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either eragon is scum and both irrelephant and nauci will get it right because they're smart players who can parse this out correctly after 100 pages of content
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it's irrelephant and so reading eragon as scum will be tough cause eragon is not scum
but if it's irrelephant he already won cause I agree with nauci and eragon that he is the clearest player left
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so you guys do the reading, I'll sit back and enjoy not having to do that
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So you both lock town Irrelephant11? Why?In post 2477, Toranaga wrote:so you guys do the reading, I'll sit back and enjoy not having to do that
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you're asking me a question I already answeredIn post 2480, Nauci wrote:
So you both lock town Irrelephant11? Why?In post 2477, Toranaga wrote:so you guys do the reading, I'll sit back and enjoy not having to do that
I townread irrelephant the entire game. I townread everything he posts. he is not even sometimes NAI, he is straight up towny. if he is scum then fuck me, right? but it's the same as keyser soze. there's nothing scummy in irrelephant and he oozes town in several spots. his behaviour this gameday was towny, fairly suspicious and reasonable. also showing effort and will to understand what's going on, unlike eragon.
I was checking some of the vcs yesterday and he voted dunnstral a lot. votes dunn, then moves to other people, then back to dunn etc. on d1 he is interacting so much with volxen and is the one having the best ideas about it and treating volxen in the most fair way possible while maintaining he should be the lynch, while also tinfoiling reasonably about volxen being bussed while not voting volxen himself and trying to get a grasp of his head before the gameday ends. I'm townreading the slot for that D1 EOD. that's ~never a wolf, and if irrel is a wolf he is about the most talented thing I ever played against and I'm just not gonna bother, cause that d1 EOD is pure as fuck and nothing will change my head. what does he do d2 then? he starts the gameday making the associative reads, both wrong, on volxen having overexplained null reads, which is nuanced and towny and shows he is putting real effort into solving. and then... IDK. all his stances are coming from overtly towny perspective and feels hard to fake.- Toranaga
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The shame is real.
Tbh I completely forgot about MS for like 2 days b/c school/had a golf tournament yesterday, and I didn’t remembr it until I got the Email :/
I have another tournament today but I should be able to post after I get back home
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I was the last one posting content which is why I didn't post any content
don't replace me lmao- Irrelephant11
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ugh I didn't give up, it's not on me to convince anyone of anything though
you have 100 pages of content to parse through if you're town, why do you need me saying anything?- Toranaga
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I don't like this line of questioning btw. would scum me "give up" after getting so far? is anyone else not currently apathetic?- Irrelephant11
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Eh I don't have the energy to keep it up and a quick skim of your meta says town!you does indeed act this way (though maybe not in lylo? idk)
I was trying a new thing where I look at what the nightkilled players are good at and try to do it
Ausuka and nsg were good at 1v1'ing
But I really don't have the energy rn- Irrelephant11
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In post 2496, Irrelephant11 wrote:
@Nauci quote and add things until we have all the puzzle pieces filled in- Toranaga
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ugh lemme do some work
I guess analyzing spew can be a start- Toranaga
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dunnstral:
1) interaction with NSG about kop/eragon:Spoiler:
some things are standing out here:
- dunn does not react to NSG's scumread and vote on him, and chooses soft defending kop instead.
- the soft defense on Kop is not a townread on him, and dunn shows in #173 he doesn't know how kop plays and has no real reason to be jumping on nsg, other than to distract her from her own dunn scumread.
- dunn assumes NSG is scumreading Kop when she is not doing that.
this is one of those interactions that are incredibly AI and if I was any good at mafia I'd be able to tell exactly what's dunn's relationship with Kop in these posts, but I'm not so I don't know if I'm interepreting this correctly.
I think the most obvious one that points to SvS is dunn assuming NSG is scumreading Kop. Coming from the position of someone who was just voted by NSG, and then reads her talk about someone else in the very next post, I believe Dunn is more likely to jump to the conclusion that it's a scumread, if that other person also happens to be scum. As in, a little bit of TMI, a little bit of defensiveness.
If Kop is town, would dunn act like this? I feel like dunn is more likely to adress the scumread on himself if Kop isn't a slot he is aligned with. I think it's more likely he'd simply respond to the post of NSG voting him before he'd even bother thinking about her post on Kop.
2) that "eragon is scum" tinfoil post:
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it's been pretty hard for me to look at this post and not see it as spewing eragon town, because why in his right mind would eragon literally point at his partner that just arrived, and then his other scum partner, and "tinfoil" that they're scum together cause they greeted each other? I mean it's weird as it is that he did it pointing at volxen.
but then... why would he say that shit as scum vs town!eragon anyway? did he think to tie eragon to volxen just so they could lynch eragon after volxen died? and if that's the case, why did he not bring up this read on d2?
so the more I read into it, the more I think... it could just be smart distancing and trying to appear towny with "tinfoils".
3) scum is in here
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there are interesting things in dunn's d2 that point to me being town a lot, but that's not my job to tell you. but a note for myself that he did not make a 4 player list without scum in it.
eragon's placement is more likely scum stylistically, just cause you're more likely to hide than to show as first name the one person that's your scum partner. unless you're running a bus job which by the looks of dunn's ISO, he is not.
and yeah, he rolls over and votes eragon while not trying to case him or anything. no effort to try and flip eragon here which points heavily as SvS and is interestingly not a thing anyone noticed before about dunn. he did not fight his lynch at all. he voted eragon and peaced off. - Toranaga
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