Mini Normal 2035 : Duck Mafia Part 1 : GAME OVER

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VOTE: nonny

this flock of ducks ain't big enough for the both of us.

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OH MY GOD ITS TCHILLY

WHAT UP MAN ITS BEEN FOREV

VOTE: Carcalilly

OwO do I know u

OH MY GOD ITS TCHILLY

WHAT UP MAN ITS BEEN FOREV

Yup, I caught you and Tchill as the scum team once, and then got swooped by Fykus.

I think I was probably on Boonskiies there, though.

Yeah I couldn't pass this game up after seeing the sign ups lol.

Nice to see all of you that I've played with before.

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So there's been like... Zero activity. Come on people. Let's get this pond jumping. No waddlers left behind.

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Cool, VOTE: carcalilly

Yeaaaah, my vote is totally serious, I am ok with this guy dying today.

why is it super serious and why do you feel the need to point that out?

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I think its weird reundo called me out specifically just for wanting more activity. IDK what else there is to talk about. Doesn't mean i can't ask though. Either reading between the lines too much or throwing that out to see if it sticks.

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Actually though, let's play spot the scum-tell UNVOTE: . Who can tell me why Reundo deserves rope right now?

so in a game that is lacking content, you come in here and decide to avoid posting content even though you have caught a scum tell.....

Just tell us if you caught something.

scum tells this early are BOGUS. idc how long someone has played or how many times someone has been coincidentally right.

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GUYS WE HAVE FOUR FRICKIN DAYS AND WERE ON PAGE THREE WHAT THE HECK

ik. this is a joke. I refuse to bog down the thread though and i'll be taking a more linear approach. Most ppl call me hyperactive. I just care enough to be able to "bleed town" when I want to.

Carca is HARD null. I've seen her scum game before, I'm looking for certain things there.

something feels off about tiphainedeath and reundo. I could of course see them both being town but i don't trust them at the moment.

the rest is not worth mentioning imo.

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VOTE: completely trustworthy

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I disagree with your issue regarding activity. You really have no idea why I voted that person?

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i like wilky atm. I can't complain about the pressure applied to carca, i think it's valid.

solid reasons from profii to vote tiphainedeath.

i'm a big fan of dave's town game. not sure if he's town yet though, but he's a big help if he is.

I need flavor to take stances before this day ends.

rest is meh. I'm starting to pick a few duckling from the flock im comfortable with though.

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I voted CT just so we'd have two main wagons. I don't think either grew though...

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VOTE: ptofii

L-2. What you gonna do?

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@tchill, gonna want to know later what your motivation is for voting profii. I think my guess is probably right and it isn't urgent just yet. Won't bother me if you do answer now but it might defeat the purpose.

then don't worry about it. (in a nice way)

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if that post bothers you so be it. I'm not gonna try to explain myself for 5 pages and get nowhere, which is what usually happens.

So do you think either of the 2 main wagons are scum or do you think i am scum?

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what ppl refer to as RVS is my mindset for all of d1. It's the least amount of info we have. So it's good to make players take stances early and be able to look back on said stances rather than trying to lynch purely off of tone or scumminess. At the end of the day the d1 lynch will be the most random lynch we have, so instead of wasting effort I usually just create content to look back on on future days.

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VOTE: tiphainedeath

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Yeah. I seen he had 5 votes on him and I voted him. Thus putting him to L-1.

Is that an issue?

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What info you got?

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I agree one hundred percent. That's a good reaction to my question. I don't 100 percent believe you yet but that makes me feel better.

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Since there’s 2 i wanna see reactions, and we can play off of that.

One of them is scum 100%

Hell I'd even be OK with players claiming that they didn't visit profii one by one, not saying we should start anything until agreed upon but I AM throwing that out there.

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NO

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(Chews popcorn intensely)

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Nope. Make them post. Don't reward players for avoiding the game.

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(Spills popcorn while laughing at comedic scene starring carcallily, sips coke, begins to chew more popcorn)

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Solid. At least one of Tchill, Unah, or Gamma is scum.

But yeah, Carca’s scum.

Negative. Why am I in this group? I need specifics. We're gonna handle this now.

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Not surprised at all this is a gambit.

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So as someone who knows you gambit and will gambit regardless of the scenario, wouldn't it be better for me as town to allow you to proceed? Because no info will be gained if I out my thoughts immediately. You'll gambit regardless of my objection so there's no point in ruining it.

My statement regarding activity should be NAI. It's very well known how much I hate it.

My only concern is you know I'm familiar with your play and you put me up as scum almost asap.

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Solid. At least one of Tchill, Unah, or Gamma is scum.

But yeah, Carca’s scum.

Now explain unah, gamma and carcallily.

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Anyways, ignoring the gambit, wasn't profii the 2nd leading wagon at the time of lynch? That's an odd night kill.

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vote count 1.12

nonny

(1) : Reundo

profii

(2) : TiphaineDeath, Completly Trustworthy

FA_Q2

(0) :

UnaBombaH

(0) :

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(1) : FA_Q2

Gamma Emerald

(0) :

TiphaineDeath

(7) : Gamma Emerald, Carcalilly, profii, wilky, davesaz, Tchill13, Flavor Leaf

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Carcalilly

(0) :

Tchill13

(0) :

wilky

(0) :

not voting:

UnaBombaH, nonny

with 13 duckies alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

day one will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-02 09:00:00)

mod notes:
- nonny v/la until 1st of October
- davesaz v/la until 1st of October
- quack

So personally I thought completely trustworthy came off as scummy. I'd also like to know thoughts about the reundy vote on nonny and the consensus about that.

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Well then it makes sense.

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Why tf was a claimed pr the second leading wagon?

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I think CT should be the lynch. Been getting scumvibes for a bit and now we know he stayed on a town PR.

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I can see boon gambiting here as scum and including one of his scum team members.

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Full disclosure if I was scum with boon I would have said that anyway.

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Great points FA. Does make me feel a bit better about you.

I don't feel like I've got a solid foundation for throwing a vote on someone yet.

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Oh damn I just thought of something.

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So carca...

I'd want that slot in lylo if I was scum. Oddly enough I'm not sure if that's the type of scum we are dealing with here. If carca was actually scum then it's make sense. Been a while since I played with her. I don't like her reaction to boons gambit at all.

BUT, if she's town I feel like scum is already voting her. I'm pretty much making this post so I can go back and see who was voting her at this time.

Thoughts on that?

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That moment I want to act scummy so una will stop bragging about reading me right lol.

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So far flavor handed out town reads to everyone who is used to his play and told people to worry about FA, one of the players pushing boon...

I'm leaning towards scum boon here. But I'm not sold yet.

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Your team name was based on me? That's hysterical lol.

Nothing is off the table with you. I consider you capable of anything and everything. Doesn't matter though because the goal is the same for you as any other towny or any other scum.

So I'm leaning towards lynching carcallily or CT.

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VOTE: completely trustworthy

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Well the CT thing took off lol.

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Well here we are.

Carcallily could easily be scum. That's obvious.

Boon consistently pointing out scum is on the profii wagon when he was the one to hammer, among reasons I already stated, means he's probably scum. "Why would scum do that?" Well boon would do that as scum.

So we can lynch carca now and if she flips scum then boon is probably town. If we lynch boon then we nip this scum gambit in the bud. If he's scum of course. Which I'm leaning more towards that.

CT is town because that's a tough fake claim to get away with.

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If carca hadn't acted so weird I'd be pushing boon full throttle.

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Well here we are.

Carcallily could easily be scum. That's obvious.

Boon consistently pointing out scum is on the profii wagon when he was the one to hammer, among reasons I already stated, means he's probably scum. "Why would scum do that?" Well boon would do that as scum.

So we can lynch carca now and if she flips scum then boon is probably town. If we lynch boon then we nip this scum gambit in the bud. If he's scum of course. Which I'm leaning more towards that.

CT is town because that's a tough fake claim to get away with.

I didn’t hammer Profii, i hammered tip

damn i gotta pay more attention.

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VOTE: FAQ

Back here

VOTE: tiphainedeath

i feel much better about boon/flavor leaf.

Why are you not voting with me if scum voted profii?

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wilky, dave, nonny...

VOTE: wilky

sorry guys there's a lot to deal with atm thats why i switched votes so fast.

lurkers need to play. Why is FA scum? CT's claim is valid to me at first glance but... kinda early to claim doc isn't it?

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Either you’re incredibly stupid or that’s fake af

why you gotta be so ruuuuude?

i've tunneled ppl that were night killed. I've demanded responses from people that were night killed. I pushed a guy on d4 that was lynched on d2 once. I'm proud of all of those moments.

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vote count 1.12

nonny

(1) : Reundo

profii

(2) : TiphaineDeath, Completly Trustworthy

FA_Q2

(0) :

UnaBombaH

(0) :

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(1) : FA_Q2

Gamma Emerald

(0) :

TiphaineDeath

(7) : Gamma Emerald, Carcalilly, profii, wilky, davesaz, Tchill13, Flavor Leaf

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Carcalilly

(0) :

Tchill13

(0) :

wilky

(0) :

not voting:

UnaBombaH, nonny

with 13 duckies alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

day one will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-02 09:00:00)

mod notes:
- nonny v/la until 1st of October
- davesaz v/la until 1st of October
- quack

TiphaineDeath
has been cast our from the pond, never to be seen again.

in his last moments you all realise the grave mistake you have made

he was just another duck.....

TiphaineDeath has been lynched.
he was a

Vanilla Townie

so i just now voted tiphane because he was the guy not named CT on the profii wagon. I did not realize that i just pushed a lynched townie after talking about the fact im so dumb i've done that before...

UNVOTE:

all you can do is laugh at yourself sometimes lol. but seriously i hate lurkers.

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no one will ever speak of this moment.

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i mean if she is vengeful we can just lynch her and let her pick someone to kill.

I don't trust carca.

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VOTE: carcallily

Carca if you're vengeful town, kill reundo.

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This is the obvious place to move. Carca acted too shady earlier, will always be scum read now.

We need to kill one of the lurkers if carca is indeed town.

This takes away 2 potential mislynches for scum if both are town. If carca is scum, which I'm assuming, then that's even better.

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I don't think it should be her choice.

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And before people start saying "we should be trying to lynch scum"

That's what I'm trying to do. With every lynch you should weigh every outcome from an objective perspective. What happens if they're scum? Always good news. What happens if they're town? This is important too. Because not every lynch is scum. So you need to be able to weigh the risk/reward of a lynch if you're not almost certain it'll be a scum flip. The game has stagnated a bit. Towns not working too well together as many players are pushing different directions.

I'm trying to take a more laid back approach to my first game back from a hiatus. I will become super active if need be for the sake of the game though. I'd rather not, because it rubs ppl the wrong way sometimes, but I hate slow games with tons of lurkers. I'll stir the pot if need be.

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How is Reundo widely suspected though

Is he widely town read?

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Actually carcallily shoot wilky instead

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I want everyone to weigh in on who carca should shoot.

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Fa's hesitance to control her shot makes me worry about him.

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Better question. Who thinks we should control carcallilys shot?

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Tchill you're honestly worrying me right now

I don't think I am because I strongly feel that you are scum.

Why no mention of killing wilky? I asked about that too.

Are you OK with town deciding who you should shoot?

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Wilky, popo and Dave should be the options.

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Reundo threw shade at me that whole post then voted someone else lol.

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wilky or dave should be shot.

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Tchill, what do you think of FA? They only have thirteen posts, so they have been mostly lurking this game. How does that affect your opinion of him? You said you liked some of his posts in 306 and didn't understand why people were voting him in 396. You've also stated he worries you in 440. Would you describe your overall read of him as a townread or scumread? If Carca is lynched, would you be okay with him being killed?

well i think he's staying in the middle. he'd be an ok kill but not my pick. If he continues to lurk then sure.

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im about ready to say for sure flavor is scum unless he works with us completely, even then he's probably scum here.

decent chance FA is as well.

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i'd like for us to take our time this day phase for sure though.

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Boon, let me guess something once CT has claimed their action for last night.
For now, I think I have two mutually exclusive scenarios running in my head at the same time, and both of them have AT LEAST ONE of Boon/Chill as scum.
Thoughts on that Boon?

Gosh I gotta do some town hunting tonight. Please don't rush this phase because I need to get in top of things. After that I'll give a detailed explanation of what I believe is happening

I'm not comfortable with saying anyone is town atm.

I didn't realize nonny was still in the game. Boon is probably scum here. I should have known better than to lynch carca (she was so scummy she couldn't have been scum, due to meta and I failed to realize that).

My main concerns are:

Dave (lack of solving but always explaining why he isn't playing)

Una (anyone comfortable playing scum with boon while day chat is allowed is a danger to town and will not be easy to sniff out)

CT (there's something fishy there that stuck out early to me but I can't remember exactly what it was)

FA (if boon was to flip scum this would be my next target regardless of how they're treating each other)

I'm not exactly 100 percent on these. Boon is a better player than for us to get this far and he not know who scum is, or even been on a scum push yet. This is his ultimate downfall as scum. His reads are usually too good as town to be this bad. I'm not just bragging on the guy. There's multiple players on this site I read similarly.

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At what point does my accusation of boon become "chainsawing"?

I think there's a decent chance fa and boon are scum together.

We've had a doc claim and an investigative claim and neither of them died. ONE OF THEM IS SCUM.

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I don't think CT has had one short thought. Does he usually post like this?

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I don't think it should be her choice.

Why?

If she really is town vengeful then why give scum the opening to try and control the shot? What scenario do you think it is better that a revenge shot completely controlled by town should be not be so?

This is what I was looking for when I said we should control carcas shot. I was looking for someone, more than one person but it's fine, to hesitate to do that.

Scum would know that associations post flip from a scum flip would be decent from a suggestion like that. So obviously they wouldn't want to buy into that strategy.

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VOTE: completely trustworthy

That's a terrible reason to claim. You also know as scum that someone would be pointing out the fact you hadn't died yet by now. This has red flags all over it.

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This is what I was looking for when I said we should control carcas shot. I was looking for someone, more than one person but it's fine, to hesitate to do that.

Is this you giving townpoints to FA for saying it?

Scum points.

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Good stuff.

“Blessed Mafia, recommend checking it out if you want to see how scum!Boon+Chill can destroy a mans life.”

Possible new sig quote after this game.

Town didn't play well that game.

Flavor could be town trying to make things more difficult than they are. I need to get to a computer and really take a deep look. Luckily I'm off tomorrow.

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My name is getting thrown around as scum a lot due to association it looks like.

Meanwhile I don't think I've had 2 votes on me.

Town has no idea what's going on, I seriously suggest we proceed with caution. Need to get some strong TR's as a group and move forward.

For those worried about how well some work together as scum (messing with my thoughts too) I suggest you throw that out the window. It's just gonna make things more complex.

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FA and CT are at the top of my scumdar due to legitimate play.

Gamma seems to be doing something I used to do all the time (major complex conspiracy theory)

My read of una is null.

If we don't start reading ppl based on play, town won't win. It'll just get more confusing.

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Dave hasn't done shit to game solve.

FA, CT.
Dave
Flavor
UNA
Gamma

That's my scummy to less scummy list.

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Damn. Una, not gamma. I got the avis mixed up. Sorry.

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When I came into this day, I still had lingering doubts about whether FA/Nonny/Tchill was the team. However, on day three they've all shaded me and argued I shouldn't have survived, which I think is the plan of the scumteam. Therefore; I'm more convinced than ever that is the team.
VOTE: Nonny

Bad reasoning. You believe the scum team has the audacity to all shade one person here? A person who's apparently town and lied about being a protective and lived? You realize how easy you'd be to mislynch from the scum teams perspective? You realize it's actually more likely that town would end up mislynching you without any help from the scum team because you lied about being a protective and survived multiple night phases?

SR'ing one person because of shade is reasonable. Believing you've figured out the whole team because of shade is a joke

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If I had 2 shots I'd shoot CT and Dave.

CT, what do you think of Dave?

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Well... FA is scummy has hell too. Either could be scum with Dave honestly.

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As for why I and Flavor Leaf didn't die last night, I think this is probably what happened. The scumteam knew Gamma was a watcher somehow and decided to kill him, probably afraid that he would see them going after one of the PR claims or because they wanted to kill a threatening PR while also incriminating the other claims. If they had a roleblocker, they surely blocked Flavor Leaf. That plan would prevent them from being caught by the watcher while also setting up a mislynch of one of the claims.

You think a rolecop just so happened to investigate gamma night 1?

You think scum have a rolecop and a role blocker? Seems unlikely to me.

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I'm going to reread the game today. Apologies for not staying on top of things.

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I have more issues with the fact ppl are OK with Dave just sliding by. I think he lurks as scum.

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I think he’s done much more than he normally does when he’s scum.

Hell, this is the most I’ve ever seen dave do.

Lol. I've seen him kill it as town

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Somebody say something I want to see takes on unas idea lol.

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Somebody say something I want to see takes on unas idea lol.

I know it would be silly to ask of you whether you agree with my scumread on you two, but I'll phrase it like this:

are you objectively able to see where I'm coming from?

You're paranoid as hell but yes I see why you'd think something like that. Has a little to do with conf bias and a lot to do with meta imo.

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I think the nonny/tchill scum team is the only one that makes any sense objectively if you're attacking me.

I think it's odd that I'm FA's only TR but it's also a breathe of fresh air lol.

I don't think una would throw his partner under the bus atm. Scums is doing pretty well. I highly doubt they'd begin to bus each other this day phase.

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Flavor if you're town you'll vote una with me.

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Probably scum.

Is there any reason nonny and UNA can't be scum together?

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Dave is still in the game right?

Who would agree with the fact there's at least one scum in

Dave, fa, nonny. What's stopping that from being the team?

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The feeling that Tchill is just grasping at any available mislynch is growing by the hour.

I'm really gonna have to get in here ain't I? Definitely not the most effort I've ever put into a game.

Let's see...

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I'm not.

UNA has aggressively tried to get me lynched today. Latched on to that suspicion immediately this day phase.

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CT's assumption that scum knew Gamma's role is horrible. We have no information suggesting that's the case, and it's a totally valid strategy to kill someone who is townread. FL carried some scum equity from the gamibt so if he's town I could see scum leaving him alive. I'm very much a possible ML target for lurking so scum have no reason to kill me. Lurkers in general are ML targets if they're town, so leave out Reundo and Nonny too. Once you start identifying kills that are potentially worse than Gamma, the more it seems unlikely that scum knew his role and more likely he was just a priority to NK because there are better mislynches available.

What would take more reading would be finding out

why

CT's making that assumption. The stated reasons don't make a lot of sense to me.

I do dig the idea of VT trying to draw a nk for a possible watcher / tracker. And claiming to attempt to avoid lynch is something that I can see fitting CT's apparent personality from the previous game. So if the even night doc -> VT claim is real it's likely to be town motivation. Not enough to conftown but likely.

I liked 546 and 548 from Una.

FA doesn't seem to be following through on anything.

I don't think Reundo answered the question in 475 but he's VLA so guess I'll probably be waiting on that.

Yes, it was 474. I had asked that question to find out if "other people" were the ones you had voted (Nonny, Wilky) or someone else. I probably glazed the block of text in the post that Tchill was replying to.
Do you still SR Tchill btw?
I too thought Flavor Leaf's reply was a little shallow but he's my strongest TR. But here's a followup on that topic, I'm curious whether you're taking FL's word for what I've been doing or if you actually know yourself.

The feeling that Tchill is just grasping at any available mislynch is growing by the hour.

Dave's last few post (the only ones with much in game reads not complaining about availability)

Throw shade at reundo and FA.

Seems to lean towards town clearing CT for his fake claim.

Pushes me and asks others to do so.

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Also shows positive town vibes towards una.

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If FA is scum. Kudos for the fake bread crumb. I'm not gonna let paranoia ruin this game for me. If he's scum he can be caught later but not this day phase. He has teammates.

FA is the first of a town lock for this day phase only for me.

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Reundo will also probably be town locked for this day phase. The glimpses of the game I have seen I've noticed he seemed to be trying to solve.

Any suspicion of a tchill/nonny team is valid. But putting me with anyone else is a tougher task imo.

I started a new job. It's my first game back in a bit.

Lord knows I can't find a good middle ground. I'm either checking the game every 30 minutes with several replies each time or I'm checking it once a day and barely posting. Anyways, I'll give this game it's due diligence.

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If FA is scum. Kudos for the fake bread crumb. I'm not gonna let paranoia ruin this game for me. If he's scum he can be caught later but not this day phase. He has teammates.

FA is the first of a town lock for this day phase only for me.

Lol, yet if I had bread crumb more you’d push it as scummy

I even said I looked at FA’s scum game a lot early during my time on site here.

DAMN IT I MEANT FL.

Boon. I'm talking about boon.

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FL aka boon and reundo are my town locks this day phase and I will NOT be voting them today.

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Wait, why am I a town read now and not being scum read by you?

You crumbed. You did a fake claim gambit.

If you did a fake claim gambit AND crumbed as scum on a separate fake claim. Well done.

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I gotta sort FA and nonny.

I feel pretty good about Dave and UNA scum. Which means probably one of them is actually scum.

CT I can't really decide.

But I'm definitely working with BOON and Reundo.

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Nonny has 23 damn post.

I don't see scum selling out other scum at this point in the game.

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I disagree. Una does have a record of reading me fairly well.

Why exactly do you TR them?

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Do you agree with my statement that scum have no reason to throw one another under the bus. If anything, scum should be empowered in their position to TR their teammates.

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That's my point nonny.

Between you and Dave, there's 50-70 game related post.

The records would show one of you is scum FOR SURE.

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Lol. That's that good good from boon haha.

I have no problems with agreeing on a Dave or nonny lynch.

FA is a lesser SR but I could lynch that too.

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Who are my scum mates CT?

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This is ridiculous. I'll be damned if someone who fake claimed an even night doctor AND NEVER GOT NK'D gets me lynched.

You've gotten a pass from others but that's scummy has hell man. You're just flinging shit at me to see if it'll stick at this point.

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This FA lynch is moving along too quickly imo.

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VOTE: completely trustworthy

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If you're town this game please tell me how CT is town. He survived as an even night doc for 2 night phases and then redacted The claim so he didn't have to explain how he stayed alive for even more night phases.

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VOTE: FA

OK.

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Not surprised at all.

Boon played well. I'm glad you crumbed.

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And before scum say it I'd like to point out.

There was a 2 shot mafia ninja RB. Which means that the ppl boon targeted could still be scum due to the minute chance he got RB'd when he visited someone. That being said, the odds of that are extremely low. And while we can't 100 percent town clear those ppl it's almost a 99 percent clear.

[Tchill13]

Well I don't trust you at all atm.

I definitely think you could be town. No trust though.

[Tchill13]

Yeah I'm practically cleared.

I'm 50/50 on CT

[Tchill13]

Well that's a red flag.

Also makes my decision a little easier. I want stuff to play out before I explain my position on CT.

Not only are you banking on the RB. You're telling me I'd play a scum mate going down the way I did with FA? I'm almost offended.

If you can't see why a scum team wouldn't rb an investigative claim then maybe you can explain how a PROTECTIVE CLAIM would survive a night phase. YOU WERE THE PROTECTIVE, WHICH MEANS SCUM WOULD HAVE A SURE FIRE KILL IF THEY SHOT YOU. SO WHY WEREN'T YOU KILLED? WHY DID YOU FEEL THE NEED TO BACK TRACK YOUR CLAIM?

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Actually, being undecided on a read would be more town motivated than scum motivated imho.

I want the other 3 players to post, this 1v1 is accomplishing nothing.

exactly. i need them to post before i can truly state my opinions of CT.

this isn't a 1v1. It's laughable imo.

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its a joke is what it is. The fact he actually laid his vote down this early is what set me off.

[Tchill13]

@Dave - protect me again tonight. It assures I live bar them roleblockig you and then killing me. But I’m not sure if there is a direct RB out there, and if he is, he’s probably gated in someway.

@Unah - Join my mind and think outside the box.

dave i need your first response to be what your night action was last night.

if you protected FL, then una is scum.

If you didn't, then una can still be town. THE ISSUE WITH THIS, is that Flavor crumbed which means if scum chose to outright NK flavor that means they would be validating his crumbs. In this scenario that means that scum would be banking on the fact that since the 2 shot RB is the first scum to flip, they could use potential WIFOM of that to discredit FL's crumbs. Then obviously they'd push me...

loking at you CT.

[Tchill13]

I was actually mainly SR'ing Boon because he kept TR'ing me and i've played poorly this game lol. Makes sense now.

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Dave is still in the game right?

Who would agree with the fact there's at least one scum in

Dave, fa, nonny. What's stopping that from being the team?

oh my... CT. Take your damn vote off me. I have no reason to strongly believe you're town. You know that to be true. I looked over your "explanations for surviving. all 3 require low possibility instances. I haven't outright called you scum. Stop being dense. im guessing the team is FA/Una and (????) i have an idea but not telling anyone who yet.

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i never specifically called CT scum. i'd rather not take a stance on that until all players have posted.

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vote count 1.12

nonny

(1) : Reundo

profii

(2) : TiphaineDeath, Completly Trustworthy

FA_Q2

(0) :

UnaBombaH

(0) :

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(1) : FA_Q2

Gamma Emerald

(0) :

TiphaineDeath

(7) : Gamma Emerald, Carcalilly, profii, wilky, davesaz, Tchill13, Flavor Leaf

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Carcalilly

(0) :

Tchill13

(0) :

wilky

(0) :

not voting:

UnaBombaH, nonny

with 13 duckies alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

day one will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-02 09:00:00)

mod notes:
- nonny v/la until 1st of October
- davesaz v/la until 1st of October
- quack

gamma, carcalilly, profii, wilky and FL are all conftown.

FL crumbed his night action of me. I'm not exactly conftown. The only 2 players that could be scum on this wagon are Dave and myself. Based purely on FL's crumb. It's more likely Dave is scum here than I from other players perspectives.

[Tchill13]

I want someone to check this, I just iso'ed FA, I don't believe he even talked to nonny this whole game.

[Tchill13]

vote count 2.11

nonny

(0) :

FA_Q2

(1) : Gamma Emerald,

UnaBombaH

(0):

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(0) :

Gamma Emerald

(0) :

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Carcalilly

(6) : FA_Q2, wilky, Tchill13, davesaz, Completly Trustworthy, Flavor Leaf, UnaBombaH

Tchill13

(0) :

wilky

(1) : Reundo

not voting:

nonny, Carcalilly

with 11 duckies alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

day two will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-09 09:00:00)

mod notes:
- wilky v/la until 8/10/2018
- quack

FA, myself, CT and una haven't been confirmed.

Now i would expect at least 2 scum on THIS wagon in particular due to the fact scum knows it's TWO kills for scum since Carca is vengeful and they know beforehand if that venge kill will hit their buddy or not.

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vote count 3.07

nonny

(1) : Reundo,

FA_Q2

(5) : Flavor Leaf, Completly Trustworthy, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, nonny

UnaBombaH

(0):

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(2) : FA_Q2,

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Tchill13

(0) :

not voting:

davesaz,

with 8 duckies alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

day three will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-18 13:30:00)

mod notes:
- quack

and the only thing that really stands out to me from this one is that nonny was only on the scum lynch...

AND THAT REUNDO WAS NEVER ON A LYNCH. those are important imo.

[Tchill13]

ok the game is screaming FA/Una/Reundo atm. Based on what i just did and Reundo's iso.

CT i hate you for lying about being a protective as town. (jk of course)

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I would want either Nonny or FA to be killed if Carca were lynched.

this is pretty damn compelling. yeah im gonna give you some pillows, hell i'll tuck you into bed, make sure you're comfy and i'll even lock the door omw out.

cus you're town. Lock town. 2 me at least.

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Can’t see scum!CT not just faking a Target but don’t see why a VT would fake claim except to save their own ass. It wasn’t to draw the night kill like he says when there were already claimed tracker/investigative role. A doc wouldnt be a huge threat.

Flavor you confuse me in nearly every post. You said just last page Tchill is lockdown barring RB but now he might be scum because he SR you for not being legendary scum hunter this game?

CT: so you essentially find all my posts scummy but not enough for a vote and only on the conditional of FA being scum?

CT you accuse me of misrepping while linking a post that doesn’t say what you are implying it says, you say I’m the one that pointed out the weirdness of you and FA being alive. That was posted by someone else after me, at work currently and can’t pull quote. I pointed out your narrisstic gambit and how it’s antitown. There is still time to solve and I want a reread prior to voting, but if I had to vote now it would be on you, not omgus but know it’ll look that way.

Tchill said it well, why would 3 scum narrow in on you? Why did you explain your gambit with now real pressure? You’re timing is odd and stands out:

Bad timing but I will be modified v/la this weekend, mobile only going out of town to ride roller coasters.

Also, I didn't like the fact that Nonny said their vote wouldn't look like OMGUS. If she had voted right then, would anyone have thought of that as an OMGUS vote? That and their insistence in 499 that they weren't using ATE seem to me like her being overly self-conscious about what others think of her.

I said it would look like omgus but wasn’t coming from that place. I am self conscious as a person and it leaks into all of my games, look at any of the newbie game I’ve played since July, not purposeful but just real life character flaw the leaches into my game play.

Dave’s post re:CT gambit claim I can see and better explains CT’s possible intention but still not sure I like the whole scenario.

FL can you say more on your Dave read?

Nonny has 23 damn post.

I don't see scum selling out other scum at this point in the game.

Didn't realize it was that low
Curious, how many of dave's 40 posts are "sorry I'm too busy", slightly throwing shade but also curious.

What do you mean by the last sentence?

Working on my promised re-read now will post within next hour.

Everyone else is fuzzy and I need to sort.

It's only dave and

nonny

not listed in this post...and I think you might townread nonny, or..? So, uh...not much fuzzy to clear then, eh?

Was mobile and couldn't go look at playerlist and honestly keep forgetting how many players are still around. Gave memory reads off the people I could remember. Also, think it's stupid to include yourself in any reads list.

Scumlean on flavor and reundo, and SR on

CT

.

This is rather surprising to me, as I'd guess there's likely no need to list at least both scumbuddies into scumreads at this point?
Meaning at least reundo wouldn't perhaps ever be scum with nonny then? (unless CT somehow read their role-PM wrong? )
Also want to point out, that I got the feeling of "need" to put a separate "SR on CT" after the two scum"leans".

Scumlean and scumread are different standings in my book. I don't do reads on a black and white scale (town/scum scale), I do reads on a spectrum with deviations away from null. *shrug*

Dave and CT are most likely scum, can't pinpoint the 3rd but at this stage we just need one red flip.
tchill is closer to null than town than prior.
FA is still town, his posts tend to align with what I see and I can only trust myself right now.
FL and Una are hard for me to sort and cross back and forth over the null line a lot.
Reundo moved up to TR.

VOTE: Daveaz

Shit, that was a very good page. Don’t wholly disagree with anything when laid out that way. I’m still more confidant in Dave though so will keep vote there for now.

UNVOTE:

mod can we have vote count

Want to iso FA to review my read in conjunction with what you all are saying. If I had to vote now I still see CT as more scummy then FA

VOTE: FA I hope my read is wrong which is very possible. Def want CT addressed tomorrow. Don’t see another wagon happening before deadline. And if FA had a claim it would have happened in his last post.

Who would be partner for scum!cr Tchill?

please read this post

First of all other than catch up posts most of nonny's iso is responses and fluff. No general game solving Like CT's iso.

i'm seeing consistent pushes towards CT and Dave from nonny. The MAJOR red flag is that nonny speaks of being self aware of the fact nonny is self aware. Said it bleeds into his games. Well, nonny uses a statement i made to push CT "Tchill says it well why would 3 scum...". Then i comment on nonny's post count and nonny immediately deflects towards dave's post count using my own argument (of low post count). Nonny then states Dave and CT are most likely scum (before this day phase) magically, both are still alive this day phase. Which is important because scum needs to pretend like they have a team figured out to achieve a ML at this point. Then nonny asks ME to make a case for CT's partner. This is very important because Nonny is self aware. Which means nonny knows It'd be easy to avoid blame by saying "this is Tchill's reasoning and Tchill was wrong, not me".

Nonny goes out of their way to show confusion on Boon's statement as to why Boon thinks im town, its a quoted post. Then after Boon's MaGnIfIcAnT page... nonny says good point but Nonny still doesn't like dave...

After all that go back and look at the way nonny votes FA. Is that convincing to anyone? With the game no scum lynches yet and from someone who's been pushing 2 players pretty steadily they switch over to FA like that?

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Not gonna lie, I’m pretty pissed about that night kill.

But it makes sense.

Which is why this next part is gonna be fun.

I’m an odd night watcher. 2 people targeted Profii last night.

I am disappoint. Very disappointed.

You don’t have to say names but do you know which two?

This could be scum trying to check whether it's safe to lie or not.

FA doesn't seem to be following through on anything.

The feeling that Tchill is just grasping at any available mislynch is growing by the hour.

ok so these are posts that i like from dave. seems decent given the current game state. His statement about me was very true at the time from his perspective.

Only issue i have with dave's iso, @Dave why didn't you immediately argue against CT's claim?

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Reundo threw shade at me that whole post then voted someone else lol.

So what do you actually think about it?

Dave helping shade Tchill with Reundo

lmao... Man oh man do i love me a confirmed Town Boon to go back and look at.

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Conclusion:
I’m pretty certain that the scum team is FA, Dave, and Reundo. Full stop.

damn. I've probably read like 15 of this 32 page game post. How impressive was boon this game? That's good stuff man.

So it looks to me like Dave and Reundo MUST push a CT, Nonny, (una or tchill) team. Because una has pushed the hell out of me and I've pushed back a decent amount.

so i guess we will see what they do.

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damn it idk. Una can still be scum here.

CT can't. CT is town.

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This is ridiculous. I'll be damned if someone who fake claimed an even night doctor AND NEVER GOT NK'D gets me lynched.

You've gotten a pass from others but that's scummy has hell man. You're just flinging shit at me to see if it'll stick at this point.

I actually fully agree with you on this.
No matter what FA flips, if I ever wake up to a D4 I'm still going after CT.
I'm willing to give my life into Boons hands for today, but I'm a bit worried he has given a pass to some players too soon..

One of Chill/CT is scum, I can still feel it in my bones.

shit, this is actually the post i was looking for, and referring to as to why una can still be scum. Because that sets up a mislych if una is scum.

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Wait, a Doc?
Why did I get the feeling Boon would've been blocked?
Also @dave - why didn't you counterclaim/push CT after their Doc-claim?~

una asking this question is good for my mental health.

back to Town!una now lol.

[Tchill13]

I'm fairly sure Tchill will flip scum at this point since only three people from the Tiphiane wagon have not flipped town; Flavor, Tchill, and Davesaz. Two of those there have claims that make sense within the setup and have breadcrumbs to support their claims. Given all the evidence all the reasons I've hard to suspect Tchill, I'm 99% certain he'll scum.
VOTE: Tchill13

NOW i understand where it's coming from. At least it makes sense (stumbling upon this after i've already decided you're town)

[Tchill13]

This being said, dave also made sure to state that Tchill would stay available as a mislynch option.

This gives us TownCT, TownUnah, TownTchill, TownLeaf (I like to think I’m blatantly town, which is why Nonny is kinda of scummy, but i think Nonny is mislynch bait.)

I think it’s FA, Dave, Reundo.

Shit, that was a very good page. Don’t wholly disagree with anything when laid out that way. I’m still more confidant in Dave though so will keep vote there for now.

Which also explains this post. Picks the townie of the three that i proposed.

Yeah, that fits nicely.

Nonny, Reundo, FA.

I’m going FA first.

i'm stuck between dave and nonny.

But im fine with reundo being lynched today, at this moment actually.

[Tchill13]

dave was on the 2 town mislynches but wasn't on the scum lynch.

nonny has consistently pushed dave before it even came down to them 2 alone.

Dave didn't vote Fa

Nonny's vote onto Fa was not believeable at all. Didn't even speak to FA the whole game.

CT and Una are locked town though... *Gulp* I just swallowed the key.

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ok the game is screaming FA/Una/Reundo atm. Based on what i just did and Reundo's iso.

CT i hate you for lying about being a protective as town. (jk of course)

I'll have time post later today, but one thing I want to ABSOLUTELY make sure before I go to work - there's 0% chance Boon visited me last night (and to add 0% chance I'm scum here).

And this team Chill is forming in his post is ridiculous.
Boon didn't crumb visiting me, he crumbed TO ME who he was going to visit.
Reundo is likely scum though.

READ ALL OF MY POSTS FIRST lol.

I figured that out and stared at it for a minute but couldn't figure out yall's code.

just help me decide between dave and nonny and i'll love you forever. Reundo is scum.

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This is Dave making sure he interacts with both FA and Reundo, in a rather NAI, pointless kind of way, to be honest.

Spoiler:

I don't think it should be her choice.

Why?

If she really is town vengeful then why give scum the opening to try and control the shot? What scenario do you think it is better that a revenge shot completely controlled by town should be not be so?

This is a good point, but I have a question about it -- do you think there is scum you think is trying to direct the shot? Or is this just a general principle you're talking about?

Reundo threw shade at me that whole post then voted someone else lol.

What's your point here? Is voting you a requirement for "throwing shade at you"? I can point out things I don't like from players without automatically placing them as my #1 pick for scum. There's other players I'd much rather see lynched today that are also much more likely to actually be lynched today.

Yes but do you have an actual reason for your vote? More to the point, you say other players but it's not clear who they are.

Now, here, he labels both Reundo and FA as scum, right? Looking at previous posts, you couldn’t ever think that.
HOWEVER, when he goes and votes Carca, he says the venge candidates should be Nonny and Wilky. The two people already being brought up that aren’t FA/Reundo.

Spoiler:

Going mostly from memory because I didn't get time to do that deep re-read, and most of this is low quality unless stated otherwise.

nonny - lurker
FA_Q2 - weak scum
Unabombah - saw a couple things I thought probably came from town
davesaz - role pm says town
Completly Trustworthy - Doesn't seem to be stretching for scumreads quite as much as the last game we played together, probably town
TheHolySpirit - I copied and pasted the list from the OP and when I got to this one I went WTF? Is this player even in the game? replace by someone? I don't want to open another tab so I'll figure out where the issue was later.
Reundo - lurker and scummy
Flavor Leaf - town for the gambit
Carcalilly - vengeful claim, don't have an independent read on the slot
Tchill13 - isn't doing the normal leaping about and jumping to conclusions that I normally scumread him for when he's town. I see the post explaining that. I think I'll wait for some replies to decide
wilky - dunno, scum side of null I think

Somethings's wrong with my list because too many of the possible scum are lurkers.

A very "aware" notion imo.. while good, I havent seen anything like this from you ever before, so feels a bit weird though?

But I'll try to turn this into a question now -

in this specific game, don't you think we could actually, for once, have a full lurkerteam of scum?

I have my own thoughts on this, and will share them in full if dave first gives his in-depth answer..

I think I question my own reads often, if that’s what you’re talking about in the first part.

It’s seeming more likely that at least 2 scum are lurking. We don’t see anywhere near as much agenda pushing as normal imo. No time for a wagon switch, my candidates for venge if it’s real would be nonny and wilky I think.

VOTE: carcalilly

Work day don’t know if I’ll be back before eod.

i honestly felt like this post had dave dead to rights but there's reason to believe nonny is scum here, not dave.

[Tchill13]

but CT literally said Fa should be vengekilled. Was there an actual reason for that? Was he not the first to mention that?

And if you'll look at his iso CT was trying to sort at least.

[Tchill13]

also why the hell would you fake claim something you already believe to be in the game?

[Tchill13]

i don't understand why CT isn't town?

He pushed FA hard for vengekill. Being the 3rd person to do that. Instead of trying to destroy it he turned it into a real thing. He has sorted this whole game. His thought process has made sense and seems.

The only reason i wanted to "control" the shot was to see who would jump at the chance and who would hesitate. then i said hesitate=scum. Mainly because i knew scum would be aware of future connections there answer could make so i figured scum would choose to avoid doing that.

Fa hesitated. Dave didn't exactly jump at the chance either.

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ok i see what you're talking about una... damn it lol.

well una is lock town and boons word is gold. So thats how this day is gonna work for me.

Una's pretty much gonna get an extra vote as long as i agree with him and the explanation makes sense to me.

[Tchill13]

Oh I'm scum because you think boon might have revisited me... I can see how you got there.

Look una, I'm not gonna vote myself with you lol. That said I do believe in your ability to see that I'm not scum. I've played like garbage due to half assing this game. I'm just saying that if I'm scum I'm scum with FA. Does my last day look like how I'd handle a scum mate going down?

[Tchill13]

Alright so an explanation of last night.

I think scum here, any scum team here, would have killed Dave. It's a sure fire kill correct? Not only that but if scum were to purposely kill boon it validates his night action. So all this said I think it points to the fact that Dave IS scum and that scum were banking on WIFOM due to the scum role blocker so they wouldn't validate boons night actions.

Obviously scum would want boon gone due to the fact he really started game solving.

In a scenario where Dave is town and a loud doc, I don't think he would have protected boon. Boon dying if Dave is town is more likely due to being the NK than visiting scum due to the fact that there's been only one death.

So una if you can figure out who he visited, I believe that they are town.

The odds of scum trying to kill flavor after a protective claimed to protect him (if scum know the protective claim to be true) is just way too low. That'd be stupid. The fact that Dave wasn't NK'd means he's probably scum here.

[Tchill13]

The only way that breakdown is wrong is if scum didn't NK. Which I highly doubt due to just losing their 2 shot ninja RB.

[Tchill13]

Una

I believe your read of me is filled with a decent amount of conf bias due to past games.

You usually don't read me wrong and since you've dug into the fact that I'm probably scum, you're gonna do your damndest to keep it that way, which I understand from your pov.

My issue with this is that I'm much more active as scum, I'm flat out better as scum, my ability to interact with my scum mates is much better than the interactions I've made with FA and you're beginning to tunnel this idea that I'm scum.

I need you to interact with me real time at least once before this day phase ends.

[Tchill13]

And if you're scum here.

Killing Dave also means the possibility that boon visits scum and kills himself. So that's a possibility of killing 2 townies in one night phase.

So I'm stuck on Dave not dying. That doesn't make any sense unless Dave is scum. If Dave is scum that means the scum team is gonna push the idea that boon DID visit scum and Dave protected boon and scum shot boon anyways. Which is hard to believe.

Dave not dying means boon probably was NK'd by a team that includes Dave.

[Tchill13]

Dave was on the 2 mislynches but not the scum lynch.

I'm 95 percent sure my first and only game against scum!Dave WA one where he didn't post much. Idc about explanations why the posting is what it is.

So I'm actually most confident with a Dave lynch atm. Boon had a quoted post of Dave that pretty much had him dead to rights.

On top of boons first suspicions and the way that last night phase played out.... Dave is scum.

[Tchill13]

With Dave being scum, I can actually town clear nonny now. I do not believe they're scum together.

This means that nonny and UNA are town for me. Dave is scum. CT and reundo are null.

[Tchill13]

Remember to explain the night phase in your first post going forward.

[Tchill13]

What do you think happened this past weekend night phase. After that I'll discuss with you.

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As for not mentioning FA. I played a game with wilky not too long ago where he lurked as scum.

The only point for controlling carca's shot was for ppl to take stances on the subject. Then to see who was mentioned. Obviously I wasn't too self aware, I was more focused on other's answeres than my own in particular.

[Tchill13]

For me not to vote Dave.

Someone will have to explain why scum would try and shoot flavor even though a protective said he would block them. That's the only way Dave can be town here. Which would mean that either Dave didn't protect flavor or that flavor did visit scum.

Both scenarios are highly unlikely imo due to the fact that play is not in Scums best interest.

There's obviously a scenario where Dave is scum and claims that he did protect boon but boon visited scum. The issue with this is boons last crumb. Boon WOULD NOT be so transparent with his last night action knowing he'll probably die that night phase. So obviously scum would push Scum!una here, which won't work now. At least for me.

Scum should have killed Dave last night. It makes the most sense. Not only is it a sure fire kill, but you have the possibility of 2 townies dying due to boon visiting scum. The only reason scum don't shoot Dave here is that if Dave is scum. Then they would try to do the above scenario.

The only issue with scum Dave I can think of is that we had 2 players fake claim protective this game. Both of which wouldn't be true.

[Tchill13]

Novice vig, consecutive night watcher, weak visitor...

Should that get a protective also?

Because if Dave is scum he's probably a loud Rolecop.

[Tchill13]

Because if Dave is scum he's probably a loud Rolecop.

Then tell me two things - who else has dave targeted? No one has claimed a loud visit before Boon did.
Are you saying a scum!rolecop holstered N1? For what reason? It still wouldn't explain how scum found out Gamma was a PR.

Then this should be simple. If Dave targeted you last night please claim that he did.

If nobody claims they were targeted. That means Dave targeted boon... Which means scum shot boon and boon only died because he visited someone.

And if you're asking me to believe that scum shot boon instead of shooting Dave. I'm not gonna believe that. Plain and simple. That's not in Scums best interest.

And if you're still hung up on me being scum. That means you think the RB just so happened to hit boon on the same night boon visited me. Then boon visited me again last night phase and scum just so happened to either holster their shot or to shoot boon anyways.

[Tchill13]

Look. You're asking me to believe this is the most competent scum team I've ever played against if you want me to think they didn't try to kill someone last night. I'm not going to believe that.

Dave is scum. Scum killed boon. Boon visited a townie. I'd bet all my mafia experience that that's what you're gonna see post game.

[Tchill13]

You're making this too complicated.

If scum no killed they deserve to win. Bravo. End of story.

They didn't no kill. They killed boon. Dave is scum. Nonny is town.

Fa/dave/reundo. Boon already pointed this out.

[Tchill13]

Scum on this site are atrocious. I hardly see scum thinking through multiple day phases here. So you're asking me to think scum thought THOSE scenarios out? Lol. Good joke.

[Tchill13]

The only reason there's no town block is because you're using a sliver of a possibility to believe I'm scum because you usually read me correctly. I understood I've given you reason to SR me but this game is more aligned with me not caring than me being scum. So stop with the conf bias.

[Tchill13]

This is actually pissing me off.

Dave isn't stupid enough to not protect boon in that scenario.

It's in boons best interest to clear someone he believes is town versus someone he believes is scum. So for him to visit someone he believes is scum is almost a non-existent possibility imo.

This means scum more than likely killed him.

This means Dave isn't town. Because if Dave was town he would be the correct kill. If Dave wasn't killed it's means boon shouldn't be killed.

This means Dave is scum.

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And in what world do you not immediately CC a false protective claim if you actually are the protective? Dave didn't want any attention. That's why because he's not actually a doctor.

A doc for a scum is a win in towns book.

If Dave is scum, cc's. Then he knows he will get lynched after CT flips town. That's why Dave didn't say shit.

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If Dave is town here at the VERY LEAST he should have consistently, aggressively pushed CT if he didn't want to outright CC. I don't think Dave ever did that.

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You explain CT like you do half of town here on this sight.

Just competent enough to do dumb shit they think they're good enough to get away with. He put up FA for vengekill when he could have disagreed. That was FA still could have been saved at that point.

CT has consistently tried to solve. Setup spec has been decent. Maybe he's a good player. That fake claim lines up with "I'm good enough to do my own thing" which I've come to expect from any decent player here.

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Also: why didn't dave just protect Boon again, and kill someone else then?
I still do not see WHY kill Boon if dave is scum.

Why wouldn't you kill Dave? If literally any other player is a mislynch candidate? You get rid of a claimed PR. You hope boon kills himself. That's the correct play there.

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But didn't Boon agree dave is likely a doc before the night?

Boon got paranoid that if he was wrong town would blame him for the loss. That's understandable paranoia imo.

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Boon was like Sherlock that last day phase. There was no reason to see anyone else as a real threat. You kill boon. Every,damn, time if you're Dave and you're scum.

Look at all the mislynch candidates left after you kill boon. After you kill Dave? There good reason to kill both those "claimed prs" as scum. If they're both town that is.

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I swear if we don't lynch Dave and scum win I'm gonna lose MY DAMN MIND.

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CT is town and it's weird AF but that guy is town. Nonny is town because Dave is scum. Una is town because boon thought he was.

It's reundo and Dave.

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We have at least 2 ppl going into conspiracy theory mode atm. Yall enjoy that and call me back when you're being sensible.

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Without setup sprctis Dave scum CT?

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OK.

UNA, which players am I supposed to believe are so good as scum that they thought of the idea of not killing this night phase? And why should I believe they were good enough to come up with that?

Were on page 35. One of the shortest games I've ever seen here. Scum just want to lynch whatever they can.

Tell me that doesn't line up with Dave and reundos play?

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CT why have you been scummy as hell this entire game? How'd you know there was a role blocker?

Explain your day 3. Because una has to believe you're town and just straight up I don't blame him a bit for believing you're scum.

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I swear most of my games here are 80 plus. Probably has something to do with me. This is a short glimpse of what it looks like when I actually care.

I'm not one to talk to about setup spec I simply don't know.

What I do know is Dave shouldn't be alive atm it he was a town doc. Una won't be able to provide me with reason when it comes to believing there is a competent scum team and it's gonna be rough depending on CT being town to win this game.

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Yeah. If he's competent enough to know setup spec and guess one right, he thinks he's good enough to fake claim in towns best interest.

Doesn't that make sense to you una? I mean no spite. It's just a common thing here at MS where players tend to be more selfish than they should when they actually know a thing or two about how to play.

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Assuming Dave is a doctor.

Explain the night phase.

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So you believe there's a combination of a 2 shot RB ninja and another role blocker type or strongman for scum? It'd be much easier to balance the game by simply taking the doctor out instead of adding power to scum.

And IF YOU ARE GOING TO MENTION A NO KILL GAMBIT EXPLAIN TO ME WHO WOULD BE SMART ENOUGH TO DO THAT AND WHY I SHOULD BELIEVE YOU, sheesh.

Stop throwing that out there like it's a real possibility unless you have evidence. Because that's the least likely thing to happen put of all of this.

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Also. Is Dave the only player you have an issue with lynching?

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Why is nonny town? Why is una town? Because you seem to believe I'm scum..

Why is Dave town besides setup spec?

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so you're willing to bet this game on the fact boon could have gotten RB'd when he visited me? which was night 2 correct? which means it was like 1/10 boon chose me then like 1/6 the RB chose Boon? Do you know what the odds are that both happened at the same time? extremely low.

whats your case for nonny scum? your own case.

SOMETHING DID HAPPEN INDICATING HIS CLAIM WAS FALSE. HE'S STILL ALIVE.

explain why he's still alive as town AND STOP SAYING SCUM NO KILLED IF YOU REFUSE TO EXPLAIN WHO'S SMART ENOUGH TO DO THAT.

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I'd really like to see Reundo and Davesaz pos, only me, Una, and Tchill have really posted much content this day phase.

oh wow the last 2 scum aren't posting much wonder why.

it's because they're hoping me, you, nonny and una tear each other apart. Which won't happen from my end no matter what. I believe i can convince una and nonny to come around, as for you CT... i do not know.

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This is Dave making sure he interacts with both FA and Reundo, in a rather NAI, pointless kind of way, to be honest.

Spoiler:

I don't think it should be her choice.

Why?

If she really is town vengeful then why give scum the opening to try and control the shot? What scenario do you think it is better that a revenge shot completely controlled by town should be not be so?

This is a good point, but I have a question about it -- do you think there is scum you think is trying to direct the shot? Or is this just a general principle you're talking about?

Reundo threw shade at me that whole post then voted someone else lol.

What's your point here? Is voting you a requirement for "throwing shade at you"? I can point out things I don't like from players without automatically placing them as my #1 pick for scum. There's other players I'd much rather see lynched today that are also much more likely to actually be lynched today.

Yes but do you have an actual reason for your vote? More to the point, you say other players but it's not clear who they are.

Now, here, he labels both Reundo and FA as scum, right? Looking at previous posts, you couldn’t ever think that.
HOWEVER, when he goes and votes Carca, he says the venge candidates should be Nonny and Wilky. The two people already being brought up that aren’t FA/Reundo.

Spoiler:

Going mostly from memory because I didn't get time to do that deep re-read, and most of this is low quality unless stated otherwise.

nonny - lurker
FA_Q2 - weak scum
Unabombah - saw a couple things I thought probably came from town
davesaz - role pm says town
Completly Trustworthy - Doesn't seem to be stretching for scumreads quite as much as the last game we played together, probably town
TheHolySpirit - I copied and pasted the list from the OP and when I got to this one I went WTF? Is this player even in the game? replace by someone? I don't want to open another tab so I'll figure out where the issue was later.
Reundo - lurker and scummy
Flavor Leaf - town for the gambit
Carcalilly - vengeful claim, don't have an independent read on the slot
Tchill13 - isn't doing the normal leaping about and jumping to conclusions that I normally scumread him for when he's town. I see the post explaining that. I think I'll wait for some replies to decide
wilky - dunno, scum side of null I think

Somethings's wrong with my list because too many of the possible scum are lurkers.

A very "aware" notion imo.. while good, I havent seen anything like this from you ever before, so feels a bit weird though?

But I'll try to turn this into a question now -

in this specific game, don't you think we could actually, for once, have a full lurkerteam of scum?

I have my own thoughts on this, and will share them in full if dave first gives his in-depth answer..

I think I question my own reads often, if that’s what you’re talking about in the first part.

It’s seeming more likely that at least 2 scum are lurking. We don’t see anywhere near as much agenda pushing as normal imo. No time for a wagon switch, my candidates for venge if it’s real would be nonny and wilky I think.

VOTE: carcalilly

Work day don’t know if I’ll be back before eod.

this is the post of the game btw.

Also una this is why i believe boon's back track is due to paranoia. When you're calling out scum for "remembering to talk to there teammates." you're 100 percent sure that guy is scum.

and as we get closer to the end of the day boon says "dont pin this on me" Which is understandable.

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I have a question Tchill, can you explain what you think happened on night 2? Did the scumteam know about Gamma through a rolecop or was he killed purely for the sake of WIFOM to frame the PR claims?

You don't get to ask questions until you give answers. Stop side stepping.

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The role cop would have had to have hit gamma night 1. Which isn't impossible but they had an equal chance of hitting anybody else.

Idk what happened n2. To me what happened last night phase is much more important.

Boon can claim 3 times in one game as a VT. So as scum I wouldn't be worried about a boon claim.

Had YOU NOT FAKE CLAIMED this wouldn't be an issue at all in my book. So I appreciate you causing nothing but confusion.

Don't ask me to explain situations involving your selfish acts. That's not on me. That's your fault.

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If I was scum you would have been killed immediately. The only reason I can think of as to why they didn't do that is scum already decided Dave's fake claim would have been a loud doc. Had they killed the doc they would have had to find something dii.

Even then they could have held out until lylo then cc'd you.

That's my point though. If Dave really was a doctor and didn't want to outright CC you, don't you think he would have aggressively, consistently pushed you?

You're going to give him a pass for not CC'ing a fake claim when he could have had scum dead to rights?

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Not only have you fake claimed due to ego but now you refuse to change your mind.

CT has egotistical town written all over him una.

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Also, I claim even night doctor.

I've had my butt kicked this week by work and family obligations. It's lurking by the "not posting much" standard, but not by the "choosing to let the thread slip by as long as you can" standard. Don't make me break out the huge text that says I don't lie about RL stuff.

FL points out that I switched off Profii -- hardly surprising for someone who loathes lynching claimed PRs when there isn't anything suggesting it's fake.
Even night doc in a game with a novice vig? I'd call that one about 2/3 likely to be town but yeah scum is a possibility.
If there is a(nother) doc, especially modified like n-shot or odd night,

don't counter

. I was just in a game with an even/odd pair of the same role.
I think this is trying to solve the game Flavor Leaf. I believe I've seen scum FL fake that but I'm inclined to TR it with so many in the game who know him.
Kinda happy we don't have the gambit multiple times in one game FL. Or at least I hope we don't.
Gonna need to re-read stuff, I caught up quickly given the short deadline, now need to do it slowly.

Going mostly from memory because I didn't get time to do that deep re-read, and most of this is low quality unless stated otherwise.

nonny - lurker
FA_Q2 - weak scum
Unabombah - saw a couple things I thought probably came from town
davesaz - role pm says town
Completly Trustworthy - Doesn't seem to be stretching for scumreads quite as much as the last game we played together, probably town
TheHolySpirit - I copied and pasted the list from the OP and when I got to this one I went WTF? Is this player even in the game? replace by someone? I don't want to open another tab so I'll figure out where the issue was later.
Reundo - lurker and scummy
Flavor Leaf - town for the gambit
Carcalilly - vengeful claim, don't have an independent read on the slot
Tchill13 - isn't doing the normal leaping about and jumping to conclusions that I normally scumread him for when he's town. I see the post explaining that. I think I'll wait for some replies to decide
wilky - dunno, scum side of null I think

Somethings's wrong with my list because too many of the possible scum are lurkers.

A very "aware" notion imo.. while good, I havent seen anything like this from you ever before, so feels a bit weird though?

But I'll try to turn this into a question now -

in this specific game, don't you think we could actually, for once, have a full lurkerteam of scum?

I have my own thoughts on this, and will share them in full if dave first gives his in-depth answer..

I think I question my own reads often, if that’s what you’re talking about in the first part.

It’s seeming more likely that at least 2 scum are lurking. We don’t see anywhere near as much agenda pushing as normal imo. No time for a wagon switch, my candidates for venge if it’s real would be nonny and wilky I think.

VOTE: carcalilly

Work day don’t know if I’ll be back before eod.

vote count 2.11

nonny

(0) :

FA_Q2

(1) : Gamma Emerald,

UnaBombaH

(0):

davesaz

(0) :

Completly Trustworthy

(0) :

Gamma Emerald

(0) :

Reundo

(0) :

Flavor Leaf

(0) :

Carcalilly

(6) : FA_Q2, wilky, Tchill13, davesaz, Completly Trustworthy, Flavor Leaf, UnaBombaH

Tchill13

(0) :

wilky

(1) : Reundo

not voting:

nonny, Carcalilly

with 11 duckies alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

day two will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-10-09 09:00:00)

mod notes:
- wilky v/la until 8/10/2018
- quack

dave actually seems to hard TR CT when he claims doc.

Dave wants carca, wilky and nonny dead. He SR'd FA and Reundo but said wilky and nonny should be venged.

This is a scum claim imo. Someone has claimed a variant of your role. You TR them for it.. Then 2/3 ppl you choose to put up for death are conftown as of this moment.

let me check one more thing.

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I have a confession to make Unabombah. I'm a vanilla townie, not a PR. I'm admitting this now because I feel like its unlikely I'll be nightkilled soon and the chance of accidentally outing a PR is too high at this moment. Also, I feel like the scum may try to push me now due to my claim being uncomfirmable, so its better to come clean now rather than later. Around the time when my wagon was forming, I started to feel frustrated because so many people seemed to be suspicious of me and all of those on my wagon were trusted more than me. Also, I had seen Flavor's quickhammer earlier and had a game recently where every day phase ended with a quickhammer, so the risk of that was on my mind. I started to believe my lynch was almost impossible to avoid and thus tried to get attention off me so a member of the scumteam could hopefully get lynched instead and end up killed at night instead of an actual PR. I chose doctor to claim because I know actual doctors try to avoid claiming at all costs and figured there probably wasn't one in the game due to Profii dying N1 and three PR's being outed around that point (vengeful, vigilante, investigative). That meant there was likely only one, perhaps two PR's remaining. I figured that since strongman is uncommon to see in mini normal, that mean a doctor capable of acting N1 wasn't in this game. I've rarely seen even night or novice doctors, so I thought it was likely I wouldn't be cc'd if I said that or they would wait until later to try and get me lynched. My plan was either to get saved by another protective and then argue I was targeted or die off without my lie hurting anyone. Gamma's death threw a wrench in my plans because I didn't anticipate that at all. It was why I wanted to figure out what scum power roles there were, I wished to understand why they felt comfortable leaving two PR claims alive. I know all this may be hard to believe, but we have more than six days to talk, its best to make the most of it. In retrospect, this gambit was a bad idea, and I won't be trying anything like this again anytime soon.

CT's assumption that scum knew Gamma's role is horrible. We have no information suggesting that's the case, and it's a totally valid strategy to kill someone who is townread. FL carried some scum equity from the gamibt so if he's town I could see scum leaving him alive. I'm very much a possible ML target for lurking so scum have no reason to kill me. Lurkers in general are ML targets if they're town, so leave out Reundo and Nonny too. Once you start identifying kills that are potentially worse than Gamma, the more it seems unlikely that scum knew his role and more likely he was just a priority to NK because there are better mislynches available.

What would take more reading would be finding out

why

CT's making that assumption. The stated reasons don't make a lot of sense to me.

I do dig the idea of VT trying to draw a nk for a possible watcher / tracker. And claiming to attempt to avoid lynch is something that I can see fitting CT's apparent personality from the previous game. So if the even night doc -> VT claim is real it's likely to be town motivation. Not enough to conftown but likely.

I don't really understand how FA is forming their reads. For instance, they initially said I was null in 462. Then they said that it was suspicious that I was still alive in 577. However, explanations were eventually offered for that.

There was a lot more than just you staying alive that was at issue. Your claim, retracting it and most of your 'reasons' you gave around all this are scummy.

Now I don't get why they are so confident that I am scum and not null. Also, their read of Una is confusing. They claimed they didn't like 498, but I don't really see anything scummy in that and Una addressed it. Also, they said it was scummy that I wasn't being pushed on surviving the night(even thought I think I was), then claimed one of the people pushing me was a teammate. Basically, they claimed that the scum were simultaneously distancing themselves from me and trying to keep the attention off me, it just doesn't make much sense.

That post screams scummy to me. There is no real town reason to do it. it is just to out of place. Una's recent posts have thrown me a bit though.[/quote]

FA doesn't seem to be following through on anything.

FA doesn't seem to be following through on anything.

Like?

Dave.....


I mean, it is awfully ironic that your shade on me was not following through and here you are, not following through.

VOTE: Completly Trustworthy

so dave begins to TR CT EVEN MORE after CT admits he lied lmao.... gotta love rewarding toxic habits. Anybody think Dave pocketed CT this whole game?

the thing i noticed is FA talks to Dave and CT in his last few posts. i doubt scum would be brazen enough to distance from BOTH of their partners before flipping.

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either way its evident that dave was determined to TR CT regardless of what he did. Take that for what you will.

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CT's assumption that scum knew Gamma's role is horrible. We have no information suggesting that's the case, and it's a totally valid strategy to kill someone who is townread. FL carried some scum equity from the gamibt so if he's town I could see scum leaving him alive. I'm very much a possible ML target for lurking so scum have no reason to kill me. Lurkers in general are ML targets if they're town, so leave out Reundo and Nonny too. Once you start identifying kills that are potentially worse than Gamma, the more it seems unlikely that scum knew his role and more likely he was just a priority to NK because there are better mislynches available.

What would take more reading would be finding out

why

CT's making that assumption. The stated reasons don't make a lot of sense to me.

I do dig the idea of VT trying to draw a nk for a possible watcher / tracker. And claiming to attempt to avoid lynch is something that I can see fitting CT's apparent personality from the previous game. So if the even night doc -> VT claim is real it's likely to be town motivation. Not enough to conftown but likely.

umm thats an explanation of the NK right there. Plus he argues the existence of a role cop, which boon and i believe Dave might be, Dave calls himself Mislynchable ALONG WITH REUNDO and nonny.

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So I should cast my vote thinking that scum either targeted flavor pt they just didn't kill correct?

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I'm not even questioning the existence of 2 doc claims (which is incredibly stupid imo)

But all you explained is your lack of push. You never explained why you TR'd for the fake claim, then TR'd for the retraction.

You don't explain why I should believe that scum are incredibly stupid or incredibly smart here.

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Nonny please take some stances of your own. Geez.

Dave, I've already brought up the fact CT retracting his fake claim was problematic. You seemed to town clear him at the moment.

Now you're gonna walk that back and SR him because you have to if you want to win the game as scum.

Dave is scum ppl. Don't make this more difficult than it has to be. There is no manipulation going on. Nobody protected flavor. Flavor was simply shot by scum. It's not hard ppl.

You, your mother, and your mother's mother can blame me if town loses here because Dave is town.

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What's more likely out of the 3

Scum shot boon when Dave said he was gonna protect him anyway.

Scum didn't shoot anyone in an attempt to create wifom.

The claimed doctor is actually scum, which means boon wasn't protected and that scum shot him. Since boon had already claimed weak visitor scum knew they would be able to hide behind "I protected boon but boon visited scum"

Whats the most likely scenario people?

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Yall better not do anything tonight until I get home.

If.you bozos don't lynch Dave here you'll never hear the end of it from me.

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I just rage typed a paragraph at una but that's not gonna get anything done.

I'm not asking you to say certain scenarios don't exist. I'm asking you to wonder which scenario is most likely una.

Do you really think Dave is town after, only voting the mislynches, no CC'ing the doc claim, not dying last night even though boon died...

[Tchill13]

Towns gonna lose because of unas ego and the fact he thinks he'll never read me wrong.