VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Reasonably Rational]

Eh, is there any reason why we can't solve it for her?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Nancy, I'm pretty sure they're all different. If we can't help you with it, ask the internet yo, even though Varsoon might try to make you feel bad for cheating.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Is there anything anyone wanted to know from me?
I am still kinda mia but I can answer questions for a bit.

~B

Can you order your pool by 1) scumminess, and 2)preferred lynch for today? I feel like those two things are not the same order from what you've been saying.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

A50 is kinda outed and claimed scum with the whole hammering a TR for the fun of it to cover for Baku.

Gamma is just kinda just giving up by pushing me and claire and his reaction to me faking a guilty was pretty awful as well.

Baku got outed with the really sketchy hood timing.

Venmar is just tied to GE.

Micc played pretty scummy and did a really dodgy replace out.

I dunno. I feel like I am playing a different game from everyone else.

The bolded are shit reasoning.

If A50 is actually town(which is entirely possible) the B&M thing doesn't exist either.

I feel like you're living in a universe where things just line up. It's entirely possible that the A50/B&M thing is accurate, but far from guaranteed.

TBH though, I'm really just waiting for the Chara puzzle thing to finish happening.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Yes, I understand the reasoning.

Hell, it's even arguably in A50's scum meta to do just that, the fearless claim of a scummy thing.

Can someone just like dayvig one of them and then I can stop thinking about it?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

A50's disappearance is also kinda weak evidence too.

Disappearing for 53 hours isn't really in character for him, especially immediately after regaining his ability to vote and such. Hmph.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

A50's disappearance is also kinda weak evidence too.

Disappearing for 53 hours isn't really in character for him, especially immediately after regaining his ability to vote and such. Hmph.

-Cerb

Bee am I dreaming?

?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Cerb: This is for your eyes only..

Spoiler:

I've said all I want to say and I'm voting whom I want to vote and I have nothing much to contribute beyond that.
I have received a "friendly reminder" to "keep things in shape" from our beloved mod, and I have also received an

official warning

from a list mod regarding the same issue. Guess who reported that post

and is using the fact that I'm practicing self-constraint against me

Suffice it to say I'm not going to get myself banned over a game, so I'm going to keep skimming the thread regularly but I'm not going to talk much at all, and if that's sufficient grounds to lynch then I'm all for it.

Understood.

I withdraw the assertion that A50's absence from this game may be in any way related to his alignment.

<3

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

We chose A50 because me and Maki were divided on the read.
It was an invention we received (prolly due to our claim), we didn't use it before the day reset so we only have 1 result.
We used it sometime last irl night.

?

Gamma saw you go nowhere right?

...

Kinda confused by this whole thing.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Misread, last IRL night.

Hmm. Okay, so invention gained N1, through an M:tG ability. Thus the ability persisted through plane/route changes. Cops are...not exactly Varsoon normal, which makes it difficult to just accept that. Sorta more inclined to think you're just sure he's scum/you're scum with him and are willing to lie to make sure the lynch happens/make sure you get the town cred for the lynch.

I mean, basically 100% scum lynch unless A50 has an unclaimed NU of some sort, or your ability was somehow interfered with, or it wasn't an actual cop and you're misinterpreting the result, so it's *probably* a fine choice either way.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

* * * Back to the puzzle from hell, I guess * * *

Some tips, you can brute force it if you have to. Write out every single combination and stop when you hit a word. You can also use a word descrambler online.

We don't know what type of puzzle it is, and for some reason Nancy keeps ignoring us when we're offering her help.

...

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

i'm giving up on it if it's not done in 24 hours. i don't feel right stalling everybody, even if i think it's worth it.

I think the correct response here is to just lynch Nancy.

*shrug*

She's doing literally the most anti-town thing one could do, in the most anti-town way(being extremely uncommunicative and not answering basic questions that will *help* her figure this out.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

if i can manage to get a Best Friends PT with every living player in the game, i can reveal IC

and then do something in addition to that. as you can see it means i'm relying on the activity of the entire playerlist to do so, so it's pretty difficult. i thought the reward was worth it but i hate seeing the game stalling like this so i'm just going to come clean about the significance, so those who don't understand can see why it was important.

[Reasonably Rational]

What is this I read about a guilty on me?

I mean, you read it.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

We have a guilty on A50 I am not dealing with that.

~B

We chose A50 because me and Maki were divided on the read.
It was an invention we received (prolly due to our claim), we didn't use it before the day reset so we only have 1 result.
We used it sometime last irl night.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Misread, last IRL night.

Hmm. Okay, so invention gained N1, through an M:tG ability. Thus the ability persisted through plane/route changes. Cops are...not exactly Varsoon normal, which makes it difficult to just accept that. Sorta more inclined to think you're just sure he's scum/you're scum with him and are willing to lie to make sure the lynch happens/make sure you get the town cred for the lynch.

I mean, basically 100% scum lynch unless A50 has an unclaimed NU of some sort, or your ability was somehow interfered with, or it wasn't an actual cop and you're misinterpreting the result, so it's *probably* a fine choice either way.

-Cerb

My thoughts on it.

[Reasonably Rational]

OH.. OK.. GL then. Don't get too disappointed I didn't fight it back when you see my flip though.

I have no idea how to respond to this.



-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Long I've fantasized about entering, and changing my scenery...
No... Changing my LIFE!

VOTECOUNT 2.07

Almost50 (2):

Maid Cafe, Dunnstral, Bronya Zaychik

Venmar (2):

Purple, Almost50

Gamma Emerald (1):

Venmar

Maid Cafe (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (8):

Chara, baku and munna, Creature, Nancy Drew 39, Heart, Skybird, Iconeum, Reasonably Rational

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2018-04-08 19:20:00)

The current playthrough is on the PACIFIST ROUTE.
Snarky Snowman no longer counts as a living player.
They may still post, but they may not vote, be voted for, act, or be targeted.

Check this out! This was the last posted VC. Notice anything funny?

Nothing that hasn't already been explained, namely that Bronya is voteless on the pacifist route. Taly and Alisae have separate votes, thus Purple and Heart...eh. Yeah.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

That's not how it works.
Baku and Munna, Venmar, and Snarkysnowman have been prodded.

I mean.

It could have been how it works.

We just needed to make the posts before you made your placeholder.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Can you vote A50?

Can you stop pushing people to vote A50 and ignoring the fact that ending the day before Chara gets all his PT's going literally deprives us of an IC, which we can't expect to have another shot at because of the bullshit of the game changing all the time?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't particularly care enough about ICing Chara I think we lose more by stalling out the day for another 6 irl days.

Especially given a few people completing a puzzle literally just outs them as scum if this is a fake claim so I don't think it ever is?


Like

Literally 100% of the time these are true.
A50 = Scum
Baku = Scum
Gamma = Scum

Venmar is probably just the last scum in this team.

So, what do we lose exactly?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

It'll create even more apathy then what we currently have which is the way I think we lose this game.

So, there's a problem there, in that you say that you literally know who three of the scum slots are, and somehow think *that* doesn't create apathy...as well as somehow thinking that if you're right, the scum team is down to like one member...so, even apathetic town has a lot of leeway to find a final scum in a small pool..but somehow confirming that someone is town, and thus reducing the pool even more, isn't worth it.

Basically, if you're right, we're in a strong enough position that gaining that extra apathy is *well* worth it(though I'd argue people should just stop being so shitty about the game and just fucking play instead of not saying anything and killing the game), and if you're wrong, then gaining the IC is DEFINITELY worth it.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(My last post was VERY poorly written, but I think you should all get the point. )

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't need mod confirmation that Chara is an IC for me to believe that they're town

Stupid response, you're better than that, stop being bad.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, can we talk about whether it's more likely that Nancy is just really bad, or if she's scum deliberately trying to sabotage things after Chara created 2 PT's with scummates so they didn't want to allow them to create a PT network?

-Cerb

pedit:@PH I KNOW BUT YOU'RE ENCOURAGING THE STUPID PEOPLE.

[Reasonably Rational]

why not just make Gamma do it instead?
He is in a worse position.

IMO Chara made a mistake and picked nancy because they thought she'd actually want to play the game she agreed to replace into, and from what they've told me they can't issue a new puzzle until the current one is solved.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

B&M, do you think A50 is scum?

If A50 is scum, and cast that artifact, what do you think happened at the end of the day?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

it would be if there were not a guilty on Almost. i'd actually prefer to lynch Nancy because then i could still complete this overnight, but i'm not going to go so far as to dictate lynches over a guilty just to do this.

Why would you want to do that? Because I’m having trouble completing the puzzle?

So, why was I helping you then; if you plan to stab me in the back anyway?

Is RR turning on me too?

Nancy, it's not about me turning on you.

It's just you *don't* check in often enough to actually answer any questions that are being asked, and are thus making it take forever to get answers out of you or know the status of what you're working on.

There's basically no way to tell the difference between you having trouble with the puzzle and being busy with RL, and you deliberately dragging this out because you're scum and at least one of your scummates has already completed their own puzzle, so you don't want to finish it.

Basically, the game is essentially completely stalled because we're waiting for you to finish this, and after you, there are a couple other people that need to complete theirs as well. If not for the delay caused by this, we'd have just lynched B&M or A50 by now, and be off to the next day.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, jigsaw puzzles are gross and more a test of patience than anything else. Not even sure they deserve to be called puzzles.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

RR

, I don't quite know what questions toward Skybird/Iconeum you're pointing me to?

I think

Sky

and

Icon

are most likely town, partially because my scumreads currently consist of 4 people already, and I haven't found anything notable or odd about their posting. I still think

Sky

outing the hood was a towny thing, and I can't say

Icon's

play is scum? I still don't understand the suspicion that was on him? He doesn't read as fake to me?

You mean like a mod punisment or something? I’m not too familiar with this site.

No, no. Guilties are basically when a cop investigates someone to check their alignment.

Guilties entail that that person is not town.

~~~

Since there is a guilty on

Almost50

, I can't contest that. I feel like nothing else is really happening today, and this has been the most pulling bit of information to push for a lynch or wagon. :/ Plus not many people batted an eyelash to my push on

Venmar

.

Though, I want to wait and see if puzzles can be done from now and until I post tomorrow. So:
UNVOTE:

~ Taly

Okay thanks. I see on MU, they’d refer to that as a “red x” or a “red check”; I think.

Yeah, I’m not really sure what to do atm.

So, there's just one thing we need to know, now that we know it's a jigsaw puzzle and there's probably no way anyone else can help you: Do you think you have the time and/or ability to complete the puzzle you've been given in the next 24 hours, taking into account your RL obligations blah blah?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Like does anyone disagree with my reasons or think Baku could be toen?

I think there's a nonzero but small chance that B&M is town and simply unlucky. There's also a nonzero chance that one of the individuals they made a PT with is scum, and triggered that ability with the plan to use the PT creation against B&M.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Like does anyone disagree with my reasons or think Baku could be toen?

I think there's a nonzero but small chance that B&M is town and simply unlucky. There's also a nonzero chance that one of the individuals they made a PT with is scum, and triggered that ability with the plan to use the PT creation against B&M.

-Cerb

What’s PT and do you know why Chara wanted to lynch me?

At the end of yesterday, Baku and Munna used an ability to create PT's with myself, Maid Cafe, and Venmar. They claim the action to create the PT was submitted approximately 45 minutes before the day ended, and 18 minutes before the last post was made in the thread(which may have been when the thread was locked, we're not sure/nobody has confirmed that to me), and the PT's began to be created 3 minutes before that last post was made, so 15 minutes after they submitted the actions.

It is suspicious that they created three PT's immediately before someone took an action to cast a spell(which cost three mana) that forced a mislynch by piling extra votes on someone.

Given the timing of their ability and the spell, there are only really three options for what happened at the end of the day.

1) B&M are simply incredibly unlucky, and submitted their action just minutes before scum happened to utilize an ability to end the day.
2) B&M are scum, and were creating those PT's in advance of the end of the day because they knew it was coming. They either gained three mana from those PT's and used it to cast the spell, or they had some other use for the mana, or they just wanted to make the PT's because they thought it would be useful to have them in place.
3) One of the people who they hooded are scum, and thus knew about the PT being created, and triggered the end of the day once they realized they could use that ability to potentially frame B&M.

A distant 4th option is that whoever cast the artifact had set it to be cast at a specific time, and the trigger just happened to be tripped after they cast their spell. Basically the same as 1, but not quite as unlucky since there's a wider window where actions could have been submitted.


To complicate all that, after MC starting talking about B&M being certainly scum because of those timings, A50 showed up and claimed responsibility for casting the suspicious artifact. So, now we're in a situation where if B&M is scum due to the hood creation timing, A50 is scum who is covering for them.

Regarding why Chara wanted to lynch you: They can submit their puzzles at any time, and their ability to IC triggers if every living player has completed a puzzle and gained a hood with them as a result. If you can't complete the puzzle, and thus the IC can't be submitted, and your slot is suspicious anyways, lynching you would allow him to submit the puzzle to someone else. At least, that's my understanding. They should probably confirm with Varsoon that if the person who has a puzzle dies....they can submit a new one to someone else.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Is it bad that I am a shitty player and town read Nancy for this?

+

It's way more genuine then Micc's play.

Yeah, pretty much.

Like, especially given the jigsaw puzzle thing. It just kinda sucks. :-/

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Like does anyone disagree with my reasons or think Baku could be toen?

I think there's a nonzero but small chance that B&M is town and simply unlucky. There's also a nonzero chance that one of the individuals they made a PT with is scum, and triggered that ability with the plan to use the PT creation against B&M.

-Cerb

What’s PT and do you know why Chara wanted to lynch me?

At the end of yesterday, Baku and Munna used an ability to create PT's with myself, Maid Cafe, and Venmar. They claim the action to create the PT was submitted approximately 45 minutes before the day ended, and 18 minutes before the last post was made in the thread(which may have been when the thread was locked, we're not sure/nobody has confirmed that to me), and the PT's began to be created 3 minutes before that last post was made, so 15 minutes after they submitted the actions.

It is suspicious that they created three PT's immediately before someone took an action to cast a spell(which cost three mana) that forced a mislynch by piling extra votes on someone.

Given the timing of their ability and the spell, there are only really three options for what happened at the end of the day.

1) B&M are simply incredibly unlucky, and submitted their action just minutes before scum happened to utilize an ability to end the day.
2) B&M are scum, and were creating those PT's in advance of the end of the day because they knew it was coming. They either gained three mana from those PT's and used it to cast the spell, or they had some other use for the mana, or they just wanted to make the PT's because they thought it would be useful to have them in place.
3) One of the people who they hooded are scum, and thus knew about the PT being created, and triggered the end of the day once they realized they could use that ability to potentially frame B&M.

A distant 4th option is that whoever cast the artifact had set it to be cast at a specific time, and the trigger just happened to be tripped after they cast their spell. Basically the same as 1, but not quite as unlucky since there's a wider window where actions could have been submitted.


To complicate all that, after MC starting talking about B&M being certainly scum because of those timings, A50 showed up and claimed responsibility for casting the suspicious artifact. So, now we're in a situation where if B&M is scum due to the hood creation timing, A50 is scum who is covering for them.

Regarding why Chara wanted to lynch you: They can submit their puzzles at any time, and their ability to IC triggers if every living player has completed a puzzle and gained a hood with them as a result. If you can't complete the puzzle, and thus the IC can't be submitted, and your slot is suspicious anyways, lynching you would allow him to submit the puzzle to someone else. At least, that's my understanding. They should probably confirm with Varsoon that if the person who has a puzzle dies....they can submit a new one to someone else.

-Cerb

What is PT and IC? It’s obv. not Power Town or Innocent Child.

But that would really suck. I get the puzzle from hell and have to get whacked; in order for someone else to solve it? I signed up to play Mafia afterall, not do jigsaw puzzles.

PT is a private topic. It's a neighborhood.

IC IS Innocent Child. Which is why I'm being so insistent on us just not ending the day, since by doing so we're basically denying ourselves a confirmed town.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

You.
Are.
Not.
Dieing.

We considered lynching you because we thought you could be maliciously stalling

but that is like
Definitely
Not the case
So we can wait.

So yeah. Chillax yo. I'm really sorry this is wasting so much of your time. Honestly, and sincerely, if you don't think you can do it/don't have the time to do it, don't friggin do it.

The important thing is telling us that you can't do it, so we don't sit here waiting around for you to complete something you're not going to finish.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(Also, I have a suspicion that the puzzles are getting harder as we get closer to completion. Mine wasn't terribly difficult, we were just being dumb, but it also wasn't OMG THIS IS THE EASIEST THING EVER, as others seemed to have been).

So, it's entirely possible that after yours...the next one will be even less likely to get finished, particularly since Chara saved the people who are least active/appear least invested(except you Gamma, idk why they left you for close to last. ) for last.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

if the puzzle is too hard, it's too hard.
and i'm not lynching you over a cop guilty on Almost. (a cop guilty which says he's mafia.)
if you genuinely can't do it, that's different from stalling on purpose.

it's fine, it doesn't really matter any more if that's the case.

pedit: Varsoon gave no indication to me that the puzzles would get harder, but it's possible. it may just be the type. Almost solved the one i gave him in maybe four minutes.

Yeah. We could have probably solved ours a lot faster had it been made clear to us that we could guess more than once. I didn't want to even bother attempting an answer until I removed my head from my ass and asked, and then we just spewed things at Varsoon until we got it.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The frustrating thing, is that I actually got close to completing it; then it disappeared, and when I again tried to load it; all my work was gone and I would now have to start from scratch.

So, I’m really sorry. I tried my best. Sorry to let everyone down.

I’ve been at it for hours.

If you ever do anything like this again, take screenshots as you go along! ^^

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

You know what never happened? the M:tG massclaim

Yep, because it was a bad idea. Particularly given that nobody spoke up about being able to give others mana, which means at least one of my spells was uncastable with just the resources we had on that day, so I expect us to return to MTG.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chara, are you around? Do you have a chain of individuals set up with Varsoon, or just the next one? Down to the last couple, just want to make sure it goes smoothly.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

You know what never happened? the M:tG massclaim

Yep, because it was a bad idea. Particularly given that nobody spoke up about being able to give others mana, which means at least one of my spells was uncastable with just the resources we had on that day, so I expect us to return to MTG.

-Cerb

Have you considered it being a red hearing?

I mean tbf, my viewpoting on MtG massclaim is at this point, I don't needed since its moreso to confirm town motivated actions and what not but we can wait till we lynch Gamma Baku and A50 before that point

I have considered that, but I have other knowledge that indicates further time in M:tG is likely, from multiple other slots. Unless Varsoon spread the red herrings around to multiple people....we're almost certainly coming back.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Then Icon, and done?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, what happens when the everyone has solved the puzzle, and Chara is not declared IC?

that would mean i'm scum, and you lynch me. :>

Indeed.

So.

Creature?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

tldr is needed
~Maki

What would you like a TL;DR on, and why isn't your other head providing it?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

4 hours to creature prod. Dunn, would you mind actively checking for the new puzzle until it arrives and you solve it?

Same to Iconeum, after Dunn finishes his?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Almost solving.

Thank you. If you're not able to get it done soon, please let everyone know.

<3

Thanks Dunnstral, just want this to happen quickly enough that if some crazy shit happens as a result of the whole thing, we have time to react.

I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P of some sort that'll just leave the game when they complete this, or they're just town...basically no chance they're scum though, so, worth doing, but the chance of the first scenario makes me want to be sure we're not rushing afterwards. ^^
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Got a puzzle

Sweet! Almost there!

Let us know when you send it in/if you have any problems that may delay completion!

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

I'm wondering the same thing about Chara, why nobody is opposing the completion of the puzzles.

Too suspicious perhaps? Clearly displayed agreement that these puzzles should be completed by anyone before the day ends should make it clear to scum that they can't really do anything about it without outing themselves?

The other alternative is scum Chara, but I can't think of any benefit this could give a scum team that's worth outing one of their members(particularly one that's widely townread).

-Verizon

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm amazed that my name auto corrected to frigging Verizon.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Your response posts actually make no sense to me, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Do you agree that nobody is fighting against it, or disagreeing with that?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, you think every member of the scum team(even prior to the guilty!) preferred to distance themselves from A50 by removing associatives, both positive and negative?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, if we assume A50 is scum, is there a universe where he claims that shit to "protect" town B&M? To 1) get town cred for protecting B&M if they end up lynched, and 2) tie B&M to them to get a mislynch if A50 ends up lynched himself?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

They otherwise get lynched so I am not sure why the 2nd point holds.

~B

So, the second point isn't the REASON to take that line, the first point is...it is, however, an ancillary benefit that could come about if the primary benefit, getting A50 townread, fails. I agree that it was likely something they could have already gained, but it's easy(for me, at least) to imagine that A50 expected B&M to be lynched, so the end result of the gambit would be a town read on A50 in spite of the scummy action he'd claimed.

I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P

why did you decide they could be a 3P?

~B

Please don't do the thing where you take part of a post I made out of context. If you must highlight a single portion, I would appreciate if you quote the whole thing, and bold the part you want me to specifically address.

The rest of that post should make the answer to your question clear. I can't imagine any benefit to scum that would outweigh the loss of their slot, therefore they're not scum. That means the only options are for them to be town, and actually IC, or 3p, who will leave the game when they complete their goal.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(Also, I sorta misused ancillary. Tertiary would have been a better word. )

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Nancy: That's the most common neutral goal, but there are lots of possible third party goals, both anti and pro town.

Really, anything you equip a slot to do that doesn't require either the town or scum goals to be completed, could be a possibility.

-Cerb

@Gamma: Yeah, that was a question I had planned to ask, but the day ended abruptly and fucked me. To be fair though, Varsoon *has* been trying out third party roles that are pro-town/not lynch on sight, like the Crystal Gems in SU2, and both of the "scum" factions in Protomen.

[Reasonably Rational]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

So.

Is it too difficult to be resolved? Will you be able to solve it within the next few hours? Or what?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

So.

Is it too difficult to be resolved? Will you be able to solve it within the next few hours? Or what?

-Cerb

I'm thinking I'll try to have it done before tomorrow morning

Otherwise I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be able to ask for help as long as I'm describing it in my own words

Hmm. Little concerned about the timing if you won't be finished for another 15 hours. :/

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

worth noting that if Dunnstral completes the puzzle before the day ends, Iconeum has all night to do the last one.

That was not something you should have reminded everyone about. :-/

I'm quite opposed to us accepting the puzzle being completed during the night.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't understand why the most active people, when talking about a lynch they're sure is going to happen, in a game that can't have a no lynch, feel the need to push the obvious lynch earlier than necessary when there's a reason to wait.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

well if you want me to complete it over night phase, stall until deadline then hammer giving me 48 hours to work starting Monday...

I rarely have sufficient time during weekends.

Perhaps you could make sufficient time?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't understand why the most active people, when talking about a lynch they're sure is going to happen, in a game that can't have a no lynch, feel the need to push the obvious lynch earlier than necessary when there's a reason to wait.

-Cerb

i don't know.
i get the concept of it being anti-town for games to stall, but we're stalling on a scum lynch. let's relax. do things with our lives for a little while as we wait for some other players to have some puzzle fun? :>

I can do that. Well, except for the part where I'm super invested in making sure this happens.

Did alignments change from the MTG bit? I was reading A50 pretty hard as town in that.

The game isn't defined as bastard, so alignments almost certainly didn't change. There is a grey area where someones alignment can change if their initial role card *told them* that their alignment would change, I believe.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

My current expectation is that the game will cycle between M:tG planes, with modifications to those mechanics, and other games, with different roles etc.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Dunnstral, it's long past tomorrow morning now.

Update please.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Seeing how the last few puzzle solvers took DAYS to complete it, how do you guys figure I get it done with just 2 days left on the clock, and the previous puzzle being unsolved?

Once you get your puzzle, describe it to the rest of us if it's something that can be helped with. I'll try to help

Right, about this:

It only took *one* person days to solve their puzzle.

There are 15 people alive. Chara had to send his puzzle to 13 others(because Snarky counts as dad right now)

12 have completed it, with 2 days left. That means the turnaround for each puzzle was ~1 day. Therefore you should be able to handle this before the deadline.

FYI, I will do everything in my power to ignore the guilty and lynch you if you ignore it.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

FYI, I will do everything in my power to ignore the guilty and lynch you if you ignore it.

I don't think this is how this works >.>

This is how it HAS to work if you don't want scum to sit around and just choose to not finish this because of how much time has already been wasted.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Anyone expressing anything other than COMPLETE support for lynching anyone who is delaying this is actively working AGAINST the best interests of the town, period. There is ABSOLUTELY no protown motivation for making scum think they could get away with not completing this. None at all. I don't care if you don't actually support it, but vocally saying you don't is REALLY FUCKING STUPID.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Nancy, could you please describe your playstyle for me?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Nancy, could you please describe your playstyle for me?

-Cerb

Not exactly sure what you mean?

Mainly what sort of criteria do you use to judge peoples alignment by? Are you someone who sees a bunch of stuff and cases people? Do you just rely off gut? That sort of thing.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

OIC. I think a combo of reason, logic and gutreads. I try to form townblocks over scumhunting; since I tend to be better at that - at least early in the game. As the game progresses my scum gutreads get stronger as do the facts surrounding them.

Not sure, if I explained it well. I could link you to some games on MU, I guess.

I basically focus on anything that doesn’t add up, fakeness, contradictions in players’ posting.

Okay.

So, can you elaborate on the non-gut aspects of your currently expressed reads?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Skybird, I'd like your thoughts on what it means if Iconeum doesn't complete his puzzle before the end of the day.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

"This game is for Cerberus v666"

Honestly.

Our M:tG role was 100% designed with the way Drixx and I play in mind.

Like, there's even a part of the role that mimics a particular gambit that Drixx is fond of making.

I'm going to think on this.

Those of you who were aware of that post game conversation where Varsoon was talking about the cycling setups, please look into it and/or link me that thread, so i can take a look at it too.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!
I created Undertale Mafia to bring people together and celebrate a game that I love, but, ultimately, to have fun time on site.
Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Playing to win does not preclude being considerate of each other! Be cool.

^

That is in every Varsoon game, every time, without being a standard mafia type thing.

Something related to that is possible. Back to looking at other possibilities before I start throwing out guesses.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Original advertisement:(which, btw, says that there are no moderator lies that "can't be reasonably anticipated".

...

Fucking Varsoon.

WHAT IS 'MAGIC THE GATHERING'?

Spoiler:

Traveling throughout the Multiverse are Planeswalkers–powerful mages with the rare ability to leave the world of their birth. The adventures, plots, and machinations of these Planeswalkers forever alter the fates of those they encounter. The monsters and civilizations of the Multiverse also have their own histories and legends. Each plane is rich in mystery and intrigue, strife and war, all with epic stories just waiting for your discovery.

Magic the Gathering is a trading card game published by Wizards of the Coast. It's probably safe to say that Magic the Gathering is THE trading card game, as it was the first and still stands as one of the most popular. Players take on the identity of powerful magicians capable of traversing realities. The cards you play with represent a suite of spells and creatures that you can call forth from other worlds. Ever complex and evolving, Magic the Gathering is just as much of a challenging game of strategy and deckbuilding as it is a cultural phenomenon.

The goal of this Mafia game is to produce the same sense of power and strategy that Magic affords its players. I've designed the setup to capture the feeling of playing Magic, visiting new planes that present the players with new flavor as well as new cards to add to their collection, all while doing battle with other equally powerful planeswalkers. I've developed a very non-normal role madness setup that should give every player a good deal of agency with not just the sort of role they receive, but also how they plot victory over their peers.

WHAT IS A 'VARSOON GAME'? WHAT SORT OF GAME SHOULD I EXPECT HERE?

Spoiler:

Magic the Gathering Mafia is a 17 player theme game with a non-normal setup that functions somewhat similar to a U-Pick in that players will be choosing 'color identities' and I will be building roles around those identities, then assigning alignments after roles have been generated. Days will be 2 weeks, nights will last 48 hours. You should expect this setup to be as varied and complex as setups that I have run in the past. I've specifically designed the unique mechanics to make each day/night phase drastically different from the last in terms of what rules are in play and what options are available to players in terms of role-related power. At it's heart, this is still a game of Mafia, but players should expect a somewhat chaotic gamestate with ever-shifting power dynamics and public mechanics. As a very important note, this game is NOT a bastard setup--this game DOES NOT feature any cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated, secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game. That said, this game DOES feature incredibly heavy shifts in role mechanics and public game mechanics that are much more notable than any other game run on-site.

As a moderator with a deep passion for rhetoric, expect a game with mechanics that will always supplement the rhetoric of the game rather than the usual sort of roles that are supplemented by rhetoric. My games are typical Role Madness games--I like to give every player some sort of unique 'something' to play with in tandem with the actual game. I try to include very engaging public mechanics in order to retain player interest, which can be a difficult thing to do in the Large games that I like to run. Do not expect any 'vanilla' roles here.

'Varsoon Games' are typically characterized by heavy flavor, high quality moderation, and unpredictable yet satisfying mechanics. I am very cognizant of my moderator meta and I constantly keep even seasoned fans on their toes. I have achieved a Master's Degree in writing Fiction; I enjoy writing involved flavor that reflects the sensibilities of players and the game state while not revealing anything that would give a mechanical advantage. I also take Mafia very seriously; I spend over 8 hours a day with access to the site, always with a tab open, refreshing my games, re-reading them, and so on--even when I worked full time and went to college, I accomplished this endeavor. For me, Mafia is a labor of love and a full-time job. I want to deliver the quality experience that I came to love on this site. My games, hopefully, represent that.

As far as moderation goes, I see online Mafia moderation the same way I do moderating a face-to-face game with my friends. I am here to ensure all of my friends and guests have a fun time playing a game we all enjoy. That said, Mafia does get intense. Mafia is psychological. Mafia can feature very aggressive rhetoric. We lynch people here. I love those aspects of the game, and I want them to be in a game, although they will always run risk of ruining the experience for some players. I am far less draconic in my moderation than other moderators. I will always err on the side of the player. That said, I have no patience for players who do break the rules. Do not play my game if you are habitually in trouble with moderators and other players. I'll do everything I can to keep you in-game and having a fun time, but if you cross the line and it's clear you intentionally broke a rule, I will have no mercy in my judgment.

I do not enforce Blacklists, Wisdom of the Crowds, Wisdom of the One, or any similar requests to prohibit players from playing. The only players not welcome in my games are banned players. Do not ask me to prohibit a player from joining for personal reasons; I will never do so unless they currently have a ban or restriction. Everyone is welcome at my table. If you have a personal problem with a player, come to a happy agreement with them before creating drama in my signup thread or in my game. If you absolutely can't play with someone else, do not sign up for a game of mine if they are in the player list. If you do, I will allow you in, but don't think I'm going to shunt the other player because of your personal issues. I want everyone to get together and have fun here. I fully support even bitter rivals playing at the same table and learning to overcome their own differences in order to have fun with something we all enjoy.

WHERE/HOW DO I SIGN UP? (CURRENT PRE-INS: 11/11):

Spoiler:

This is a 17 player game that will be run as a large theme game, which means that my setup will need to go through the moderator queue before signups can begin. Once they do, I will link the signup thread here! I am allowed up to 11 Pre-ins, so if you'd like a PM when the game signups begin, let me know and I can send that to you.

Pre-ins:
1. Iconeum
2. OnTheMark
3. Yume
4. Chara
5. Randomidget
6. Beeboy
7. Creature
8. Titus
9. Almost50
10. Cerberus v666
11. Snarkysnowman

PUBLIC MECHANICS APPEARING IN MAGIC THE GATHERING MAFIA:

"UNTAP, UPKEEP, DRAW"

Spoiler:

When you sign up for this game, please submit three choices for what you desire your 'color identity' to be.
You may choose either a single color or any combination of two colors for your color identity choices.
For those unfamiliar, the colors are:
White: Color of order, law, healing, righteousness, community, absolutism, and light.
Black: Color of power, corruption, ambition, and amorality.
Blue: Color of reason, intellect, dreams, illusion, creativity, trickery, and manipulation.
Red: Color of freedom, passion, emotion, chaos, impulse, and fury.
Green: Color of life, instinct, nature, evolution, ecology, and interdependence.

Based on the color indentites each player submits, I will create a unique 'Planeswalker' rolecard that corresponds to their color choice.
In addition to your 'Planeswalker' rolecard, you will 'draw' three 'spell' cards that fall within your color identity at the start of the game.
At the start of each Day phase, you will 'draw' another new spell card that will be added to your current unused cards, also referred to as your 'hand'.
These spell cards will represent abilities that you may use, but only if you meet certain requirements.
Each spell will have a unique 'type' modifier, such as 'sorcery', 'instant', 'creature', etc--these are simply keywords that help differentiate how a spell functions.
The entire functionality of a spell card will be reflected in its text; keywords will be described on the spell card itself rather than in public rules.
Unless noted otherwise, once a spell card has been used, it may not be used again for the rest of the game.

"TAP TO ADD MANA TO YOUR MANA POOL"

Spoiler:

Each player will be able to generate 'mana' via various private means.
Mana is a resource that can be spent to cast your spell cards.
Mana has a color identity as well--Spell Cards will specify which color of mana they require to be cast.
Your mana accumulates between Day and Night cycles but will never carry over between more than one cycle (You can not use 'banked' mana from Day 1 on Day 2, but could use it on Night 1).

"PLANECHASE"

Spoiler:

When the game begins, all players assume the role of 'Planeswalkers' on the plane of Dominaria.
However, at the start of each new day, all players will begin in a new plane.
Each plane represents a different world or universe in the multiverse, and will come with its own set of unique rules specific to that plane.
These unique planar rules will often influence player's mana growth, mana use, and spell card effects.
While some of these changes are incredibly drastic and border on what may be considered 'bastard' by some, this is not a bastard game.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chaos Mafia
Armageddon Mafia
Nostalgia Mafia
Poll Mafia

-Cerb

pedit:@Skybird, I asked you a legit question.

[Reasonably Rational]

Sampler Mafia
Beta Mafia
Alpha Mafia
Test Mafia
Color Identity Mafia
Identity Mafia

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I got a riddle, not a puzzle.
Unlimited answers, i can ask for help.

Real name for this game?

Not mtg
Not undertale
Not 'does not have a real name'

He got the puzzle approximately 8 hours before he bothered telling anyone he received it, per Chara. He was also able to send in multiple responses back and forth to Varsoon, again, before bothering to actually speak in the thread.

What does that tell you?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Pandering mafia
Exploration mafia


Read through that thread, I don't think there's anything useful in it unfortunately. :-/

-Cerb

pedit: Considering he was bitching about having a short period of time, and complaining about when he would receive the puzzle, and just generally doing basically EVERYTHING he could to make everyone feel like it would be okay if he didn't complete the puzzle, I find ANY delay in 1) informing everyone that he received a puzzle, and 2)sharing what it was, and 3) LOOKING OUT FOR THE PUZZLE HE KNEW SHOULD BE COMING ON THE DAY BEFORE THE WEEKEND...to be pretty fucking suspicous.

peditx2: Had I known the stakes, I would have immediately asked for help. I also suggested that Chara come out with the whole thing earlier in the day so people would hurry up and we could just get it over with, but I was a little concerned that doing so earlier, rather than later, might end up detrimental.

In addition...had I done all the shit Icon did to, again, make it pretty clear to everyone that I didn't expect to be able to handle it myself IN ADVANCE of receiving the puzzle..I would have immediately asked for help. Hell, I would have got all the questions about getting help pre-emptively sent out to Varsoon, so that wy whne he sent me the puzzle he could also answer all my questions.

And yes, sure, people don't live on the board, but check this: He gave out those possibilities at like 3 a.m. in the US. Varsoon lives in the US. Perhaps he was online at that time and it just so happens that Icon woke up and Varsoon was up late and he had a quick back and forth, but I find that REALLY unlikely.

[Reasonably Rational]

These names are kinda meh btw

who fucking cares? Just throw out a bunch of random names, even if they're terrible. Don't make people feel self conscious about the guesses they're coming up with for something that is literally a complete shot in the dark.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

"Cerberus bullies alisae the mafia game"

<3

ILU. Sorry. I just keep seeing people who I expect to say protown things saying things that I find to just be anti-town. :-/

Love mafia
Joy mafia
Sharing mafia
Planechase Mafia

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Of all of the planes in the Multiverse, Dominaria is said to be the most important. It isn't just the abundance of mana or the plane's tumultuous history that carries allure for the planeswalkers that end up there--it is also the single plane that holds all others in place, serving as a lynchpin for reality as we know it. If this Nexus of the Multiverse were to be meet its end, untold catastrophe would be wrought, bringing about what would surely be the destruction of all planes. In the past, the mere existence of the god-like planeswalkers and their cataclysmic spells caused such strain to Dominaria that it was almost torn asunder. Only through giving up their infinite power were the planeswalkers able to mend the rifts that they had torn into Dominaria. Since then, new planeswalkers have arisen, and while not nearly as powerful as their predecessors, they have found themselves upon Dominaria once more, battling for control of the plane. This is their story.

Controlling the plane of Dominaria meant controlling mana itself--many banded together to try to thwart those who would bring devastation to the plane, but alliances were as quick to shatter as they were to form. The volatility of magic turned trust into a fickle thing and it was not long until many were marching what they thought to be a righteous crusade against Chandra Nalaar. Even Chandra's prodigious control of flame could not save her. In a last attempt to change fate, she pointed to the horizon, trying to warn of an unseen foe, but she was run through with a magical blade. The champion that had struck her down looked confused, his own sword having been shaped into a much more potent artifact at the last moment. He staggered backwards, following Chandra's last gesture towards the horizon, only to fail to catch his breath as the sky filled with Eldritch monstrosities. The Eldrazi had, somehow, broken free of their prisons and they were here.

As Chandra's corpse fell limp, the once-sealed rifts on Dominaria opened again. Those who knew of the calamity before them were only certain of one thing--this plane, and reality as they knew it, were coming to an end.

Flooding forth like a tidal wave of writhing flesh, the Eldrazi brood cascaded over the plains and hills, scouring all life in their wake. The Planeswalkers, whom had previously been so consumed in their interpersonal strife, found themselves back-to-back, relying on each other merely to survive. The onslaught seemed unending as meaty tendrils and chitinous spikes flirted through armor and flesh as if there were no difference between the two. Eventually, a lone Planeswalker, calling upon the strength of Dominaria herself, seeking energy from every heartbeat that desired refuge, called forth vindication from the will of millions under siege. A mighty star rose into the sky, pulsing with purifying light, engulfing the horde and the Planeswalker's armies alike. The miniature Sun then shrunk back in on itself, collapsing into a void that took away the armies and the Eldrazi, stripped the land of its enchantments and magical splendor, and left naught in its wake but the Planeswalkers themselves.

All Creatures, Artifacts, and Enchantments have been removed from the game. There are currently no Spell cards in play.

Before anyone could start to make sense of what happened, the next calamity split the sky. Where the great work of magic had been spun, a rift in the plane was torn. Reality itself was coming undone, and this most recent attempt to save everyone may have been the very act that doomed them. The sheer weight and gravity of the spell that had been cast was too much for the already weakened fabric of space itself. The Planeswalkers tried to find who had cast this spell and wrought this fate, only to discover the corpse of Dovin Baan. While all of the other Planeswalkers had floundered in their valor or vigilance, Dovin Baan had responded, all while skewed by a long Eldrazi talon. Pulling the sharp implement from the deceased Planeswalker's heart, the solemn few could do nothing but grieve for this hero and the end of reality. The rift grew larger by the second, engulfing the sky, the seas, and even the ground the survivors stood on. One by one, landmarks faded into the distance. Like ash taking to the breeze, the Planeswalkers themselves were struck from sight. Even their memories waned to dust. Eventually, everything had become nothing.

When they opened their eyes, they found themselves in a frigid, cavernous place. Old structures surrounded them, but it all felt familiar. Of course it was. Why would the cold even be surprising? It had always been cold in Snowden. The monsters went about their lives, decorating the tree and giddily gossiping about what presents might be there once they wake up. After all, the denizens of the Underground had lived down here for centuries. Ever since the war with the Humans, monsters had to eek out what they could underground. It's not all bad, though--sure, the ruins are full of perilous puzzles and Snowdin's cold was harsh and the swamps weren't great, but there was a place for everyone to call 'Home' in the Underground. Everything seemed fine. I mean, Everything would be fine if that human hadn't come by recently. Since they came, folks have been disappearing.

disappearing? someone disappeared? oh, yeah, i vaguely remember that. huh, you've already figured this all out, haven't you? i suspected something like this. you're always acting like you know what's going to happen.

You think you are above consequences.

More resources gathered together in one place.

Multiverse Mafia

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Dominaria Mafia
Nexus Mafia
Catastrophe Mafia
Cataclysm Mafia
The End Mafia
Planeswalker Mafia
Mana Mafia
Volatile Mafia
Eldritch Mafia
Eldrazi Mafia
Brood Mafia
Onslaught Mafia
Sun Mafia
Hero Mafia
Heroic Mafia
Landmark Mafia
Consequence Mafia
Snowdin Mafia
Human Mafia
Underground Mafia
Home Mafia
Varsoon Mafia(yes, I know there was already a Varsoon Mafia)
Modfather Mafia

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

What happened next was pretty unexpected. The detestable scum that had very likely done Alphys in? Well--
I OFFERED THEM A CHANCE AT SALVATION, NYEH HEH HEH!!! TO BE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE AFRAID... BUT THEY'RE ALREADY BECOMING GREAT PEOPLE! I'M SO PROUD I COULD CRY!!!
Yeah. So, I guess that happened. Anyway, folks were still a little on guard. I mean, it's not like murdering scum just become people's friends because they SAY they're gonna. Time would have to tell. In the meantime, though,
folks enjoyed a fine slice of peace. And a burger or two.

The Day Phase has been reset.
Any and all actions that had taken place since the start of the Day and any which were affecting players have been redacted.
The game's route is now PACIFIST.

Does this confirm anything?

Ty, I missed this one. So, in terms of flavor stuff we have mysterious threat over a horizon, Eldrazi, *someone* castin ga spell that wiped out all the creatures(which may or may not have actually been a spell that was used by a slot in this game), then some weird quotes that I don't know how to interpret. :-/

-Cerb

pedit: Yes. Obviously. You should all be taking it this seriously. We've fucking stalled the game out for like 8 RL days JUST TO GET THIS LAST THING SOLVED. So yeah. Should probably actually try.

[Reasonably Rational]

Modfather Mafia

-Cerb

btw um Cerby I think I have some bad news for you.

Mmm?

What is the bad news?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Cerby its 3am I can maybe actually help you out when I am thinking about things and I don't feel like spending 5 hours trying to guess the name of a game when I have a question related to this that I need to ask Varsoon.

Plus
"Alisae Trolls Cerby at 3am The Mafia Game"
<3

4 a.m. for me.



I"m gonna see Aladdin the Musical tomorrow! I should be sleeping!

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Modfather Mafia

-Cerb

btw um Cerby I think I have some bad news for you.

Mmm?

What is the bad news?

-Cerb

the bad news is I'm most likely the new modfather

Why would that be bad news? And how is that relevant to my guesses!?!?

-cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I recommend you listen to the Aladdin the Musical version of Friend Like Me before you go to sleep.
Then I'll release you.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Infuriating Mafia
Nearly Bastard Mafia
Changing Mafia
Ephemeral Mafia
Transitive Mafia
Temporary Mafia
Cyclic Mafia
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

For you, Alisae.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I'll go sleep now, but I'd like to remind you all that in the space of like 30 minutes I just put out about 20x as many attempts as Iconeum did in 8 hours.

-Cerb

pedit:B&M, you need to listen through to the end. Considering I'm listening to it now, unless you'd listened to it previously, you haven't possibly reached the part that inspired my recommendation.

[Reasonably Rational]

OK that surprised me xD

Right?? I was listening to it in the car, and had to rewind like 30 seconds to figure out wtf happened to bring us to that point.

Surprising Mafia

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Icon, don't type them in. Use the quote function. ^^

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Skybird: we received a riddle, but it was a REAL riddle, unlike this one.

I'd also recommend anyone trying not worry about duplicating someone else's response. Read all the suggestions for inspiration, but don't discard something because you *think* it was already guessed.

Now, about the idea that Varsoon didn't expect this to be completed: I'd argue that him giving it to Nancy in spite of her not completing it is evidence that's not the cass, though that could have simply been him recognizing how unhappy the situation was making her?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Iconeum.

Below is EVERY GUESS MADE UP TO THIS POINT

(plus a couple of food related things I added in)

JUST QUOTE THIS AND REMOVE MY WORDS AT THIS PART.

-Cerb

This game is for Cerberus v666
"The most townsided game V ever created.
V's best game yet"
"I want to do all these set-ups but don't have time"
Chaos Mafia
Armageddon Mafia
Nostalgia Mafia
Poll Mafia
Sampler Mafia
Beta Mafia
Alpha Mafia
Test Mafia
Color Identity Mafia
Identity Mafia
Mashup Mafia
Pandering mafia
Exploration mafiaReality travelling extraordinary mafia "
Plane chase mafia could be it
Cerberus bullies alisae the mafia gameCerberus bullies alisae the mafia game
Love mafia
Joy mafia
Sharing mafia
Planechase Mafia
Cerberus loves Alisae the Mafia Game
MULTIVERSE MAFIA
Dominaria Mafia
Nexus Mafia
Catastrophe Mafia
Cataclysm Mafia
The End Mafia
Planeswalker Mafia
Mana Mafia
Volatile Mafia
Eldritch Mafia
Eldrazi Mafia
Brood Mafia
Onslaught Mafia
Sun Mafia
Hero Mafia
Heroic Mafia
Landmark Mafia
Consequence Mafia
Snowdin Mafia
Human Mafia
Underground Mafia
Home Mafia
Varsoon Mafia(yes, I know there was already a Varsoon Mafia)
Modfather Mafia
Alisae Trolls Cerby at 3am The Mafia Game
]Infuriating Mafia
Nearly Bastard Mafia
Changing Mafia
Ephemeral Mafia
Transitive Mafia
Temporary Mafia
Cyclic Mafia
Surprising Mafia
April Fools Mafia
Illusion Mafia
Dimensional Mafia
Shifting Mafia
New Worlds Mafia / Different Worlds Mafia / Multi Worlds Mafia / Vibrant Worlds Mafia
Insanity Mafia
Puzzle Mafia
Game of Cards Mafia / Deck of Cards Mafia
Trickster Mafia
Fighter Mafia / Heroes Plight Mafia
Action Mafia
Universal Mafia
Riddled Mafia / Riddles of Mafia
Color Spectrum Mafia / Colored Magic Mafia
Uncertainty Mafia
Flipside Mafia
Route Alteration Mafia / Altered Route Mafia
Schools of Magic Mafia
Multi-Planes Mafia
New Day Mafia / New Life Mafia / New Reality Mafia
Collided Battles Mafia
Mystery Mafia
Investigation Mafia
Finder Mafia
Allegiance Mafia
Powers of Mafia / Powered Lives Mafia
Screw Everyone Mafia
Treachery Mafia
Arms of War Mafia / Magical Warfront Mafia / Relics of Existence
Monstrous Mafia
Transformation Mafia
Relics Mafia
Existential Crisis Mafia / Ever-existing Mafia
Paradox Mafia
Best Friends mafia
Sparkbearers Mafia
Varsoon Mafia 2?
Soup mafia
Jambalaya Mafia
Stew Mafia
hors d'oeuvre mafia
starter mafia
appetizer mafia

V: ...and not even a single one related to pizza?
Shame.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Gamma: Don't be like that. For the first time in my career in the game of Mafia I'm enjoying being totally useless in a game.

<3

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Yeah, that's why I tried all those apocalyptic things for the name of the game.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

And yeah, in my iso is basically all the available information from varsoon related to this game, EXCEPT the sign up thread.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So, I just read through all the flavor he posted with every VC, and checked all the images for YouTube song links. Found Gideon jurassic theme, undertale, and enemy approach from undertale. Along with a bunch of entertaining but useless quotes.

:/

I REALLY like the fiction/end of a story idea. I'm busy, but I recommend someone look into different ways of describing stories and use them all as guesses.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Game name - Magic the Gathering Mafia (Game title will change once the game begins to reflect flavor changes)

fucking lol

I mean....why would we check the mod queue?

Some of you mods shoula noticed it though.

Weird that he didn't TELL US about that in advance since it was publicly available for us to discover....:/

Yes, the end being generic is the point. We need a generic name. Something broad.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Nancy: I know you completed it, and I'm didn't mean to say you didn't. I expressed myself poorly out of laziness. I'm saying you failed to deliver proof of completion, and it was up to Varsoon whether he wanted to simply trust you or demand further proof. If he didn't intend for charas role to actually complete the goal of having pts with everyone, he could have stopped it right there by simply telling you he had to see the puzzle. It's possible that he SHOULD have done that, but chose not to because of how poorly your experience in this game was going as a result.

That's what I was saying. Nothing about you, everything about the decision the moderator made.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Can we get the flip tonight?

No. 12 hours or whatever isn't long to wait, and could be the difference between icon succeeding or failing.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

VOTE: Almost50
because I want to make sure we can get the lynch through once the last puzzle is solved.

Unvote please.
This game can't have a no lynch. It's impossible. Whoever has rhe most votes will be lynched. Absolutely no reason to rush.

Also, I feel like I'm being an asshole about this. :/
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Misread, last IRL night.

Hmm. Okay, so invention gained N1, through an M:tG ability. Thus the ability persisted through plane/route changes.

Cops are...not exactly Varsoon normal, which makes it difficult to just accept that. Sorta more inclined to think you're just sure he's scum/you're scum with him and are willing to lie to make sure the lynch happens/make sure you get the town cred for the lynch.

I mean, basically 100% scum lynch unless A50 has an unclaimed NU of some sort, or your ability was somehow interfered with, or it wasn't an actual cop and you're misinterpreting the result, so it's *probably* a fine choice either way.

-Cerb

Feels good to be right again.

MC, why fake the guilty, and thus kill all constructive conversation that could come from today?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

and even if he didn't just end the day i wouldn't know how to read Almost off of it anyway. so thanks for that too. for those not in the know

i hate fake guilties and i always have. stop doing it.

i don't even know if it makes Maid Cafe scum, it just means i have no idea what they are.

Seconded.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

There was still valuable information to be gained from the wagoning process, along with any defenses that may have shown up, which they killed for essentially no reason.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The pure waiting for puzzles happened LONG after the claimed guilty, btw. There was conversation going on about B&M versus A50 and Gamma and Venmar.

It all stopped with the guilty claim.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Even though it seems most of you don't care about figuring out the riddle icon has, I'm going to remind you all that Sky bird has a PT with Icon, Chara has a PT with everyone else, so even in the night we can make suggestions that Chara can pass on to skybird to pass on to icon. So let's not just stop trying bease the day ends without resolution.

@PH:I still see numerous scenarios where MC is scum, and I never STOPPED seeing those scenarios. So, lynching them was always going to come up for me at least if their list didn't lead us to at least 2 scum lunches immediately.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

A50, why haven't you don't anything to actually gsmesolve since people pressured you? If you know you're going to be lynched and are town, you can still win...so why haven't you been trying to?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Are we done here?
Cerby are you going to continue to suggest that Bee is a wolf even though I am probably the best player on the playerlist to read them?
Please say yes, it makes my life easier :3

We are not done here, and I'm not going to stop suggesting they're scum. Bee is exploiting their own meta here, as evidenced by them stating that they only fake innocents, not guilties. They're self aware enough to make that statement to someone like me, who they could expect to follow up on it(though I didn't cuz lazy+my other head is the one who I'd get to do something like that normally), and knew we wouldn't find anything contradicting it. That tells me that the fact of faking the guilty is certainly NOT something which should ever be used as evidence in favor of them being town. Your other two points are, basically, worthless to me, partially because of that meta awareness displayed by beeboy, and the fact that they likely know what you expect from town them.

And that's all assuming I have you as definitely town, which, for the record, I don't actually have ANYONE as.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate you doing a little exercise for me.

Pretend A50 gets lynched with the game state the way it was when MC faked the guilty. Assume they flip town. How do things look for the MC slot? Assume they flip scum. Again, how do things look for the MC slot?

Now, pretend they get lynched and flip town/scum, and MC did not tell Chara that they faked the guilty prior to the flip.

Now, finally, pretend that they get lynched in the current game state, flip town or scum, and so on.

Got it?

Now, list those 6 scenarios in order of "least likely to get MC eventually lynched" to "most likely to get MC eventually lynched"

Then post that here, with some reasoning for the results/orders.

I'm very interested in seeing your perspective on those game states, and where MC falls into them.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The first scenario, to be clear, is BEFORE the fake guilty happened. So comparing game stare if A50 flips efore fake guilty, after fake guilty but before claiming it, and after claiming it, as either alignment.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I actually don't think I can remember a time where I just trusted someone else's judgment in a game, at least, privately. I've certainly expressed the sentiment of sheeping reads etc, but never actually agreed without coming to my own independent conclusion.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Meh
I need to leave
Taly will do the excise

Understood. Have fun doing your thing!

Also, Aladdin was INCREDIBLE. :p

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

OKAY
THIS IS A FAIRLY EASY GAME
VOTE: TITAN

Here is why we go Titan.
Operation Maelstrom sounds great but
A. Wolves may not be able to even use their mechs in the first place and
B. Who fucking cares the game is solved.

And Parliament is just a newbtrap that might have been useful if we didn't have the game solved and thats information we needed, but we don't need that information.

Shutting down nightchat is far more effective then basicly everything on this list and helps move our domination foward, ESPECIALLY if we just start quicklynching things.
Wolves will have less time to cordinate and gather their actions, wolves will have less time to talk, overall its more effective if the game is solved at this point.

No. 1) a quicklynch is never happening in a game I'm in. 2) without a quicklynch, scum can coordinate easily enough. 3) confirming scum pools is MUCH better than anything else here, unless scum mechs would allow extra kills.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Yeah, no, parliament is still best. Titan is *closer*, but you know what our objective is? Catching scum. Know what Titan doesn't do? Help us catch scum. At all.

*shrug* like, what if the pt is 4 people nobody suspected?? That's literally invaluable.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Who the fuck cares if we "establish dominance"? Wtf is that even?

One objective, play to the win con, parliament give us information , take the friggin information.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@PH: I don't want us to lynch through the pt, until after all other scumspects are dealt with(unless, of course, one of those existing scumspects ends up in the pt, then I would be torn between them and B&M for our first lynch.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, let's be clear about the Iconeum situation: He had a PT with skybird yesterday. He told Skybird that he had successfully answered the riddle, with the answer "Varsoons Variety Hour". Skybird told Chara, who told me, about this development.

So.

Few options.

Icon is lying scum.
Chara is lying scum.
Scum blocked Chara so his pt wouldn't be created since it became a night action, thereby preventing the IC thing from happening or him getting his PT.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, chara could also be lying 3P. :p

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Iconeum, literally every one else in this game(except Snarky, cuz he was deaded) has a PT with Chara now, which they received once they solved the puzzle.

Why would solving the puzzle notnot give you a PT with him? I'm not even concerned about the IC, because the IC was contingent on a PT with you that was itself contngent upon you sloving the puzzle like you claimed.

So, what exactly do YOU think happened, if you were still able to solve rhe puzzle, and Varsoon told you that you had successfully solved it?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I did solve the riddle, only it was already night. I gave a fair warning that I'd not have time during the weekend (I never do) to actually solve it. No PT with Chara.

The mod received

every single answer

posted here when I had the actual time, and it was indeed Varsoon Variety Hour (guessed by no other then Chara).

I was/am in fact opposed to 'simply' solving all those puzzles and riddles. I always had a feeling that there would be no IC declared today, as I mentioned multiple times in the Skybird PT. I also said there that I'd want to be lynching Chara today, but it might not actually be the best move because obv third party.

Chara has been lying all game long here. Is anyone actually surprised that might have happened again?
If you think Chara is third party, how can it be declared IC?

----

I'm fine with either Titan or Parliament.
Titan is a safer and valueble option, while Parliament is a high risk-high reward strategy depending on who is picked for the PT.

So, for the record, town slots with additional independent win conditions are not unheard of. I believe someone received 3 wins once in a game or something, simply because their role had it's own little mini-game attached to it, and they didn't get removed from the game when they achieved their goals.

So, it's entirely possible.

Regarding TvP: What about parliament represents a risk to you? Literally the only risk is in if people somehow go insane and decide to ONLY lynch through that pool BEFORE lynching based on actual good reasoning. So long as that pool only becomes viable for lynching after we've exhausted more likely scumspects, it's no risk, high reward.

@Varsoon: For Parliament: How long will the PT remain open? Will individuals be able to post in it post-death? Is it available both day and night?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh.

@Varsoon: Will the composition of the Parliament be affected by anything which would change investigate results? For example, if a role existed for the town which stated they were considered a member of the scum faction for all purposes other than win condition, would that slot be able to be placed into that PT and occupy the "scum" slot? In short, is it possible for the PT to be composed of 4 slots aligned with the town, or would that be considered mod lying as far as you're concerned?

@Titus: Discuss through Chara, if you're not too unsure of them. I'm fairly certain a scum!Chara scenario is super unlikely, but I can definitely imagine them, so I understand your doubt.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Chara: Parliament vote plz. Hell, everyone else too! <3

VOTE: Parliament

[Reasonably Rational]

So, where the hell is everyone??

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

To me, the game has one objective, and only one of those options DIRECTLY helps with that objective.

So, parliament!

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

To me, the game has one objective, and only one of those options DIRECTLY helps with that objective.

So, parliament!

-Cerb

The other option could net us conftown if players confirm as piloting.

Titus, your moonlogic is showing.

:p if Chara had ic'd yesterday, I would agree, have everyone claim to them, and then use that information to coordinate actions ro determine who didn't have something to pilot, as well as getting all the town to agree to pilot.

Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and we're not going to realistically gain the knowledge necessary to make that valuable.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

For the record, I myself have a method I could use to confirm who is in a suit or not, but it requires more information about what abilities people have in suits than I possess. Which is why I said I'd support that plan, IF we had someone everyone was willing to full claim to, so I could claim the mechanics of what I could do to them, and they could get everyone elses info and let me know if it would work. :-/

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Gundam now? So does the theme change every day?

Oh Snarky.

How many of the posts in this game have you read?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm also listening man.

Calling it a fake guilty isn't very helpful though. You haven't even interacted with it at all other than to say that. I've outlined the only scenarios that fit what happened, and you haven't actually responded to any of that either, even though some of those scenarios DO exonerate you.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

To me, the game has one objective, and only one of those options DIRECTLY helps with that objective.

So, parliament!

-Cerb

Elaborate; we need to unify on a decision soon.

<snipped quotes unrelated to Taly's request from me>

~ Taly

Choosing Parliament is about choosing the optimal course for accomplishing our goal.

If we had 3 guilties(legit guilties, given by someone who has since flipped town) I would STILL think it's the best option, because if there happen to be 4 more scum(yes, ridiculous, but you get what I'm saying) there'd be a 25% chance of catching that extra scum that's gone unnoticed.

That's why it's optimal.

At it's root, the ONLY things that determine who wins in mafia are reducing scum KPN, and identifying scum. Titan doesn't do the first, and Parliament does the second, therefore Parliament.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So why aren't we lynching parliament?

Why aren't you?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

1) What do you mean by us saying "we keep doing this"? Alisae and I have made our opinions and thoughts on the gamestate a bit clear. Plus, I was responding to your response on an Alisae post.

I mean you're saying we keep lynching until one scum is left. But if you really believe your reads wouldn't that part of the step be unnecessary? In addition there's the fact that stratagems likely won't last beyond today + tonight.

Varsoon already specified that the loss of night chat would be permanent, while the parliament PT would only last as long as this theme does.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Anyways, I understand your fundamental point, that if they had 100% confidence in their reads, then there would be no reason to STOP quicklynching at one scum. I do, however, see what they stated as simply expressing that the benefit of quicklynches will no longer exist once there are no longer any scum alive.

Do you interpret the statement and the implied uncertainty as indicating that PH is scum, or just town projecting more certainty than they actually possess?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Anyways, I understand your fundamental point, that if they had 100% confidence in their reads, then there would be no reason to STOP quicklynching at one scum. I do, however, see what they stated as simply expressing that the benefit of quicklynches will no longer exist once there are no longer any scum alive.

Do you interpret the statement and the implied uncertainty as indicating that PH is scum, or just town projecting more certainty than they actually possess?

-Cerb

I'd say the latter. If they were scum I feel like they'd proofread their logic

Then what is your intent in bringing that up?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I got lots of reading to do.

omg it's a firebringer.

Hai!

How are you doing man?

FYI, there's a 90% probability you'll be lynched in the next 2 day phases without very compelling evidence to believe you're not scum.

So, good luck! <3

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

PH, where are you personally at with regards to the now FB slot?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

lunch it

Do you think it's possible that slot can hold the same position I was suspicious of MC holding, in my "scum sent in the day ending action upon receiving a PT with B&M to frame them"?

I'm not familiar with Venmar's wiliness.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(Idunno the answer to your question and I don't think I care tbh)
Cerby I can explain this with a mastina wall but no one wants to sit through that so instead I'm going to explain it with one quote and 1 sentence.

i should just lurk like dunn or snowman in my future games to just coast to victory

vote: gamma

going to sheep, also any player that taunts to be lynched deserves to be lynched

besides the fact that line one sounds extremely scummy and not town, the gamma vote, after hard defending gamma so much, reads like bussing.

Also if you're next question is
"What if Gamma is town?"
I am going to respond with lol and nothing else.

Hard defending gamma?

...

Please show me these examples of what you find to be "hard defending gamma"...because I certainly don't recall seeing anything close to that.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Just ISO'd him.

His progression is pretty natural

490<<Suspicious of Gamma
1536<<Suspicious of Gamma
2237<<Reconsiders based on tone of recent posts
2795<<Reasonable explanation for change in read, states a disagreement in interpretation in posts between himself and MC to explain the read(he agrees with MC regarding what gamma's towngame looks like, but thinks the posts prior to 2237 sound like towngamma as described by MC.)
3335<<calls read primarily gut, cites lack of experience, and bows to the wisdom of others on the slot, at least going so far as to cite a lynchlist including gamma as a good place to start
3651<<votes gamma.

Like, between 2795 to 3335 one could argue there was a change, in that his read source went from meta experience to gut, but I don't feel like his explanation for the towngamma belief was thorough enough for me to really view that change as significant. That is, I find it more like that he conflated meta with gut, than that he screwed up as scum.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Fb, there's a mechanic that requires a choice in the first 48 hours of each phase, so you should probably at least read since day start and make a choice there(as well as in the faction PT)

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

OK, I am under siege by Winter Storm Xanto with the possibility of 10-16" of snow in the next 24 hours. Hopefully we won't loose power up here in the Northwoods. But if I disappear, you will know why.

VOTE: Parliment

This does give us info so is the better choice.

Do you still have a role related PT with icon? And/or do you still have access to(that is, posting ability) within the previous PT?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

so, after confirming with varsoon, i will admit that i actually do have a pt. i took the AT THE MOMENT very literally in kiana's question, and i was under the impression that i didn't have access to it anymore since i didnt check it since day start, but it turns out i do.

i have a solo pt with baku, who neighbored me around the time the lynch occured.

Umm Fire?

I have like four neighborhoods

She specified D1 and D2.

@Titus: Next time don't immediately post the thing that contradicts them! <3

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I have like read nothing except my pts (which were all like less than two pages)

And last two pages of this.

I know nothing but this game roles are constantly changing and I went from like survivor to town

O.o

Alignment change?

:-/

FB, please read from the start of this day phase until now, and place a vote. Preferably on Parliament.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

So we're going into tomorrow with 11 alive, and most likely 3 scum. Is there any reason to keep this day going on? The PT membership isnt actionable information until tomorrow. :/

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Pretty sure the only value that can come from today is

1) outing all factional memberships
2) outing all the options
3) outing who voted for what and WHY in each faction.

I don't know if it will be useful, but it could be. I'm waiting to do so myself only to get confirmation from my faction/other head.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

1) outing all factional memberships
2) outing all the options
3) outing who voted for what and WHY in each faction.

What does 1 and 3 even mean? Did I miss something? Faction?

...

Go read the rules for this phase.

To clarify further: Alisae and Taly originally wanted the option that lowered the lynch threshold, with the plan of voting for the thing that prevented scum night chat, and then a series of quick lynches. I disagreed with anything that made it easier for scum to control the lynch and opposed the plan. I also found Broadcast to be likely useless, thus leaving the last one, the faction shutdown, the best option, but without knowledge of who was in which faction it seemed questionable. Thus, broadcast, plus parliament was the option I preferred and if going broadcast made everyone else support my preferred global strategem, I was okay with that.

Firebringer, your faction, membership, nad options? Same with you Dunnstral as soon as you figur eout what that is.

Skybird, was the PT you were talking about your faction, or was that an additional PT? If so, same info about factional stuff.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, if we can advance the current year way forward I can take care of that stardust strategem

The only way I'm aware of to advance the current year is by advancing to the next day phase. Again, per the rules.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, if we can advance the current year way forward I can take care of that stardust strategem

The only way I'm aware of to advance the current year is by advancing to the next day phase. Again, per the rules.

-Cerb

I have abilities that unlock based on the year, and the flavor has been changing every day

Yep, I'm aware.

So my point is whatever ability you have to mess with the strategem wouldn't work, because we won't be in this flavor tomorrow.

Good to know that you're not in a faction.

So, that's 5 of us. 8 people left to claim.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

And what were your other strategems? Why did you choose this one over those ones? Who was in favor of each and why?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chara
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
Creature
SnarkySnowman
Nancy Drew 39

^

Those 5 are all who are left for the other factions. Please speak up.

-Cerb

pedit: Ty FB.

[Reasonably Rational]

JABURO, Earth Federation Mobile Suits are all immune to being destroyed.
MURASAME, Earth Federation players may use Pilot role card abilities even if they are piloting a Mobile Suit.
EVACUATION, Earth Federation players that die will continue to be able to post in the main game thread, but will not count as living players for any other reason.

The reasoning was basically that having both actions would be most useful (iconeum)
Skybird just agreed with that.

Evactuation really seems like the best option among all of them. The most protown, that is.


Icon, more justification?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, another thing: please check what other membership your faction should have had among those who are dead, if any.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chara, me and Maid Cafe are/were in the AEUG.

How do you know Maid Cafe was part of the AEUG? Was it listed in the PT header or something?

Why did you vote for the option you chose? What were the other options presented to you guys?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Titus, Reasonably Rational, Gamma Emerald, & Baku and Munna.

This is useful information

Don't end the day phase yet, is there any way for us to advance the game year? The UC

Out of this list, gamma is the next lynch. I'm curious though, and gonna need to reread who the main supporters of our strategem were. We chose it to get confirmation about our next lynch, and are directly countered by not only a No Lynch but 2 NK's on top of it.

There must have been scum support for the chosen strategem.

Understandable but flawed. Scum may just want more time to avoid a lynch on Baku/Venmar.

Or bus them and hope RR and I reach paranoia point.

Word.

This PT composition is, if Titus is town, the absolute worst case scenario for town cohesion, unless like both gamma and B&M flip scum. Even if just one of them flips scum, still friggin TERRIBLE. :-/

Shiro, who else is Titan?

What were your other options? Why did you go with that one?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I'd also like those who have said Gamma is the obvious lynch for today to elaborate on how they've arrived at that conclusion.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

No one commenting if they like drama...

Why would we like drama? And why would you bother asking such a vague question?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Why is this day still going?

~ Taly

I want to know the entire membership of the titan and earth groups and what their other options are, and why they chose rhe ones that happen to counteract one another...as well as who is in the crossbone vanguard and chose to do nothing.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

In summary:

Zeon: Titus, RR, PH, Gamma
The Republic of Zeon has settled on the Broadcast Propaganda Stratagem: For the remainder of Day 3, any player that is a part of Zeon may have the moderator include a message with each Vote Count.

Spoiler: All options

AXIS MOVES CLOSER TO EARTH: All players require one less vote to lynch for the remainder of the Day Phase.
COLONY DROP: Choose a single faction out of The Earth Federation, AEUG, The Titans, or The Crossbone Vanguard. That Faction's Stratagem is cancelled and their Factional PT is closed.
*CHOSEN* BROADCAST PROPAGANDA: For the remainder of the day, any player that is a part of this Faction may have the moderator include a message with each Vote Count.

Earth Federation: Firebringer, Iconeum, Skybird
The Earth Federation has passed the Murasame Lab Newtype Training Stratagem: During Day 3, Earth Federation players may use Pilot role card abilities even if they are piloting a Mobile Suit.

Spoiler: Other options

JABURO, Earth Federation Mobile Suits are all immune to being destroyed.
MURASAME, Earth Federation players may use Pilot role card abilities even if they are piloting a Mobile Suit.<<<chose this one
EVACUATION, Earth Federation players that die will continue to be able to post in the main game thread, but will not count as living players for any other reason.

Titan: Baku and Munna, Creature, SnarkySnowman
The Titans powered forward with their Fire The Colony Lazer Stratagem, targeting the Anti Earth-Union Group: All members of the AEUG have incurred a [BEAM] vote.

Spoiler: Other options

- Give one faction a [beam] vote;<<chose this one
- Choose a faction to disallow them to access rolecard abilities besides mobile suit;
- I guess this one is make us lynch-immunes for this day and reset the votecount with 7 days deadline.

Crossbone Vanguard:
The Crossbone Vanguard has decided not to enact a Stratagem.

AEUG: Chara, Maid Cafe(deceased), Nancy
The Anti Earth-Union Group has moved forward with their Partnership With Anaheim Stratagem: During Day 3, All members of the AEUG are immune to [BEAM] votes.

OTHER OPTIONS AND REASONING FOR THIS VERSUS OTHER CHOICES NOT SHARED.

No faction: Dunnstral

Dunnstral, feels like you claiming all your shit would be valuable, because right now we're looking at deliberately nonexistent factions, factions which were predetermined and the membership would have consisted of some combination of A50, SD, and OTM, or you lying. ^^

@Varsoon: Can we learn what roles would have been assigned to dead slots during this phase, were they alive to see it?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chara, Nancy: The above is an extremely unsubtle request for the information you haven't yet shared.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Titans: Can you elaborate on the choice to use the beam, as well as why you chose the faction you did to target with it?

I'd appreciate the perspective of all members, individually, about what the *other* members did/said.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Mmm.

Yeah, none of those people show up as having any connection to the Crossbone Vanguard.

Dunnstral has claimed a protagonist with no particular affiliation that I noticed...

So.

Either he's the vanguard by himself.
The vanguard+another group is composed only of scum, and they're lying(but they didn't do anything for the crossbone, so no reason to be lying)
Or he's just not part of the vanguard, and there are no members of that group.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Chara, Nancy: The above is an extremely unsubtle request for the information you haven't yet shared.

-Cerb

???

What haven’t we shared?

Chara came by and shared it after. I wanted to know what all your options were, and why you selected the one you did over the other two.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

? Titus?
Any cause for keeping the day going now?

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@scum:please kill me so I can ask Varsoon how the fuck he put together this parliament PT because it's like...ugh.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

VOTE: End day

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Yeah, we're basically fucked and had scum steal our lynch for the day(that's functionally what happened).

If everyone wanted to dump a play by play of their pt conversations and whate veryone said ni all their PT's, there could be some value in that, but that's the only thing I can see helping out, and the benefits are likely marginal.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Can we get some day ending votes please? ^^

Nancy: To be honest, I'm mostly interested in the Titan peeps, why they chose to apply votes to a specific faction, and why they chose the faction they did.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Don't hammer day end until I can get something worked out

You have multiple PT's you could use to transfer any information you might be working on.

Not sure what you could be working out that can't be figured out in the night, given that hte majority of the people who are actually talking are people you have contact with even with a closed game thread.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Can we not listen to Gamma and end the day quicker please

remember he's like
a wolf
so by giving him time you're allow him to have access and understand more wolf abilities.

I mostly agree with this, but I'll give him a moment because I *just* asked him a question I want an answer to.

UNVOTE:

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

VOTE: End Day

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I've also been playing around with a theme game idea that's a U-Pick where everyone picks a player that's one of my regular players and gets a role based on that player's play in my games. Every day would feature a modified set of rules based on theme games I've run in the past and players could vote for which theme to visit for each next day. I think it'd be a much more feasible and less bastard-feeling version of what I was going for here and I could run it as a 13p.

Can we pick ourselves? If yes, I am down for this as well.

Yes, you'd be able to pick yourselves, but if someone higher-priority on the randomized priority list put you as their first pick, they'd get the role instead.

tbh I just want to see the different roles you'd make for the different us's.

The town!RR. The one who loses in LYLO every time but has at least one instance of genius, or else is carried completely by other people on his team.
The scum!RR. Where we slog through a game essentially alone forever, create a roadmap to victory and carry it out, but lose in LYLO.
The scum!Cerb/Cerbinhydrathatisn'tRR. Where I/we win every time so far, though in one case I/we definitely didn't deserve it(yay SF)
The town!Cerb/Cerbinhydrathatisn'tRR. Where I/we lose every time so far, though I/we come super close to pulling the game out for the town but lose because I'm about 15 minutes too slow in solving the game(F'ing Bloodborne)
The town!Drixx: He's Drixx doing Drixxy things. I think there have been two instances of this, and he lost to scum!me both times. <3 ILU DRIXX.

I think you should like...make those 5 roles! For lulz! Because it would make me happy to see them.

-Cerb