

They force outed masons and claimed role related reasons to scumread conftown they cannot get away with that.

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MC is probably scum as well but RK can't get away with saving scum wincon to this extent

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Vote MC or die RK

[Tatl and Tael]

Ok.

Lynch RK since they won't bus.

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Claim masons with MC I fucking dare you RK

[Tatl and Tael]

'role related reasons' Stop softing bullshit to keep MC alive.

Like I say that but at this point IDGAF you are dead right after MC this is unforgivable.

[Tatl and Tael]

How much do you want to bet MC flips strongman

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But we're not lynching MC now, we are lynching you.

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Alright everyone listen up

So Mathblade is a shit scum player

But for some reason it is fucking impossible to Lynch him when he's scum because no matter what bullshit he employs he just doesn't get votes on him because people take Mathblade playing like the scum MVP to be just the way things are

Now in terms of math town being scum MVP? True. But he's readable and he's scum this game and I hate myself for being guilted into unvotong when every single thing he does is straight scum him.

Read LTW. I literally knew Mathblade was scum but I still couldn't Lynch him because people act like dumbass fucking lemmings when he's involved. I am 100% sure the Hydra is scum for the way they've pushed lovebird and NDs general interactions with me and keychain and they have to die today because short of mechanical Poe for some reason despite him being obvscum you all will never vote him.